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Sunday, October 28, 2007

WE HATE THE FUCKING BNP!


We, here at the Infidel Bloggers Alliance, hate the BNP. This is an international blog. We have contributors from around the world. I don't know the races of our contributors, but given their countries of origin, I take it that (shh, don't tell anyone) not all of them are white.

Oh no, what are we gonna do?

Anyway, because we hate the fucking racist BNP, and because we've had trouble with them in the past, and because I just want to make it clear how much we hate the fucking racistBNP, I think I will post LGF's entire anti-BNP post here:


BNP Leader Invited to MSU by 'Conservative' Students

Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 4:15:20 pm PDT

In the boneheaded move of the year, conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom invited British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin, a flat-out racist and Holocaust denier, to speak about the dangers of Islam at Michigan State University: Protesters shout down anti-Islam speaker at MSU.

It’s not clear from the article whether this was part of Islamofascism Awareness Week or not, but if it was, the Young Americans for Freedom have just handed the enemy a huge gift on a platter, tied up with a lovely white supremacist bow.


EAST LANSING - When British Nationalist Nick Griffin took the podium at a
Friday night Michigan State University event, he tried to explain how Islam is a
threat to Western civilization.

Protesters wouldn’t have it.

Hurling obscenities and using chants to interrupt his address,
rambunctious student organizations forced Griffin to abandon his speech and
allow an informal question and answer session.

What followed was an unstructured banter between the speaker and a
crowd of roughly 75 protesters. While many attempted to ask Griffin legitimate
questions, others shouted obscenities.

“We have all come from different backgrounds,” said Authra Khreis, 17,
a pre-med student and a protester. “We should accept one another. I don’t think
he should be allowed to speak. You can use free speech until you hurt another
person.”

Griffin was invited to campus by a conservative student organization
called Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF.

Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to
promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the
ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust,
but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.


If this was another case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” it couldn’t possibly be more misguided. From the statement by Kyle Bristow, it’s clear that the YAF (not related to Jason Mattera’s group, the Young America’s Foundation) knew exactly who Griffin was when they invited him.

The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 5:47:36 pm:

LGF readers have been digging, and so have I, and I was being naive in thinking the YAF at Michigan State would renounce Nick Griffin and the BNP. They know exactly what he believes, and what the BNP stands for, and invited him for that reason.

And surprise! They’re also big supporters of the only man who can save America, Ron Paul.


Oh yeah, and just in case I haven't made it clear enough, we hate the fucking racist BNP.
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142 Comments:

Blogger The Green Arrow said...

Well for those of you who visit this site and have an open mind.

Why not visit the Green Arrow and click on the link and listen to what Nick Griffin has to say.

Then you can make your own minds up.

Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:30:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Yeah, go ahead everybody. And then, go to the BNP website and see the advertisements for "Great White" records:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

And, while you're at it, Google Nick Girrin's name and check out his history of Holocaust Denial and Holocaust Minimization.

The BNP stands for a white Britain, right Green Arrow?

Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:34:00 pm  
Anonymous Snorri Godhi said...

Not only is the (fucking) BNP racist, it is socialist too:

http://www.bloggernews.net/2006/04/racist-party-is-leftist.html

Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:23:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

pastorius, do you hate the MOBO (Music Of Black Origin)awards for being 'racist' ? Will you post an article about how much you hate the fucking racist MOBO awards or were you born a spineless, ignorant hypocrite?

FUCKING MORON!

Monday, October 29, 2007 12:42:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, here we have a group of people - the IBA - who attack muslims with good reason and who no doubt have been accused of racisim, fascism, nazisism and the rest of it. Then, when faced with people who criticize - also with good reason - the multicultural eutopia, what do they do?

Resort to the same tactics used by their opponents to smear those who disagree no matter how much substance the argument contains.

The hypocrisy is nauseating, the stupidity crass. I urge readers woth a mind of their own to visit the BNP website where they will discover many issues of much more importance than Great White records.

Monday, October 29, 2007 2:19:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,
I was born as stupid as I am. And yes, as I have noted to you before, I do publish articles against other forms of racism. However, I think the biggest divide going on in our world right now is being caused by the Muslims. And, I am very concerned about the European response to that problem. Europe has no history of being able to assimilate its immigrants. The notion of a "Melting Pot" is lost on you.

Monday, October 29, 2007 2:59:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
Yes, you and I are on the same side when it comes to Islamofascism. However, if you are willing to put up with the BNP, we part ways there. I find it imortant to make that statement because the consequences of NOT being clear about Europe's problems with outsiders is another possible Holocaust, only this time I fear it will be directed at Indians, Hispanics, blacks, etc.

Monday, October 29, 2007 3:00:00 pm  
Anonymous antifa said...

Snorri Gordi notes that "not only is the (fucking) BNP racist, it is socialist too."

Yeah, in the same way that "national socialists" (ie, nazis) are "socialist." If you can't tell the difference between a nazi and a standard run-of-the-mill socialist, you need to get out more.

Monday, October 29, 2007 4:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius

Why resort to smear and generalisation? FYI, the BNP are more in-tune with the problems facing Europe than any other party. From the EUSSR, Islam, the damage being done by out-of-control immigration to the deliberate destruction of Western culture and the coming energy crisis. They present a well-reasoned, factual argument and they deserve better treatment than your "we fucking hate the BNP", a disgraceful slur that in no way refutes or disproves the issues the BNP are rasing.

The question is why do you resort to the same gutter tactics that earn your - and my - contempt when they are used against those who warm of the serious threat Islam possess to the west?

Monday, October 29, 2007 4:51:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Well said Green Arrow, and well put anonymous!
"The hypocrisy is nauseating, the stupidity crass. I urge readers woth a mind of their own to visit the BNP website where they will discover many issues of much more importance than Great White records."
pastorius???

"I was born as stupid as I am." and "The notion of a "Melting Pot" is lost on you."
Hello in 'fluffy bunny land lol.
antifa.lol
You are just like the rest of your moronic mates, BORING!

Somehow I don't think I will be back here either!

Monday, October 29, 2007 7:16:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Antifa equates to leftist moron with a penchant for violence ,smears and denial.Hitler was a leftist,it's commie propaganda that feeds you lies,a good example being the "uaf" a state sponsored bullshit machine,a license to print lies to provoke and justify attacks on ordinary British folk,ie the real fascists.

Monday, October 29, 2007 8:52:00 pm  
Blogger The Bournemouth Nationalist said...

Once again, it seems to be time for IBA to demonise the British National Party, for standing up for the British people. And, as usual we hear the nonsense that comes from Pastorious and friends, that we are the devil incarnate! It’s easy to say, “when are these people going to grow up and stop telling lies about us”, but this propaganda has been spread so much that some people actually believe it. A great many people of this country have remained loyal to the “Lab-Lib-Con Men” that have ruined our country and continue to do so. All of the main parties tout the same policies and none of them are prepared to tackle the real problems in our society. But, the tide is turning, and whether these established parties like it or not, the British National Party is a legitimate political party and is the fourth largest party in the UK. Also, it is the fastest growing party in Britain.

If Pastorious believes the outrageous lies and propaganda printed in the “Searchlight” and “Unite Against Fascism” websites, he must be a Marxist Communist, or a fool, or both. But, as is typical of a Marxist, he probably believes that we should remove all of our borders and let the population of the whole world come and live in Britain with the exception of a few murderous jihadists. We would all be grateful if Pastorious and friends at IBA can show us a country in the world, either now or in the past where Marxist Communism has worked? The fact is that it has never worked and never will work, because people are individuals with personal aspirations for themselves and their families. We are not robots, and will not march to the tune of the loony left.
It may be true to say that our problems are not all due to immigrants, muslims or otherwise, and of course it would be wrong to claim that they are. But, a great many extra problems have been heaped onto our country, as a result of this government’s open door policy on immigration. But, don’t take our word for it, read the facts from Migration Watch and other sources of reliable and independent documentary information that's available on the internet

But, let’s be clear about this. The BLAME for this country’s immigration problems does NOT lie with the immigrants, the blame lies with our government for allowing it to happen. If we lived in the Third World, or poverty stricken country, we may well do the same thing as them. If we could move from a poor situation, to a comparatively wealthy one overnight, and take advantage of a better lifestyle we may well do the same. The problem with it is – who pays the bill? We can’t carry on doing this, because sooner or later Britain will be bankrupt. The lie that is propagated by this government and the likes of the CBI, is that quote; ‘Britain needs immigrants, to do those jobs that British workers will not do’. This is an outrageous slur on the people of Britain. British workers will do any job, as long as they can receive a living wage. But, it is far easier for these companies to take advantage of these migrant workers, because they can pay them less, and they don’t have to worry about their working conditions. The bosses and the immigrants know that if there are any complaints, the person will be sacked. The fact is that they can pay these people the minimum wage and that is very often a lot more than they would get in their own country, so they can get by on it. But, because they often have large families, the tax credit system converts this minimum wage into a fantastic wage that most Brits would be delighted to earn.
Also, migrant workers are often living and working here whilst their wives and large families are back home. If this worker only receives the minimum wage from his employer, his family will be paid tax credits and child benefits, as if they were living in Britain. In many cases, this is equivalent to them receiving four or five times the earnings of their neighbours and this means that they are getting rich overnight, all courtesy of the British tax payer. In addition, asylum seekers, many of whom are phony, are getting paid even more. The benefits that these people get are listed in the ‘Tenancy Agreement’ introduced by Jack Straw a few years ago, and cover a multitude of expenses that indigenous British people could never claim. I won’t bother to list these benefits, as your readers would become extremely angry to read that they are paying for all of this through their hard earned taxes. But, if anyone would like a copy of this document, all they need to do is ask for it, and we won’t even charge them for the postage.
But, whilst this government is being so magnanimous with the taxes and insurance contributions, paid into the system by the long suffering British public, our NHS is £2.7 billion (two point seven thousand million pounds) in the red. And, our sick and elderly patients are being refused life saving treatment, because the ‘lovely’ people at N.I.C.E. who dictate the NHS payments, say we can’t afford to pay for this vital medication. But, despite our NHS deficit, we are giving away around £7 billion (seven thousand million pounds) every year to two countries, both of whom have nuclear weapons and one of them has a space programme, which Britain doesn’t even have! Perhaps Pastorious would like to comment on the dangers of this or maybe he won't now that he knows he will be speaking the same lines as the devil worshippers in the BNP? We Brits are a very generous nation, and will always help where we can, but we cannot save everyone in the world, and charity begins at home.
Whilst all this is going on, our jobs are being squeezed by companies who are “off-shoring” jobs. Lots of long standing British companies are closing their UK manufacturing plants and moving abroad, so that they can make higher profits. Those trade unions that used to represent the British workers are standing by whilst these companies are moving these British jobs abroad, but you never hear the Unions giving the government a hard time, for allowing it to happen. This is being assisted by our Labour government, who seem to have given up on saving Britain’s manufacturing industry. Furthermore, you hardly ever see British goods in our supermarkets, and most manufactured products on the market are made in China, often bearing a phony “CE” mark of quality, which is another Euro Fiddle.

With all these compounding problems that are facing our country, what is the Blair / Brown government doing to help us? The answer is very little, and the other main parties are dancing to the same tune. People need to wake up and smell the roses, before they disappear under the house building projects that are taking place to house all the new voters, therein lies the reason for mass immigration – NEW VOTERS FOR MR BROWN.

I urge everyone to lift your head above the parapet and see for yourself, instead of believing the propaganda. Start finding the facts for yourself, instead of taking mine or the Infidel Bloggers Alliance word for it. You will be amazed at the truth when you find it, because as our great statesman, Sir Winston Churchill said; “Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But, in the end, there it is”.
Contrary to what the misguided Pastorious believes, the British National Party is the answer. And, I agree that everyone needs to know about us, and they can do this by visiting our website, at www.bnp.org.uk to get the true picture. We have nothing to hide.”

P.S. Snorri Gordi is another misguided fool. We are neither left nor right but centre authoritarian (ish). We have some policies that are traditionally socialist and can therefore be attacked by "the right" but we also have policies based around the "capitalist right" and so can be attacked by the left. But wherever the polices are from they are designed to benefit the people of Britain and to create a framework of social stability and to restore Freedom, Democracy and Identity to the indigenous and legal immigrant population. Authoritarian? Yes when it comes to crime and punishment and as long as you are a legal law abiding citizen your rights and freedoms will remain intact, actually they will increase as we have no interest in curbing the rights of freedom of speech and thought unlike the current Marxist administration.

We are not National Socialists, we are not National Capitalists, we are just Nationalists with the interest of Britain and her people at heart.

God save the Queen

Monday, October 29, 2007 9:02:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,

You said: "...the BNP are more in-tune with the problems facing Europe than any other party. "


I say: Sadly, I agree with you.

You guys have little choice.

The last time we had this discussion here, I suggested that everyone join the Center for Vigilant Freedom, and work on forming new political parties in Europe; parties which stand for a real Free Democratic Republic protecting of Human Rights.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:03:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Bournemouth Nationalist,

You said: "It may be true to say that our problems are not all due to immigrants, muslims or otherwise ..."


I say: I think it is clear that Muslims are a far worse problem than are other immigrants.

Am I wrong?


You say: "...a great many extra problems have been heaped onto our country, as a result of this government’s open door policy on immigration ..."


I say: Yeah, we have that problem here in America too.

Let me be clear, I don't have any quarrels with your arguments against rampant illegal immigration and the attendant problems which come along with that.

