tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post114066191326944830..comments2024-03-28T14:32:19.334+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: CAIR: "Freedom of speech is not absolute"Pastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140735951434609112006-02-23T23:05:00.000+00:002006-02-23T23:05:00.000+00:00mark, that's what I wrote to them pretty much. But...mark, that's what I wrote to them pretty much. But until I manage to get Ibrahim Hooper photoshopped as a nun, I may not mail them again....<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Epa..there's a dream of mine that you could bring to reality...HAHAHA! And what about my dress exactly? Hmm?Kiddohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626502212185158978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140727705213568162006-02-23T20:48:00.000+00:002006-02-23T20:48:00.000+00:00That's where CAIR is absolutely wrong. Freedom of ...That's where CAIR is absolutely wrong. Freedom of expression is nothing if not absolute. You either have it, or you don't. If you don't, then censorship is imposed. Then you don't have it anymore. Voila CAIR! Voila!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140703156529102482006-02-23T13:59:00.000+00:002006-02-23T13:59:00.000+00:00avi - actually I would favor CAIR getting as much ...avi - actually I would favor CAIR getting as much exposure as possible. Let them get sadddled with the idea that they are legit<BR/><BR/>Just like Hamza sooner or later they would run back to the Quran and Hadiths and say, 'well what do you want from us? That's only what the quran says'<BR/><BR/>Add THAT, sports fans, is the magic moment. It will occur in the millions of minds of muslims who must either accept the quran as is, or QUESTION. Who cannot countenance what they see and hear from salafi freakazoid imams RIGHT HERE in the USA, and are internally shaking their heads, and shaking in their beds about speaking out.<BR/><BR/>They are out there, and the rubber band is getting tighter and tighter as it stretches towards a moral decision.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140702705352568432006-02-23T13:51:00.000+00:002006-02-23T13:51:00.000+00:00Pim sorry..swamped out..fiscal month's end..that's...Pim sorry..swamped out..fiscal month's end..that's tmw .. I will email you if not over the weekend by monday ..now about that black dress ...Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140702601999337362006-02-23T13:50:00.000+00:002006-02-23T13:50:00.000+00:00CAIR is certainly trying to be clever. By includin...CAIR is certainly trying to be clever. By including the Jewish, Christian, and Hindu (Buddhist?) faiths in their speech, they hope to achieve better support that way. Exactly why we've got to be wary of their true intentions.<BR/><BR/>So-called lobby groups like CAIR shouldn't be recognized as legitimate, most certainly not if they support terrorist organizations like the Hamas. It's quite likely that they support the al Qaida as well, another reason why they should'nt be recognized.Avi Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18279593764770556442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140701311137262482006-02-23T13:28:00.000+00:002006-02-23T13:28:00.000+00:00Epa--actually, maybe I should grab that sura inste...Epa--actually, maybe I should grab that sura instead. I sent you 5: something or other. Hmmm.....Kiddohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626502212185158978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140701228072502372006-02-23T13:27:00.000+00:002006-02-23T13:27:00.000+00:00Yeah, I know about anti-CAIR. I just assumed that ...Yeah, I know about anti-CAIR. I just assumed that they were already on this one. But seeing as CAIR has become pretty much the "go to group" for muslim opinions as far as the mainstream media is concerned in the US, I see this as an important issue. Until CAIR is undermined and discredited in the eyes of the public and the media, they are still a force to be reckoned with and any statements by their spokespeople remain dangerous, IMO. They need to be outed as the main US Taqiyya Factory (other than the House of Saud and their other puppets) before I'll be at ease with them.<BR/><BR/>Epa--actually, at CAIR's site you can sign up to be sent a free quran if you need any new ones to rip up. They're like the Mormons, they're sending them out for free, baby! www.cair-net.org<BR/><BR/>But for now, how about my quran toilet paper, Epa??Kiddohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626502212185158978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140693511659062412006-02-23T11:18:00.000+00:002006-02-23T11:18:00.000+00:00TaqiyyaNo sweat.... let's erase 9:29 from the Qura...Taqiyya<BR/><BR/>No sweat.... let's erase 9:29 from the Quran, and then examine the Hadiths carefully<BR/><BR/>It's intolerably offensive to those of other religions, or no religion. I will help them rip the pages from every Quran in the USA and then help them burn all copies of the cartoons.<BR/><BR/>That's my offer.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140676067524611852006-02-23T06:27:00.000+00:002006-02-23T06:27:00.000+00:00Good post. It is important to alert people to CAIR...Good post. It is important to alert people to CAIR.<BR/><BR/>"The right to free speech is not absolute," Rishi said. "It does not give a right to defame Prophet Muhammad or any other" religious figure."