tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post8495754205591313544..comments2024-03-28T14:32:19.334+00:00Comments on Who Would Have Believed The Singularity Would Be So Stupid?: Center For Vigilant Freedom Comes Out For Le Pen?Pastoriushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-58715969210154090052007-11-24T22:39:00.000+00:002007-11-24T22:39:00.000+00:00OK, you didn't understand. And you can only think ...OK, you didn't understand. And you can only think ideologically, and in extremes. I'll get back to you another time.<BR/><BR/>PS. The answers to your questions are in what I already wrote, if you just read it carefully.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-66932312461967286162007-11-24T22:31:00.000+00:002007-11-24T22:31:00.000+00:00Conservative Swede,Read my latest post, "Race, Eth...Conservative Swede,<BR/><BR/>Read my latest post, "Race, Ethnicity, and Culture," to get my opinion of the word "ethnicity."<BR/><BR/>As to your comment, you are veering back into a Ethnic Nationalist argument when you say,<BR/><BR/>"The day the indigenous (white) people of Europe is no longer in majority, Europe as we know it will no longer exist. This means that the uniquely liberal and egalitarian (I'm not using the words in a ideological sense here) sort of societies that we are used to and cherish will be gone in Europe."<BR/><BR/>What exactly are you saying here, CS? Are you saying that Indians and Chinese people who have been inured in European tradition (and thus assimilated) can not possibly sustain a Liberal and Egalitarian culture?<BR/><BR/>You see, that is a racial argument.<BR/><BR/>You appear to be making the point that you don't believe Chinese people, in general, are capable of being Liberal and Egalitarian.<BR/><BR/>I don't buy it.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-15967216534152777252007-11-24T21:07:00.000+00:002007-11-24T21:07:00.000+00:00Pastorius,It seems that, perhaps, you and I aren't...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/><I>It seems that, perhaps, you and I aren't that far apart.</I><BR/><BR/>No we aren't, and we shouldn't need to be.<BR/><BR/><I>And, it doesn't seem that you needed Ethnic Nationalism to make your argument.</I><BR/><BR/>That's correct. I can make my argument without referring to Ethnic Nationalism. But my whole point here is that I do not see the need to <I>distance</I> myself from those doing it.<BR/><BR/>Historically national identity in Europe is based on ethnicity (and so it is in almost all places around the world except for in America and Israel). Ethnicity is a hodgepodge of things, including culture, race, climate conditions, genes and a common history, that have been weaved together into this hodgepodge, of which we do not know what is what, and it doesn't matter. Even culture changes very slowly, I often says that culture floats as slowly as glass.<BR/><BR/>Ethnic groups are carriers of culture. Erase the gypsies from Spain, what do you think would happened to the flamenco? If not gone, it would never be the same.<BR/><BR/>The day the indigenous (white) people of Europe is no longer in majority, Europe as we know it will no longer exist. This means that the uniquely liberal and egalitarian (I'm not using the words in a ideological sense here) sort of societies that we are used to and cherish will be gone in Europe. To state that is common sense, and not an extreme position. It's a moderate position in opposition to extreme things that are happening now.<BR/><BR/>So then comes an American and says, why don't you just change your national identity and make it just like the American identity? Well, things just don't work that way, and it's a way of playing God. America looks like it looks because of it's history, so does Europe. <BR/><BR/>If you think it's so easy to change the national identity just in a whim, why don't you just throw away your historical identity in America and adapt e.g. the Israeli concept of national identity? Putting religion (Christianity) at the center of the definition of who's an American. I can argue for that this is an improvement since it gives you a stronger defense against Islam. Why don't you just throw away our historical identity and let the politicians work out a centralized plan for changing (improving) your national identity?<BR/><BR/>Like it or not, historically our identity in Europe (as in most other places) is based on ethnicity. Everywhere the national identity is based on history, also in America and Israel. It's simply just not viable to throw it away. Trying to do so means dangerous social experiments, and this is exactly what has been forced upon is in Europe during the last decades.<BR/><BR/>However, the concept of white nationalism is crazy, and ideological. There simply isn't a white ethnicity. Europe is a mosaic of many small nations. However, I do not have this problem with "white Europe". This is simply a historical fact.<BR/><BR/>So Europe is based on ethnicity, many small ethnicities, like it or not. However it's the most cosmopolitan civilization, most open to people and influences from the outside, that there has been. Just compare us to the Japanese, e.g.