Of course Britain ought to have national sovereignty and control over its borders. Yes, I am against the EU. I want the EU to be toppled. No question about it.

You and I probably have a lot in common.

However, I do believe the things that are written about Nick Griffin. I do believe he is a Holocaust Denier, and I do believe the BNP is overrun with racists. When I say that I am not saying that all BNP members are racists. In fact, it would seem from what I read that a growing number of you are not racist.

By the way, are you sure you really want the Queen around?

:)

I mean, what has she done for you lately?

Being an American, I simply don't understand the attatchment to the Queen.

But, what do I know?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:14:00 am  
Blogger Guardian apostate said...

I have to say that this post reads like the work of a 7 year old. I'm not a member of the BNP and there a few of their policies I don't concur with. That said, there are many I do agree with and I look forward to the day when their voice is heard more widely.

In my opinion the real extremists are the ones who, without any mandate or real debate have allowed massive levels of uncontrolled immigration to radically transform this country. To make matters worse they have actively suprpressed, harassed and deried anybody who dared to question the wisdom of all this. Immigration has changed my home city for the worse and it is now becoming unrecognisable as an English city.

Remember also that only one political party has taken the time and effort to adequately research Islam and to then warn against the obvious dangers to British society. If for no other reason that's why I suspect I will most likely vote BNP at the next available opportunity.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:27:00 am  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Pastorious,
But that is EXACTLY what the BNP want.Freedom. You are seeking to divide true and honest people into dfferent camps. I would say traitorously working to deny the freedom and stability of Western Civillisation, just to prove a point is pathetic!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:44:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Red Squirrel,
The BNP wants, as far as I can tell, a white Britain.

I don't see that as freedom. Especially when you have productive citizens who are Indian, Hispanic and Black.

Do you see what I mean?

It is one thing to cut off immigration, and it is another thing to foment hatred or dislike of people who are not white.

Britain does not have to stay white to remain Britain. America has not remained white and it is still America.

That's because America is an ideology-based nation. We are based on the ideas in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Britain has gone through a similar historical process, and yet it would seem that many Brits think that to be British means you are ethnically British.

Sorry, I don't understand that concept. It may be because I am stupid.

Or, perhaps, I am being willfully ignorant.

I could never be sure which. When a person is stupid, they aren't smart enough to know they are stupid. Know what I mean?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:02:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Guardian Apostate,

You know what, I agree with you. I even agree that much of this post and the attendant thread sounds like the work of a seven year old.

Anyway, the extremists who are putting Europe in danger are the very people who are, actually, running the various countries of Europe. You are most certainly correct about that.

Belgium and Brussels are the first ones that must go. I have a hard time believing that you Brits can not find a leader within your own existing parties. In America, we have many of the same problems that you have. However, the worst of your problems (the Muslims) is not nearly the problem for us that it is for you.

Muslims only make up .6 percent of our total population.

That is not to say they are not a threat. It doesn't take many Muslims to detonate a bomb, does it?

Anyway, we have, within our existing parties, some politicians who actually understand the problems that exist. The best of these is John Bolton. John Bolton may very well end up being President. Probably not in 2008. But, in the future, when we have realized the true depth of this war, then we will look to a man like him.

If John Bolton were to be elected, I think he might have to be elected from the platform of a new political party. Lincoln and his buddies had to form the Republican Party before the slavery situation could be dealt with. I believe, similarly, we will have to form new parties, in the Western world, in order to deal with the problem with Islamofascism.

Are you sure you do not have any men like John Bolton in your existing parties?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:09:00 am  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

pastorius,
I am happy to live in a society that includes those of different racial and ethnic backgrounds, and I would like to think that one day humanity would be able to roam at will on our planet! unfortuately we still have a long way to go, to grow up and learn to live together in harmony.
There is nothing wrong with wishing to preserve our particular branch of Human Diversity. there are not many white people left!
I know that, for example many other distinct ethnic groups feel the same way. No problem, not 'racism', a difficult word to define anyway.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:54:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Ok, Red Squirrel, then you and I have no quarrel, as far as I'm concerned.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:15:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:06:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

The Red Squirrel....being an endangered species that has effectively been run out of town by invading foreign grey squirrels....get the analogy.....yes...very sophisticated...No doubt.. the BNP hands the UK over to the Muslims. Their inability to separate Nationality from Ethnicity....means you are Racist.....a dog born in a stable will never be a Horse huh?...So when Nick Griffin makes a very valid speech about the Islamifaction of England.....it falls on deaf ears....Stop exploiting the situation for your own short sited political aims....it's sad...You disarm us by hijacking our national symbols and associating them with White Power.....leaving those with some ethics fighting an up hill battle to retain our culture against an Islamic onslaught.....so from a darkie...thanks for handing my country over to the Jihadi's.....Thanx!

Pastorious don't let these fuckers draw you in.....Green Arrow the Aryan super hero...come on!....And as for socialist!? You gotta be kidding me!...If the Klan said they were no longer racist....would you believe them?....Just a damn shame that the BNP are the only ones speaking.......SOME.....truth about the Islamic problem....VIg Freedom.....the only way forward.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:07:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Some nice BNP slogans....

'Lets show the ethnics the door in 2004!'

'Ain't no black in the Union jack.....'


'Theirs nig nogs by the fire side fire side fire side....' repeat et al....

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:11:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius

Thanks for your replies, it was a civilised and reasoned debate until the idiot Watcher71 felt the need to impress people with stupidity.

There is more to immigration and the creation of the EU than we can discuss here. The BNP are the only party who are calling all of the issues - from corrupt politicians greedily dining from the public through to the deliberate destruction of nation states to the problems of globalisation. All I ask is that instead of resorting to ad hominem - a despicable tactic designed to suppress debate and used by the marxists to great effect - you criticise and rebuff using reason and intelligence.

And if you do slate one side for racism, make sure you slate the other. Black racism - attacks on whites - is far worse in both the UK and the US and yet only white racism is attacked. Gangster rap, with its refernces to whites as "crackers" is one example. Can you imagine the outcry if white people wrote such disgusting racist filth? Yet I don't see a page on your site entitled "we FUCKING HATE gangster rap."

You make the same mistake many pro-multiculturalists make: that immigrants would just love to assimilate into white culture, why they couldn't possibly hate our people. But they do. Not only that, they hate other races - we have problems with blacks v asians like you have problems with blacks v hispanics.

Personally, I have no problem with LIMITED and STRICTLY controlled immigration. A cornerstone is that immigrants speak English and integrate fully into the British way of life. They adopt our culture, our traditions and our values. All too often, this doesn't happen and alien cultures override our culture. It's wrong. And in the case of Muslims, it is suicidal. We both agree on that point at least.

People prefer to live amongst their own. Study after study proves this. It is perfectly natural yet we are being forced to endure the horrors of multiculturalism and being labelled "racists" just because we want to preserve our culture and our way of life. It is a way of life that I for one am extremely proud of but it is slowly being eradicated and replaced by alien cultures deemed superior to my own.

Enough is enough. The BNP are the only party standing up for my culture and they are doing so with reason and integrity. All I ask is that you check out what they're saying, check out their policies and if you want to criticise, do so fairly and with reason.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:39:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher 71,You're insignificant....a bit like your blog. ALLAHO AKBAR ASH'HADO ANLA ILAHA ILLALLAH. REAP AND SOW.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:27:00 am  
Anonymous Snorri Godhi said...

Well, this is developing into quite a discussion, and more rational than one might expect!

To all those who claim that the BNP is the only party that takes a stand on issues important to you: let's be realistic about this. The majority of people worried about Islamism are anti-racist, so we can only find common ground on an anti-racist platform. An anti-immigration party must make a special effort to dissociate itself from racism, otherwise it is stuck with a few percent of the vote. Nick Griffin does not seem the ideal person to make a stand against racism.

To those who claim that the BNP is not socialist: can you mention a single area of the economy in which the BNP would reduce government interference? Because I can only think of areas where they would increase it. For me, socialism is a much more important issue than immigration. I have seen the material and cultural devastation brought by the socialist post-war consensus, and I do not think that there is much more damage that immigration can do to Britain. (Islamism is another issue.) But then, I don't vote in the UK, and I would never return to work there, so never mind about me.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:03:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

Originally I was just happy to delete you from the blogroll and leave it at that, but I see GA and RS have weighed in, so I think I'll throw in my own 2c. But just on the one thing.

I've never wanted to get into the whole race thing, but your comments on 'a white Britain' force my hand. So here goes:

You say: "The BNP wants, as far as I can tell, a white Britain.

I don't see that as freedom. Especially when you have productive citizens who are Indian, Hispanic and Black."

Well, I've got news for you, sunshine. Until the stupid Commonwealth Act was signed in the mid 40s, Britain was a white country, and race-baiters like you and yours wouldn't have had a leg to stand on with this nonsense. Those happy days are now long gone, however, and we've got all sorts on every bloody corner, to the extent that even foreign visitors come to England and wonder where it's gone. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard of a tourist coming to London and being disappointed that it doesn't look like an English city at all. Come over sometime and wander along Oxford St or take a walk up Brick Lane, and tell me we're not being replaced. But perhaps you think, along with Keith Vaz MP, that this is a good thing? Is it perhaps the gospel according to Pastorius that it's a wonderful thing that my country has been transformed? You tell me.

"Do you see what I mean?

It is one thing to cut off immigration, and it is another thing to foment hatred or dislike of people who are not white."

Heaven help anyone you ever give advice to if you can't tell the difference between love and hate. To love one's own people doesn't necessitate hating another simply because it is other. Never has, never will. Insofar as there is any hatred being 'fomented' by those who'd actually quite like their country back, I've only ever seen it aimed at those filthy traitors responsible for today's reprehensible situation, at those who should have been the guardians of this nation but opened wide the floodgates and invited the hordes inside. Is it not right to hate crimes against your own? To hate the criminality of those who undertake those tasks? And all of this, not out of some psychopathic tendency, some narcissism of a nationalist tendency, but out of simple love for one's own people and nation. Are we allowed even that, or is it a case of Paul Belien being answered 'yes!' to his question of "are we all Nazis now?"

"Britain does not have to stay white to remain Britain. America has not remained white and it is still America.

That's because America is an ideology-based nation. We are based on the ideas in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

So far so good, and you'd have done well to stop there. Britain is not America. Britain isn't really even a country in the same way that America is. Instead the American situation of many states united by a big war of acquisition and a nominal unifying belief in the constitution, Britain is three-and-a-bit countries (nations, in fact) united by the act of union, but still very much a collection of nations. Try telling a Welshman he's the same as an Englishman and see what reaction you get.

"Britain has gone through a similar historical process, and yet it would seem that many Brits think that to be British means you are ethnically British.

Sorry, I don't understand that concept. It may be because I am stupid."

No, you're just American. America is, and always has been, the enforced result of an idea, or collection of ideas. None of it happened organically. A group of people decided to colonise, then a group of people decided to break free, and then successive waves of immigration decided to move over for a better life or whichever. England, by comparison, became England because a bunch of mercenaries (the Angles) lost their collective temper when they felt they'd not been paid properly and took a lot of the land as payback. People simply moved, stayed, and set down roots, seldom with the sort of formality you see in the stated intention of the US constitution. Until Americans understand that for us Brits and Europeans (those of us not towing the neo-commie EU line, that is), our identity and very soul and selfhood is linked in with our history and descent, rather than some arbitrary document drawn up by a lot of colonists, Americans are unlikely to ever really understand Europeans and Europe.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:58:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I wish I had time to respond to the most recent series of comments. This morning I am very busy. It took all my time to read them.

Some good thoughts there.

I will say this (and hopefully I can answer more tonight when I get home):

1) Watcher71 is one of my favorite people in the blogosphere. Why? Exactly because he is a, as he put it, "darkie" who has assimilated and contributes to society.

2) I am not a multiculturalist. I am a "melting pot" American. If I were a multiculturalist, I wouldn't expect immigrants to assimilate, I would only expect them to bring their traditions with them and live in their own enclaves like they seem to do in Europe.

3) I've been to London, and walked down Oxford St. and it looks to me like you guys let in too many immigrants in too short a time, and thus, you are having a hell of a time assimilating them all.

4) Mr. Smith, I would like to responnd to your comment at greater length, but let me say this, Never underestimate the value of ideas over race. The progress of all human history turns on ideas. When history turns on race, it is not progress. It is either treading water, or it is, sometimes, a mere meaningless bloodbath.


5) Watcher 71, I am not being "taken in" by these guys. I simply think that not all BNP members are racists. The BNP Ballerina is a case in point. I don't know who the Green Arrow is. I only liked the name because it reminded me of my favorite superhero when I was a kid; The Green Hornet.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:49:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

Pastorius:

"2) I am not a multiculturalist. I am a "melting pot" American. If I were a multiculturalist, I wouldn't expect immigrants to assimilate, I would only expect them to bring their traditions with them and live in their own enclaves like they seem to do in Europe."

But even a 'melting pot' is a problem for an old country like England, as it requires everything put into it to be melted down into something else. By default, all the parts lost their identity and selfhood by such a process. To many here in Britain and Europe, this is (quite rightly) unacceptable. As Nick Griffin said in his speech at Clemson, the American model of multiculturalism is 'an exterminationist model'. Whatever the result of such a process might be, it won't be any of the original elements.

"3) I've been to London, and walked down Oxford St. and it looks to me like you guys let in too many immigrants in too short a time, and thus, you are having a hell of a time assimilating them all."

