Some More About That Khilafa Conference

My previous posting on this topic is HERE.

From this recent essay by Steven Emerson:

...In California, a small group of Hizb ut-Tahrir cadres began recruiting in the early 1990s. They set up an organization in Walnut, (located in eastern Los Angeles County) called the Islamic Cultural Workshop (ICW). The organization published Khalif'ornia magazine, which later became Khalif'ornia Journal. Although ICW and the Khalif'ornia publications are no longer in existence, their writings offer the closest thing to a comprehensive body of ideological and religious literature produced by HT's American supporters.

The publications devote considerable attention to translations of HT literature on everything from "Separation of Church and State" to "A draft Constitution of the Islamic State."

The Khalif'ornia Journal states that its "direct objective" is to teach Muslims "that we must reestablish the Khalifah in the Muslim World, where Islam will be applied in every aspect of life and be carried to the world." The publications devote considerable attention to translations of HT literature on everything from "Separation of Church and State to "A draft Constitution of the Islamic State." Jews and Christians are depicted as inferior beings and the United States is portrayed as constantly conspiring against Muslims.

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HT supporters also formed a group called the Workshop for Awareness on Islam and Enlightenment (WAIE). It had a Washington, D.C. mailing address and telephone contact numbers in Northern Virginia. Its Internet domain was registered by a software developer named Adil Elkiyari whose Maryland-based company, transinfocom, is no longer in business.

WAIE had a booth at the August 31-September 2, 2002 conference staged by the Islamic Society of North America at the Convention Center in Washington, D.C.

WAIE also sponsored several lectures at the University of Maryland College Park together with the Muslim Students Association. A flyer advertising a February 6, 2002 address by Ossama Hazim, WAIE president, declared that "The Islamic State's foreign policy is the call to Islam. As such, it does not recognize so-called International Law, United Nations or other International Organizations that contradict Islam." A "State may not be partly Islamic. Gradual implementation of parts of Islamic Law is not acceptable."

These caliphate-yearning Moslems have been here in America for a long time and remained relatively quiet until now. Why the new boldness? What has [cough] changed?

About That Upcoming Khilafa Conference On The Outskirts Of Chicago

Yes, I know that there's a previous posting on this here at IBA. But I just have to post on this because I've posted about the organization before - over three years ago!

Let's start with a video (hat tip to Yid With Lid):



The conference will be held in at Hilton Hotel from 11AM - 5 PM in the Grand Ballroom, 9333 South Cicero Avenue, Oak Lawn, IL 60453

web site for the conference

The topics at the conference are as follows:

***Session 1: Failure of Capitalism***
Lecture 1: Capitalism is Doomed to Fail
Lecture 2: The Suffering Under Capitalism

***Session 2 : Islamic Perspective on Economy***
Lecture 1: How Wealth is Distributed Justly
Lecture 2: Life Under the Islamic Economic System

***Session 3 : Rise of Islam***
Lecture 1: Global Activism for Islamic Revival
Lecture 2: Role of Muslims in America

Now, let's move to some excerpts from a recent article at Fox News:

A group committed to establishing an international Islamic empire and reportedly linked to Al Qaeda is stepping up its Western recruitment efforts by holding its first official conference in the U.S.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a global Sunni network with reported ties to confessed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Al Qaeda in Iraq's onetime leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It has operated discreetly in the U.S. for decades.

Now, it is coming out of the shadows and openly hosting a July 19 conference entitled, "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam," at a posh Hilton hotel in a suburb of Chicago.

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is one of the group's most famous alumni, New Statesman journalist Shiv Malik reported, citing intelligence sources. In addition to plotting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he also is implicated in the World Trade Center bombing of 1993, the Bali nightclub bombings and the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

...Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq until he was killed in June 2006, also was once a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

...[O]ther former members include Asif Muhammad Hanif, a British man who blew himself up outside a bar in Tel Aviv, killing four people (including himself) and wounding more than 50; and Omar Bakri Mohammed, a radical cleric currently banned from Britain who praised the 9/11 attacks, raised funds for Hezbollah and Hamas and called for attacks on the Dublin airport because U.S. troops transfered there on their way to Iraq....

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Hizb ut-Tahrir's official ruling on the permissibility of hijacking planes says, "If the plane belongs to a country at war with Muslims, like Israel, it is allowed to hijack it, for there is no sanctity for Israel nor for the Jews in it."

And one of the organization's more recent leaflets, published in March, calls for the declaration of "a state of war against America."

Read the entire article HERE. There is much more!

If someone had told me on September 12, 2001, that such a conference would be held here in America less than eight years after 9/11, I'd have said, "You're CRAZY!" Yet, that very insanity is exactly what's happening.

Over three years ago at my first web site, I posted this. That posting, which discussed everyday, average Moslems' yearnings for the caliphate, received over 200 comments, was based on a front-page article in the Washington Post and mentioned Hizb ut-Tahrir as follows:

an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Nevertheless, Hizb ut-Tahrir is welcomed to the Grand Ballroom of a Hilton Hotel right outside Chicago? I suppose that we should be grateful the conference is not being held right outside two 9/11 targets: New York City and Washington, D.C.

I'll end conclude this posting in the same way I ended "The Caliphate" three and one-half years ago:

Are we standing before an abyss which we cannot comprehend and refuse to admit the very existence of?

Yet Another Update On The Islamic Saudi Academy (Link to videos addesd)

Photo Credit: the Washington Post
Background HERE - and plenty of it.

The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors hasn't yet made a decision about the school's expansion. The decision will be made on August 13.

But on this morning's news I heard that the Board will base its decision strictly on zoning regulations - not on the school's curriculum, which has been shown to be Wahhabist in orientation.

Indeed, barely anyone at the governmental level want to do a damn thing about the school's curriculum. Not the state, not the Virginia Department of education, not the county, not the State Department. Each of those wants to pass the ball to someone else. Consequently, the Islamic Saudi Academy continues to operate with impunity.

The exception: U.S. Representative Frank Wolf. See this posting of September 28, 2008, over at Northern Virginiastan.

I do note this morning that FNC is covering the story. FNC interviewed Frank Gaffney about the Islamic Saudi Academy (aka "Terror High"). Mr. Gaffney recently wrote an essay about the school. The essay is entitled "Welcome to Faisal County." Read the essay HERE.

