tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post3457074314844479318..comments2024-03-27T14:07:52.573+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: I Like These Sons Of Apes And PigsPastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-50299554015646889282008-09-04T07:52:00.000+01:002008-09-04T07:52:00.000+01:00"Islam is sharia so how can u be against sharia ?"..."Islam is sharia so how can u be against sharia ?"<BR/><BR/>This claim is just as dumb as the claim that Christianity is the Inquisition.<BR/><BR/>"All I'm asking you people is to just learn arabic and koran from it's original source"<BR/><BR/>I read the Koran in three languages, but not in Arabic. Do you expect me to believe that the Koran was identically mistranslated into three languages?<BR/><BR/>"It's the 21st century and still Islamic countries exist..so somethin's gotta be right about it for millions of people to embrace it" <BR/><BR/>It is the 21 century and majority of today's regimes are totalitarian. Hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered every year in religious conflicts, usually involving Muslims. I guess something's gotta be right about that too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-13293553294987389832008-09-04T04:38:00.000+01:002008-09-04T04:38:00.000+01:00it's so sad what I've read here..Islam is sharia s...it's so sad what I've read here..Islam is sharia so how can u be against sharia ? God was describing the unbelievers as monkeys and pigs..well you should learn arabic first..don't concentrate on the tone..it has alot of meanings.. and god was describing those who disobeyed and killed his messengers and asked for miracles though they remained unbelievers..obviously you have only read the description..<BR/>All I'm asking you people is to just learn arabic and koran from it's original source..and if you don't want to then don't judge..<BR/>muslims were asked to respect all the other religions so please don't disrespect it..<BR/>what I've read here shows you have no idea of what Islam is..It's the 21st century and still Islamic countries exist..so somethin's gotta be right about it for millions of people to embrace it..not just arabs but I've met people from america, europe, australia, canada and alot more..<BR/>اللهم سخرني لنصرة الإسلام ولا تجعل كلمة الذين ظلموا أنفسهم فوق كلمتك يا أرحم الراحمينAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-45748412706861113892007-12-19T20:17:00.000+00:002007-12-19T20:17:00.000+00:00Then, it's up to people like you.Your endeavor cou...Then, it's up to people like you.<BR/><BR/>Your endeavor could truly heal the world.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-40429864608865838582007-12-19T19:46:00.000+00:002007-12-19T19:46:00.000+00:00"The question becomes, then, why is it that I, a n..."The question becomes, then, why is it that I, a non-Muslim, sees that these ideas are gateways to change, yet the Ummah does not?"<BR/><BR/>In short, the Ummah is brainwashed and free thought is not encouraged. The Koran is perfect, therefore self-criticism is a taboo. Those, who break out of the yoke of herd mentality are branded apostates. The Ulemma (clergy) is perfectly content with the status quo, so no call for change will come from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-87540399184107028852007-12-19T19:32:00.000+00:002007-12-19T19:32:00.000+00:00I certainly am no expert. However, this is what I ...I certainly am no expert. However, this is what I understand. The Talmud is a series of arguments about how to apply Jewish Law (from the Bible) to various situations. <BR/><BR/>The compilation of the Talmud took centuries and many Rabbis participated in the "arguments" over the course of centuries. <BR/><BR/>Gradually, the Talmudic process moved Jewish law from being the hard legalistic corpus it started out as, to be a corpus which was more organic, living, breathing and forgiving.<BR/><BR/>From what I understand, some of Jesus' teachings were inspired by the Talmud. In fact, as I understand it, when Jesus was asked which law was most important and he replied, "love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love thy neighbor as yourself, he was repeating a passage from the Talmud.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it seems to me the process of ifJihad is similar to the Talmudic process of arriving at new interpretation through argumentation. It also seems to me that ijma (consensus) is compatible with Democracy.<BR/><BR/>The question becomes, then, why is it that I, a non-Muslim, sees that these ideas are gateways to change, yet the Ummah does not?<BR/><BR/>What do you think the answer is to that question?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-52350581807661142522007-12-19T18:27:00.000+00:002007-12-19T18:27:00.000+00:00Pastorius,"Have you studied the Talmud?"No.Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>"Have you studied the Talmud?"<BR/><BR/>No.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-13739982932763971592007-12-19T13:29:00.000+00:002007-12-19T13:29:00.000+00:00Muslims Against Sharia,Have you studied the Talmud...Muslims Against Sharia,<BR/>Have you studied the Talmud? As far as I can tell, it was the Talmudic process which moved Judaism (and thus Christianity as well) beyond the violence of its early stages.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-88475951898687174452007-12-19T13:28:00.000+00:002007-12-19T13:28:00.000+00:00Anonymous,You said: "but I am not a muslim and it ...Anonymous,<BR/>You said: "but I am not a muslim and it is not up to me."<BR/><BR/>I say: Yes, that's the problem. We can support the effort, but we are not Muslims. It is up to Muslims to define Islam.<BR/><BR/>However, if there are Muslims who want to make things better I think we ought to support them. That's why I support Muslims Against Sharia. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous, it would help you to know that any Muslim who says he is "against Sharia" sets himself up to be killed, so the guys who have started this effort are laying it on the line.<BR/><BR/>By the way, our Christian Bible calls for death to apostates, adulterers and homosexuals, and yet we have been able to move beyond that, so it is hard for me believe that Muslims couldn't also move, through a similar process, towards a more peaceful Islam.