On this, at least, we agree. Quite what we mean by assimiliation I suspect we'd disagree strongly on, however.

"4) Mr. Smith, I would like to responnd to your comment at greater length, but let me say this, Never underestimate the value of ideas over race. The progress of all human history turns on ideas. When history turns on race, it is not progress. It is either treading water, or it is, sometimes, a mere meaningless bloodbath."

Granted, race isn't everything, which is why I refer to the white mohommedan in the 'islamispeace' campaign as having 'turned turk'. Similarly, I consider communists to be traitors to whichever people they come from, as communism also has the 'exterminationist model' as a lynchpin, as we can see from today's situation. Race is necessary, but not sufficient. Ideas need to be in the mix, too. Which is where you and I part company. You seem to think that ideas are all that's necessary, I think that having one's own race and people survive in the homeland of that race and people would be a good idea, too.

Oh, and two other things:

1 - what's wrong with a white Britain? If the mayor of New Orleans can say he wants it to be 'a chocolate city', why can't we do the same with our country? To misquote Ali G, is it cos I is white?

2 - What's Holocaust Minimization? I know that Holocaust Denial is the heresy of the 20th and 21st centuries, but what's Holocaust Minimization?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:03:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Anonymous thanks for your expected abuse...after all that's how you guys deal with criticism....as for insignificant....? Maybe so....but at least I put my name to my comments......Oh and to the same or 'other' Anonymous......I sure as hell ain't no Arab or bloody Muslim!...LOL!

On being uncivilised.....yes I guess it does hurt when your own barbaric ignorance is quoted back to you......Interesting how you default to abuse rather than debate....As for my blog...Yep your right....It could do with work...but given that this lazy darkie is working a 100 hours a week currently.....I'm unsurprised it's lapsed! LOL!.....Fortunately my input is not about my Ego or self aggrandisement....unlike yourselves. I am more intersected in building bridges and links to enable us all to resist the Islamic monster....! Unlike yourselves who merely want to divide us, ultimately making us weaker.

PS let me know when your DNA has been tested to show us how 'Ethnically' English you really are?.....Like the founder of the group who only considered those whose family was in the British Isles before the Norman invasion as British. Her results showed her to be Romany Gypsy......and thus a fairly recent migrant.

Pastorious, here we really see the face of British fascism....they have nothing to contribute other than acting as a divisive element/factor and thus serving the Islamic agenda.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:03:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

"here we really see the face of British fascism"

Not even close. But I wonder, could you define fascist? Could you tell me what it is, other than 'someone who doesn't agree with me', that is? It's people like you who abuse the use of words so much that they lose all semblance of meaning and impact.

Go on, enlighten us all, what's 'British fascism'? Is it me? Is it Green Arrow? Is it anyone to the right of Labour? Do tell!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:12:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

MrSmith....interesting comments....

1 - what's wrong with a white Britain? If the mayor of New Orleans can say he wants it to be 'a chocolate city',


Firstly, with respect, that kind of thinking is part of the problem.

If Nationality is decided...regardless of contribution, by race....then how can a non white born and bred here ever be British....(following that chain of logic)...so infact you are arguing against assimilation as assimilation (using that logic)is based on race....if you cannot accept that a non white person can be British after generations in the country, having served in the military in defence of this country, having been born in the country....then the position is simply racist.

It never fails to astound me just how ill informed the BNP is for example about Afro caribbeans.....no knowledge of how as a part of slavery, a process of deafricanisation was enforced on new slaves....so in short African religions, languages and culture were banned by the slave owner and replaced (in our experience) with the culture of the slave/colonial master, in our experience, British culture. Fast forward a hundred years or so...when Britain called for citizens of the Empire to come and defend the Mother land (Britain) in both World wars...they couldn't provide enough ships to transport volunteers to the fight, such was the overwhelming response.

I am not surprised at the increase in popularity of the BNP....but the real truth is in sifting those with legitimate concerns....and those who are simply Racist. In my experience fortunately the majority of Britain's know the difference. Has the BNP helped in Dagenham..?
Have BNP councillors made it to council meetings in Dagenham?....Not according to my WHITE friends in Dagenham.
So Mrsmith....I think nationality and identity is dictated by loyalty...and not by race....of which none of us have any control over. My other half landed with the Normans....My father's ancestors invaded frequently with the Vikings before settling.....Personally I don't hold any ill will towards Britain over slavery...in fact I feel that I was saved!! Not to justify slavery of course....Oh and Pas....I know this thing with the Queen is weird to an American...but she cost me 60p a year....and brings far more revenue than that into the country....besides...she's Queenie! And I love her.

People of the World Unite and fight the Islamic Jihadist monster....

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:45:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher71

Get it right, you started the absue with your smears and your stereotyping.

I'm the first Anonymous, and I referred to you as "wanting to impress people with stupidity" and my assessment was correct.

You are iterating stereotypes about the BNP, falling over yourself to disregard the salient points raised about multiculturalism so you can use your favourite buzzwords to smear those who disagree with you: Racists and fascists. How very smart of you.

You are a coward, you aim to stiffle opposition instead of debate and I have news for you: we in the BNP are wise to the game and it doesn't work anymore.

I'm sick of people like you who love to point the accusing finger at whites who defend their cultures whilst turning a blind eye to the racism of blacks, hispanics, asians etc. Not to mention how blacks treat each other but that's another topic.

It's funny how you completely ignored my points about racist gangster rap and black v hispanic racism - hey, it's only whites who are the fascists isn't it?

Here's some stereotypes for you: All blacks stink, are lazy, take drugs, abuse women and have chips on their shoulder that cause them to blame everything and everyone other than themselves for their miserable lot in life.

It isn't nice to stereotype, and what you've stated about people in the BNP is as offensive to me as the paragraph containing black stereotypes is to anyone with half a brain.

The west has problems, Islam is one but multiculturlism is just as bad. I want my culture, I want my country and I'm sick of people downing my country's history, its traditions and its people and I'm sick of other cultures being deemed more important than my own. I'm sick of the lies, sick of the bias reporting, sick of the refusal to debate honestly and I've had enough. The BNP are the only party who are fighting for the BRitish people and our way of life and they're doing a great job. One day, we will get our country back.

You want to debate without smear, bring it on. Truth stands strong and it stands alone. I'm not afraid of it.

How about you?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:46:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Go on, enlighten us all, what's 'British fascism'? Is it me? Is it Green Arrow? Is it anyone to the right of Labour? Do tell!


Ok well that statement shows me what you know about British politics.....Who in the main stream is to the right of Labour!!!LOL!!!!

Even Thatcher was to the left of the current Labour Government!LOL!....Not that I'm looking for a bitch session....and no Fascist doesn't mean we disagree!

Forced repatriation of non whites is fascist...as the BNP advocated for many years and no doubt behind closed doors ...still do...

Do you think it is productive to label all people of the same ethnic grouping as being the same politically or culturally? Or is it more productive to build links and fight a threat that threatens us all. Islamification of Europe is well under way....fighting amongst ourselves is counter productive and is exactly what the Islamic agenda hopes to encourage....as it weakens us as whole....Pastorious is my favourite blogger in the universe...infact I want him to run for El Prez! (which he won't do...!)yet I am sure we would radically disagree on issues of economic policy.....we are in a state of undeclared WAR. I look forward to getting back to the good old days when I all we argued about was more money for the National health service! LOL....Infact if the BNP dropped their white supremacist approach and purged themselves of the 99% of supporters who are racist thugs....then they may suddenly find themselves getting an awful lot of black supporters....you forget...it is us that have to live alongside the Jihadi's....we don't live in leafy suburbs away from them.......So no, disagreement doesn't make you a Fascist.

Physically and verbally attacking somebody .....before you have spoken to them....simply because of their complexion....well you tell me what does that make you...?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:07:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Anon....Hmmm get your point.....I didn't pick up on my disgust for example of gangster rap....and blacks (or ANYONE) who attacks anybody because of their race....because I have often previously stated that racist behaviour is not the privy of whites....blacks who attack whites are just as abhorrent as whites who attack blacks....and yes it does happen....and yes it does need to be talked about....and stopped....as I said, Griffins speech on ...I think Red Squirrels blog site was very good!...As for abusing Women....well my Mother is a Radical feminist writer....and my recognition of the way Islamic traditions subjugate women informs my reaction to Islam. Remember that OAP who was savagely beaten...possibly in Oldham (one of many).....if I could have been part of the 'reaction' to that...believe me....I would have. The BNP has a legitimate argument.....just lose the Ethno Nationalistic perspective as you are missing out on many.....many........many supporters!
The point is Nationality is about loyalty .....not skin colour.

When I choose between the BNP and the Islamification of Britain....I choose the BNP.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:23:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Watcher,

Give us an example of the BNP 'physically and verbally attacking' anyone 'because of their complexion'.

And who the f**k are you to decide that 99% of BNP supporters are racist thugs? Call me a racist thug and I feel perfectly justified in calling you a nigger!

'Darkies' like you give black people a bad name!

And what is it with all the full stops...is it a black thing?

GA, Anons, RS etc you are wasting your time with this chip on the shoulder merchant, he is projecting his own racist tendencies onto you.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher71

Thank you for your response, I think when we debate like this we make progress.

Please don't misunderstand my point about blacks abusing women. It was more aimed at the filthy lyrics used by rappers and the way they treat women being used to smear all blacks, which is wrong just as smearing those of us who stand up for our culture and vote BNP are labelled racists.

You also raise the issues of slavery. Let me tell you something: white people too were slaves, indeed, child lasbour in the UK was rife. Today, slavery is still practised by Islamists who refuse to stop it. But more is made of the slave trinagle than all other forms. I wonder why?

On Islam we speak with the same voice I'm glad to say and people like Pastorius, Green Arrow, BFB and many others are doing a fine job in promoting awareness. I experss my thanks to all of you, it is such an important job.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:45:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Watcher ... the key is not to allow yourself to be in a situation where evils are the only choices, if that is so, it's time for a third choice.

YOUR OWN

The only difference between the KKK and the BNP is that they KKK DOES hate the jews more, therefore THEY chose the muslims But is there any doubt what the KKK will do with other 'mud people' once thru with the jews and free to spurn the arabs?

The BNP hate the muslims more, so they muffle the other outputs, TEMPORARILY.

I will never ally myself with that for a transitory, temporal advantage.

Don't need 'em, want 'em, or want them as allies. In fact they are not. They cannot be.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:46:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Epaminondas,

Are you sure that's not 'Epidermic', as in 'Needle'? Coz you sound like you need a fix...and QUICK!

I've seen some piss poor excuses to equate the BNP with KKK but this takes the biscuit!

Move along, and leave this thread to the grown-ups.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:07:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Epa...no. I can see how I wasn't clear with the end of my last comment....I was playing devils advocate....IF there were only two choices...BNP or Islam....of course that isn't the situation....There is a third way (and prob a fourth and fifth etc)...Vig Freedom is the the way forward...

Anon...I totally agree that progress is always made through debate...on slavery..did you know that the first slaves in Jamaica were white and indentured labourers...the heat killed them rapidly so the Plantations turned to Africa for labour...but this is just as important in our history as African slavery...indeed indentured service forced many many white people into servitude...and death.

BFB...Thanks you make my point for me..almost aswell as the Muslims who protest Islam being called violent by rioting and burning down churches. Oh and you want examples of BNP violence...well my body has several scars from defending myself from unprovoked attacks....

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:24:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Watcher,

A few URL's - or the equivalent - will suffice. No-one wants to see your non-existent scars. Have you seen the scar I got when Winston Sillcott tried to hack my head off at the Tottenham riots which killed PC Blakelock? No? Not surprising considering that it's impossible due to the fact that this is a f****ing BLOG!

URL me, BOY!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:52:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher et al,

What a shame. A debate that seemed to be progressing has now degenerated into anecdotal "my scars are bigger than yours".

Is this where we are?

Watcher, you read epas remarkls and yet, rather than point out that the BNP don't lynch people or burn crosses or advocate such barbarity, you kissed ass. That tells me so much.

You see, people like YOU are THE problem. You are only interested in pursuing your own agenda rather than pursuing the truth.

And the truth is so blatant even Stevie Wonder could see it: White, judeo-christian culture is being "ethnically cleansed" by marxism, global captialism and Islam. Immigrants are beiong used as pawns, immigration is way out of control and white culture is being sacrificed at the altar of diversity.

And yet, people such as myself who are proud of their culture, their history, their traditions and the achievements and legacies of their forefathers, many of whom gave their lives for the freedoms we take for granted RIGHT NOW in dialogues such as this one, we are branded racists and fascists.

Era and his ilk smear without a shred of truth and people like yourself Watcher, instead of defedning truth you side with the fascists.

The point I raised originally still stands: Why resort to the gutter of lies and ad hominem, THE SAME tactics used by YOUR opponents when you rightly criticise the evil of Islam - tactics you no doubt despise as do I - yet you have no problem in resorting to them when you seek to avoid facing the issues raised by the BNP?

And yes, you and I both know that whites were slaves as were white children exploited by greedy capitalists. So you tell me why the media only report on black slavery making whites feel guilty about it and yet total silence about Islamic slavery and of white slavery. But blacks begging for compensation is deemed perfectly acceptable isn't it?

But that is how it is today. White culture is to be dismantled by government and media at will. People like the racist pig Nelson Mandela are lauded for the way they fought for their beliefs in their country and people whereas people like myself and other BNP members are labelled racists for doing the same.