<BR/><BR/>This is an interesting quote. But--its his opinion, and only his opinion. <BR/><BR/>In the U.S:<BR/>1- Congress makes laws<BR/>2- The ulimate <I>interpretation</I> of the law is up to the Supreme Court-- not Rishi! (He has a right to his opinion. He has a right to express his opinion. But, of course, he's just another "armchair philosopher"). <BR/><BR/>So far, the way the law has been interpreted, his views are not supported by the law. Hopefully he will not sway many people. <BR/><BR/>Btw, FYI: there's a very good group that people should know about called Anti-CAIR:<BR/>http://www.anti-cair-net.org/Krishna109https://www.blogger.com/profile/10497968813137194720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140672809741354592006-02-23T05:33:00.000+00:002006-02-23T05:33:00.000+00:00This is all part of a plan to 'soften up the oppos...This is all part of a plan to 'soften up the opposition.' You can just see the proposed legislation at the state and national level. It's going to be a lot harder to get that crap through in the US, but Canada and Europe, and parts of Austrlia (Queensland) they have already passed laws criminalizing mocking Islam.<BR/><BR/>The plan is to include other religions of course and trying to make them allies, but it's a trap. Given the ignorance of supposed Christian scholars, they will have no shortage of allies. Funny how the envangelicals, for the most part, get Islam right and all the other conventional branches of Christianity like Episopal, Presby., Anglican, etc. are complete dhimmis and idiots.John Sobieskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01954797087827357102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140667384032680462006-02-23T04:03:00.000+00:002006-02-23T04:03:00.000+00:00Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Pos...Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of <I>Jyllands-Posten</I> (the newspaper that first published the cartoons), makes some goods points in an article entitled: <B>"Why I Published Those Cartoons"</B>: <BR/><BR/>"This is exactly why Karl Popper, in his seminal work "The Open Society and Its Enemies," insisted that one should not be tolerant with the intolerant. Nowhere do so many religions coexist peacefully as in a democracy where freedom of expression is a fundamental right. In Saudi Arabia, you can get arrested for wearing a cross or having a Bible in your suitcase, while Muslims in secular Denmark can have their own mosques, cemeteries, schools, TV and radio stations.<BR/><BR/>I acknowledge that some people have been offended by the publication of the cartoons, and <I>Jyllands-Posten</I> has apologized for that. But we cannot apologize for our right to publish material, even offensive material. You cannot edit a newspaper if you are paralyzed by worries about every possible insult."<BR/><BR/>"As a former correspondent in the Soviet Union, I am sensitive about calls for censorship on the grounds of insult. This is a popular trick of totalitarian movements: Label any critique or call for debate as an insult and punish the offenders. That is what happened to human rights activists and writers such as Andrei Sakharov, Vladimir Bukovsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Natan Sharansky, Boris Pasternak. The regime accused them of anti-Soviet propaganda, just as some Muslims are labeling 12 cartoons in a Danish newspaper anti-Islamic.<BR/><BR/>The lesson from the Cold War is: If you give in to totalitarian impulses once, new demands follow. The West prevailed in the Cold War because we stood by our fundamental values and did not appease totalitarian tyrants." <A HREF="http://adeeperlookweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/flemming-rose-why-i-published-those.html" REL="nofollow">More here</A>Krishna109https://www.blogger.com/profile/10497968813137194720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140666942609418222006-02-23T03:55:00.000+00:002006-02-23T03:55:00.000+00:00If we don't openly exercize our freedoms in democr...If we don't openly exercize our freedoms in democracies, then what freedoms do we actually have? That would be the illusion of freedom.<BR/><BR/>I call on all people to exercise your right to assemble and to speak freely by joining us at McDonald's on Thursday evening from 7-9:00 pm to meet your fellow community members and to talk openly about your concerns regarding Islam and dhimmitude.<BR/><BR/>We in vancouver, Canada will do so at Main and Terminal sts. tomorrow, Thursday evening. This will be our fifth meeting. We are free, and we know it and so do you. <BR/><BR/>If you wish to meet others, and if you will do so publicly, let people know where you will be and how they will know you. We wear blue scarves. You'll see us. You'll know who we are. We are free people.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1140664038903655122006-02-23T03:07:00.000+00:002006-02-23T03:07:00.000+00:00The more powerful an institution is as a force in ...The more powerful an institution is as a force in a society, the more that institution needs to be open to criticism.<BR/><BR/>The most powerful forces in a society are probably<BR/><BR/>1) government,<BR/>2) religion<BR/>3) media<BR/><BR/>Not necessarily in that order<BR/><BR/>We ought to be able to criticize these institutions in a completely unrestrained manner. Any restraint could easily be abused by these institutions in order to create a tyranny.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.com