Must-see videos over at Atlas Shrugs.

Rick Warren To Partner With ISNA?

Is Rick Warren promoting Christo-Islam?

From this source:

The Indiana-based Islamic Society of North America will be holding its annual convention -- the largest yearly gathering of Muslims on the continent -- in Washington, D.C. over the Fourth of July weekend.

And while convention leaders are holding out hope that President Barack Obama might make the convention his latest stop in his outreach to the Muslim world, the convention has landed another pretty big fish as a featured speaker.

Purpose-Driven pastor Rick Warren has agreed to appear at the convention and be part of its main session discussing the convention's theme -- "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Joining Warren for the session is ISNA President Ingrid Mattson and noted Muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf.

Warren's scheduled visit to the convention follows ISNA leader Sayyid Syeed's appearance last December at Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum on Public Health. Warren was unavailable this week to comment about the appearance.

His involvement with ISNA follows the Muslim organization's attempt to build partnerships with people of other faiths, including the Union of Reform Judaism and the American Baptist Churches....

Front Page Magazine's index of articles about the ISNA - What a web of Islamist connections!

Excerpt from this FPM article by Joe Kaufman:

Both the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) present themselves as mainstream Muslim organizations, yet in reality they are part of a radical Muslim movement which exists for the purpose of doing harm to America and Western interests abroad.

[...]

ISNA, said to be the largest Muslim organization in North America, has its roots in the extremist Muslim Brotherhood overseas, the same group responsible for the formation of Hamas and most other international terror entities.

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Besides its connection to Hamas, ISNA is involved in the propagation of hate materials. ISNA and its sister organization, the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), run an Islamic Book Service for the United States and Canada. The service consists of texts written by leaders of the Brotherhood and a version of the Quran, The Meaning of the Holy Qur’an, which has been banned by the Los Angeles school system for having numerous anti-Semitic commentaries....

Rick Warren, who has quite a following among Christians, is partnering with ISNA. What purpose is driving him?

Somebody, tell Rick Warren that when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Radical Islamofascist Organization, Hizb Ut-Tahrir, Announces It's Coming Out In the USA

From Atlas Shrugs:

Hizb ut-Tahrir is "coming out" in the USA. For readers unfamiliar with this group, here is Wikipedia's entry:

"Hizb ut-Tahrir (Arabic: حِزْبُ التَحْرِير‎; English: Party of Liberation) is an international pan-Islamist, Sunni, vanguard^[2] political party whose goal is to combine all Muslim countries in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, ruled by Islamic law and with a caliph head of state elected by Muslims.^[3]"

Hizb ut-Tahrir America Enters Public Stage

By Madeleine Gruen Counter Terrorism blog (hat tip Kevin)

Hizb ut-Tahrir America (HTA) has indicated that it has transitioned from its covert status to a public phase of operations by issuing an announcement, signed in its own name, that it will host a conference in July 2009 to support the establishment of a Caliphate.  

The event, titled "The Fall of Capitalism and Rise of Islam," is scheduled for Sunday, July 19th, 2009, at the Aqsa School in Bridgeview, Illinois.

Bridgeview is a suburb of Chicago. Chicago has been a major hub of HTA's activities for the past ten years, approximately. According to information available on the internet, the Aqsa School is a private Islamic primary and secondary school. Although HTA's Khilafah conference will be held at the school, there is no public indication that the school, its staff, or its board members are directly involved with HTA.

Last fall, after HTA issued a leaflet in its own name calling for Muslims not to participate in the U.S. elections, I wrote a brief post on CTB about the possible transition of HTA to the second stage of its development. According to party doctrine, Hizb ut Tahrir (HT) implements its strategy in three stages--The first stage is the covert level of development in which members are recruited and trained. In the second stage, members promote the party's methods and objectives publicly in order to win the support of the Muslim population. The final stage is the establishment of an Islamic government and military, in order to carry HT's "message to the world."

Indeed, HTA's announcement that it will host the Khilafah conference in July indicates that the U.S.-based branch now perceives itself as solidly prepared to emerge from its covert status into the second stage. HTA has held Khilafah conferences, and other major conferences, in the past, but has only done so from behind fronts and covers.

Other international branches of HT that have advanced from the developmental stage to the public phase have done so after achieving a level of internal fortitude that would enable the branch to withstand opposition. The transition may indicate that HTA perceives a level of comfort in an operating environment in which aggressive challenge from the government or the public is not anticipated. In order to sustain operations publicly, the branch leaders must be confident that members are loyal and committed to HT's objectives.

Nightmare. Watch the video they made to promote the event.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Esam Omeish

This week at the primary polls in Virginia, Esam Omeish lost by a huge margin his bid for the Democratic Party's nomination for a seat in the Virginia Assembly.

A short while before this loss at the polls, Hillary Clinton accorded him a kind of honor - as a Muslim leader worthy of her attention:

A Muslim leader invited by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to participate in a conference call after President Obama's speech in Cairo last week once told a crowd that "the jihad way is the way to liberate your land."

Esam Omeish, a surgeon and community leader who is running for Virginia state assemblyman, made the statements in 2000 at pro-Palestinian rally where he spoke out against Israel and urged Muslims to support the Palestinian liberation movement.

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The State Department has not replied to questions as to whether it was aware of Omeish's past comments when he was selected as one of approximately 100-200 invitees to participate in the conference, which included academics and Muslim leaders....

How could the State Department be unaware of Omeish's background? The Washington Post has provided ample coverage of Omeish's jihad-loving ties.

More about Esam Omeish can be found at Stop Omeish and Northern Virginiastan.

U.S. Based Al Qaeda Magazine

According to this at The Jawa Report:

It's called "Jihad Recollections" and is a production of Charlotte, NC al Qaeda supporter Samir Khan's self-styled jihad media company, "as-Fursan"....

The magazine is 70 pages of the same kind of garbage that you'd expect from al Qaeda itself, and certainly not from an American living in North Carolina. It seems to be imitating several other jihad magazines, which started with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's "Voice of Jihad."

[...]

The most worrisome articles, though, aren't the two aimed at teaching wanna-be terrorists about the technologies behind EMP and night-vision --- even though we are told that "through war booty, we can expect to see more mujahideen using night vision in their strategies." No, I think the most worrisome article is one entitled "Principles of Guerrilla Warfare."