You tell me why.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:39:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Hi Mr. Smith,
In answer to your first question, about the Mayor of New Orleans, I would answer this: Most Americans think that guy is a racist a-hole. I am among those Americans.

As to your second question, Holocaust minimization is when a man questions the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust, as if it were true that were there only 4 million killed, it would make the situation any different.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:42:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Mr. Smith,

Yes, you are correct in saying that you and I would disagree on the meaning of assimilation. Additionally, you and I strongly disagree on the importance of race.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:44:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

"Holocaust minimization is when a man questions the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust, as if it were true that were there only 4 million killed, it would make the situation any different."

I see. So questioning the accepted version of details is anathema also, is it? Whatever happened to freedom of thought?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:46:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Pastorius,

Do you KNOW that 6 million were killed? Refer me to that source!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:48:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watcher71,

You said: "People of the World Unite and fight the Islamic Jihadist monster...."


I say: On that I think we can all agree.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:50:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Do we all agree on the official version of 9/11?

I don't, does that make me a 9/11 denier?

Griffin is no more an anti Jew for questioning the official version of the holocaust than I am for questioning the official version of 9/11.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:55:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

One of the topics being discussed by Watcher and Anonymous in this thread is slavery, both black and white, throughout history.

Check out this article:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/white-slavery-in-europe-then-and-now.html

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:59:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

It's about time we raised the level of this debate.

Is immigration good or bad (Watcher, keep your hidden racist tendencies to yourself, this is adult territory, we could do without your 'all BNP are racist thugs' juvenile imput).

And Pastorius, are you still CONSUMED WITH HATRED for the BNP, only such hatred makes rational debate impossible.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:04:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,
Your questions about Holocaust minimization and 9/11 are strange to me.

What is the purpose of them?

How many people do you think did die in the Holocaust? What really did happen on 9/11?

Any theories?

See, the issue doesn't have to do with historical inquiry. The issue is, I'm sorry to say, motivation.

I know I am veering within millimeters of calling your questions thoughtcrime. Sorry about that, but still my questions stand.

Many blacks think AIDS was developed by the white man to kill off blacks. If they frame their question as one of historical and medical inquiry, is it an intelligent question? Do you think, perhaps, a white man did come up with the magic AIDS potion in order to kill of blacks?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:09:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Is immigration good or bad?

I'd say it depends on the level (percentage of immigration over time) relative to the total population.

It also seems to me that it ought to be harder to gain citizenship in the Western world. And, if a person does not like our system, they ought to be shown the door instead of being given an almost free college education with which to learn to plot the overthrow of our governments.

As I mentioned before, my wife is an immigrant, but she is more American than I. She moved here before she was ten. She owns her own business. She speaks without an accident. She loves our country and its traditions. She cooks Thanksgiving dinner for about 25 of our relatives every year, for instance. She's the one who put the flags out in front of our house. It had never occurred to me.

She is the one who said to me on 9/11, if America were to disappear, then people like, around the world would have nothing to hope for, nothing to believe in.

I know many immmigrants like my wife and her family. They are Americans, just like me. I also know many immigrants who join groups like La Raza and Mecha. They ought to have had their citizenship put off, and when they began showing their face (yes, the government should, basically, be spying on them), they should have been shown the door. We don't need them. Let them go overthrow the Mexican government. That government really fucking needs to go.

So, my answer to your question is not at all a simple answer. Immigration is a complex issue.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:17:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Is immigration good or bad?

I'd say it depends on the level (percentage of immigration over time) relative to the total population.

It also seems to me that it ought to be harder to gain citizenship in the Western world. And, if a person does not like our system, they ought to be shown the door instead of being given an almost free college education with which to learn to plot the overthrow of our governments.

As I mentioned before, my wife is an immigrant, but she is more American than I. She moved here before she was ten. She owns her own business. She speaks without an accident. She loves our country and its traditions. She cooks Thanksgiving dinner for about 25 of our relatives every year, for instance. She's the one who put the flags out in front of our house. It had never occurred to me.

She is the one who said to me on 9/11, if America were to disappear, then people like, around the world would have nothing to hope for, nothing to believe in.

I know many immmigrants like my wife and her family. They are Americans, just like me. I also know many immigrants who join groups like La Raza and Mecha. They ought to have had their citizenship put off, and when they began showing their face (yes, the government should, basically, be spying on them), they should have been shown the door. We don't need them. Let them go overthrow the Mexican government. That government really fucking needs to go.

So, my answer to your question is not at all a simple answer. Immigration is a complex issue.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:17:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Pastorius,

YOUR question is strange to me.

Nick Griffin, you say, is guilty of 'Holocaust Minimilaztion (your words) as if you KNOW 6 million Jews died (as a result of Nazi gas-chambers)when in fact there isn't a shred of evidence that '6million' (that's some grave) were murdered in this way.

True, a lot of Jews were killed by the Nazi's (even more Russians were killed by Stalin, but we'll ignore that, as usual) but if Nick Griffin questions the authority of this 6 million figure, I fail to see how that makes him anti-Jewish.

I question the 3000 that died on 9/11, but I am not anti-American. I just question the 'official' version of events.

Christ, did I really need to spell that out?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:20:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Why do you question the events of 9/11?

Why does Nick Griffin question the number of people killed in the Holocaust?

And, while we're at it, why does the Turkish government quibble over whether we ought to call genocide the one million Armenians they systematically killed?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:33:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

Fair points, Pastorius.

On an unrelated matter, do you mind if we evil people in favour of the BNP call the current immigration situation in the UK by the name of 'ethnic cleansing'?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:38:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Why do I question 9/11?

Why does Nick Griffin question the Holocaust?

Because we have enquiring minds that don't swallow bullshit without wretching.

What the fuck has Turkey got to do with the BNP...you're babbling, man.

Get a grip!

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:42:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Mr. Smith,

No, I don't care. Obviously, you don't need to come to me for approval :)

It seems to me there are two sides to the coin, however:

1) White Brits, like white Americans, simply do not have many kids.

2) Levels of immigration are too high (which, to me, means too high to assimilate over a short period of time.)

Oh yeah, and, you may be able to see from whence my interest in this subject emanates. My wife is an immigrant. She is not, at all, a white person.

That means, you know, if you think about it, my kids aren't white.

And yet, it would seem to me, my kids are full-fledged Americans, and members of Western Civilization, especially if they grow up to be like my wife and I.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:46:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,
Turkey questions the legitimacy of calling the Armenian situation by the name of "genocide." It doesn't fit with their version of history.

Many black Americans believe that a white man invented AIDS to kill off the black man.

You don't believe that 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 (for whatever reason.)

Nick Griffin does not believe that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.

All of you call your questions "historical inquiry."

That's what I'm babbling about.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:49:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

Pastorius,

So you agree it's an ethnic cleansing of the UK? Good to know.

I had a few thoughts on some of the issues raised by the reaction of the American blogosphere to the BNP speech thing and wrote a little something about it on my blog. If anybody's interested, click here to have a look.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:57:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

My wife is an immigrant. She is not, at all, a white person.

Ahh, so there is a vested interest on your part: namely, "your wife is an immigrant."

That would explain the 'vested interest' assault on the BNP.

Let me get this right.

You are not interested in advocating the best possible environment for children to grow up in...you are advocating the best possible environment for 'your mixed-race children'....ahhh, now it all becomes clear.

"Mixed-race" is good because Pastorius is involved in a mixed-race relationship!

Doesn't this disqaulify Pastorius from commenting on issues that do not have a 'mixed-race' agenda?

How far do you want to go with this race-thing, Pastorius?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:03:00 am  
Blogger MrSmith said...

"How far do you want to go with this race-thing, Pastorius?"

Uh-oh.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:05:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

How far do I want to go on the race thing? As far as I have learned and advocated all my life.

I am an American. I have always been taught, and have always believed, that ideas are more important than race.

Not only that, but it has been my experience. I am also a musician, and because of that, I have been around all sorts of people. Music brings people together who would not ordinarily associate with each other. When you get to know them, you see they aren't much different than you are.

Also, I am an Evangelical Christian. The churches I have gone to over the years have always been mixed-race. As a Christian I gather with people whose lives are centered around the same ideas as mine. I get along with them because we have more in common ideologically than we have serparating us ethnically.

But, the question you put to me is clever.

Problem is, it doesn't apply to my experience, so any answer I would give you would not be an answer you would want to hear.

You guys might as well give up on me. I'm not gonna change and neither are you.

I don't write this blog so that you will come and argue with me. Just as you don't write your respective blogs for guys like me. Some of you I relate to. I agree with some of your points. But, your fixation on race, and conspiracy-theory questions surrounding 9/11 and the Holocaust seems lame to me.

I guess there is some benefit to this. It clarifies what IBA is, and what we stand for, which is the only reason I wrote this dumb post in the first place.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:53:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

"I am an Evangelical Christian"

Since when were Christians consumed with hatred?

"WE HATE THE BNP"

You, Pastorius, are a fucking fake!

Now piss off you little Commie freak!

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:34:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

No, I'm not a fake. I'm a Christian who uses "bad" language.

I'm certainly not a perfect Christian. For instance, I've been rude to you in the past.

Gotta get off to my Trotskyite meeting now. See ya'.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:38:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

G'night, Pasty.

Watcher, wanna cross swords, little nigger boy?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:10:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

I hope you fuckwits have learned a lesson from this; ie, if you attack the BNP, there will be a HUGE comeback!

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:40:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

"So, my answer to your question is not at all a simple answer. Immigration is a complex issue."

Square that circle with "I Fucking Hate The BNP", and you get a Christian who talks absolute bollocks, do you not?

Try and redeem yourself, Pastorius, but it is evident that you have no tolerance for anyone who doesn't share your views, or have I made a mistake in my interpretation of your hypocrisy?

"I HATE THE BNP"...who said that?

Was it Jesus?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:56:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

Or was it YOU?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:14:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

Where's 'Darkie' gone?

I was looking forward to asking him if Nelson Mandela was a 'black supremesist' or if blacks were immune to that label?

I need a 'darkie' to enlighten me, coz, as a white guy, what do I know?

So, Nigger, was Nelson a racist?

Or is he off the hook for having 'darkie' skin?

You can answer that one, Pastorius...can't you?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:45:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I joined the BNP, during the Nick Griffin trial. I was outraged that he wasin the dock for calling islam a "wicked and vicious faith".
Whilst I don't agree with all they have to say, and Nick may have said a few things in the past that I find offensive the ex home secretary was a card carrying commie in his 30's! As they are the only political voice that recognises, and speaks up against, the mortal danger that our country faces, they will continue to get my support, my vote, and my money!
Urban11

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:04:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Hahaha!!!! BFB..I haven't replied because I was leaving you the rope to hang yourself...knowing your one brain cell wouldn't recognise an ambush....after your racist tirades it is now irrelevant whether or not you deny that BNP supporters are racist!!!....Nobody else has used racist language on this thread....So to any body that actually isn't racist....it is blatantly obvious that you are...! Fucking idiot!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I Piss on you dumbass!! Cheers MATE!....OH PS keep on posting to yourself...as nobody else is paying attention...BFB is it Big Fat Bastard....or Sad Lonely Bastatard?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:20:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

NIGGER!

Is Nelson Mandela a BLACK SUPREMACIST?

Answer the fucking question!

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:16:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Urban11,
I understand your points/feelings perfectly well. Were I a Brit, I may have been moved to do the same as you.

I know it would have pissed me off to watch that trial.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:25:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Yes, Nelson Mandela is a racist, and I have posted on that subject in the past. Desmond Tute, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Abu Izzadeen are as well, if you're going to ask.

Additionally, Abe Foxman is bigoted against Christians. The Mayor of Los Angeles (Villarigosa) seems to want to hand California over to Mexicans (illegal immigrants). And, the Chinese government (communist) seems to hate its own people.

Anymore people I need to make pronouncements on?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:31:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

BFB said

"I was looking forward to asking him if Nelson Mandela was a 'black supremesist' or if blacks were immune to that label?"

This is a perfectly reasonable Question!
I was one of the many Brits who are quite rightly,appauled at the erection of Nelson Mandella's statue in Parliament square, because he IS a terrorist, The ANC were backed by marxists and carried out many Black on Black atrocities, as well as Black on White atrocities! This still goes on today. Links to Mandella's Terrorism:-
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy.html

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/safrican.elections/stories/crime/

http://www.geocities.com/mterras/

I had a very graphic link, which has photographs of the white dead and mutillated victims. Including a little girl of 4 years old, who actually survived multiple rape and beatings.The link is temporarily down, due to bandwith problems, but I will post it on here when it is accessable if you wish. It is so disgusting that I have a warning on my site!

Watcher 71,
Concerning 'racist language'I have heard FAR more racist and abusive language from Black people in Britain. For example,I bumped into an aquaintance of my daughter's a few months ago,and he said " Your hair gone blonde, you look like a 'Honkey', man, your hair far better before" I laughed and replied "So what,after all I am white"?
He made no reply!
Later on when I related the incident to someone else, he said that my response should have been "So what, you look like a nigger"
I would not have used the term 'nigger' because he would have been far more insulted by that term, than I could ever feel about being called a 'honky', so I just let it go.
Strange though, certain Black's call each other 'nigger' often, inspired by Crap,sorry meant Rap music no doubt!
My dislike of Rap music is because it encourages and promotes violence, the sexual exploitation of women,pimping,drug dealing and worship of Mammon!