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-10056830797618221652007-12-19T11:02:00.000+00:002007-12-19T11:02:00.000+00:00Muslims against Sharia & Pastorius -I prefer anony...Muslims against Sharia & Pastorius -<BR/><BR/>I prefer anonymity as I am unfamiliar with you as well. If this is problematic, the option to post anonymously should be eliminated. <BR/><BR/>I neither want to provoke or antagonize. There is much to learn on the web and I am neither a muslim nor phobic of muslims. <BR/><BR/>I do not like what I have learned about Sharia, and having read the Koran, I find it's content difficult and incredibly disturbing. Since I do not read arabic perhaps the poetic tone is lost on me, but what can be poetic about 'strike them at their necks' and describing non-believers as monkeys and pigs? <BR/><BR/>I've read that those questioning such things are considered taking material out of context. In what context is that acceptable in?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Then I've read that the koran cannot be interpretted without considering the hadith (btw, good answer Pastorius) and the sira. <BR/>If both those references are dismissed and the koran is adjusted to remove all the violence - your effort sounds promising and I encourage you, but I am not a muslim and it is not up to me. <BR/><BR/>What is up to me is the right to choose for myself. Based on the law of the land, I, as a citizen EQUAL to ALL others, am protected by a set of secular laws which have been viewed antagonistic when it interferes with Islamic dawa.<BR/><BR/>Muslims without sharia have an admirable mission. I wish it much success, so long as in the end we all agree that in America, WE (men and women) ARE ALL EQUAL in the eyes of God and under secular law.<BR/><BR/> I wish you all well and will continue to follow this as I too hope and pray that we can avoid what appears to be an inevitable clash of civilizations - as depicted in Islam - dar al islam vs. dar al harb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-72394274476799956712007-12-19T05:01:00.000+00:002007-12-19T05:01:00.000+00:00Ah yes, you occupy that compfortable middle ground...Ah yes, you occupy that compfortable middle ground.<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/><BR/>I'm somewhat familiar with that myself.<BR/><BR/>Muslims and lefties call me a Nazi, a racist, and a hater, <BR/><BR/>and the Right-wingers call me a self-hating white man.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-28876918154830443132007-12-19T03:53:00.001+00:002007-12-19T03:53:00.001+00:00Gotcha. So, you think he is just looking to start ...Gotcha. So, you think he is just looking to start a fight, huh?<BR/><BR/>Could be.<BR/><BR/>We have a lot of anonymous contributors around here. But, we also have a lot of anonymous idiots as well.<BR/><BR/>:)Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-15722187610071600962007-12-19T03:53:00.000+00:002007-12-19T03:53:00.000+00:00Gotcha. So, you think he is just looking to start ...Gotcha. So, you think he is just looking to start a fight, huh?<BR/><BR/>Could be.<BR/><BR/>We have a lot of anonymous contributors around here. But, we also have a lot of anonymous idiots as well.<BR/><BR/>:)Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-26964001267063305552007-12-19T03:40:00.000+00:002007-12-19T03:40:00.000+00:00Pastorius,You're right, it would be. However, from...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>You're right, it would be. However, from our experience answering questions that come from anonymous posters posters is a waste of time; most of them are not looking for answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-50204628582661753142007-12-19T01:58:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:58:00.000+00:00Muslims Against Sharia,I like you guys, but I gott...Muslims Against Sharia,<BR/><BR/>I like you guys, but I gotta say, it seems to me it would be easy enough to just answer the guys question.<BR/><BR/>The Hadith are stories about Mohammed which were told by imperfect human beings. That's why there strong and weak Hadith. The weak ones are the ones you are not too sure about, probably because they do not correspond with other information you know about Mohammed.<BR/><BR/>So, if I am right, then what was so hard about that? You don't need a name to answer a question like that.<BR/><BR/>I don't get it.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-8540561645997686792007-12-19T01:35:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:35:00.000+00:00If you want us to answer your questions, stop post...If you want us to answer your questions, stop posting as anonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-80798100522208528472007-12-19T01:23:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:23:00.000+00:00In Islamic tradition Muhammad is al-insan al-kamil...In Islamic tradition Muhammad is al-insan al-kamil, the perfect man, and uswa hasana, an excellent model of conduct (Qur’an 33:21)<BR/><BR/>How do you challenge this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-66822433691670944182007-12-19T01:20:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:20:00.000+00:00The Hadith did not come from God . . .yet the Hadi...The Hadith did not come from God . . .yet the Hadith IS the record of all things done, said and omitted by their prophet Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil,the exemplary model of conduct for ALL time.<BR/><BR/>How do you separate Muhammad from the receiver of the words for the koran?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-27663461162999243982007-12-19T01:15:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:15:00.000+00:00Ok . . .what about the sira?Ok . . .what about the sira?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-23415690272254024212007-12-19T01:08:00.000+00:002007-12-19T01:08:00.000+00:00The Hadith did not come from God.The Hadith did not come from God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-69706256281014547612007-12-18T23:37:00.000+00:002007-12-18T23:37:00.000+00:00The revised koran sounds interesting with one cave...The revised koran sounds interesting with one caveat. How will this revision relate to the sira and hadith?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com