Clearly the point of the magazine is to gain sympathy for al Qaeda, the Taliban, Shabaab, and any other violent Islamist terrorist organizations...

Less than nine years after 9/11.

Please, somebody, tell me that this isn't happening!

Will BHO reach out to the magazine's editor?

NIN on Jamaat ul Fuqra Transmutations

Douglas Hagmann has begun what promises to be an interesting series on Jamaat ul Fuqra over at Northeast Intelligence Network. Excerpts from Part I dated 3/24/09:

The Truth Exposed: Islamic Terrorist Training & Fundraising in America

Part I: The run-up to urban warfare & a warning of coming attacks

Investigators of the Northeast Intelligence Network have been performing an extensive investigation and surveillance operation of the activities of Jamaat ul Fuqra, an Islamic terrorist group that is currently active and operational across the US and Canada. The findings of our investigation and surveillance operations are as extensive as they are disturbing.

This organization of Muslim terrorists are actively training for urban warfare, infiltrating our government institutions, securing positions of public trust, and raising substantial sums of money through a wide range of white collar criminal activity and Islamic charities which is being funneled to terrorist kingpin Sheikh Mubarek Ali Gilani in Pakistan. The money is used for terrorist operations and organizational advancement. From their US headquarters in rural Delaware county, New York at the base of the Catskills where recruitment is brisk, especially from within our prison system, they have also reinforced their operations into Mexico, Latin America, the Virgin Islands, and elsewhere. Their primary focus, however, remains the US and Canada, and their targets are both religious and secular in nature, with emphasis on the former. Such targets include Jews and Christians, churches and synagogues, and perhaps most insidiously, our schools and school children. The latter will be for psychological effect...

Hagmann's series will also deal with Jamaat ul Fuqra's adjustment of its modus operandi following its exposure by less-than-accurate media reports that

...became the norm for many Internet researchers, rather than engaging in the tedious but professionally necessary investigative task of documenting facts and evidence. Sadly, the tabloid mentality consumed even the most popular denizens of the blogoshphere, all chasing headlines in a frenzy for notoriety. That mentality was further illustrated by the recent production of a documentary of this terrorist organization ["Homegrown Jihad", PRB Films in association with Christian Action Network]...

The documentary is based in part on a report submitted to law enforcement by the Regional Organized Crime Information Center (ROCIC), in which the Northeast Intelligence Network is cited as a source. The report also contains significant historical information mixed with information current at the time of its 2006 publication, some of which cannot be referenced as current or presented as evidence of current activity in 2009. Doing so gives those who are determined to minimize the threat, or even deny that any threat exists, enough of an opportunity to do so by pointing to such perceived inaccuracies. It also empowers the enemy by marginalizing those who are attempting to present clear and factual evidence in an effort to educate a wary public about a growing danger.

Spawned perhaps by the renewed interest in the terrorist organization and superficial references on Internet blogs did the attention-deficit corporate media again become interested, rushing once more to grab some suitable footage of a terrorist training camp in America. Unfortunately, they could not see through the veneer of contrived serenity, and were disappointed by the lack of directional signs pointing to the nearest Salman Pak mock-up. Whether they were denied the ability to look around or most recently, denied entry onto private property despite multiple requests, their disappointment seemed to manifest itself as a situation where “there is nothing to see here.” Leaving the audience confused about whether the headquarters of the terrorist group Jamaat ul Fuqra was akin to a year-around bible retreat or a boot camp for followers of Mohammed, the media will again lose interest as they had not uncovered any evidence by merely showing up and asking for it.

It is for the above reasons that Jamaat ul Fuqra is now more dangerous than ever, more emboldened, more organized, and more powerful. The blood of the next victims of Gilani and his disciples will be on the hands of many, spread through the hegemonic influence of Internet, an inept media, and at the highest levels of an
infiltrated American government who have been aware of this group’s existence and activities for not only the last five years, but the last 2 ½ decades.

To fully understand the horrific nature of the threat posed by Gilani the terrorist and those who have sworn allegiance to him, it is necessary to understand their renewed objectives, their current method of operation, and perhaps most importantly, how they have adapted and their operations have evolved as a result of the spotlight that has been shined upon them over the last few years.

The truly dangerous organization will not merely run ten different ways like so many roaches when exposed to light. Given the history of JF, members of which have carried out attacks in the U.S. as far back as 1983, we need the most accurate intelligence available concerning the latest activities of this dangerous group.

Read the rest at NIN.

They Will Keep Pushing

The Home Secretary in Britain announced a new measure that prevents foreign Jihadis from coming to Britain to promote hatred. The Jihadis in Britain responded by having an event where Omar Bakri Muhammad spoke to the British crowd with a live feed. Omar was in Lebanon. The event was covered in an article in the Evening Standard. Here are some excerpts from the article:

More than 250 Muslims at a packed public meeting in Tower Hamlets were told by organizer Anjem Choudary, (a lawyer): "We have a special surprise, a special treat for you. Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad will be joining us on a live feed from Lebanon." He added: "As Muslims, we will not submit to any man-made law, any government, or any prime minister — Bush or Brown — or [to] Jacqui Smith. We submit to Allah."

"It is our religious obligation to prepare ourselves both physically and mentally and rise up against Muslim oppression and take what is rightfully ours," Choudary said. "Jihad is a duty and a struggle and an obligation that lies upon the shoulders of us all. We will not rest until the flag of Allah and the flag of Islam is raised above 10 Downing Street."

To loud cheers of "Allah Akbar" [God is great], he railed: "There are three types of Muslims, those in prison, those of us that are on our way [to prison] and non-practicing Muslims. Brothers and sisters, if you do not fear your home being raided by the Kufar [non-believer] police, you are not enforcing the Sharia."

Apart from a group of elders with long groomed white beards sitting in the front row, most of the 200 men in attendance were Muslims in their late teens or early 20s, mostly dressed in shalwar kameez with westernized accessories — trainers, hoodies and jackets. At the back of the hall, segregated by partitions, were more than 50 women wearing burkhas.

Besides Bakri, there were three other speakers. Each spoke for 40 minutes, their talks interspersed with video clips from Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo that were designed to fuel the meeting's "grievance theme" of Muslims being oppressed by Britain and the West.