Watcher 71,
I assume you are Black British? If you work, pay taxes and respect our nation you have no reason to fear the BNP, they are in no way 'supremicist', or racist. I have heard many, usually silly, racist jokes passed on by mobile phones,or in pubs etc,from all sections of society! iv'e heard none from members of the BNP that I know. No doubt they tell them as well in private, so what?
At school in the '60's I had a few black and Asian friends, we got on well. Then the floodgates opened,to huge numbers of Muslims, who didn't want to mix with us 'Kuffar' from the onset they were surly and rude, they were 'not allowed'to fraternise with any of us, and at first only the boys attended school, until the Education authorities stepped in.
Islam (whatever the colour or origin of it's adherents)poses the greatest threat the world has ever seen to any Nation it seeks to rule! As far as I am concerned it's 'Get the Fuck out of Britain, and Europe' and they can take all the IDIOTS who have converted to this 'death cult' along with them, regardless of race, skin colour, gender etc etc.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:36:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

Anymore people I need to make pronouncements on?

Yes. Robert Mugabe, about whom the black Archbishop of York said: "Mugabe is the worst kind of racist dictator".

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6997168.stm

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:14:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius,

Since you are a white American I don't think you can ever fully understand what it is like to live in the land in which you are indigenous, and see it being slowly taken over without giving your consent.

In the UK, if you complain about immigration, you are immediately labelled a racist. If you express patriotic sentiments, you are labelled a "little Englander" or some other derogatory term.

We are not allowed to be patriotic without having guilt imposed upon us.

You are an immigrant yourself. Your European ancestors displaced the indigenous people of North America. Subconsciously, perhaps you feel an affinity for immigrants and are therefore programmed to oppose the BNP?

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/declaration.html) includes the clauses:

Recognizing the urgent need to respect and promote the inherent rights of indigenous peoples which derive from their political, economic and social structures
and from their cultures, spiritual traditions, histories and philosophies, especially
their rights to their lands, territories and resources


Convinced that control by indigenous peoples over developments affecting them and their lands, territories and resources will enable them to maintain and strengthen their institutions, cultures and traditions, and to promote their
development in accordance with their aspirations and needs

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:58:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watling,

Let's be intellectually fair and honest here. Do you really think I would condemn Tutu and Mandela, and not condemn Mugabe?!?

I mean, really?

Ok, I say Mugabe is also a racist, and he appers to be a Communist as well (either that, or he is statist solely for the purpose of lining his own pockets, but then that may be a useful definition of Communist as well).

I have sympathy for your feeling as an "indigenous person". You are correct that I don't understand the positions of the BNP because I am an American.

But, look at it from my perspective. As an American, I have evidence right before my very eyes that immigration and assimilation works.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:31:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius,

My last comment has not appeared yet. I assume it will. Ditto for this one.

The indigenous people of North America were outgunned so lost. It took a hundred years or so but they did not prevail.

Imagine a parallel history where American Indians had the firepower and unity to resist the European settlers. Bear in mind that assimilation was impossible because the Europeans did not want to relinquish their culture.

There is no way, assuming that they would have been stronger militarily, that the American Indians could have been quashed like they were in our strand of history. The USA as we know it today would not exist. The indigenous people would be the majority and the culture of North America would reflect that. No McDonalds, no Dunkin Donuts, no rap music.

Now let's return to reality. In Europe we have colonisation by stealth, aided and abetted by whites who are ashamed of their culture. Our indigenous people are being displaced. Cities such as Leicester and Birmingham are predicted to become majority non-indigenous within our lifetimes.

White flight is rampant. Thousands leave the UK every year. Others flee to the suburbs and the countryside. The hypocritical anti-BNP campaigner, Billy Bragg, famously fled "enriched" London for horribly white Dorset.

The fact is that most people - including many of the Marxists who pretend otherwise - don't like being a minority in their own country. You do not have this concept in the US because the suppression and marginalisation of the indigenous people happened well before anyone living there today was born. You don't even need to think about it now if you don't want to. All those battles are just interesting snippets in the history books. Poor old Custer, eh? Anyway, time for a Big Mac.

In Europe we are still strong enough to resist being taken over. It is better to fight back now from a position of strength than to wait until it is too late.

Hence the raison d'être of the BNP.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:14:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are the extremists?the leftwingers want to ban everybody who stand up for the British and god forbid if you are white and want to defend your ways and ideals, the inquisition springs to mind with the response.Who are the boneheads?the language used in your blog does not exactly put you at an enlightened level.The mere way you try to stifle others who do not agree with your so called utopia of multiculture makes you the intolerant ones and the extremists.The left have on numerous occasions shown their true ways with verbal,physical abuse and down right vile tactics.The thugs and knuckle draggers inhabit your politics and continue to get worse.The BNP are improving in image and numbers,the shift of power and the general publics views are changing,get used to it.Slander,lies and threats will get you no where oh learned ones.(Shieldwall-Plymouth)

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:33:00 pm  
Blogger Barnsley Nationalist said...

Pastorius

I notice that many fellow bloggers have tried reasonable debate to no avail, so I am not going to even bother wasting my time. I would however, like you to listen to what I have to say.

We here in Britain have far too many arseholes in power dictating their personal agendas to us and denying us our right of free speech and democracy. The last thing we need is another arsehole from across the pond.

So it would be really nice if you would just keep your nose out of British politics and concentrate on sorting out your own fucking problems.

If it wasn’t for all the links us Nationalists originally gave your blog, nobody in the UK would know you even existed.

Concentrate on fighting the true enemy and return to what your site was originally started for, that’s unless the person who is pulling your strings states otherwise.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:46:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

So ... just who in the UK is going to do something about the rise of Islam here?

New Labour? Errr ... no. They are purely reactive and love Muslims anyway. In November 2006 when Nick Griffin was justly acquitted of trumped-up, politically-motivated race hate charges, Gordon Brown said that he could "look into the laws". i.e. to ensure that anyone criticising Islam gets locked away. Commie twats.

Lib Dems? Do me a favour. They are more pro-Islam, more multiculturalist and more politically correct than New Labour, and won't ever be in power, anyway. Limp-wristed twats.

Tories? They occasionally talk the talk (when they're not hugging a hoodie) but they are as paralysed by political correctness as the other two parties. No chance. Toffee-nosed twats.

You Infidel Bloggers can fantasise that some saviour will emerge from within the ranks of the "mainstream" political parties, who will wave his/her magic wand and banish the Islamists to the deserts of the Middle East whence they came.

It ain't gonna happen. And don't kid yourselves that your blog is making any difference either.

Modern politicians regard the people with contempt, and only pay lip service to democracy.

Quite apart from the fact that politicians are too keen to grab the Muslim vote, they are committed to their Marxist multicultural nightmare, which they are going to impose on us, come what may.

Hence the raison d'être of the BNP.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:09:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

Pastorius,

You seem like a decent fellow, despite the groundless, juvenile nature of the post that lead to this thread, so I will afford you the respect I believe you deserve.

I understand where you're coming from, I just don't feel the same way. Do you 'HATE' me for that?

'Multiculturalism' and 'assimilation' may be a good thing from your window, but I live in a country where Orwell's "1984" is a fact of life; indeed, you can end up in prison for 'thought crimes'.

You acknowledge the fact that, and I quote: "I don't understand the positions of the BNP", yet you post an article to the effect that you HATE them. Were you on drugs when you posted this article, or were you hoping that your readers were?

Did you think that the British people are so far gone that they could not muster a significant response to your unwarranted attack? Because if you did, I think it is fair to say that you didn't expect the high level of articulation, intelligence, restraint and common sense that all BNP commenters have demonstrated on this thread.

I exclude myself from the above because I used the 'N' word....but is there a better word to use when dealing with a nigger?

Far be it for me to speak for all BNP'ers but I did bring some of the wolves to your door, and I don't think they would disagree with me when I say on their behalf that I don't think you are a bad person.

Just an ill-informed one!

As far as I am concerned, this is the end of the matter!

And thanks for not deleting anything!

Regards,

Phil (BFB).

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:44:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,

You don't even have to mention it.


Barnsly Nationalist,
I didn't realize that ALL my Brit readers were BNP people. How did you know that?

If that is true, well then, I'm sorry you guys all got the wrong idea about me, and I'm glad I've made it clear how I feel.

I still don't understand your insistence that immigration is an evil. Rampant unassimilated immigration, and illegal immigration are bad.

However, you must have known some decent people who were not white. Haven't you?


Watling,
Yeah, you'rel right, we beat back the Native Americans (actually a huge percentage of them died of disease).

However, we've had a tremendous amount of immigration ever since, and we've been able to assimilate all those people.

But, you seem to insist that Britain can not assimilate immigrants.

Is that what you're saying?

Why is it that America can and Britain can't?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:14:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Hello to all.
I am truly inspired by the general raising of conciousness that communication and debate has brought about on this thread
I see the beginning of understanding and co-operation between people, and that gives me hope, well more than that, real confidence.
I have found it a bit easier to relate to the way you see things in the US, although I must admit I still have difficulty with American humour. But I am one of those eccentric Brits that most people get on with.
I appreciate especially the other BNP members who have spoken from the heart on here.
I am new around the 'blogosphere' and still have much to learn, my priority is not to nitpick and cause dissent, but to wake people up to the really HORRIFIC threat posed by the sheer Evil of the politically motivated, mindless, fear ridden doctrine of radical Islam!
It matters not what colour or Faith we all are, as long as we remove this threat to Civillisation, together.
Here is a link from that tireless Crusader and Apostate nagistani.

Sorry, got too many programmes running, link to follow,
All the best.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:01:00 pm  
Blogger alanorei said...

I haven't scanned all the above 86 comments but referring to the heading that kicked the discussion off, I note the usual unsubstantiated invective laced with the customary obscentities - like the outburst from the bald-headed, bewhiskered midget screamer we encountered some time back in Durham Road, Stockton-on-Tees while we were leafleting that particular ward.

(He is thought to have been a nulab councillor petrified of having his snout jerked out of the trough by a potential BNP breakthrough. It didn't happen - this time.)

However, I suspect the author of this blog is of the same ilk - with a dash of tabloid pornography thrown in to offset the otherwise uninspiring verbiage of his accumulated postings.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:13:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

"I still don't understand your insistence that immigration is an evil."

I don't recall anyone 'insisting' that 'immigration is an evil'. Save me some time and refer to the comment that you got that notion from!

True, immigration can be good, but if my heighbour waltzed into my house and started to lay down the law I would do what most right-minded house owners would do.

I would ask them politely to leave, and if they refused I would get my favourite baseball bat and Christen it on them! Wouldn't you?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:20:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Yes, I would, BFB. So, who would you ask to leave, and who would you allow to stay? And, upon what criteria would you make those decisions?

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:47:00 pm  
Blogger BFB said...

"I" wouldn't make any decisions. I would put it to the electorate.

Besides, I think you are avoiding the issue; the biggest problem we have in the UK isn't 'immigrants'...it's "illegal immigrants', in that respect I would over-rule the consensus and remove them - by hook or by crook - on the grounds that they are here illegally.

Ie, they are criminals! You don't need a consensus to rid the world of criminals, do you?

Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:14:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,
It only makes sense to remove kick illegal immigrants out of one's country. Our country ought to have done that. The problem we have is there are so many people here illegally, it would be almost impossible to do it anymore.

If only we would start enforcing our border. But, our politicians are dead set against that, apparently.

I don't pretend to understand why.

So, you and I agree on that issue.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:20:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

Pastorius,

It's only just dawned on me that you really do think the BNP (and those of us who support them) are 'white supremacists, don't you? I would normally laugh at the notion, but in your case you really do seem to believe it.

I cannot speak for all BNP voters/supporters/activists but I can speak for myself....and I am NOT a White Supremacist...nor am I a racist, or any other bogey-man you imagine me to be.

Where does that notion come from?

Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:25:00 am  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius:

But, you seem to insist that Britain can not assimilate immigrants.

Is that what you're saying?

Why is it that America can and Britain can't?


Firstly, the USA is a nation of immigrants so compromise and assimilation are inevitable. The indigenous people in your country were marginalised and disenfranchised over a 100 years ago.

Secondly, one of the reasons why we have high levels of immigration in the UK is because the Marxists in power do not require immigrants to assimilate. Immigrants have been told that they can live their own lives, preserve and promote their own cultures, and generally carry on where they left off in their own countries - regardless of whether or not this causes conflict with British people. Where conflict arises, the British are expected to yield.

Our immigrants are mostly here for the money. They are not interested in learning about the Venerable Bede, King Alfred, Hereward the Wake, Magna Carta, Sir Francis Drake, Lord Kitchener, Florence Nightingale or Winston Churchill.

Our government provides funding so that the English-speaking children of immigrants can learn the languages of their parents.

Qat-chewing Somalis here are ignored ("in the US, qat is treated as a schedule-one drug and offenders are severely punished. Most of those prosecuted are not American citizens and, therefore, face deportation as well as incarceration if convicted" - see http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,497716,00.html).

Council literature here is available in many languages. Our prime minister even wished our lovely Muslim population "Eid Mubarak" (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NjnqKUTa8 and try not to vomit).

Our police have agreed to notify "community leaders" (i.e. Muslims) in advance if they are planning a raid in their area. Can you believe that? Can you believe that we have unofficially designated Muslim areas? Do you think the police notify the local priest when they raid a Catholic's house?

If our goverment did not shower immigrants with money but instead insisted that they assimilate (I don't know how this would be enforced, however) then their numbers would, I believe, significantly reduce.

