tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post5743214616653518627..comments2024-03-28T14:32:19.334+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: Geert Wilders To Be Charged For Making Anti-Islamic StatementsPastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-88646347049277234442009-01-23T15:14:00.000+00:002009-01-23T15:14:00.000+00:00Anonymous:Telling people what they should and shou...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/><I>Telling people what they should and should not believe sounds quite Islamist don't you think, Mark?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I do actually.<BR/><BR/>Sorry it has taken me so long to respond to your comment. I missed it in my email notifications.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-26184483871799543622009-01-22T21:04:00.000+00:002009-01-22T21:04:00.000+00:00Pastorius:I didn't know MEP's were elected. I thou...Pastorius:<BR/><BR/><I>I didn't know MEP's were elected. I thought they were selected by the sitting government.</I><BR/><BR/>No, they are elected.<BR/><BR/><I>That's a good thing. Glad to hear it.</I><BR/><BR/>It would be totally undemocratic if the representatives weren't elected.<BR/><BR/><I>Then, I guess, as far as the EU is concerned, the people will not take control, until they become more invested in it, and they won't become more invested in it, until it becomes too painful to not be invested.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, in many ways one can say that people need to take control. Though it has to be said that there is much room for more democratically-elected government over here.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-21013639158172011112009-01-22T18:17:00.000+00:002009-01-22T18:17:00.000+00:00Mark,I didn't know MEP's were elected. I thought t...Mark,<BR/>I didn't know MEP's were elected. I thought they were selected by the sitting government.<BR/><BR/>That's a good thing. Glad to hear it.<BR/><BR/>Then, I guess, as far as the EU is concerned, the people will not take control, until they become more invested in it, and they won't become more invested in it, until it becomes too painful to not be invested.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-43502804689424236752009-01-22T18:11:00.000+00:002009-01-22T18:11:00.000+00:00Pastorius:I didn't realize you were somewhat a sup...Pastorius:<BR/><BR/><I>I didn't realize you were somewhat a supporter of the EU.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, in many ways I am. I do have reservations, because I see many things happening which are undemocratic. It is also inclined to be unwieldy.<BR/><BR/>Further, I am against this aggressive expansion of the EU to include countries with which we have little or nothing in common. Turkey is a good case in point.<BR/><BR/>But the fact remains that the coming together of nations with <I><B>a similar heritage</B></I> can only be a good thing. It is just a question of how far we want to go with it. (Notice my emphasis.)<BR/><BR/>In many ways, it is a crying shame that we didn't enter the euro when the pound was strong. The euro is a strong currency. The pound sterling, by contrast, is a currency which has grown ever weaker: Successive governments have allowed the currency to dwindle in value to pay for their own incompetence.<BR/><BR/>When I was a boy of eleven, the pound was worth eight US dollars and twelve Swiss francs. Look at it today! It's a sad shadow of its former self. Give me prosperity over emotion and jingoism every time.<BR/><BR/><I>Interesting. I have little opinion on the EU, other than that I believe it is over-bureaucratized, if that is a word.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, it certainly is "over-Bureaucratized". But that, in and of itself, is no reason to destroy the very institution. As I said earlier: It is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water; rather, it could be a very good reason to go in, feet first, and be the architects of something better – mould the institutions to suit our own ideas.<BR/><BR/>The problem with the British is this: They refuse to learn languages, and they refuse to embrace the concept of the EU. They prefer, rather, to bitch and moan and whine on the edges, saying how unfair everything is. (But they don't have the balls to come out of the EU all the same.) We should position ourselves to lead Europe. God knows we have enough history to do so.<BR/><BR/><I>At this point, it is a force for Socialism and PC, and the people have to get control of it, but that will be done by the people of each individual government voting to take control of who represents them.</I><BR/><BR/>There is a tendency towards socialism; but that is not inevitable. I don't think that the Europeans want the raw capitalism which has prevailed in the US. Europeans like capitalism, sure enough; but they generally opt for something softer, gentler, and kinder. For example, it would be anathema to most Europeans to have so many millions without healthcare as you have in the States, people who rely on charity in times of need in old age. But in and of itself, there is nothing socialist about the EU as a coming together of nations. It is only as socialist or capitalist as the people wish it to be.