Abu Muaz spoke out against UK imams, claiming they are too soft and tolerant. He said that "speech was not enough" and that it was time to "take action". "You must destroy the West," he declared.

But the most provocative was student leader Abu Rumaysah, who spoke to the crowd as if they were trainee terrorists. "Delete unnecessary material from your computers, take precautions not to attract attention to yourself and prepare your family for [police] raids," he said. He added that they should support the families of Muslims who were arrested and that Islam will only take over the UK if Muslims are proactive and enforce Sharia law in their own communities.

When a woman in a burkha asked how he could justify this when Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace, the crowd mocked her. But it was Choudary who rose to put her in her place. "Islam is not a religion of peace," he said. "It is a religion of submission. We need to submit to the will of Allah."

Read the whole article here: Islamic Radicals Make Mockery of Hate Laws.

Spanish intelligence: "Spanish ex-soldiers are now Jihadists"

Spanish Center of Intelligence (CNI) has announced it has controlled a group of Spanish Muslim ex-soldiers who are carrying military training to enter Islamic Jihad. Although they have not announced how many exactly are carrying that training, Spanish newspaper LA RAZÓN has published that they are a dozen at least and that they are now located in radical islamists' training camps in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen or Saudi Arabia. Others have been located at mobile training camps in the Maghreb or Palestine.

None of them had access to any sensible information during their service to Spanish Army as they never reached high ranks.

Special investigations carried out by CNI have also uncovered the existence of "vigilantes", that is, Muslims now working for Spanish Army who are discreetly obliging their fellow Muslim soldiers to fulfill Islamic obligations about food and drink.

The Cultural Invasion Project

In an article entitled, The Muslim Brotherhood "Project," Patrick Poole had some illuminating insights into what Islamic supremacists are doing legally within the United States to ultimately replace the pluralistic, individualistic, freedom-and-equality-loving culture we now enjoy with Islam. Let me say that again. They have been working a plan for over twenty years to eventually replace our culture with theirs. And they've been doing it so cleverly that most of us don't even know it's happening.

"International law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies," writes Poole, have "discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of 'cultural invasion' and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades..."

The document "was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, two months after the horror of 9/11." They raided "a luxurious villa in Campione, Switzerland...The raid was conducted by Swiss law enforcement at the request of the White House in the initial crackdown on terrorist finances in the immediate aftermath of 9/11."

"Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to 'establish an Islamic government on earth' — identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by 'Islamic researchers' associated with the Muslim Brotherhood."

"What makes The Project so different from the standard 'Death of America! Death to Israel!' and 'Establish the global caliphate!' Islamist rhetoric is that it represents a flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West. Calling for the utilization of various tactics, ranging from immigration, infiltration, surveillance, propaganda, protest, deception, political legitimacy and terrorism, The Project has served for more than two decades as the Muslim Brotherhood 'master plan.' As can be seen in a number of examples throughout Europe — including the political recognition of parallel Islamist government organizations in Sweden, the recent 'cartoon' jihad in Denmark, the Parisian car-burning intifada last November, and the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London — the plan outlined in The Project has been overwhelmingly successful."

Just to give you an idea of what The Project entails, here are some features of the plan:

• Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
• Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
• Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
• Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
• Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
• Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
• Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;
• Instituting alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;
• Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West “in a jihad frame of mind”;
• Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
• Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world.

This plan was drafted in 1982, and has been put into effect with more and more efficiency as time has passed. Since 1982, "the Muslim Brotherhood has spread its network across the Middle East, Europe, and even America. At home in Egypt, parliamentary elections in 2005 saw the Muslim Brotherhood winning 20 percent of the available legislative seats, comprising the largest opposition party block. Its Palestinian affiliate, known to the world as HAMAS, recently gained control of the Palestinian Authority after elections secured for them 74 of 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council. Its Syrian branch has historically been the largest organized group opposing the Assad regime, and the organization also has affiliates in Jordan, Sudan, and Iraq. In the US, the Muslim Brotherhood is primarily represented by the Muslim American Society (MAS)."

Poole writes, "For those who have read The Project, what is most troubling is not that Islamists have developed a plan for global dominance; it has been assumed by experts that Islamist organizations and terrorist groups have been operating off an agreed-upon set of general principles, networks and methodology. What is startling is how effectively the Islamist plan for conquest outlined in The Project has been implemented by Muslims in the West for more than two decades. Equally troubling is the ideology that lies behind the plan: inciting hatred and violence against Jewish populations around the world; the deliberate co-opting and subversion of Western public and private institutions; its recommendation of a policy of deliberate escalating confrontation by Muslims living in the West against their neighbors and fellow-citizens; the acceptance of terrorism as a legitimate option for achieving their ends and the inevitable reality of jihad against non-Muslims; and its ultimate goal of forcibly instituting the Islamic rule of the caliphate by shari’a in the West, and eventually the whole world."

Read the whole article here: The Muslim Brotherhood "Project.

What About Islam?

I WAS WATCHING the FrontLine program, Target America, and it is impressive to see the skill with which the Jihadis successfully put the United States in a no-win double-bind, one after another. When Reagan began his presidency, for example, hostages had been held in Iran for more than eighteen months and Americans felt helpless to get them back.

The U.S. had initiated an arms embargo on Iran and we had urged the world not to sell them any weapons (they were at war with Iraq at the time).

And the U.S. had been urging every government leader to make no deals with terrorists. This was the ardent stand of the United States.

Then the U.S. made a deal with terrorists by selling weapons to Iran in exchange for freeing hostages!

Why? Basically out of intense frustration. At that point, they would have tried anything. Iran had successfully put the United States in a double-bind. If the U.S. did nothing, it looked weak and impotent, the U.S. government would be abandoning its own citizens, and the Jihadis would win.

But when the U.S. found a way to get the hostages back, the only viable option they thought up made the U.S. president look like a lying hypocrite, and America lost respect and credibility with our allies.

I was thinking of writing an article about the infuriating cleverness of Jihadis, and I was wondering what I could use to illustrate what they're doing. And then it came to me in a flash: The movie, What About Bob?

In the movie, Bill Murray plays a psychiatric patient who drives his psychiatrist crazy (Dr. Leo Marvin, played by Richard Dreyfus).