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-36583313642080332402007-11-24T20:48:00.000+00:002007-11-24T20:48:00.000+00:00Even the Muslims are voting for VB.Man oh man, thi...Even the Muslims are voting for VB.<BR/><BR/>Man oh man, this VB party is really something... for such a vile NAZI white power party it sure knows how to attract Jews and Muslims.<BR/><BR/>I have to laugh at these Americans who know nothing and yet pretend to have a moral high ground to judge others from.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/11/book-review-undercover-in-little.html<BR/><BR/>snip<BR/><BR/><BR/>She meets more people like Jamal, but she feels they're fighting a losing battle against the fundamentalists. She says that the moderate Muslims are walking a tightrope, between the Muslim fundamentalists and the right-wing (ie, nationalist) Flemish extremists. I had trouble understanding what she meant, but she later brings example of Muslims who vote for Vlaams Belang. I doubt most Muslims are in danger of becoming nationalist extremists, though. As Fraihi says, if they vote for Vlaams Belang, they do it out of protest, fear and disillusionment. <BR/><BR/>As one example she brings Fatima, a Moroccan immigrant in her 60s. She doesn't see herself as integrated and doesn't think she acts any different in Belgium then she did in Morocco. She came in 1968, got a hearty welcome, worked with Belgians and generally enjoyed herself. She followed up on her kids - went to PTA meetings and made sure she knew where they were going at all times. A friend of hers complains that her son lives off benefits, even though he could work. There is discrimination, she says, but the 2nd and 3rd generation don't want to work and just use it as an excuse. These youth are coddled by multicultural and integration organizations, all in the name of tolerance. <BR/><BR/>According to Fatima the problem-youth are problematic because they have become fully Flemish. She suffers from the extremist Muslims who demand that she wear a headscarf, soemthing that she'd never done in morocco. The moderate Muslims are the first victims of Muslim extremism, but nobody takes care of them. She supports the Vlaams Belang program: stopping immigration, reducing marriage immigration and cutting off the integration sectors. She sees Vlaams Belang as the only party which is upset at Muslim extremism, who wants to treat immigrants strictly but justly. Moderate Muslims are fed up and feel that they've been left on their own. Fatima wants to vote for a more moderate party, but only after the danger from Muslim extremism is dealt with.<BR/><BR/>snipVinceP1974https://www.blogger.com/profile/14213974096172795917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-61895843493365668622007-11-24T19:43:00.000+00:002007-11-24T19:43:00.000+00:00There is somethign you both need to do though..che...There is somethign you both need to do though..<BR/><BR/>check out this movie trailer<BR/><BR/>http://www.cloverfieldmovie.com/VinceP1974https://www.blogger.com/profile/14213974096172795917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-26746734804347728112007-11-24T19:38:00.000+00:002007-11-24T19:38:00.000+00:00CS,I agree with you there. It seems that, perhaps,...CS,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you there. <BR/><BR/>It seems that, perhaps, you and I aren't that far apart.<BR/><BR/>And, it doesn't seem that you needed Ethnic Nationalism to make your argument.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-90979551139560063772007-11-24T17:58:00.000+00:002007-11-24T17:58:00.000+00:00...would those who are there (once again, other th...<I>...would those who are there (once again, other than the Muslims) be impossible to assimilate?</I><BR/><BR/>No.<BR/><BR/>But we need to add (4): drop all generous welfare hand-outs to no-good people.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-22021777327208347132007-11-24T14:11:00.000+00:002007-11-24T14:11:00.000+00:00Conservative Swede,I forgot to tell you, in my pre...Conservative Swede,<BR/><BR/>I forgot to tell you, in my previous comment, just so you'll know; I am a big fan of Fjordman's writings. I have read almost everything he has ever written.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said: So you are a multiculturalist ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>I say: No, I am not a multiculturalist. I am an American. (Ask Baron about this.) In America we have a tradition of assimilation. We call it the Melting Pot. <BR/><BR/>I agree that Multiculturalism is "deranged Utopia."<BR/><BR/>Sensible immigration policy would recognize that only a certain number of immigrants (as a percentage of population) can be assimilated over a certain period of time. Assimilation must be done through education, while at the same time acknowledging that assimilation is a multi-generational task. Additionally, i must be acknowledged that the assimilation of immigrants is relative to the the culture from which they are immigrating. Hence, it might take more to assimilate immigrants from one culture than it takes to assimilate immigrants from another culture. Certainly, we see that it is almost impossible to assimilate those from a Muslim culture.