<BR/><BR/>In any case, the EU has brought great prosperity to the people of Europe. Witness Southern Ireland, a country which has really come on since adopting the euro.<BR/><BR/><I>By the way, as I understand it, the people have no control over who represents them at the EU level.</I><BR/><BR/>That is not true. They are represented by elected members of the European parliament, the MEPs. The problem is that the British are often so passive that they don't even know, half the time, who their MEP is!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-88360788672918544192009-01-22T17:47:00.000+00:002009-01-22T17:47:00.000+00:00Mark,I didn't realize you were somewhat a supporte...Mark,<BR/>I didn't realize you were somewhat a supporter of the EU.<BR/><BR/>Interesting. I have little opinion on the EU, other than that I believe it is over-bureaucratized, if that is a word.<BR/><BR/>At this point, it is a force for Socialism and PC, and the people have to get control of it, but that will be done by the people of each individual government voting to take control of who represents them.<BR/><BR/>By the way, as I understand it, the people have no control over who represents them at the EU level.<BR/><BR/>That isn't right, is it?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-66218297031991111422009-01-22T14:55:00.000+00:002009-01-22T14:55:00.000+00:00.This is BIG, this is REAL BIG! SPREAD THE WORD t....<BR/>This is BIG, this is REAL BIG! SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone! The EU Mandarins have crossed the line! If this goes to court, how much more of the public will become aware of this tyranny?<BR/><BR/>All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, then there can be no real freedom. <BR/><BR/>The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized, and held to account when they are not. Muslims included.<BR/><BR/>Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!<BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>weak and insecure is BEST<BR/><BR/>the best way for religion<BR/>KILL those who question it<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe wants<BR/>Islam for everyone<BR/><BR/>submit to glorious life<BR/>slavery and servitude<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>outlaw self-defense<BR/><BR/>exposing violent crimes<BR/>shall be deemed hate speech<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>outlaw most bloggers<BR/><BR/>license all the rest<BR/>monitor their writing<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>just pretend to defend<BR/><BR/>human rights while stopping<BR/>speech defending human rights<BR/>.<BR/>All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.<BR/>.<BR/><A HREF="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-geert-wilders-film-fitna-be-shown.html" REL="nofollow">Film 'Fitna' Spreads Across World</A><BR/>.<BR/><A HREF="http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=ar&u=http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-geert-wilders-film-fitna-be-shown.html" REL="nofollow">'Fitna' Film Post in Arabic</A><BR/>.<BR/><A HREF="http://www.libertarian.to/images/animation/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english.swf" REL="nofollow">Philosophy of Liberty Cartoon</A><BR/>.<BR/><A HREF="http://haltterrorism.com" REL="nofollow">Help Halt Terrorism Today!</A><BR/>.<BR/><A HREF="http://www.lulu.com/content/2457373" REL="nofollow">USpace</A><BR/><BR/>:)<BR/>.Captain USpacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00786470726332272129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-24194018245066104402009-01-22T14:15:00.000+00:002009-01-22T14:15:00.000+00:00Given the results of the recent votes on EU consti...Given the results of the recent votes on EU constitutions in the individual nations of Europe, BY THE PEOPLES...can anyone guess how accurately the govt represents the will of the peoples?<BR/><BR/>I certainly have no idea, nor do I know the turnout rates.<BR/><BR/>It's also hard for me to judge from the europeans I know since they are all in medical research, and this group is not the center of ANY bell curve to make judgments from.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-87727193245598904922009-01-22T14:03:00.000+00:002009-01-22T14:03:00.000+00:00Pastorius:I think you and Mark are generally in ag...Pastorius:<BR/><BR/><I>I think you and Mark are generally in agreement. You are in agreement about the Islamist threat.</I><BR/><BR/>That's for sure.<BR/><BR/><I>However, you WiseOwl believe that British people will defend themselves, and Mark does not believe that.</I><BR/><BR/>That is not true, actually, Pastorius. I do believe that the British will defend themselves given the right circumstances. I always remember my father telling me when I was a child that the British are no good at fighting until their backs are against the wall. Then look out! Our backs are not yet against the wall.