tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post3958002776282362252..comments2024-03-28T14:32:19.334+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: A Deeply Disturbing Encounter With Nick GriffinPastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-49912947060909453102009-10-27T21:22:09.557+00:002009-10-27T21:22:09.557+00:00Oh and another thing, some bloggers here are takin...Oh and another thing, some bloggers here are taking everything way too personally when it comes to different political parties. For some reason, I see Brits feeling like Americans are just picking on them. I don't see that happening here at all but I do see some prejudice here.<br /><br />I hope our blog does not become an argument ground between Brits and Americans because what I see and why I even write here is because this blog is about Western civilization. We disagree on somethings (or a lot of things) and that's fine. But when some bloggers stoop down to a childish level where all they can do is level attacks for the sake of attacking, then I think that's going a little overboard with it all.<br /><br />I am specifically talking about Shiva's earlier comments where he deliberately misspells "America", e.g. "i,m proud to bee an amerikan". as though Americans don't know how to spell. What kinda childish crap is that?<br /><br />And before any of you jump to attack me, I just want to make one thing clear, I am not an American!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-41335407156084900302009-10-27T21:14:30.695+00:002009-10-27T21:14:30.695+00:00The estimated numbers are 11-13 million. Shiva, I ...The estimated numbers are 11-13 million. Shiva, I think, is just mistaken. Another thing, the number 6 million is just the number repeated. The number of Jews that perished may be as high as 7-8 million. As for the other groups of people that perished, all of them put together, their number comes at around 6-7 million.<br /><br />That does not mean that their deaths mean less than the Jewish deaths but it is a matter of common sense that the Jews were clearly the main target. The reason why when people mention SHOAH (holocaust comes from Latin which means "burnt offering"--that's a whole another theological discussion but using that word, I should say, is pretty disgusting!) they mainly talk about Jews and their loss is that out of the 15 or so million Jews 6-8 million of them lost their lives. Virtually every Jewish family was affected and all that happened because a bunch of crazy bastards thought, once again in the course of history, that Jews as a people were evil and needed to be eradicated. Yes, it makes the SHOAH mainly about the extermination of the Jews.<br /><br />I have been reading about BNP and EDL here for quite sometime and I don't understand completely what's going on...and frankly, I don't give a rat's @$$ about these parties. We'll see what happens when they come to power or not come to power. However, by adopting the attitude that goes something like, "If you only think about the Jews then you're actually denying the SHOAH", is denial of what happened. That means diminishing or trying to diminish the loss that virtually every Jewish family felt PERSONALLY and presenting it as "just another war".<br /><br />Again, not trying to say the lives of non-Jews that were lost don't matter. What I am saying is that Jews were the main target and let's not try to rewrite history by claiming 19 million people died and only 5.9 million were Jews<-- because that statement is a lie if you actually believe in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-18600243944750357602009-10-27T14:32:28.854+00:002009-10-27T14:32:28.854+00:00I can find no source for you 19 million killed in ...I can find no source for you 19 million killed in the German Holocaust.<br /><br />All sources I find estimate the number at 11 to 13 million.<br /><br />All sources I find say that, of the six million Poles murdered in the German Holocaust, 3 million of them were Jews.<br /><br />It would be nice if you could provide a source for your numbers, as I would love to be more well-informed, if I am wrong.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-38936015860969847732009-10-27T14:27:21.353+00:002009-10-27T14:27:21.353+00:00Shiva,
Here's what Wiki has to say about it:
...Shiva,<br />Here's what Wiki has to say about it:<br /><br />In addition to about three million Polish Jews (mostly killed in Operation Reinhard), 2.5 million non-Jewish Polish citizens perished during the course of the war. Over two million were ethnic Poles (the remaining 500,000 were mainly ethnic minority Ukrainians and Belarusians living in Poland). The majority of those killed by Nazi Germany were civilians (exceeding military deaths nearly 10:1).[1][2]<br /><br />From the start of the war against Poland, Germany intended to realize the plan laid-out by the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in his 1926 book Mein Kampf. The aim of this plan was to turn Eastern Europe into part of greater Germany, the so-called German Lebensraum ("living space").<br /><br />Plans for the "final solution"<br />Main article: Generalplan Ost<br /><br />In the same document, Himmler promised to eventually deport all Slavic Poles to Russia. In other statements, he mentioned the future killing fields in the Pripet Marshes where all were intended to die during the cultivation of the swamps. Plans for the mass transportation and creation of slave labor camps for up to 20 million Poles were made. According to Himmler, "All Poles will disappear from the world. [...] It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."[22]<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_PolesPastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-51349659483722943252009-10-27T14:01:20.289+00:002009-10-27T14:01:20.289+00:00CJ points out that his wife wouldn't talk tras...CJ points out that his wife wouldn't talk trash. <br /><br />CJ, it sounds to me like everything she said was probably said with a nod and a wink. She was laughing when she said it. She doesn't dislike him. Can't you read between the lines???