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, I think we ought to shop immigrants, meaning we ought to only allow in those immigrants who actually have a talent we need and an eagerness to contribute said talent to our society.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said: "The Muslims are the worst of the problems we have, but not the only one. I'm not blaming the foreigners who come here abusing the system, I blame the system."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I say: I understand. You are probably aware that we have quite a problem with immigration here in the United States as well. In fact, I live at ground zero for the problem; Southern California. So, I have to live with the problem everyday. <BR/><BR/>Let me ask you this; if you <BR/><BR/>1) deport problem Muslims (defined as those who have a desire to see Sharia made the law of the land) <BR/><BR/>2) then you shut down immigration altogether for a period of time<BR/><BR/>3) changed policy (change the rules of political asylum, began to look at immigrants for the talents they bring)<BR/><BR/>would those who are there (once again, other than the Muslims) be impossible to assimilate?<BR/><BR/>Where I live, we have immigrants from all over the world. Only Muslims looks to be almost impossible to assimilate.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-13891212084106505312007-11-24T11:13:00.000+00:002007-11-24T11:13:00.000+00:00CS, Dewinter crawfishing with great skill on an un...CS, Dewinter crawfishing with great skill on an undeniably WHITE SUPREMACIST position, BLEW IT for american support, and for ANY hope of real support from any center anywhere.<BR/><BR/>Follow me - the OPPOSITE of white supremacy is NOT multiculturalism it is equal opportunity. The opposite of white supremacy is SOCIAL MOBILITY for all citizens (irregardless of the personal customs, religion or color).<BR/><BR/>But as you say, and REVEAL, and TRULY in his mind, in your mind and in the mind of MANY MANY OTHERS, he could not repudiate white supremacy.<BR/><BR/>END OF THE STORY.<BR/><BR/>Yesterday on the busiest shopping day of the year, in what would ostensily be a monocultured, monocolored northern new england I took a good look around as a result of all this. I heard about 6 difernet languages, and saw every race imgainable. Everyone was CULTURALLY SPEAKING doing the same thing. Cursory observation, sure.<BR/><BR/>But signifying Assimilation. Why? Because if you study hard and go to school, you prbably have the same shot as everyone else, and if you make it you get MORE respect than if you are the son of someone else's accomplishment.<BR/><BR/>Now, what Dewinter said DENIES this. By saying it's a metaphor, by being COMPELLED to crawfish around on that because he needs HIS BASE to know he is not weakening he has demonstrated his priority.<BR/><BR/>Will you PLEASE forget this nazi thing. I don't think VB is nazi. I think that in their movement are so many White Supremacists hiding in the cultural defense baloney that they are hopelessly compromised.<BR/><BR/>I see the same thing whenever I post on the need for american border security. In the border security movement are so many who are 'cultural defenders' (code word alert) that I get reams of email from them as if I agree with these pricks. So I hate to post on it now. But I do when it comes up.<BR/><BR/>If we, who are against jihad with ALL WE ARE DOING feel this way, what do you think most americans would think (if they even noticed). Of course, one way to get them to notice these guys is to take them in and mention them as allies all the time.<BR/><BR/>That would be the END over here. We in this movement would be in the minds of americans ... DAVID DUKE. White supremacy is the same.<BR/><BR/>By the way, at one time, the south could have made the exact same argument you made...'hey that's our heritage, we can't help it'<BR/><BR/>Sorry but in the USA it hasn't been the same for even two generations, starting with the election of Andrew Jackson, which the Virginians group really thought meant the end of the USA as they knew it. It's ALWAYS changing heritage. It's ALWAYS changing cultural norms. This makes a lot of people very nervous. It always has. That's why Stormfront exists, btw. FEAR.<BR/><BR/>I will go back again to square one. It was INADVISABLE for VB to be at that conference. They can do whatever the hell they want in Flanders. I really don't care. It's their nation. But when they cross the border as they did .... it's no longer the same.<BR/><BR/>DeWinter had a choice. He made it. Fine.<BR/><BR/>But the result as you can see is now that we have two movements, one that accepts white historical cultural imperatives as an endpoint (however you want to say it) as a valid cost of doing business, and one that will have nothing to do with it.<BR/><BR/>I worked against the KKK face to face. That's all you need to know about where I come down. I have heard it all to my face. From 'nice' people at the country clubs. It's all the same. All one thing, and it's NOT counter Sharia or counter the vile hatreds preached in the mosques and paid for by oil.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-66185280754284048172007-11-24T07:15:00.000+00:002007-11-24T07:15:00.000+00:00So you are a multiculturalist, but you make the ex...So you are a multiculturalist, but you make the exception for Islam.