<BR/><BR/>Wise Owl and I also differ in our views on the EU. Wise Owl seems to think that the EU can only weaken us in our fight against the encroachment of Islam. I believe that the EU could be a source of strength if we worked together in unison. <BR/><BR/><I>Both of you base that on the evidence of history, plus what you see around you.</I><BR/><BR/>That's true.<BR/><BR/><I>It may be that you guys travel in different circles.</I><BR/><BR/>That's quite possibly true, too. But my experience may be different from Wise Owl's. I have worked in central Europe; so that experience has certainly fashioned who I am and what I believe in.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-8057072432917431332009-01-22T13:56:00.000+00:002009-01-22T13:56:00.000+00:00Wise Owl:I don't care where you are, Mark. When I ...Wise Owl:<BR/><BR/><I>I don't care where you are, Mark. When I joined this site, I hoped to find solidarity between everyone and anyone, wherever they are who work to resist Islamic expansion.</I><BR/><BR/>However can you come to the conclusion that the only way to resist Islamist expansion is by everyone thinking the same? Being in solidarity with others does not mean that we have to be carbon copies of each other. <BR/><BR/><I>If you scorn the efforts of others and make snide comments about their hopes and beliefs then it only shows solidarity in one place - between your ears!</I><BR/><BR/>Why do you think I have scorned you? I think you are being a tad overly sensitive.<BR/><BR/>You seem to see the EU as the root of all evil. I do not.<BR/><BR/>I certainly think that there is much to be improved in it; but that is not necessarily a reason for throwing the baby out with the bathwater.<BR/><BR/><I>If we do not fight united, then perhaps we don't deserve to win the fight ahead of us.<BR/><BR/>Heigh, ho, the search goes on.</I><BR/><BR/>What's all this about fighting united? Is it not possible to fight the Islamist threat together, yet allowing each other our own beliefs on the EU? Surely these are not mutually exclusive. After all, Churchill was very much in favour of the EU. Have you read his Zürich speech, given on September 19, 1946? Check it out <A HREF="http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>In an earlier comment, you stated:<BR/><BR/><I>I don't for a minute believe that the present government and the liberal establishment is willing to stand against Islam, but I do beleieve very strongly that the people will and that they are starting to do so. I also believe strongly that Britain leaving the EU WILL make a difference.</I><BR/><BR/>For the people to rise up, they need some form of leadership. Where are you going to find that leadership?<BR/><BR/>You may believe that Britain leaving the EU will make a difference, I do not think that would be a good thing; rather, if you dislike the EU so much, then why don't you try and fashion it into being something closer to your fancy.<BR/><BR/>There is much improvement to be made in its institutions. But one thing you have to admit: It has kept Europe free of wars, fighting and strife since the Second World War. Surely you don't wish to return to European nation fighting European nation, do you?<BR/><BR/>The Europeans are basically Christian people. Yes, they speak different languages, and yes they eat different foods, etc. But deep down we are all very similar. I found this to be true when I learnt German, for example. Before I learnt the language I had fully expected to find a 'strange' people, as my opinion of them had been tainted by the War. (I grew up in the post-War years.)<BR/><BR/>When I learnt the language, and started interacting with German speakers on a day to day basis, I found a delightful people, kind and generous and considerate and warm. Very much like the British in many ways.<BR/><BR/>The tragedy of many British people is that they have an inbuilt suspicion of the foreign and strange. It's such a pity. One thing you can be certain of: I am no 'Little Englander'!<BR/><BR/>Our European brothers – German, French, Spaniards, Italians,Austrians, etc – should all work with us in our common purpose: To defeat Islam.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think I entitled my book, <I>The Dawning of a New Dark Age</I>? It is because I fully believe that Islam will take us back to the Dark Ages if its advance is not thwarted and checked. That's what I believe!<BR/><BR/><I>I[f] I did not believe that [that the UK should leave the EU] I would no be here.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I am here, and I do not believe that it should. So where does that leave me? Would you like me to depart?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-11628449238155062852009-01-22T13:10:00.000+00:002009-01-22T13:10:00.000+00:00WiseOwl,I think you and Mark are generally in agre...WiseOwl,<BR/>I think you and Mark are generally in agreement. You are in agreement about the Islamist threat.<BR/><BR/>However, you WiseOwl believe that British people will defend themselves, and Mark does not believe that.<BR/><BR/>Both of you base that on the evidence of history, plus what you see around you.<BR/><BR/>It may be that you guys travel in different circles.