<br /><br />For instance: 'My mother thinks he could do with a damned good slap,' she confided in me, adding: 'Nick's parents taught him that the sun rose and set in his a***.<br /><br /><br />I say: Do you really think your wife and her parents never have a conversation like that about you? If your wife doesn't express it, well, that says more about your wife than about you. Some wives talks openly, some talk behind closed doors, but all wives talk shit about their husbands sometimes, just like all husbands talk shit about their wives.<br /><br />That's a fact of life.<br /><br /><br /><br />Here's more from the article: After graduating in 1980, Griffin worked full time for the National Front.<br />'I thought he would grow out of it,' says Jackie. 'I was earning money, he wasn't - what a fool I was.'<br />The couple married in 1985. Joe Pearce, best man at their wedding, was imprisoned twice for inciting race hatred. The Griffins lived on state benefits for more than a year.<br />'I worked my a*** off trying to keep us going,' Jackie moaned.<br />'I've been... working to keep us going financially and bring up four children while he's spent his time playing at stupid politics. To Nick, it's all a game.'<br />She also revealed that 'through his own stupidity', Nick went bankrupt in 1991 after some disastrous property investments in France.<br />His parents repeatedly bailed him out, even selling their house in a vain attempt to save him.<br /><br /><br />I say: The writer of the article is trying to making Griffin look bad. There is no denying that. However, the joke that he doesn't tell, which is behind all this, is Griffin is not a financial disaster anymore. So, here's what would be in Jackie's mind as she's telling all this stuff. "Look, I stood by my man, and look who he has become. I was right to stand by him. He is a genius, and people know it, and he is successful now"<br /><br /><br />CJ, you gotta learn to read between the lines.<br /><br />Do you really think Griffin doesn't have money when he is the leader of a party that represents something near 10% of the UK?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-24397484902767504562009-10-27T13:55:29.736+00:002009-10-27T13:55:29.736+00:00Anonymous said: i´m not standing for this griffin ...Anonymous said: i´m not standing for this griffin guy but it sounds there´s a lot bs in the text. griffin had a gay affair with the other guy?!<br /><br /><br />I say: That sounds like b.s. to me too. But, it's presented for what it is, rumor, the word of one man.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-89132346898934386252009-10-27T13:51:21.173+00:002009-10-27T13:51:21.173+00:00Shiva,
You said: 13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off ha...Shiva,<br />You said: 13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off hand I cannot remember the source I got the figures from but I think wikipedia has a breakdown on the different groups<br /><br /><br />I say: Very interesting that you won't source it, even when I ask you.<br /><br />Well then, I will find your source.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-7348652609610987552009-10-27T05:32:56.265+00:002009-10-27T05:32:56.265+00:00And his devoted wife talkin' trash to a report...And his devoted wife talkin' trash to a reporter behind his back seems illogical too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13125582808962457170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-82051779350617252622009-10-27T05:19:30.587+00:002009-10-27T05:19:30.587+00:00i´m not standing for this griffin guy but it sound...i´m not standing for this griffin guy but it sounds there´s a lot bs in the text. griffin had a gay affair with the other guy?! leftists are accusing of gayness across europe everyone who opposes their politics... lol :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-86900473579203152002009-10-27T03:31:49.330+00:002009-10-27T03:31:49.330+00:00Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers...Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love. <br /><br />However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.<br /><br />This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him. <br /><br />Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need. <br /><br />Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man. <br /><br />You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” <br /><br />But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?” <br /><br />That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question. <br /><br />This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.<br /><br />Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-33487737462538479832009-10-27T02:51:11.649+00:002009-10-27T02:51:11.649+00:00Just cause
@Shiva, yes, the charge that the Engli...Just cause<br /><br />@Shiva, yes, the charge that the English are just waiting to invite the Nazis into our midst to save us from the Islamists is quite amusing.<br /><br /> I do not find it amusing any longerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-73224378189384785232009-10-26T22:56:02.212+00:002009-10-26T22:56:02.212+00:00Culturist John, "How did Griffin get the job ...Culturist John, "How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?<br />"<br /><br />I don't think it matters who leads the BNP to be honest, as long as they keep their racist agenda they will always remain on the fringe. In my opinion, keeping Nick Griffin where he is and his racist policies in place is essential because as their popularity grows the greater the pressure on the major parties will be to tackle some of the issues they are currently avoiding.