I just watched it again and the parallels are amazing. Bob uses the same techniques on Dr. Marvin that Jihadis use against the United States and Europe, and with similar results: Bob successfully fools everyone except Dr. Marvin, and Dr. Marvin becomes infuriated and helpless, but unable to stop it. Bob is able to cleverly insert himself into Dr. Marvin's life without his consent, and able to turn Dr. Marvin's friends and family against him.

As I watched, I kept stopping to write notes every time I saw a parallel. Here are my notes:

1. Bob's stand is: I am suffering. Islam's stand is: We are an oppressed people, we are under attack, we are the underdog, and we are suffering. Bob takes any and all normal events in life and he suffers from them. Jihadis take anything their enemies do and turns it into "oppression." And if their enemies do nothing offensive, Jihadis create opportunities to be affronted.

Read any mainstream Muslim publication, like the Muslim Public Affairs Committee newsletter, and you will see a strong theme running through almost every article: Muslims are oppressed and persecuted (and therefore must "defend" themselves).

2. Bob uses every technique he can find to keep pushing for what he wants. And he uses the one tool that gives him the most leverage with normal people: Pity. Evoke genuine pity, and you can pretty much gain any concession you want.

Stealth jihad uses this principle constantly. Jihadis try to portray themselves — just as their leader Mohammad did — as innocent victims of wrongdoing. Then, having aroused pity, they seek a concession of some kind.

They continue gaining concessions and giving none. Islam is a ratchet: It only goes one way.

...I skipped a few here. Read the whole thing if you're interested...

16. Bob is skillful, but conceals it. Dr. Marvin comes up with a brilliant scheme to admit Bob into a mental institution, but the institution can only legally hold Bob for 24 hours before they let him go. They can keep him there only if the staff agrees Bob needs to be institutionalized. Dr. Marvin is sure everyone will see Bob is crazy, but they don't. Within a few hours, they release Bob. Bob completely charmed the staff, telling jokes and cracking everyone up.

Like Bob, Islam is skillful, but conceals it. The more I learn about the clever infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood into mainstream American life, the more impressed I am at the long-range planning and the skillful, sophisticated understanding of the American mind. (Read more about that here.)

One branch of the Muslim Brotherhood is CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. They have successfully fooled most people in America that they represent moderate, peace-loving Muslim Americans. Read about what they are really up to.

17. Bob is in it for the long haul. Eventually, Dr. Marvin loses his mind, goes off the deep end, and he becomes violent and irrational, mainly because nobody else sees what Bob is really doing except Dr. Marvin.

Jihadis find every crack in the wall they can find and work their way in, and they twist every event and utterance to their purpose. They will not stop, they will not tire, and they have nothing else to live for. This is it. This is the meaning of their existence: Islam must win. Islam must dominate all other cultures, all other religions, all other governments. Allah wills it.

They have infiltrated our schools by giving donations to colleges and then using their seat on the board to exert influence (creating a campus culture of Islam-loving, America-hating students). Jihadis are offering the British government and banks on Wall Street money to help them through the present financial crisis, but with strings attached — the money is "Shari'a compliant" which means, among other things, that there is a built-in written agreement that a certain portion of the money goes to particular charities — charities that support jihad against the West. Jihadis have created "legitimate," mainstream organizations that lobby Washington and "represent the Muslim community" to governments and to the media, and yet have a secret agenda, revealed at the recent Holy Land Foundation Trial, of conquering America from within.

The list goes on and on. They are in it for the long haul, and they absolutely will not stop, ever. They won't grow tired or give up. If they are going to be stopped, we must stop them. And we had better do it with more success than Dr. Marvin had with Bob.

To get rid of Bob, out of mad frustration, Dr. Marvin tries to blow him up, but Bob ends up "accidentally" blowing Dr. Marvin's vacation home to smithereens, and then marries Dr. Marvin's sister!

Bob won. Dr. Marvin lost. We've got to do better.

Would you like to entertain yourself while watching a demonstration of Jihadi techniques? Watch What About Bob?

And while you're watching, see if you can come up with ideas we can use. What would you do if you were Dr. Marvin?

Come back here and leave your ideas in the comments. This is serious business and we need all the smart ideas we can get.

Follow Up On Tesco Booze Case

In a follow-up to Andy Armitage's story of the Muslim who didn't want to move alcohol, here's what happened: The Muslim lost. That's one concession to Islam that didn't happen. Excellent. One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

Speaking after the three-day tribunal in Birmingham, he had said: "It's in our religion that we are not allowed to handle alcohol. In the UK there's equal opportunities that should protect me and my beliefs."

Tesco said Mr Ahmed was made aware during his employment induction course that he would be handling alcohol, and that every effort was made to find him an alternative role in the warehouse.

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The Prisoner's Dilemma

In a "game" researchers use to test personalities and winning strategies, they often employ the Prisoner's Dilemma, which is a hypothetical situation played between two people.

The Prisoner's Dilemma says "imagine you have two men who committed a crime together. They have been caught and the police are interrogating them separately. Both prisoners are offered the same deal: If you rat on your partner and if he keeps quiet, he'll get a life sentence and you'll go free. But if you both keep silent, we have enough evidence that you'll both get a year in prison. If he rats and you don't, you'll get life and he'll go free. If you both rat on each other, you'll each get twenty years in prison."

The dilemma is often played repeatedly with the same two people, who choose to cooperate or take advantage of the other through successive rounds of the game.

The Prisoner's Dilemma game is designed to parallel real life. If two people in real life cooperate with each other, it very often works to their mutual advantage. But if one person cooperates and the other takes advantage, it often works out very well for the selfish one and the good person gets screwed. But to go around preempting people — trying to take advantage of them before they take advantage of you — results in great loss all around. That's the dilemma. What is the best strategy?

The best strategy, it turns out, is "tit for tat." On the first round, be cooperative. After that, do whatever the other one does.

I didn't mean to go into so much detail, but I just wanted to make a point. Damien sent me a link to an article about the battle going on in Thailand between Buddhists and (guess who?) Muslims. Buddhism is truly a religion of peace. But when you are interacting with someone who will only take advantage of you and never cooperate with you, or who will kill you if you let them, you are left with one choice: Fight back or be eliminated.