<BR/><BR/>The question of whether or not we will defend ourselves is not a subject to become divided over, in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>However, I will say this, no football team ever won by going into the locker room at halftime and lamenting that they did not have the balls for battle.<BR/><BR/>We win by deciding we are willing to fight, that we do have the balls, and that we are going to give everything we have.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-77460887068749866412009-01-22T13:05:00.000+00:002009-01-22T13:05:00.000+00:00Epaminondas,You make a very good point when you sa...Epaminondas,<BR/>You make a very good point when you say there is no defense for Wilders in Europe. That there is only the OFFENSE of Truth.<BR/><BR/>One ought never have to defend their right to Free Speech in a court of law anyway, should they? And, in such a case, you are right, to defend is to go on offense.<BR/><BR/>But, maybe that's not what you meant. Maybe you just meant to say that Wilders is offensive to EU-types.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-80830200776681700072009-01-22T12:35:00.000+00:002009-01-22T12:35:00.000+00:00I don't care where you are, Mark. When I joined t...I don't care where you are, Mark. When I joined this site, I hoped to find solidarity between everyone and anyone, wherever they are who work to resist Islamic expansion. If you scorn the efforts of others and make snide comments about their hopes and beliefs then it only shows solidarity in one place - between your ears!<BR/><BR/>If we do not fight united, then perhaps we don't deserve to win the fight ahead of us.<BR/><BR/>Heigh, ho, the search goes on.WiseOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996553966636136340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-70154088810612519372009-01-22T10:23:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:23:00.000+00:00The EU, FROM ACTUAL EVENTS, we can be certain beli...The EU, FROM ACTUAL EVENTS, we can be certain believes that which gives offense should be illegal.<BR/><BR/>Who complains loudest and most effectively that they are offended, and backs it with real threat (stated and unstated) wins in this.<BR/><BR/>The EU cannot be saved unless fundamental structural change at the level of voting occurs.<BR/><BR/>Here we have gerrymandering to help ensure incumbents stay in power, but when roused we have changed paths OFTEN.<BR/><BR/>That is not the case in the history of the EU which has gone but ONE WAY since the early 70's.<BR/><BR/>My OBSERVATION is that it's over.<BR/>Not what I want. My OBSERVATION.<BR/><BR/>In that historical line there has been no experience with a peaceful change of philosophical direction.<BR/><BR/>NOthing could make that more clear than the idea it is better to silence Geert, uphold TEDDY BEAR silencing of personal freedoms, and ignore the pure anti semitism inherent anywhere the Quran and Hadeeth are taught. After all, one can appear to be stopping offense, and ignore the mostly silent, intimidated jews, thus satisfying the appearance of justice, and offering the ability to continue on with the cheese cart before creme brulee...eh, mes amis?<BR/><BR/>The jews of the EU should leave en masse giving the EU the finger on departure, for where they cannot be intimidated and where it will not be condoned.<BR/><BR/>Geert Wilders ABILITY to continue his message is more important than him writing from some tokenized jail. They don't want to jail him, they want to SILENCE HIM<BR/>He must be allowed to speak.<BR/>Here is his best chance for that. Truth is no defense for him in the EU, it is HIS OFFENSE. <BR/><BR/>Truth is Wilder's offense.<BR/>And the EU can be saved while this is the case?Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-36345769311568527282009-01-22T10:13:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:13:00.000+00:00Anonymous:Telling people what they should and shou...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/><I>Telling people what they should and should not believe sounds quite Islamist don't you think, Mark?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I certainly do. It also sounds like we're losing our freedoms.<BR/><BR/>These judges, and others in such positions, really can't understand the true nature of Islam, otherwise they wouldn't be so ready to capitulate. Surely?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-45506638642304585802009-01-22T10:11:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:11:00.000+00:00Wise Owl:I am here, and I don't believe that.Wise Owl:<BR/><BR/>I am here, and I don't believe that.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-74092225039535741872009-01-22T08:57:00.000+00:002009-01-22T08:57:00.000+00:00Telling people what they should and should not bel...Telling people what they should and should not believe sounds quite Islamist don't you think, Mark?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-70908421658411322052009-01-22T08:48:00.000+00:002009-01-22T08:48:00.000+00:00I don't for a minute believe that the present gove...I don't for a minute believe that the present government and the liberal establishment is willing to stand against Islam, but I do beleieve very strongly that the people will and that they are starting to do so. I also believe strongly that Britain leaving the EU WILL make a difference.