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Pastorius, but multiculturalism is a deranged Utopia and it doesn't work at all. I rather see the mosaic of indigenous people around the world preserving their own countries and cultures, than this ongoing steamrolling of local societies and traditions, orchestrated by the central command by our Culturally Marxist elites.<BR/><BR/>So we will have to agree to disagree about that.<BR/> <BR/>If we had had a healthy immigration/integration policy in the first place -- Muslims or no Muslims -- and not this vicious form of centrally commanded Cultural Marxism, you and I would have had an all different discussion by now.<BR/><BR/>But you seem unaware of what has happened in Europe during many decades. Immigration/integration is a complete mess no matter where people come from. If you check no documents and hand out all this money for free, etc., you will attract all the wrong people, no matter where they come from. And even the right people will start behaving badly and abuse the system. <BR/><BR/>In Sweden it's virtually impossible to immigrate just because you've found a job. The only way in is to throw away your documents, and then yell "asylum" once inside. Many of them pay high amounts of money to human smugglers to enter. A complete mess has been created. The Muslims are the worst of the problems we have, but not the only one. I'm not blaming the foreigners who come here abusing the system, I blame the system. But is has destroyed the ability for a normal immigration policy for quite some time. What is needed now is firefighting, and restrictiveness aiming at getting back to normality. <BR/><BR/>It's true that there are people who are more concerned with whiteness than I am. For me the only thing I'm concerned about is that the indigenous population is guaranteed to remain a majority. But without changes this will be gone already in two generations.<BR/><BR/>You see I just do not buy into the idea of "no friends to the right". There are people who want to go further than me, but I can still work with them under the current circumstances. The only people I can't work with are anti-semitic crackpots, and people obsessed with white genes. And they are both useless anyway, and too likely to side with Islam.<BR/><BR/>But most people that put ethnicity before multiculturalism are not like that, and you will have to make that distinction and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.<BR/><BR/>In Europe national identity is historically based on ethnicity. The dream you have of changing that is exactly the dream that is destroying Europe now.<BR/><BR/>I cannot see why we couldn't have different models in America and Europe and still support each other in the fight against Islam. Why the need to impose this conformism?Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-15050175485846105292007-11-24T04:23:00.000+00:002007-11-24T04:23:00.000+00:00Pastorius,If you had followed what has happened in...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>If you had followed what has happened in Europe during the last decades, and the situation that the reckless policy of the socialists/liberals has put us in, you would have known that letting the demographics play out as they may really isn't a viable option.<BR/><BR/>I recommend you Fjordman for a starting point for reading up on this.<BR/><BR/>In another and ideal world without several decades of reckless leftist/liberal poisoning, we could easily have said "let the demographics play out as they may". But all this capital has been wasted by the leftists/liberals, and now the only thing left to do, is to do the best from saving us from a devastating civil war.<BR/><BR/>Btw, I'm glad for you that you can feel such schaudenfreude at the plight of Europe. Quite as Mark Steyn and Charles Johnson. We are getting loads of new allies from America right now. But the ones gloating at the misery of our situation have... exposed themselves. <BR/><BR/>So thank you Pastorius, I don't think we need you. You seem to be much happier working for the counter-counter-Jihad of Charles Johnson. Make your day, and come out of the closet now.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-74504184694900850912007-11-24T02:34:00.000+00:002007-11-24T02:34:00.000+00:00He is doing a good job ... at exposing himself.He is doing a good job ... at exposing himself.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-80447513525949768052007-11-24T02:19:00.000+00:002007-11-24T02:19:00.000+00:00I think CS is doing a great job. Since no one know...I think CS is doing a great job. <BR/><BR/>Since no one knows me I was just keeping my opinion to myself :)VinceP1974https://www.blogger.com/profile/14213974096172795917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-19443805571216723532007-11-24T02:14:00.000+00:002007-11-24T02:14:00.000+00:00Conservative Swede said:"What would you have wante...Conservative Swede said:<BR/><BR/>"What would you have wanted him to answer? That he's against a "white Europe" and wants a multicultural Europe? What answer would have pleased you?