The Buddhists are choosing life. They are fighting back. I never thought I'd see the day.

In 2004, revered Queen Sirikit bluntly urged people to defend themselves, and she sponsors arms training programs that cater almost exclusively to Buddhists. After the attack on the van (where 8 Buddhists were ambushed in their van and killed) her military aide, Gen. Napon Bunthap, quoted her as saying: “We have to help people there to survive. If they need to be trained, train them. If they need to be armed, arm them.”

I applaud the Queen. They have a new Prime Minister in Thailand. The previous Prime Minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, was heavy-handed in his use of force, and he was, of course, criticized for it. "But Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont’s softer approach and offers of negotiation have also failed and the violence has worsened..." Duh. I could have told them that would happen.

The insurgency has claimed more than 2,000 deaths in the southernmost provinces of Pattani, Yala and Narathiwat, which are 80 percent Muslim in the otherwise Buddhist-majority country. The rebels have never made public demands, but are believed to favor separation from Buddhist-dominated Thailand to form an Islamic state.

Of course they are. Everywhere they can they will infiltrate, raise their numbers, and agitate for political control or a separate state. This is the essence of jihad.

Islam is a ratchet. It only goes one way.

What Islam Is Not

The following video is the best one I've ever seen that shows the progression of the Islamic invasion. First they immigrate and increase their numbers. Once the population gets large enough, they agitate for concessions. And they keep progressing, one stage at a time until they take over the government. This is a video to share with everyone.



When we share this, we must also share what can be done about it or it's too scary to confront. Here are posts to "what can be done:"

What's The Cure?

Stop The Muslim Invasion

What Can a Civilian Do To Stop Islam's Relentless Encroachment?

Jihad By Other Means

MANY PEOPLE think we in the West have nothing to worry about from Islam. The West has superior weapons, a superior military, and Jihadis are not going to start an all-out war with western powers. All of this may be true. What we westerners should be more concerned about is the perpetual Islamic political encroachment as democracies give Islam one political concession after another until we've painted ourselves into a corner from which we cannot escape.

The Jihadis' work has already begun. The Islamic invasion is already underway. Here's the plan:

1. Suppress criticism of Islam. At the very least, you can cry, "Racism!" (even though Islam is not a race) and that might silence someone or get them fired. But you can often go much farther. When someone says anything against the teachings of Islam, you can sue the writer, the publisher, or the television station for defamation of a religion or libel or discrimination. Since many of these suits are brought by Jihadis with excessive oil money (Muslims who can afford good lawyers and long legal campaigns) it has made people think twice about speaking openly, even in free countries. Islamic countries just recently introduced a bill at the United Nations to make criticism of Islam an international crime.

2. Use deceit to keep the kafirs confused, at odds with each other, and ineffective. Islam has a principle called taqiyya, which means "religious deception." Basically it stems from the Islamic concept that Islam is at war with all non-Muslims, and all is fair in love and war. Deceit is used by most military strategists as a legitimate weapon, and it is permissible and even encouraged in the Qur'an against anyone who is not a Muslim.

3. Convert kafirs into Muslims. Outreach programs, television programs, one-on-one conversations, advertising — they use it all, and they present only a friendly face of Islam to kafirs (non-Muslims), hoping to dupe them into joining this "peaceful, tolerant religion." Or they use the "join with us and end your persecution" approach (for minorities). They also have a very successful track record of converting thugs in prisons into fanatical Muslims. They try every avenue they can find.

4. Increase your numbers inside the non-Muslim country. Jihadi men sometimes have several wives, even in western democracies where it is illegal, and have many children per wife. Often the Jihadis try to get non-Muslim women to marry them, but get them to convert first. Another way they increase their numbers is to help get more Muslims to immigrate into the non-Muslim countries. They recognize the power of numbers and they are actively pursuing that course. Serge Trifkovic (author of The Sword of the Prophet) said Jihadis have proven throughout history that "once they reach the numbers that allow them to impose their will, they will do so."

5. Gain small, incremental, legal concessions from non-Muslim countries. And make sure you give no concessions in return. Recently, for example, the Phoenix airport capitulated to some Islamic women's demands to change the uniform of their employees. The airport's uniform included pants, and the Islamic women said they couldn't wear them and they wanted to wear skirts. So the airport conceded. No big deal, right? Concessions like this are being made constantly, with more and more frequency. When it all adds up, it is a big deal. The fact that each concession is so small is one of the reasons people allow it.

These five strategies are already being done, right under our noses. The way to stop the slow-encroachment invasion is to educate non-Muslims. Once people can see what the Jihadis are doing, they'll vote against it, and they'll vote for representatives who demonstrate they see it too.

The end result will be no more concessions to Islam. The encroachment must be stopped. You can help. In fact, you must help. We need all the help we can get, and the sooner the better. Have conversations like these with people you know. Talk to them about Mohammad. Share articles with them. Loan them good DVDs. Start today. We can stop the invasion; we just have to be smart about it.

Looks More Like IslamoPHILIA

Political maven Marilyn Penn wrote, "Since 9/11, Islamic tentacles have steadily spread into American civic, educational and corporate arenas. Contrary to the fraudulent accusation of American Islamophobia, our public and private spheres are racing to accede to the demands of the Islamic lobby, affording special rights to a group that slyly claims discrimination while benefiting from unprecedented favors."

Well said!

She gives lots of good examples in her article: Islamophilia.

The Main Barrier to Stopping Islam's Encroachment

I just read a good article on Geert Wilders. He said something I really liked:

"Right now, people are speaking without really saying what they mean. It’s not enough to talk about immigration. You have to get to the core of the issue, which is that Islam is incompatible with democracy.”

That basic thing — simply speaking directly about the issue — seems to be one of the main barriers to getting anything done to stop Islam's relentless encroachment. Political correctness and multiculturalism seem to have constrained and impeded free speech so much that in high political circles or in newspapers it is almost impossible to find anyone willing to speak normally about it. All you manage to get is a very carefully-crafted vagueness. No problem can be solved that way.

The Roots of CAIR

This is an excerpt from an excellent article entitled The Muslim Brotherhood's US Network:

Following a 1993 Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders and activists in which the need to engage in propaganda efforts was discussed, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was founded in Washington DC. Its stated mission is to “enhance understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.