Thirdly, the UK has a much higher population density than the USA. In the UK we have 246 people per square km (this figure includes Scotland, most of which is uninhabitable - in England, where most immigrants settle, the figure is 383); in the USA you have 31 - or 8% of the figure for England.

A lack of space in the UK means that immigrant culture is more in our face than it is in the USA. If a sheep has its throat cut in the street during Eid, people notice.

You have white flight in the USA. Why does this happen if you're all one, big happy family?

Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:33:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius

You run a blog highlighting the horrors of Islam and you wonder why UNCONTROLLED immigration is a bad thing? As if importing a political ideology that hates us and wants to impose its laws upon us, here's some more reasons for you:

1. Allowing people to enter the country and receive state benefits - i.e. sponge off the native people who pay into the system. Free handouts, money for nothing.

2. People who do not speak our language, have no intention of learning it and who therefore place another drain on the social services. The NHS information panphlet Nick Griffin produced in a recent speech has version after version in numerous languages. Is this right? I suggest not.

3. Imposition of alien cultures onto the native culture and rubbishing the native cukture in favour of these cultures, lying about these cultures to do so as well as lying about our own. Eg. Islam, slavery, the Empire.

4. Turning our nation into a dumping ground for third world over population. This makes the problem of over popultaion worse and spreads it.

5. Breaking up communities, destruction of once British areas into areas where hardly any of the indiginous population live.

6. Importing of diseases thought to have been eradicated long ago, particularly TB.

7. Additionally, immigrants also bring along THEIR baggage, THEIR bigotry, THEIR hatred from THEIR histories. Eg: Hindus and Muslims, Muslims and Blacks, Muslims and Jews (See what's happening in France with this) and of course, a problem our countries share, black on black violence and gang culture.

There's more but that is enough for now.

I believe christian-judeo culture has advanced humankind more than any other culture. I also believe it represents the greatest hope for the future, for ALL OUR children. If you want to live in this culture, you integrate fully and you contribute to it. This means speaking the language, working for your living, and REJECTING all alien cultures and religions. If you can't and you want your own way of life, get the hell out of MY country, a country and a way of life that my family fought in two wars for to defend and preserve it.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:44:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watling,
Yes, we have ghettoes in the U.S. There exists the phenemenon of "white flight" from those ghetto areas. However, there are a lot of areas like where I live where people of various races all live in one neighborhood and get along quite fine.

Americans, for the most part, are convinced of the legitimacy and contributions of immigrants. In fact, it seems Brits, for the most part, are as well.

However, in America, we have, as I noted previously in this thread, less Muslims (percentage-wise) and less trouble assimilating those whom we do have. Additionally, we have had a better experience with immigrants than has the UK.

Put those two things together and you have an America which does not fly to parties like the BNP to solve its problems.

Thing is, I see where you guys are coming from, and as I have noted, I understand that many of you BNP people are not racists, but are merely people who want to take care of the problem of Islamification.

My point in criticizing the BNP has always been that the UK needs to invent a new party to deal with the issue, a new party which stands for freedom, equality, and human rights and, as such, also stands against Islamification. If one stands for Human Rights, then one necessarily stands against Islamification.

See here:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/10/advocating-sharia-is-act-of-sedition.html

One thing I have been noting of late is that the Republican Party was only invented 6 years before the American Civil War. Previous to that, Lincoln and those who agreed with him were members of the Whig Party. When the Whig Party proved itself incapable of standing for the American ideal of Freedom protected by the Bill of Rights (in other words, the American ideology), then Lincoln and his friends INVENTED A NEW PARTY TO REPRESENT THEM.

Now, why is it the Brits can not do the same?

You have the mechanism; the Center for Vigilant Freedom. You only lack the vision.

Of course, you Watling are not an Abraham Lincoln (nor am I), but as decent citizens and human beings it is still our responsibility to live up to our ideals and not to be ground down into the dust of immorality like the Muslims.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:54:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymnous,

I don't wonder why "UNCONTROLLED" immigration is a bad thing. I can't expect you to read through this whole comments thread, but I have said repeatedly that I think immigration past a certain (as yet undefined) percentage of the total population over a short period of time (once again, yet undefined) is a danger to an ordered society.

It is clear to me, from having spent time in the UK, that your major cities past this undefined number quite a while ago, and little assimilation is possible at this point. The immigrants have their ghettoes and they have little motivation to assimilate.

You guys do have a real problem. Of that, there is no doubt.

Additionally, I want to make it clear that I have my doubts that Muslims can, at all, be expected to assimilate. That is not to say that there are not decent human beings who happen to define themselves as Muslims. I have known such people personally. However, it seems that, wherever one goes in the world, if Muslims are asked the question, "Do you want Sharia law imposed here?" 25-45% of the Muslims polled will respond, "Yes."

Therefore, it seems apparenet that Muslims immigration is ALWAYS dangerous.

That does not mean that all immigration is dangerous. It seems quite clear to me that Indian Hindus, and Japanese, Chinese, Viet Namese Buddhists, and South American Catholics, and African Protestants make decent and fine immigrants.

I live among such people, and I have no trouble getting along with them.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:02:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius

Care to comment then on "white flight" (Detroit for example), which has now turned to "black flight" and why the KKK are now threatening to return to lynchings if the police don't protect white kids from black racist violence, unfair justice and media bias?

Why no mention of the hispanics and why spanish is going to become the main language in your country?

As for your last point, I too have no probelm with immgrants who embrace our culture and contribute. But all too often, they want what they can get from us whilst maintaining their own cultures demanding tolerance and screaming "racist!" to anyone who wants to preserve their own culture. Instead, it is being diluted. For what?

The Japanese are steadfastly refusing to accept immigration because they refuse to dilute their culture. Why should we dilute ours? Give me one good reason.

The loss of my culture is what drove me to the BNP and as I say, they have other excellent policies aside from immigration that deserve respect and attention.

Your disgraceful headline shames you. You've dived into the same gutter inhabited by your opponents who use the same gutter tactics against your criticisms of Islam.

But know this: it also gives me more strength to fight and more confidence in the BNP.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:08:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Good for you, Anonymous. You are free to do as you will, right?

I have spent my free time the past few days addressing questions put forth by BNP members. I don't think many of you have addressed the questions that I have put forth to you.

That's pathetic.

If you really want the UK to be a culture which is as racist as the culture of Japan, well then, go for it. See if you win. Maybe you will, and then you will be a happy person.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:17:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your questions have been more than answered, there is a lot of evidence posted here about why we support the BNP and how things are in our country.

Interesting that you refer to Japan as racists. Does that mean any people who don't want to dilute their culture with immigration are racists?

Just can't help yourself can you? What can we expect next? We FUCKING hate the Japs? That seems to be the way you treat people who disgaree with your multicultural eutopia, unless they're black, then the silence is deafening. Mind you, as you are an American with no discernable culture of your own perhaps expecting you to understand the issues raised by the BNP to defend our rich culture steeped in its magnificent history was a bit much.

People like you, with your one-sided insults to those who disagree with you are nothing more than fascists, resorting to ad hominem to avoid facing the truth.

I wish you well with your fight against Islam and I hope the war between the Hispanics and the Blacks doesn't interfere with your cosy little world.

Chin chin old boy, as we Brits say.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:33:00 pm  
Blogger MrSmith said...

I wonder what the people commenting here would make of the discussion at Gates of Vienna about whether groups like the BNP getting into power would be a good idea, to prevent civil war. It's the 'Seeing Things' post. Also, Fjordman has posted a little something on Racism, Multiculturalism, and the US at Gates of Vienna. Click here to read that.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:41:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius:

My point in criticizing the BNP has always been that the UK needs to invent a new party to deal with the issue, a new party which stands for freedom, equality, and human rights and, as such, also stands against Islamification. If one stands for Human Rights, then one necessarily stands against Islamification.

[...]

Lincoln and his friends INVENTED A NEW PARTY TO REPRESENT THEM.

Now, why is it the Brits can not do the same?


Our mainstream parties are already big on Human Rights.

It is Human Rights which are causing a lot of our problems.

You see, those rights also extend to murderers and rapists. And to Muslims.

For example, we cannot deport an Italian murderer back to Italy because it would "breach his human right to a family life" (see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2295841.ece).

We cannot deport a Muslim serial sex offender back to Africa for the same reason (see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/31/noffender131.xml).

What do these cases have in common? The judge who blocked the deportations is the husband of a New Labour minister.

I'm afraid, the fact that Human Rights are vigorously supported here by the Marxists in power (and their chums and spouses in the judiciary) does not mean that Islamists are curtailed.

The prevailing doctrine in the UK is that minority groups have permanent victim status. That is why Muslims were able to hold up placards in central London which read "Behead those who insult Islam". That is clear incitement to murder yet the police stood by and watched.

Abu Hamza was allowed to preach hate for years in a London street in full view of the police, whose response was to stop people interfering with the sermon.

We even had the wife of the prime minister defending a Muslim schoolgirl's "right" to dress in the niqab (a full-length garment including the hijab), because to deny her would breach her human rights, despite the fact that the garment was not allowed under the school's dress code.

Now do you see what we're up against?

Any hypothetical new party which stood against Islamification would immediately be denounced as racist, and would never get off the ground.

Yes, I know Islam is not a race, but our government does not care about such details. They tried to convict Nick Griffin of race hate for criticising Islam.

The BNP already advocates freedom, equality, and human rights. But those values must apply to all, not just to minority groups, which is the case at the moment. The BNP wants a return to common sense, where foreign criminals are deported instead of being given compensation (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=421230&in_page_id=1770)

If you really want the UK to be a culture which is as racist as the culture of Japan ...

Why is it racist to want to protect your culture and preserve your identity? Japan is already heavily populated, in any case. Why would they want immigrants there, especially as they've seen what unchecked immigration is doing to Western nations?

If I ever visit Japan then I don't want it to look like the USA, or the UK or Nigeria. I want to feel that I am in Japan.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:45:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm voting BNP because I just don't want to see Britain and the British End up like this.

http://dojgauleg.blogspot.com/

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:47:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watling,
Once again, I sympathize with your problems. You are correct that "Human Rights" is used as a guise to protect the immorality of criminals and Islamofascists, but you and I both know that that is not truly what Human Rights are about.

We know it, because it is the Truth, and there is Truth in this world.

I am not a Postmodernist. I am not a "Communist" (as one of these "Anonymous'" seems to think). I am not a relativist.

I believe that there is Truth and I believe we human beings have access to it.

So, let us state the Truth. Human Rights does not stand for the killing of Apostates, Adulterers and Homosexuals. Anyone who does stand for that stands in antipathy to Human Rights. In fact, as they advocate for Sharia in a Western Country, they are advocating sedition, and they ought to be tried and hung.

And, just for your information, I get, probably, 5-10 emails a day calling me a racist, a hater, a Nazi, and/or a fascist. So, I know what it's like.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:35:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Hello Pastorius,
I think that most of us agree that your heart is in the right place.
I have signed up with the
Friends of Israel project
http://reborn-by-design.com/if-project.html
We need to stick together against Islam whatever differences we may have!

Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:46:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius amd Red Squirrel

FFS, are you serious?

You say you get 5-10 emails a day calling you a nazi yet you post an article entitled "we FUCKING hate BNP" You dispicable hypoctrite!

RS, wake the fuck up, this clown is a white hater, a fucking fascist stop kissing his ignorant arse.

Pastorius, take your Islamic fight to America and keep your fucking racism out of British issues you ignorant yank fuck.

You only see Islamic hatred, to black and other racial hatred, you're an ignorant fascist, no better than the other cowardly apologists who are too shit scared to fight for their own culture.

Wake the fuck up to what is going on in your own country you blind fool, the blacks have declared open season on crackers. And the spics have declared war on blacks. This is multiculral bliss?

Like fuck it is.

Great post about SA anon, hope it wakes more decent folk up to the black menace so evident in both the UK and the US, as well as SA and Zimbabwe, despite shitbag pastorius' denials.

You want to fight for your culture Pastorius, then fight all those who threaten it, from the marxists to the blacks to the filthy Muslims. All of them are a threat, you're either defending your culture or your part of the cancers eating it.

Enough is enough, we either fight them all or we lose and we die like cowards. Your choice crusader, your choice. But fighting one threat while you accomodate another is cowardice, it's appeasement in its worst form and it won't solve the problem, which is the destruction of white culture. The paedo-worshippers are just one head of a seven headed serpent.

I for one look forward to civil war and kicking every raghead, every black, every bastard filthy marxist, all of whom have pissed all over my culture, out of Britain so we can re-build our culture.

Time for talk is over, now is the time for action. The consequesnces of not acting now are too horrible to contemplate. They want war, fine let's give it to them.

Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:57:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous conflates race with ideology. People can be good no matter what race they come from. People can be bad no matter what race they come from. I am a friend to those who I believe to be good, and I am not a friend to those who I believe to be bad.

Red Squirrel, and some of the other BNP commenters sound like decent people to me. Anonymous here, and some of the others seem to either have a problem with bigotry, or a problem with logic. I don't really know which.

Friday, November 02, 2007 12:58:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Red Squirrel,
Glad to hear you joined the Friends of Israel.

I am not Jewish by the way. A lot of people think I am because I publish on the subject of Israel quite a bit. The reason I do so is because I think the Jews have been treated like shit, and because I think Israel is the major faultline of the War against Islamofascism.