<BR/><BR/>I I did not believe that I would no be here.WiseOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996553966636136340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-7650389180614433362009-01-22T08:38:00.000+00:002009-01-22T08:38:00.000+00:00Wise Owl:"Freedom of speech as WE understand it si...Wise Owl:<BR/><BR/><I>"Freedom of speech as WE understand it simply does not exist in the EU".<BR/><BR/>Exactly! Which is why we are having to fight on two fronts - For the UK to leabe the EU - and as soon as possible, and to stop and then roll back the spread of Islam here.</I><BR/><BR/>Are you really <I>that</I> naïve? Do you <I>really</I> believe that Britain leaving the EU is going to make the blindest bit of difference in such matters? Do you <I>really</I> believe that the British government has got the gonads to tackle Islam head-on?<BR/><BR/>Come on! This abhorrent politically correct sickness has metastasized everywhere in Europe, the UK included.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-35911141625738876902009-01-22T06:54:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:54:00.000+00:00"Freedom of speech as WE understand it simply does..."Freedom of speech as WE understand it simply does not exist in the EU".<BR/><BR/>Exactly! Which is why we are having to fight on two fronts - For the UK to leabe the EU - and as soon as possible, and to stop and then roll back the spread of Islam here.WiseOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996553966636136340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-79272670293070634602009-01-22T06:45:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:45:00.000+00:00Epaminondas:Freedom of speech as WE understand it ...Epaminondas:<BR/><BR/><I>Freedom of speech as WE understand it simply does not exist in the EU</I><BR/><BR/>It used to until Muslims came along. Oh, and the NuLabour government and its ilk.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-33879125519220254282009-01-22T06:41:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:41:00.000+00:00By the way, folks... That petition is not a new on...By the way, folks... That petition is not a new one. I went to sign it and I was told I had already signed it. That must have been a long time ago.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-78507122587940756042009-01-22T06:39:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:39:00.000+00:00Damien:I don't know too much about the laws in the...Damien:<BR/><BR/><I>I don't know too much about the laws in the Netherlands, so I don't know if the judge is actually enforcing them, but if he is, and not some PC activist, than Europe is in even bigger trouble than we thought.</I><BR/><BR/>This will be the judge's interpretation of the law.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121015125677979408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-70167850873759326062009-01-22T06:36:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:36:00.000+00:00Either there is free speech or there isn't. If th...Either there is free speech or there isn't. If there is, then everyone is free to criticise someone else's beliefs or teachings. Muslims take advantage of this freedom, but it seems that the freedom is strictly a one-way street so far as they are concerned. When western courts support them in this then there is no freedom of speech. None whatever. Drill one hole in a bucket and it no longer holds water. Take away one tiny section of a freedom and it is no longer a freedom.<BR/><BR/>What is it that Muslims fear? From speaking with several apostates from Islam in the past, they fear the truth. They fear that subjecting Islam to questions about the demonstrable lies and inconsistencies which lie at the heart of their religion will bring it tumbling down.<BR/><BR/>I have no wish to destroy other peoples' faiths, however wrong I know or believe them to be, but neither do I wish to see those faiths so established and protected in the west that they are beyond my criticism. If Muslims want to live in a Muslim country under Muslim religious laws, then there are plenty of those in Africa, the Middle East and Asia and they should go there. I would prefer that they went of their own accord, but if they have to be forced to go, then so be it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-21856971692095491632009-01-22T06:08:00.000+00:002009-01-22T06:08:00.000+00:00Where is the European Court of Human Rights? The ...Where is the European Court of Human Rights? The Hague isn't it? That's in Holland, isn't it? Hmmmmmmmm!WiseOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996553966636136340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-53810632770958193082009-01-22T04:18:00.000+00:002009-01-22T04:18:00.000+00:00Thanks, guys.I put the petition at the top of the ...Thanks, guys.<BR/><BR/>I put the petition at the top of the post now.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.com