Although these objectives sound innocuous enough, the Muslim Brotherhood (of which many of CAIR’s founders were members) often uses terms like these as euphemisms for more insidious actions. A Brotherhood memo written in 1991 makes reference to a “dictionary” that the Ikhwanis (the core group of the Muslim Brotherhood) use to decipher the true meaning of their words, which are put in quotation marks in written documents.

The fact is that CAIR was created by Ikhwanis for influencing the U.S. government, Congress, NGOs, and academic and media groups. The Brotherhood identified the media as “stronger than politics,” highlighted the importance of training activists to present a “view of the IAP” that would be acceptable to Americans. One of CAIR’s founders, Omar Ahmad, explicitly suggested the need for “infiltrating the American media outlets, universities and research centers.”

...The Holy Land Foundation trial documents also proved that CAIR was part of the Muslim Brotherhood linked network created to help Hamas in the U.S. Even though it has portrayed itself to be a civil rights group, and is often described as such by the mainstream press, its top leadership is made up of the IAP and the UASR principals mentioned earlier. Despite public denials, CAIR leaders have been heard expressing their support for Hamas both in public and on FBI surveillance tapes. CAIR has received support from, and lent support to, Hamas financial conduits in the United States. Several CAIR officers and employees have been indicted on terrorism-related charges.

This line, in particular, struck me with a lot of impact: "The Brotherhood highlighted the importance of training activists to present a “view of the IAP” that would be acceptable to Americans."

That's what we need to do as well. We need to educate the public, but try to do it in a way that is acceptable. We need to tell them the truth, but tell it in a way it can get through to them, in a way that takes their already-existing point of view into account and doesn't ignore it, but gently alters the point of view.

Right now, CAIR is out-finessing the anti-jihadists. That's got to stop.

Stop the Muslim Invasion

Here's a summary post of the article: Seven Ways To Stop The Invasion. Someone asked, "So what do you think can be done besides moral grandstanding and warning about 'our failure to act?'" The original seven answers were:

1. Deportation to countries of their origin.

2. Deportation to Muslim-only towns guarded by the police.

3. One child per family policy reinforced with sterilization.

4. Mandatory lessons about Muslim atrocities.

5. Very strict control of Muslim clergy (mullahs).

6. Tax on Muslims to recompense us for all the harm they have done to us.

7. Sermons (khutbah) and religious instructions must be conducted in the local language, rather than Arabic, so that hate speech can be easily identified.

Then others added additional answers and took exception to some of the seven:

Blogger Pastorius said, "I think numbers 2 and 3 are fascistic. I think numbers 1, 2, and 3 can be taken care of by our proposed idea that Sharia is Sedition, punishable by death or deportation."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "My list would be short. I might say:

1. Deport or arrest anyone advocating Shari'a or jihad. Arrest them for sedition.

2. No more concessions to Islam. Period.

Number seven on the unknown guy's list, however, would help reveal exactly what is being preached in the mosques. So maybe that one too."

Anonymous Anonymous said, "8. Ban cousin-mariage to disrupt their breeding cycle.

9. Ban halal slaughter in Dar al-Harb.

10. Massive child-protection intervention to remove children from abusive Muslim families and have them adopted and brought up as Kaffirs."

Blogger Sabra said, "Amend #3 to say, "One wife per husband with one child per family policy reinforced with sterilization." If you just go with that alone, the problem will solve itself. There can only be so much in-breeding before a species starts to die off, right?

Although I agree quite completely with the whole list - and the others added in comments!"

Anonymous Anonymous said, "Number one addresses the next two suggestions as well as number 5. Eliminate 2 & 3. If followers remain in their own nations and breed beyond survivability - so be it.

Number 4 - Absolutely.

Number 5 - Native reverts should be monitored and hold passport with restricted travel.

Number 6 will fund 1, 4 5 and 7

Number 7 - Affirmative

Most important missing guideline: Sharia is Sedition, punishable by death or deportation (ht Pastorius)."

Blogger Andy Armitage said, "Hard to go with some of these without hammering human rights, and that would have to be the same for everyone. I'm in favour of offering them financial incentives to go to a country of their choice; and I'm in favour of discouraging birth, anyway (probably fiscally), because, Muslims apart, we have too many people on this planet and Muslims and Catholics just want us to add more — exponentially. And that ain't good. But it's one we do have to watch, because they do discourage contraception, I think, and irresponsible breeding is going to raise their numbers (not all their kids will hang onto the old dogmas, but enough of them will).

I think mandatory lessons would be a good idea, not just about atrocities, but about what's called for in the Koran, just to show those whose reading of it may be a bit lax and casual that there are calls in there for kafirs to be killed.

There should, yes, be strict control of imams coming into our respective countries. There seems to be an expectation that, because it's to do with religion, any damned preacher will have no difficulty in getting into the country.

Muslim-only towns would just be another ghetto. Yes, it would be guarded, but the innocent are going to get punished with the guilty.

Perhaps a fundamental thing would be to get religion out of the public square altogether, make it clear that religion — whatever religion — is a private thing.

Blogger Aukmuntr said:

#11- No Teaching Islam in the USA, especially in public schools
#12 - No call to prayers that can be audible over ten feet
#13 - Police cannot automatically say the crime that just occurred is not terrorism without proof within 48 hours
#14 - Mandatory classes in school on Islamic terror, with full video and audio with proper translation...

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "In an interview, one of my heroes, Rita Katz, who knows a lot about the underbelly of jihad in America, had these suggestions for the answer to Islam's relentless encroachment:

8. Freeze the assets of terrorist financiers and shut down sources of money to terrorist organizations, including their numerous "charity" organizations.

9. Destroy training camps and hamper their ability to train new recruits.

10. Change the general perception of the global threat of Islam's relentless encroachment to America and the West. Change perception from a mere nuisance to a major threat to the free world.

And, Katz added something the U.S. could do outside its borders:

11. Islamic terrorism needs to be studied in depth, and it needs to be addressed as a global, long-term problem. The only way we can win this war is if we, the West, will force countries, governments, and organizations that educate, preach, and fund jihad to stop what they are doing. As long as radical Muslim clerics will preach for jihad, and as long as Saudi textbooks will teach their youngsters that we, the "infidels," will always be their enemies, Islamic terrorism will not be eradicated. Through political pressure, diplomacy, sanctions, and similar measures, the West, spearheaded by the U.S., has to force governments such as that of Saudi Arabia to stop spreading this incitement and to engender a new generation that does not have that blind, vicious hate against the West and everything it represents. And then — in a generation — we will be able to win this war once and for all."