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>That's funny because Lord knows, the only other answer could have been that he's against a white Europe. He couldn't have said he was willing to let the demographics play out as they may given the decent immigrants who already exist in Europe, right?<BR/><BR/>No, he couldn't have said that, because that is not one of the possible answers in the mind of Conservative Swede.<BR/><BR/>Let's look at it again. Conservative Swede said:<BR/><BR/>"What would you have wanted him to answer? That he's against a "white Europe" and wants a multicultural Europe? What answer would have pleased you?"<BR/><BR/>I'm still laughing, CS.<BR/><BR/>Give 'em enough rope.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if I'm not being culturally sensitive to you, my Euro friend, but you are the butt of an American joke here.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-79928415181875364902007-11-24T01:46:00.000+00:002007-11-24T01:46:00.000+00:00Epa,Dewinter was asked about what he said back in ...Epa,<BR/><BR/>Dewinter was asked about what he said back in 1991, and then he answered that it was a metaphor. What would you have wanted him to answer? That he's against a "white Europe" and wants a multicultural Europe? What answer would have pleased you?<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't use a concept as "white Europe", but it doesn't imply white supremacism. "White Europe" is simply a historical fact. It's part of who we are historically. It has nothing to do with Nazi theories of racial purity. "White Europe" wasn't created in a Nazi lab, it grew naturally through ten thousands of years of history. They are the indigenous people, quite as there are other indigenous people in other places.<BR/><BR/>However, quite as the confederate flag makes some people think that you want to reinstitute slavery (seriously!), there are people who think the expression "white Europe" could only mean Nazi theories of racial purity. Therefore it's better not to use it. But so Dewinter hasn't been using it since 1991.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-68395636553977047352007-11-23T18:11:00.000+00:002007-11-23T18:11:00.000+00:00Pastorius,The Jews are not only the canary in the ...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>The Jews are not only the canary in the mine. Zionist Jews also serve well as a litmus test.<BR/><BR/>If a party is joined and supported by Zionist Jews, while it's described as Nazi-like through the widespread propaganda megaphones of the PC establishment. What are you supposed to believe? Logic and appropriate litmus tests are good ways of assessing the situation. The ostracism of the establishment just animates the reptile brain and stifles any clear thinking.<BR/><BR/>You remember BTB (bromothymol blue) from school? You put it in a substance, and if the substance is acid, the BTB makes the whole thing go yellow, and if the substance is a base, then the BTB makes the whole thing go blue. BTB is an indicator of pH.<BR/><BR/>Now I put the BTB in the liquid for you, and show it turns blue. And then you get annoyed with me, and say that you were not at all interested in the BTB and what colour it would take, but in whether the liquid is acid or a base. And you continue to say that the whole thing is simplistic and ridiculous, and a game you do not want to play. How can I explain the concept of a litmus test to you?<BR/><BR/>This applies directly to your concerns that CVF and the anti-Jihad resistance network would be allying themselves with Nazi-like parties. If these parties are joined and supported by Zionist Jews, do you still believe that they are Nazi-like? If the liquid turns blue when we put BTB in it, do you still believe that it is acid?Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-19909062727441593342007-11-23T18:05:00.000+00:002007-11-23T18:05:00.000+00:00AMDG,You think it would be hard to get Westerners ...AMDG,<BR/>You think it would be hard to get Westerners to agree on the idea of Freedom of conscience for the individual.<BR/><BR/>LOL!<BR/><BR/>And yes, you're right, that's a Celtic Cross there. Conclusion? I am a Nazi.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-12624774215682506062007-11-23T17:41:00.000+00:002007-11-23T17:41:00.000+00:00> This reflects a certain desparation, in my opini...<I> > This reflects a certain desparation, in my opinion. Many in the counter-Jihad are grasping for help from anyone from whom they might receive it.</I><BR/><BR/>Our situation is desperate; I think no reasonable person can deny it, can you?<BR/><BR/><I> > However, the counter-Jihad movement, if it is to become a large movement, must above all, stand for a body of ideas, and not merely stand against the international Jihad.