Anyway, Red Squirrel, a few years back there was a website called The Modern Tribalist, or something like that, and they used to link to my writing quite a bit. They were basically a group of men who believed that our cultures were going to return to their racist roots. I guess they thought I agreed with them because I was so willing to speak out against Islam.

That surprised me. Here's the thing, I am a lifelong member of the Democratic Party. Therefore, I am a little bit right of your Labor Party. Truth is, in the years since 9/11 I've come to identify more with Repubkicans and Libertarians. In fact, I write for what is for all intents and purposes, a Libertarian blog:

www.astuteblogger.blogspot.com

My point in bringing up the Modern Tribalist thing is that, for a long time many of my allies have been people that I really don't agree with. It is very strange for me. I don't agree with your allies at the BNP, and yet my old leftie friends think I am the racist.

Heh.

I stand somewhere in the middle of all of it sticking as much as I can to the original principles in which I have always believed. Meanwhile, my old leftie friends are willing to accept all manner of bigotry and medievalism from Muslims.

It's disgusting. They call me a racist and a Nazi, and yet they are willing to accept shit from the real Nazis of our Earth; the Islamofascists.

I think I'll just stick to what I believe in. If it means I'm almost totally alone when the war finally starts, well then, I'll be alone. I'll be a lone American standing in his front yard with his gun saying, "Keep the fuck off my property."

;-)

Friday, November 02, 2007 1:11:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorius

You just don't get it. Not only do you deny that race is important and that there are differences between races, you also think the left tolerates Islam because of tolerance and diversity. Christ how many times do we hear these two excuses from them?

But the truth is that they tolerate Islam because they hate the west and want to destroy it. Hence the lies and the constant attack on traditional values and western history. They're even trying to downgrade Christmas and promote Eid obver here now because we aren't a Christian country anymore.

As for bigorty, you claim to be a Christian and you post a headline of hate. And again, it's only bigotry when people disagree with multiculturalism. You totally miss the point, probably because you are American, that too many immigrants from too many alien cultures dilutes the native culture. FFS man, white people will be a minority in their own cities.

People who integrate - are these who you mean when you say "good people" I have no problem with. But to trample on the indiginous people and replace their culture with alien cultures is wrong and it isn't racicist or bigotted to stand up for your culture when it is attacked in this way.

I notice you haven't responded to the issue about the KKK re-introducing lynchings because of escalting black on white racist crime. Care to comment?

Friday, November 02, 2007 9:40:00 am  
Blogger watling said...

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Friday, November 02, 2007 12:14:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius,

My view on human rights is tempered with common sense. The trouble is, common sense no longer seems to be universal.

It used to be common sense that criminals enjoy fewer human rights than law-abiding citizens.

Cultural Marxism has changed that, to the extent that, for example, Muslim prisoners can claim that their human rights have been violated because their lunch menu offered ham as an option.

You've obviously experienced a little electronic anti-Islamophobia, which anyone who criticises Islam in cyberspace qualifies for. But I'm guessing that the Muslims and the leftist thugs don't know where you live.

People such as Nick Griffin, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc. have all publicly declared their opposition to Islamism and the jihadists. I expect all have received death threats. It's a brave man/woman who speaks out publicly against Islam.

Nick Griffin travels to events with a security team. During his trial in November 2006 he had 8 guys protecting him. Every time he goes out he has to look over his shoulder, just in case there's a crazed Muslim or leftist psycho in the vicinity. Could you live like that? We all know what happened to Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh in the Netherlands.

You might loathe Nick Griffin for some of his views (although I suspect that you've been fed a load of leftist propaganda about him) but doesn't a tiny part of you admire him for daring to show his anti-Islamic colours in public? Deep down, don't you feel a little encouraged that people such as he exist, because without him and the BNP there would be next to no opposition to Islamification in the UK?

I certainly don't agree with all that Anonymous (why doesn't he/she get a proper name?) says. I believe that races are different - not superior or inferior - just different. I would really like to believe that blacks are no more disposed to criminality and violence than whites, but the evidence suggests otherwise.

London's chief of police said that most muggers in London are black. That was not his opinion; it was a factual statement based on crime statistics.

In the UK we have a specialist police initiative - called Operation Trident - which is dedicated to investigating gun crime in the black community. There is no such equivalent initiative for addressing gun crime in the White, Chinese, Asian - or dare I say it (!) - Muslim communities.

You have black gettos in the USA, as you've acknowledged. According to the FBI's web site, blacks in the USA are more than 8 times more likely to commit murder or manslaughter than whites. Note that "whites" here includes hispanics.

We can put our heads in the sand and pretend that all races are identical under the skin, but they clearly are not. Does it make me a racist for saying what we all know to be true?

You might be interested to learn that the BNP has Jewish members, including a Jewish councillor.

Yes - Nick Griffin did question the scale of the Holocaust. That was 8 years ago. He has since changed his stance.

Yes - he did speak at the 2005 International European American Conference. However, what you will not read over at Little Green Footballs is what he said there. According to this web site, the BNP differs in policy from white American groups: "The fact is that all of the racial populist parties have policies with which we in the National Alliance [an American group] do not agree. For example, in the British National Party's case, allowing Jews to become members and not insisting on compulsory repatriation for all non-White immigrants"

So, the BNP would not send back immigrants, regardless of where they came from.

The Labour Party used to have a policy of unilateral nuclear disarmament; now they're looking to upgrade our nuclear defences. People and their opinions change in the light of experience. I used to be a Labour supporter! Then I came to my senses.

Friday, November 02, 2007 12:18:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
You keep making the same mistake with me. I almost don't want to address your posts to me, because of two reasons:

1) You never answer my questions to you ( and no, pointing me to the BNP website is not sufficient, because I am asking YOU what YOU think)

2) You think that I am a typical leftie. For instance here you say that I believe the left likes Islam because of "tolerance." Bullshit. I never said that, and I don't believe it.

But, you know what, I do believe in tolerance and diversity. I just don't believe that those things can exist in an Islamic society, and I think that Islamic people ought to live in their own countries, because they don't show any desire to want to live in a diverse and tolerant West.

I'm sure now, Mr. Anonymous, you will make some other mistake in understanding what I have just written, and you will now accuse me of being some other thing which is way off the mark.

I will not answer anymore of your questions or accusations, and in fact, I will delete all further comments from you, because of the above two reasons.

If you don't want a discussion, then away with you.

Friday, November 02, 2007 1:53:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watling,
You said: "People such as Nick Griffin, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc. have all publicly declared their opposition to Islamism and the jihadists."


I say: Yes, and that is why I admire all those people. But, I can admire someone and still think they are wrong. I also think that Robert Spencer is wrong. I think he is a Cassandra. I think it is inevitable that the West will win. I think Freedom, advised by the Judeo-Christians morality, will always win out over its oppoenents. I think that is exactly why the West is on such a long winning streak.


You also bring up the issue of black crime, and you say that blacks are more "disposed" to commit crime. The statistics prove that is true. The question is, are blacks more "predisposed" to commit crime. On that question I could not give you an answer. I don't think anyone truly knows the answer to that question.

Is economics a factor, intelligence, societal racism, corporate or institutional racism, etc.?

I don't know, but I suspect that all those things do play a part in the way blacks have behaved in the United States, and in the West in general.

On the other hand, look at how bad the Jews have had it in the past, and look how well they have behaved, and how much they have succeeded.

Now, the question is, do Jews behave better because they are less predisposed to crime than blacks, or do they behave better because their religious and cultural traditions are stronger and better?

I believe it is the latter. I believe the cultural traditions of Jews are stronger and better than those of blacks. Note, I say "believe", not know, because, as I said, I don't think anyone truly knows the answer to this question.


You say: "In the UK we have a specialist police initiative - called Operation Trident - which is dedicated to investigating gun crime in the black community. There is no such equivalent initiative for addressing gun crime in the White, Chinese, Asian - or dare I say it (!) - Muslim communities."


I say: Well, I hope the whites, Chinese, etc. communities start aquiring guns, because you are going to need them.


You say: "Yes - Nick Griffin did question the scale of the Holocaust. That was 8 years ago. He has since changed his stance."


I say: Sadly, he has also agreed to speak at two Holocaust Revisionist Conferences in the United States in recent weeks.

Now, he could be doing this to drum up support for his new "stance" but if that is his purpose, it does not seem the best way to go about it.


And, you say Nick Griffin said: For example, in the British National Party's case, allowing Jews to become members and not insisting on compulsory repatriation for all non-White immigrants"


I say: Well, that is good to hear. I think he ought to cut off ALL association with all other racist parties then.

Yes, people and parties do change. And, unilateral disarmament is almost as stupid an idea as the idea that the races should live separately.

Touche! You made a good point there, Watling.

Friday, November 02, 2007 2:14:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watling

May I make something perfectly clear: I have not stated the one race is superior to another and I repeat, if a person comes to the UK to embrace our culture and contribute, fine. I believe my culture is superior - were it not no one would want to emigrate here - and I strongly believe it should be the dominant culture in our country. Instead, it is being eaten away by the cancers of Islam, multiculturaslism and marxism. That is wrong.

The Fjordman article posted above by Mr Smith clearly illustrates what is going on - in the USA as well as Europe - and I wll sign off from this debate by reposting the link in case anyone missed it:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/11/little-green-footballs-and-racism-in.html

Friday, November 02, 2007 2:18:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,

I was wrong to say I would delete all further comments from you. But, I won't address questions, if my questions are not addressed.

Friday, November 02, 2007 2:24:00 pm  
Blogger watling said...

For an independent (is anyone truly independent?) assessment of the UK establishment's attitude to the BNP, see The BNP has rights too

Friday, November 02, 2007 4:50:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Hello to all!
I haven't been following this thread since I posted my last comment.
What on earth are these marxist lunatics, liberals and other assholes up to in the US universities. I am in shock! WTF is this? White racial suicide? I am glad that I came back!
I had missed the earlier link in your posts Mr Smith,anonymous and watling, concerning fjordsman's post,
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/11/little-green-footballs-and-racism-in.html.
Fjordman states:-
" The blogger, Vanishing American notes that some university courses now present whites as more or less genetically evil: It’s everywhere."

The link below is pure Marxist- Nazism!
From the Editors of Race Traitor Magazine, who say:-
"The white race is a historically constructed social formation"
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/traitor.htm.
It's worse than I thought!
How could anyone now quibble about how 'racist' Nick Griffin is or isn't?
Got to go out, and let all this sink in!
Well I am never going to let anyone make ME feel guilty for being White, AND Proud!

Friday, November 02, 2007 7:40:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pastorious,You are seriously deluded if you think the "west will win"...win what exactly?Europe is changing,mass migration ensures the breakdown of white christian culture and its racialist control.I suggest you book a sightseeing tour to the uk and witness for yourself the dilution of British culture and control.The seeds were planted years ago and today they flourish,Islam is the new Britain it's not a fantasy it's reality thanks to the Brits themselves.

They have no one else to blame but themselves ,they realise their rhetoric is a lost cause but take solace in believing they are campaigning for their future whilst secretly knowing it is too late.It's the "i told you so" scenario,if it makes them feel better,ie they at least tried but failed and it's inevitable numbers count and they don't have them.

Friday, November 02, 2007 9:26:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
Are you British? Do you live in the UK? Are you making a plan to lose?

If not, then get up and fight. That's how you win.

Our culture is better than theirs, so if we fight, we win.

Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:07:00 am  
Blogger watling said...

Pastorius said:

Sadly, [Griffin] has also agreed to speak at two Holocaust Revisionist Conferences in the United States in recent weeks

Do you have any details about these events?

unilateral disarmament is almost as stupid an idea as the idea that the races should live separately

Are you suggesting that we should force races to live together even if they don't want to? Your implied notion that the races can live together and mingle without any problems is flawed.

I agree that logically the races should be able to intermingle without conflict, but human beings are emotional creatures, not robots. Birds of a feather flock together. Why do black gettos exist if the races co-exist in harmony? Why did the Jews want a Jewish homeland? Why do the Palestinians want one now? Ditto the Kurds and the Basques? Why is black majority rule important in South Africa?

If the races intermingle so well, why is Manhattan's Lower East Side known as a Jewish area? Ditto for London's GOlders Green? Why are there so many Poles concentrated in Ealing in London? Why is London's Southall predominantly Asian, whereas Harlesden, Tottenham, Peckham and Brixton are known as black areas?

Why is there a Chinatown in London and San Francisco? If the USA were a true melting pot there would be no black or hispanic gettos, and no Jewish areas. There would be no Amish communities in Pennsylvania, nor would there be American Indian reservations.

Why in the UK do we have distinct black gangs and Asian gangs? I daresay we have white gangs too. Sure, some mixed gangs exist, but they are rare. Thanks to recent immigration we now also have Kurdish gangs, Somalian gangs, Albanian gangs and Romanian gangs.

Why are ice cream vans in the UK exclusively run by Italians? Why are UK cannabis factories almost exclusively run by the Vietnamese? Why do Australians (not a separate race, I know) gather in London's Earl's Court?

Do not assume that the alleged racial harmony you experience in the USA - a nation of immigrants where the indigenous people were crushed long ago - can be applied to countries which still have a majority indigenous population.

I recall seeing a black South African boxing fan being interviewed some years ago. A black American (I forget who - possibly Stan Ward) was due to fight Gerry Coetzee, who is a white South African. The fan wanted the American to win because "he is my black brother".

Sorry, Pastorius. Emotional attachment beats logic.

Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:52:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

You know what?

As far as I can tell, I am absolutely wrong. Nick Griffin is not speaking at any Holocaust Denial Conference, and has not spoken at any recently.

I got him confused with David Irving, and a couple of other stories about Holocaust Deniers in the United States.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:10:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

With regards to all your questions about ghettoes and various neighborhoods, I will say this:

1) New York City is among the most racist places in the United States. Interestingly, much of our media is based in New York City. Thus, a lot of our news, and humor is race-based, and sometimes outright racist. For instance, were it not for the fact that the media came out of NYC, no one would pay attention to a fool like Al Sharpton. No one would make a movie like Good Fellas (in which everyone fits a racial stereotype).

2) ghettoes are what happens when people can not assimilate. Ghettoes in the U.S. have traditionally been havens for first-generation immigrants, and blacks who find themselves ostracized from our society by generational moral degradation. Hey, maybe I'm too middle class, but I get along with people of various races, and most people I know do as well.

3) You are correct that people are emotional creatures and not purely reason-based. My opinion is we ought to expect people to behave morally in our society. Human beings have a choice of whether to be like animals ruled by instincts, or whether to act more in accordance with the God who created them.

Which would you rather promote?

I understand the trust issues involved. Can we trust others to behave well? Do we want to take the chance that they will not? What will happen if our children grow up to be influenced by people who do not behave well?

Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You could not just say that you don’t vote for the BNP and that your certainly not linked to them. Are you still wondering why your reader hit meter is rapidly dropping? Your not the brightest spark are you?

www.IanMacNb.net

Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:30:00 pm  
Blogger Infidel K9 said...

A very interesting and balanced thread,well done to all who commented

A closer look at Racism, or the price of giving in to terror ILLUSTRATED P.I.G TO ISLAM

Monday, January 14, 2008 5:12:00 pm  
Anonymous 16 YEAR OLD GIRL said...

OKAY SO I WENT TO THE PROTEST IN LEEDS CITY CENTER YESTERDAY AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THE 'BNP' ( BRITIS NATIONAL PRICKS) ARE INSANE. THEY STOOD OUTSIDE OF HMV TRYING TO PROTEST AGAINS BLACK RAP MUSIC BEIN SOLD. WELL TO HELL WITH THEM. THEY WANT TO MAKE A SUPERIOR RACE, INWHICH THEY WILL 'EXTERMINATE' ANYONE THAT US NOT UP TO THERE STANDARDS. THERE WAS A HUNDREDS OF US, AND ABOUT TWN OF THEM. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THE SUFFERING AND TORTURE THEY GOT FROM GIT HEAD NAZIZ AND FASHISTS, THEY CAN STAND THERE AND MAKE JOKES ABOUT IT. WELL THEY NEED A TASTE OF THERE OWN MEDICINE. THEY ARE HEARTLESS,RACEIST UNWANTED FASHISTS AND ARE THE FILTH OF SOCIETY. WE ARE PROUD OF OUR MULTIULTRAL COUNTRY AND NOTHING THEY CAN DO CAN STOP IT. I CAN HONESTLY NOT BRING MYSELF TO BELIEVE THAT ONE HUMAN BEING CAN STAND THERE AND HONTLY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DICRIMATE AND TERRORISE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. WHATS WORSE IS THEY CALL THEMSELFES CRISTIANS.GOD PLACES EVERYOBDY UNDER THE EARTH AS EQUALS AND UNDER NO LAW DID HE STATE THAT ONE HUMAN BEING HAS A RIGHT TO THINK THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHER HUMANS. THEY ARE REVOLTING FASHISTS. WHATS WORSE IS CHILDREN ABOUT 5 YEARS OLD WERE PROTESTING WITH THERE PARENTS (bnP MORONS) AND WILL GROW UP WITH NASTY VISHIOUS VIEWS. THEY NEED TO GO, NEED TO GO AND GET A LIFE.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:15:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

LOL. I thought that this thread had fizzled out long ago, and I even forgot to unsubscribe to it.
Hence my amusement when the link popped up in my email.
16 year old girl:-do yourself a favour and learn to at least spell before spouting your inane rubbish!
As the link below will illustrate it was not the BNP protesting in Leeds yesterday, it was the BPP. (British Peoples Party) And they do have a point I think. " Racist Rap incites Hatred against Whites", which it does.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:21:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

OOps. forgot to provide the link:-
http://www.bpp.org.uk/18thleeds.html

Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:29:00 pm  
Blogger Infidel K9 said...

16 YEAR OLD GIRL said.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THE SUFFERING AND TORTURE THEY GOT FROM GIT HEAD NAZIZ AND FASHISTS,

Five little tips

#1 Its not polite to shout (unlock the caps)

#2 Try and write in english instead of Nigga/Pakki rap slang

#3 If you can read, read Leon Uris book Exodus, and see how the English treated the Jews while the memory of the holocaust was still fresh

#4 I, as a British nationalist suggest you do not forget men Wilberforce, Thomas Clarkson and Granville Sharp.

#5 There are girls younger than yourself being drugged and gang raped by Pakistanis

Friday, November 14, 2008 7:46:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Hello all, and especially Pastorius,
My Main blogspace and it's connected spaces are becoming more Internationally focused, as we all face the same enemy!
Yes I support the BNP and will continue to do so; It is important to support others who are living under tyranny or threat of extinction is it not?
I certainly do NOT follow dead, and outworn dictatorships I support Freedom of Speech and the right of self determination of all other Nations.A person's colour means little to me. OK?
In Peace,
RS

Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:18:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Sounds good to me. I've always said, I believe there are many BNP members who are not racists, and would like the party to drop all that arcana.

I've seen you around on other blog's comments threads recently.

We write on other topics here, besides our dislike of the BNP. You might glean some useful information from those posts.

Heck, you are likely to even find some of your friends already hang out here.

Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:45:00 pm  
Blogger rockykhanwilliams said...

I hate the bnp, i have been doing a lot of research on them lately and the policies make me sick to the bone. im almost 14 and 1/4 pakistani. i am not muslim, or anything other religion. i was reading through some other comments and the term islamofacism i am not 100% sure on what it exactly means but i guess its some anti islamic thing
you say you hate the bnp but also dont like muslims? SURELY NOT LIKING BNP WOULD MAKE YOU MORE ACCEPTING?
whats in the colour of your skin
WHAT DIFFERENT DOES IT REALLY MAKE?
just because i am pakistani does this mean i am going to blow you up with some bombs, NO so stop putting us in a category, we are all different.
you cannot say all islamic people are bad.
i have met some amazing muslims in my life.

now i know where your coming from, like saying white discrimination but it just doesnt happen on the scale the asain/black etc racism happens

i would know i have had a lot of it and i am sure others like me have too but if u ask a white person if they have ever been subject to racism i am sure they would say no!

now please why cant we all just get along

its things like the bnp which make me un proud to be british!

Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:09:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Rocky Khan Williams,

You said: i am not 100% sure on what it exactly means but i guess its some anti islamic thing
you say you hate the bnp but also dont like muslims? SURELY NOT LIKING BNP WOULD MAKE YOU MORE ACCEPTING?
whats in the colour of your skin
WHAT DIFFERENT DOES IT REALLY MAKE?
just because i am pakistani does this mean i am going to blow you up with some bombs, NO so stop putting us in a category, we are all different.


I say: Yes, I believe Muslims are all different. That's why I distinguish Islamofascists from Muslims.

And Islamofascist is a Muslim who believes he must kill Infidels for the sake of Allah.

A Muslim could be a fine person. It is up to him as an individual to define himself.

By the way, my objection to the BNP is that they are racist.

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

Religion, as I have said repeatedly, is one of the power institutions that make up the power structure of a society. Like the media, the politicians, and the Academic institutions, religions must be criticized. if they are not criticized, then they have unbridled power.


You said: if u ask a white person if they have ever been subject to racism i am sure they would say no!


I say: I would not say "no." I have been beat up because of the color of my skin. I have been cursed at for the color of my skin. And, I have had racial epithets hurled at me.

I am a white person living in America. We are not immune to racism.

By the way, as a white person (in case you have not fully read through this thread) I am a minority in my own family. On Holidays when we all get together, there are three white people in a room of 25-30 brown-skinned people.

I have no problem with people of color.

But, I do have a problem with Musims who believe it is the will of Allah that they either kill, dhimmify of convert me.

I hope that is understandable to you.

If not, then frankly, you are no better than the BNP.

Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24:00 pm  
Blogger Epona said...

Hall9 Pastorius, this tread goes on and on it seems:-)

"I have no problem with people of color.",

Neither do I and I am BNP, and my daughter is half Indian and she voted BNP because she is British!

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:39:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Epona,
I understand. And, I sympathize with the British people that they have no better party to represent their interests than the BNP.

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:49:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

I'm glad you understand me Pastorius, I like you. Fortunately most BNP members are similar to me:-)

Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:32:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Well, I'm sure there are a lot of people like you. But, I could not know whether most are like you. I do not live in the UK. So, I can only go by what I read.

I have read articles in mainstream papers which give account of the stories of people who have joined the BNP, and it is obvious to me that there are many like you.

The BNP Ballerina story comes to mind.

Friday, June 12, 2009 12:08:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

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Friday, June 12, 2009 8:02:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Is this for real ?! This is still going as are the BS denials!? I despite coming from a family that has served Britain for over a hundred years, cannot become a member of the Bnp because of my skin colour...despite being born here. All of you who deny the Bnp is a racist party are lying. They are, and you know it. All of these so called brown skinned people voting Bnp....It's funny, because you never ever hear from them. They only ever exist in a 2nd or 3rd person context....probably because they don't really exist. In the words of Griffin, as a black British person I don't exist and I cannot join the Bnp because I am not white. Double talk all over, just like the Bnp have managed to convince a very SMALL portion of the disalousend working classes that the Bnp is actually of the Left...not the far Right. As for alternatives....Pastorious there are a Ton of alternative parties....If Bnp voters really were against racism (which they are not, as it is a core Bnp policy) they would for example investigate the English Democrats....who have a very similar message to the Bnp re immigration etc....yet completely and totally reject Ethno-Nationalistic Racism....

But then again.....nothing beats that good old fashioned,down home, type of old time racism that the Bnp offers...and that is the real draw for it's supporters.

Frankly I feel like a German Jew watching the Nazi's coming to power....with the assistance of American loans. Pastorious, don't let these monsters sweet talk you, there are alternatives to the Bnp. People who choose to vote or support them are drawn to them SPECIFICALLY because of their racism.

Friday, June 12, 2009 8:11:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watcher, I know nothing about the English Democrats, and you never brought them up before.

Watcher, do you think the "BNP Ballerina" is a racist? Do you know about her? It is pretty clear to me that she is not a racist. And yet, in interviews she explains that she feels she has to be a member of the BNP because it is the only party which has a chance to make the changes that need to be made.

As I said, "I do not live in the UK. So, I can only go by what I read. "

It's not a matter of anyone sweet-talking me. Why don't you go over to the front page and read the two articles I have put up on the BNP in the past couple of days.

I have not changed my stance. I've always said (in fact, look through this thread) that I simply do not believe that everyone who votes BNP is a racist.

Could you provide me with some info on the English Democrats?

Friday, June 12, 2009 2:31:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Watcher,
Frankly, I'm a bit irritated by your admonishment of me. Apparently, you do not read this site anymore. Instead, apparently, you just subscribe to the comments in this thread which is well over a year old.

Here are the posts I've done in the past few days on the BNP.

Please read them and get back to me:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-bnp.html

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/06/bill-will-ban-white-only-bnp.html

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/06/there-are-racists-who-are-ok-with-jews.html

Friday, June 12, 2009 2:35:00 pm  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Hi Pastorius,
I have some info on the English Democrats, unfortunately. It would be great if they were for real..
http://swindonnationalists.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-government-want-to-destroy-our.html
Sorry about the long URL, I hope it works; I have just eaten a large meal and feel like lying down..

Friday, June 12, 2009 7:52:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the majority of british people who are hard working and sick and tired of being told that immigration is a good thing! i live in an area in the north west where muslims live a completly seperate existance to the normal british population if you come to our country you should embrace our values sadly this is not the case if you are white you cannot walk through these area's on your own for your onw safety and many people are regularly attacked in these muslim no go area's the argument that they do the job's we wont just does'nt stand up many have big family's where they no they can sit back and let the benefit's roll in they can earn much more sat at home trhan working like the rest of us i am not racist but why does our government bend over backwards to give these workshy muslims house's benefit's and much more than any normal white working class person? this is a national outrage and the british people will not stand for it much longer. that's why people are supporting the bnp in record numbers we can't go on paying our tax's for workshy muslim's to sit at home with lot's of children letting the benefit's roll in. i no of a case were a muslim family saved enough of their benefit's to afford a corner shop! this is true people should not be able to save a fortune because they have lots of children and the parent's on benefits as well this is wrong and a clear abuse of the system but sadley its just the tip of the iceberg! some muslim's im sure do work hard for their money but in the area where i come from this is the exception, the majority just act like baby making machines because they see another child as a pound sign because of the benefit's, something need's to be done! muslim's have every right to their religion but if you want to live in our country they should be made to embrace certain british values not just stay segregated for generations picking up the free benefit's this is a national disgrace and the british people are waking up to this!

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:34:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oy Pastorius,
Dont go dissing the muslims okay. whats that got to do with the all BNP issue. the bnp are jokes.islam has got nothing to do with it.

Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:50:00 pm  

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