Anonymous Anonymous said, "The Muslims aren't the REAL problem.

Future historians, perhaps some Russian or Chinese Gibbon writing 'The Decline and Fall of the Anglosphere', will have an interesting job explaining how the vigorous post-World War II Anglo-Saxon civilisation, which put men on the moon and invented all of modern computer and telecommunications technologies, somehow lost its confidence to the extent that it allowed itself to be taken over by swarms of Dark-Age savages, with hardly a glimmer of resistance.

We tend to think of the causes of the Muslim problem as being external — Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. But the real causes are internal: the self-loathing 'intellectuals', the open-door immigrationists, the Effete Elite such as Cameron and the Archdhimmi, the post-colonialist guilt trippers, the multi-culti dumbing-down educationalists, the anti-British Brainwashing Corporation and all the rest of the smirking-class traitors — not only in Britain but in Canada, Australia and the US as well.

A healthy body can resist attacks by parasites, but Anglo-Saxon civilisation, and indeed the whole of European civilisation is very sick indeed.

To return to my first sentence, why did I write a Russian or Chinese Gibbon rather than an Islamic one? Because if the Anglosphere is destroyed by the Muslims, it will go through a stage where it is so anarchic and weak that stronger, more homogenous and more culturally self-confident civilisations will step in to take charge, and deal with the Muslims in the manner of Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao."

Blogger BabbaZee said, "I have to think about it." Are you done thinking, BabbaZee?

Commenter Lance Corporal Jack Jones said:

Solution Zero:

Fixed bayonet, greased with bacon fat. They don't like it up 'em!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Army's Totally Serious Mind-Control Project (using "thought helmets)

Now if the military can develop this for battle, why can't we have it designed to erase Islam from the brain of captive Jihadis?

Commenter Revere Rides Again said, "First order of business should be a massive education campaign to inform every member of the public who is willing to listen of the nature of Sharia and Jihad and why they must be treated as sedition, with appropriate penalties.

Islam must be identified as a politico-religious movement intent on conquering Western institutions and installing itself as a theocratic Caliphate. Concessions to Islam must cease, and any encroachments on the law of this land — attacks on freedom of speech, insistence on special treatment, attempts to establish Sharia courts, etc. — must come up against stone walls of opposition. A campaign of education about Islam's impact on women would be welcome as well. So would some sober reflection on the value of rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's and preserving the secular nature of government.

I don't believe in trying to outbreed a problem that is rooted in philosophy. If the legal constraints coupled with birthrate discrepancies mean that we leave the hordes of Islamists with no outlet but violence, then so be it. Let the violence be dealt with according to Chicago Rules, for as long as it takes for them to get the point or lose the demographic advantage, whichever comes first.

Speaking of which, I'm trying to imagine a billion angry gay Chinese guys and all I can picture is this big chaotic fire drill..."

Blogger Epaminondas said, "Well, let's stick to what's possible and constitutional. That means 1, upon seditious behavior of people who are not citizens, case by case. No mean feat.

The rest are blatantly unconstitutional."

Blogger Always On Watch said, Epa has a valid point about the issue of constitutionality.

Unfortunately, going through the legal system has been less than successful. I recently posted this over at THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS. How well the cases go in court depends a lot on who is sitting on the bench.

As an educator, I'm a strong advocate of truth-filled education as a strong anti-jihad tool.

The big negative: demographics. Now, I'm no advocate of mass sterilization. We've been down the eugenics road before and not only in Nazi Germany.

But our legal system could see to it that polygamy is a no-go and results in deportation.

I favor deportation because our prison system doesn't need a further burden.

And properly vetting immigrants is also essential. No more Wahhabists, including imams.

Mosques and Islamic centers should be thoroughly investigated to see if they are teaching sedition. That's not a violation of freedom of religion at all. In fact, I know a few Moslems who immigrated here, only to discover that the mosques are "radicalized." They no longer attend mosques, BTW, and cherry pick the doctrines of Islam on their own."

Blogger Epaminondas said, "polygamy is a no-go" IT IS, and the courts must be our remedy for those legally in the USA.

Religious freedom was no defense for the radical Mormons.

I will again make the point that if you teach violence, and violence results, YOU and the institution responsible are accountable. That's how the Aryan nation was destroyed.

If my temple through me as a teacher taught that for the final day to arrive and all of us to reach heaven all the Zoroastrians must die, and that the natural world would aid the Jews in this endeavor against the evil ones...and one of my students went out to get those Zoroastrians...the Temple, me and the INDIVIDUALS on the Board every year this was taught would all be liable for civil damages.

Blogger Pastorius said, "Epa says 2-7 are unconstitutional. I say, no I think #5 is not unconstitutional.

What one has to remember is that Islam is not strictly speaking, a religion. It is a virulent political system posing as a religion. it is like Communism.

There is nothing unconstitutional about monitoring the activity of the Communist Party, as it is dedicated to the overthrow of the government.

Likewise, Islam, as it is dedicated to the overthrow of the government of the U.S., ought to be monitored. That means Islamic 'clergy' ought to be monitored."

Blogger Epaminondas said, "Pasto MAY have a point on 5 when the quttbas cross over to non religious issues. I have to think about it some. Bit I have a feeling then, that Jeremiah Wright was close to the line. And so might some critical progressive rabbis I know of. The problem is how to draw such a line which is fair across the board.

Suppose you want to preach against inequality (perceived or real), and urge civil disobedience...is that over the line, and to who? Some future govt that might not be too swift? Suppose it's an executive branch which is topped by Americans who happen to be Muslim, and we have a future Rick Warren preaching against them?

See what I mean?

We can't have laws which pick out one group for RELIGIOUS reasons. However, I think there are oodles of places where the dean seems to require actions which are urging violence, sedition, and govt overthrow (the Muslim Brotherhood of America's 'grand jihad'). It is at that point where our individual freedoms outweigh untrammeled religious freedom."