tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post113746085681407157..comments2024-03-19T09:54:36.273+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: The Day After We Bomb IranPastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137545345645963492006-01-18T00:49:00.000+00:002006-01-18T00:49:00.000+00:00Don't dismiss buying time. After the Gulf War we w...Don't dismiss buying time. After the Gulf War we were surprised to find that Iraq was close to having a nuke and we pushed that off for another decade. The Arab nuke program was moved to Libya and we have pushed that off again.<BR/><BR/>Why is buying time important? Because: we have to educate the American public about the dangers of Islam. Most still don’t get it or they believe it is just a few, i.e. Al Qaeda. To mobilize a country for a major war you have to have a propaganda campaign, in the proper sense of the phrase, to focus the country’s attention on the evil ideology that drives the enemy and the danger that it creates. No public figure has done that nor can they. <BR/><BR/>Thus, buying time is all we can do, for now. In that time, we have much that we have to accomplish to educate our fellow citizens.Jason Pappashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18233796281520274898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137513982038938112006-01-17T16:06:00.000+00:002006-01-17T16:06:00.000+00:00Lot,Your opinion on what we need to do is the same...Lot,<BR/>Your opinion on what we need to do is the same thing I've been hammering on for a couple years now.<BR/><BR/>We have to deal our enemies a humiliating defeat. And when we have defeated them, we have to remake their societies by declaring their anti-human rights ideologies illegal. <BR/><BR/>We have waged three very successful wars;<BR/><BR/>1) The American Civil War<BR/>2) Germany WWII<BR/>3) Japan WWII<BR/><BR/>In each of the three cases we beat them and beat them and beat them some more, and when they were ready to quit, we delivered the death blow.<BR/><BR/>If that's how you win a war, then that's how you fight a war.<BR/><BR/>However, the problem in Iran, is we don't have the political will to send our troops in, so I agree with Mr. Epa that we just have to bomb repeatedly, everytime they start to rebuild.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137498949780539672006-01-17T11:55:00.000+00:002006-01-17T11:55:00.000+00:00We either have regime change, or we make up our mi...We either have regime change, or we make up our minds to re apply strikes REPEATEDLY.<BR/><BR/>We cannot invade Iran unless we have a draft and a WW2 size effort. Moreover, personally knowing so many iranians in research I know that their families still there ask 'where are the marines?'. But as we see even if 97% want us there, all it takes is a few with dynamite to create a NYT anarchichal annointment parade.<BR/><BR/>Never the less we can't do nothing. Sanctions will do nothing (think of Iraq, it killed more people than the war and did nothing).<BR/><BR/>The best answer is to incite a popular revolt. Do we have the intelligence assets? Frankly, based on puiblic materials my juidgement has to be the CIA is not competent to this level. They might be ok for a strongman (Mossadegh), but a real blood red, died in the wool revolution? No.<BR/><BR/>If we must act, then, bomb and rebomb with Yassin style decapitation as well. There HAS to be regime change. We are going to alienate a lot of people, and everyplace we bomb will suddenly be a wedding. We also better make up our minds that we are going to be attacked HERE, by pasdaran elements and hizb'allah. Which might lead to the draft and the final result.<BR/><BR/>All this is based on the idea that these guys CANNOT be deterred. If their children wree anything other than a martyr supply to them, I would be 100% against such actions (rigid containment would work), but that's just not the case.<BR/><BR/>The president has a lot of work to do, and I don't see anything to indicate that this is going on. 1000 cruise missiles aren't going to work unless we do it 3x/year.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137475686939698582006-01-17T05:28:00.000+00:002006-01-17T05:28:00.000+00:00Well, actually that seems to be in character. Even...Well, actually that seems to be in character. Even if the UN acts, he won't listen to them, nor will he be effected by the US or other Western powers. Perhaps if Moslem nations get together as a block & pressure him..?<BR/><BR/>They actually may want to do this, as the countries in the area would have much to lose by a nuclear war.Krishna109https://www.blogger.com/profile/10497968813137194720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137473041368171842006-01-17T04:44:00.000+00:002006-01-17T04:44:00.000+00:00Krishna,Iran has made it clear that they would not...Krishna,<BR/>Iran has made it clear that they would not mind killing some Palestinians and other members of the Muslim world, if it meant doing away with Israel:<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Rafsanjani has followed in the footsteps of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in many ways - for example, marking World Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day by supporting Palestinian Arabs. This holiday is celebrated on the last Friday of the month of Ramadan. During the official sermon on December 14, 2001, at Tehran University, Rafsanjani stated that Muslims must surround colonialism (i.e., America and Britian) and force the colonialists to see whether Israel is beneficial to them. If one day, he said, the world of Islam comes to possess the weapons (nuclear ones) currently in Israel's possession, this global arrogance would come to an end. The use of a nuclear bomb in Israel would leave nothing on the ground, he said."<BR/><BR/>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4cvC7Q5CfwYJ:www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp%3FID%3D18356+front+page+magazine+khatami+nuclear+arab+world+israel&hl=enPastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-1137470993261966102006-01-17T04:09:00.000+00:002006-01-17T04:09:00.000+00:00It would seem to matter that this is a situation w...It would seem to matter that this is a situation where there are no good alternatives. (I think that VDH article you linked to earlier here explains that very well).<BR/><BR/>I have thought of another aspect to this that isn't mentioned much. Israel is a tiny country, about the size of New Jersey. At the narrowest point in that center strip, its only about 9 or 10 miles wide. A nuke anywhere in the country would not be far from an Arab border. If Israel were attacked, nuclear fallout would probably kill lots of "Palestinians". Would Iran want to be responsible for nuking the Palis-- when even the "Zionist entity" didn't go that far!<BR/><BR/>In addition to the West Bank & Gaza, At the very least, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria would suffer from fallout.<BR/><BR/>(In fact, Egpt has just come out against Iraq have nukes for mikitary purposes (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/670595.html)-- of course they may not actually do anything about this...Krishna109https://www.blogger.com/profile/10497968813137194720noreply@blogger.com