<br /><br />@Shiva, yes, the charge that the English are just waiting to invite the Nazis into our midst to save us from the Islamists is quite amusing. I think it must be hard for them to empathise with the plight of the Brits who were subjected to a horrific and regular bombardment by the Nazis in a tiny country surrounded by the enemy! This legacy passed down by our ancestors is vastly different from that passed down from American vets I would imagine where there was no risk whatsoever for the folks back home. Not forgetting of course the bombardment of mainland Britain by the IRA that my generation was subjected to.<br /><br />Anyway, it's not 1939, we are not yet facing a vast regular army posied for invasion across the English channel. Todays enemy is vastly different as is the solution for its defeat. I don't give a shit about what everyone who stands against the enemy believes in, be it nazism, communism, or satanism. All this claptrap about 'the jury is out' about the EDL and anyone else who has decided to make a start on the resistance is obfuscation for cowardice. If we wait for the 'right' time or the 'right' people to make a stand we'll turn round to resist and it will be too late.Just Causehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15872763704893318237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-9037456468049043262009-10-26T18:23:18.798+00:002009-10-26T18:23:18.798+00:00Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers...Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love. <br /><br />However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.<br /><br />This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him. <br /><br />Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need. <br /><br />Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man. <br /><br />You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” <br /><br />But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?” <br /><br />That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question. <br /><br />This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.<br /><br />Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-85904300438848149782009-10-26T18:11:25.178+00:002009-10-26T18:11:25.178+00:00Jaco
13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off hand I cannot...Jaco<br /><br />13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off hand I cannot remember the source I got the figures from but I think wikipedia has a breakdown on the different groupsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-31913294083384575552009-10-26T18:02:53.448+00:002009-10-26T18:02:53.448+00:00Culturist John said...
How did Griffin get the jo...Culturist John said...<br /><br />How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?<br /><br />John, that is a very good question, it was just this baggage that put him in the situation so as to take BNP forward, nobody with a squeaky clean record would have been able to do so.<br /><br /> He is smart in many ways, he is not going to talk to much about what he said ten years ago, he lets his distractors do the talking, and allows them to blabber themselves into irrelevance (Melanie Philips).. <br /><br />He is also smart as to know that should he revert back to his NF days then the BNP would crumble very fast, as very few of his present supporters would tolerate such a move<br /><br /> Everybody thats supports him are aware of his baggage which puts him in a tight spot. Nasty Nick wants power fame and glory, and he is going to get it, but as soon as he take his dirty linen out of his baggage he is out on his ear.<br /><br /> Personally I don,t think the BNP will become the ruling, but I think they are going to be large enough to force through a lot of changes which the establishment are most scared about<br /><br /> If Griffin is the wolf in a sheep,s skin that the media is portraying him to be, his supporters will never allow him to take off that skinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-52974155651995889892009-10-26T16:48:56.793+00:002009-10-26T16:48:56.793+00:00Agent Orange was a defoliant used to denude the ju...Agent Orange was a defoliant used to denude the jungle canopy so we could see the enemy who chose to hide in tunnels and pop up unawares.<br /><br />Fucking bullshit, exactly the same as holocaust denial, agent orange was toxic, but classed as a defoliant, giving the USA a loophole to slip through<br /><br />Lawsuits by American GIs were settled out of court - without admission of liability by the chemical companies<br /><br />Vietnese did not get a nickel on the court ruling that even though the herbicides (agent orange) contained a dioxin, a known-poison, they were not intended to be used as a poison on humans. Therefore they were not considered a chemical weapon and not a violation of international law.<br /><br /> It is very revealing how you write 6,000,000 dead Jews. As well as Catholics and Poles and Gypsies etc.<br /><br /> This in itself is holocaust denial. You, Epa and many other always forget mention to mention that Catholics, Poles, Gypsies and Slavs totaled 13,000,000<br /><br /> There has been so much made of the 6,000,000, that when yhere is mention of the holocaust people now only think of the Jews being murdered. this in itself is denial<br /><br /> The true figures of the holocaust was 19,000,000, where as 5,900,000<br />and the rest being Catholics, Poles, Gypsies and SlavsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-49118946410086443992009-10-26T16:31:22.058+00:002009-10-26T16:31:22.058+00:00How did Griffin get the job and can't someone ...How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?<br /><br />Griffin does not seem that bright to me. I remember one video where he just read the name and place of events. It was not compelling. He also says things that he shouldn't. <br /><br />Since he and his wife have been together so long, the inclusion of quotes by her against him make the entire account ring false. Whose wife of 20 some years would publicly slander their husband to a nosy reporter. Especially after it said she sat silently through dinner. This does not compute.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13125582808962457170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-60734577447751807112009-10-26T14:38:12.012+00:002009-10-26T14:38:12.012+00:00Epa
Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the ...Epa<br /><br /> Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the least.<br /><br /> I would say the jury is asleep, waiting for more.<br /><br /> I hope to make a post about EDL in the next few days<br /><br />All I will say now EDL is no small thing, and there are small rumbling it is going to spread outside of BritainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-35638176920336022232009-10-26T14:20:56.777+00:002009-10-26T14:20:56.777+00:00Just Cause
They have the EDL
Oh another group fo...Just Cause<br /><br />They have the EDL<br /><br />Oh another group for the status quo to smear with nazi hate and amerikan bloggers can use for their perpetual English bashing<br /><br />It is sick that the British media are using the holocaust<br /><br />What is sicker is the amerikans can even think that the British would ever allow the nazi,s take power again<br /><br />Most of Europe was flattened thanx to the nazi,s, so people will never allow them take power again, and it is only sick minds that think it could ever happen again<br /><br />It is amazing to see how the stars and stripes is waved to the chant "i,m proud to bee an amerikan"<br /><br />I some times ask myself what is the difference between dropping canisters of of zyklon through a hole in the roof of a gas chamber, or dropping agent orange from 30,000 feet<br /><br />Rest assured nazis will never rise again in europe, but I am not so assured that amerika will not devastate some far away place in the near future<br /><br />I fear that the heart of the jews is in more danger from amerika, than the people who are labeled nazi,s in BritainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-52808407580440496132009-10-26T13:37:48.008+00:002009-10-26T13:37:48.008+00:00@ Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the leas...@ Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the least.<br /><br />IF they are the something else, perhaps you would care to name the candidates so we can do some research?Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-90339871261029968052009-10-26T13:36:37.543+00:002009-10-26T13:36:37.543+00:00@shiva...rather than digesting it for us, how abou...@shiva...rather than digesting it for us, how about doing what I said so we can all see the video as he recorded it.<br /><br />Your perception may not be others', or the objective realityEpaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-52654435248436784412009-10-26T13:24:31.005+00:002009-10-26T13:24:31.005+00:00@shiva - Video of Nick Griffin's recent appear...@shiva - Video of Nick Griffin's recent appearences ARE NOT AVAILABLE outside the UK<br /><br />Well I have seen most of it.<br /><br />Griffin with his remark about Mugabe arse lickin Jack Straws father put the whole show in context. <br /><br />Hypocrisy<br /><br />While brave men including Griffin,s father were doing what ever they where capable of doing in the war effort against the nazi,s so that British people could remain free of tyranny, that Jack Straw has benefitted from. Yet Jack straw like his father, is a traitor, far worse than his father, because Straw is giving away the freedom that his father did not fight for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-81747183686351243082009-10-26T13:09:18.031+00:002009-10-26T13:09:18.031+00:00Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's everybody's fault b...Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's everybody's fault but Nick Griffin's, and the BNP's: it's Labor's fault, it's the tabloids' fault, it's Melanie Philips' fault, everybody's lying about them. Who are you going to believe? Nick Griffin, or your lying eyes and ears?<br /><br />Same ol', same ol'. <br /><br />"IgunaDonnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-35753646323337352712009-10-26T13:00:17.202+00:002009-10-26T13:00:17.202+00:00Epa, "...not a solution nor does it excuse Br...Epa, "...not a solution nor does it excuse Britons from choosing the BNP since as a free nation if there are those who wish to get up off their asses and FORM SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE, they can do so."<br /><br />They have, the EDL.<br /><br />Jeppo, "You know, the Tories could put the BNP out of business tomorrow by getting serious about the number one issue, immigration"<br /><br />Precisely the point I tried to make above. Only problem is that they wouldn't dream of agreeing to tackle it because they are as left leaning as Labour are. The only situation that might change this is a massive turn out at the next election for the BNP which will effectively leave them no option.Just Causehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15872763704893318237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-91722266724845362332009-10-26T11:51:30.803+00:002009-10-26T11:51:30.803+00:00What we see is the tabloids which are basically th...What we see is the tabloids which are basically the mouth pieces for the three mainstream parties coming together, publishing the same old clap trap against BNP<br /><br />It is the same old thing as what has been written over the last 4 years, the only thing new is the name of the writers that are labeled to the article<br /><br />It is getting a wee bit tiresome, to see how the media keeps re-cycling the holocaust denial, yet fail to something new substance of to pin on the BNP<br /><br />The way the media are using the holocaust in their attempt to smear is a disgrace. Every body in Britain knows what Griffin has said about the holocaust, yet the major parties are using it as a smoke screen to hide there own short comings, and their total failure to address the main issues that concern the electorate.<br /><br />In fact I have more contempt for the media and Lab/lid/con and media for using the holocaust to protect their goggling at the troughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com