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I see a contradiction in this statement. If the movement is going to become large, it should be encompassing and focus on the main issue, instead of looking for ideological purity. <BR/><BR/>And these are just two comments; the entire article is deceptive starting from the title: the CVF is stating conditions for the possible collaboration. And the conditions are appropriate in my view. Already said: pure evil. <BR/><BR/>BTW, I see an Irish cross in the image on top; conclusion: White supremacists!AMDGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15087668708618365208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-69390513306577159782007-11-23T16:21:00.000+00:002007-11-23T16:21:00.000+00:00If that is his point, then, it is simplistic and r...If that is his point, then, it is simplistic and ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>I will repeat:<BR/><BR/>My point has never been that Jews are converting to Nazism.<BR/><BR/>My point is that I am concerned that many Infidels seem to be desparately grasping for whatever help they can get in our fight against the Jihadis. And, some are forming alliances which I don't believe to be wise.<BR/><BR/>In case you guys aren't getting MY POINT, I will spell it out for you. <BR/><BR/>When I use the term "Infidels", I include Jews in that group.<BR/><BR/>In other words I am saying that Jews (as a subset of Infidels) are among those who would form alliances which I don't believe to be wise.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-29523780833323508982007-11-23T15:45:00.001+00:002007-11-23T15:45:00.001+00:00Guess what. I'm not going to play your game.Why do...Guess what. I'm not going to play your game.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you get to your point?<BR/><BR/>Are you afraid of something?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-57678423949489171702007-11-23T15:45:00.000+00:002007-11-23T15:45:00.000+00:00Guess what. I'm not going to play your game.Why do...Guess what. I'm not going to play your game.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you get to your point?<BR/><BR/>Are you afraid of something?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-54340041591521259862007-11-23T15:35:00.000+00:002007-11-23T15:35:00.000+00:00Pastorius,It's just a simple question. Surely you ...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>It's just a simple question. Surely you can answer it. I have to take it step by step now, since you missed this point the last times. So there will be one more question after this.<BR/><BR/>So again:<BR/><BR/><B>Do you believe there exist any Pro-Zionist Jews that are Nazis?</B>Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-34347188926756855562007-11-23T13:25:00.000+00:002007-11-23T13:25:00.000+00:00CS,My point has never been that Jews are convertin...CS,<BR/><BR/>My point has never been that Jews are converting to Nazism.<BR/><BR/>My point is that I am concerned that many Infidels seem to be desparately grasping for whatever help they can get in our fight against the Jihadis. And, some are forming alliances which I don't believe to be wise.Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-50487156877468961142007-11-23T10:34:00.000+00:002007-11-23T10:34:00.000+00:00CS: "Epa would care if he saw what I see among the...CS: "Epa would care if he saw what I see among the European Jews. He just hasn't payed attention."<BR/><BR/>Again you make LARGE assumptions.<BR/>DO I care, sure. Would it move me on Dewinter?<BR/><B>Only Dewinter can do that.</B><BR/><BR/>However, it would inspire me to make a lot of phone calls to people I know asking them some hard questions over there. It would prove that jews deserted their heritage and history and the Talmud for the false perception of safety<BR/><BR/>I would think their european heritage got the best of them.<BR/><BR/>European jews were 'good germans' in the 20's and 30's and are dead, including about HALF my family. From the escapees we learn they were AFRAID of the commies, and thought those other guys would be a better choice. Some, right up until November 1938, in the last few weeks actually. And then, so sorry.<BR/><BR/>See if you 'get' my point in this.<BR/><BR/>The reason there IS an america, is because of europe.<BR/><BR/>We have some similar values. As nations go, we have very similar values AS AN IDEAL, but we are not at all the same.<BR/><BR/>We are the children of the people who felt they had to get out of dodge. We are not here because our great grandparents got a promotion.<BR/><BR/>Therefore what lies between us right at this moment is precisely why our antecedents left or had to leave.<BR/><BR/>We are the children of awful, political, and religious refugees, and those who could find no hope of equality in, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.<BR/><BR/>You are claiming there is only a perceptive difference between what you see in VB and what we see, that objectively as Henrik has put it elsewhere 'they are fine'. Our heritage, and the european history which made america argue to us the difference is OBJECTIVE, and they are not.<BR/><BR/>Think about all that.Epaminondashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811906954763827459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19209018.post-41395881385967988582007-11-23T07:36:00.000+00:002007-11-23T07:36:00.000+00:00CS: Do you know any Pro-Zionist Jews that are Nazi...<I>CS: Do you know any Pro-Zionist Jews that are Nazis?<BR/><BR/>Pastorius: No, I don't.</I><BR/><BR/>Next question: Do you think there exist any?Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.com