So What's the Cure?

Back in early September, there was a short post called "If Islam is an Infection, What's the Cure?" and many of us weighed in with good answers. I thought I'd post a follow-up edited summary of the answers. I tried to make this as short as possible (and failed miserably)"

Blogger Pastorius said, "Ronald Reagan would say Freedom. Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln would say, beating the hell out of them physically, and then forcing them to change mentally by changing their laws, institutions and way of life from the top down. I side with Lincoln on this one...I think the mental game is won by force of law. Sharia is sedition. The penalty for sedition should be death or deportment to a Muslim country of the prisoner's choice. The reason we are not truly having success in Iraq is because we did not fight this war the way we fought Japan, Germany, and the American South."

Blogger Damien said, "We will not get rid of Islam in our lifetime, regardless of our desires. However, we may be able to westernize and demilitarize any terrorist-supporting Islamic countries if we force them into unconditional surrender and we make them except the separation of Mosque and state in a written Constitution. We would then have to occupy the country for awhile to make sure they obey the new constitution. In the meantime to the best of our ability, shutting down all the madrassas and replacing everything from their school textbooks to their television programs with ones that support things like freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, deprogramming the demoralized population.

"Another possibility would be to do everything we could do to weaken and subvert Islamic governments. Our government could covertly support and encourage rebellion.

"The least we could do and should do is stand up for our values. Stop being politically correct and say that western culture is superior to Islamic culture. Support individual rights and human rights and point out that they don't depend on culture. Also stand up against the Islam-o-Fascist when it comes to religious freedom in particular and as Citizen Warrior always says, stop conceding to their demands."

Blogger Max Publius said, "I liken the situation with Islam to mental AIDS, which is from the virus HIV of course."

Blogger Aukmuntr said, "People who have not studied the nature of the enemy and therefore don't know that they are even an enemy. So education on the true nature of Islam to the masses is the key, then we could deploy the only solution that will prevail: All out annihilation of this festering boil of control freaks.

"Education is not enough, but it appears to be a tool to at least slow them down a bit. As CAIR sends its propaganda minions to communities across the nation, people don't even know about taqiyya.

"I teach this to everyone I know, and it is amazing to see the reactions on their faces. To top it off, most are very willing to know the facts and want more and more. I have had quick conversations with everyday people turn into hours long discussions, repeatedly. SPREAD THE WORD my friends! People will listen."

Blogger Epaminondas said, "The cure (here at any rate) is relentless civil suits against the mosques and every individual on the boards of directors of the mosques in the court for teachings which result in violent attack. Imagine where we would if the mosque of the moron who ran down the kids at UNC was driven in to nonexistence and each member of the board of directors of the mosque was reduced to utter penury for allowing teachings that resulted in the attack ...or the attack at the JCC in Seattle?"

"We would either drive out those who insist they are compelled by god to teach violence and hate which results in violence, or break the cycle and result in those who would eschew such teachings PERMANENTLY."

Blogger Anonymous said, "A sustained and thorough campaign of propaganda against Islam, followed, if need be, by a large nuke above the Kaaba."

Blogger Pastorius said, "The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) had some success in breaking up white supremacist groups by suing them for the results of their indoctrination."

Blogger SamenoKami said, "A warrior religion must be defeated via war. Islam's goal is world domination and they (leaders/those who buy into that) will not stop if it takes 5yrs or 500yrs. They must be physically beaten into submission and kept there."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Some form of discrimination needs to be established against the Islamic religion, and a careful watch set up in each mosque to monitor what is preached in the khutba (Friday sermon). This may seem harsh and undemocratic, but for survival reasons it has to be done. Islam IS different than other religions. The really rabid, infectious Muslims need to be isolated from others (quarantined), just as you would a rabid dog, to prevent the spread of the virus. And for any of this to happen, there has to be a political will that would support the discrimination and military actions necessary, which means a lot more people need to know about the uniqueness of Islamic religious teachings. Far too many people in the free world are completely ignorant of the fact that Islam is any different from any other religion.

"I've heard many people give the excuse that you CAN'T educate people because they won't listen. That's not good enough. YOU have to get better at speaking, then. You need to increase your ability to persuade. This is no time to give up. This is no time to throw in the towel.

"There are plenty of good books on persuasion. There are plenty of people in this world who started out selling shoes or newspapers who were unskilled and didn't make a lot of money, but with perseverance they LEARNED and became very GOOD at selling. You can do it too. It's worth taking the time to develop the most important skill you can have in this battle at this time (unless you are a soldier): The ability to effectively influence your fellow citizens."

Blogger Pastorius said, "We have never won a war and effectively changed a people over from one ideology to another without being absolutely physically/militarily RUTHLESS first."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Total military domination is necessary to QUICKLY change the belief systems of the population of a country. In Germany and Japan, the U.S. occupied the countries for a time, after completely defeating their war machine. And the the U.S. forced a new way of doing and thinking on the population.

"For the political will to do something like that, massive education of our fellow citizens is vital, which is why the IBA is so important. And why each of us needs to take what we learn out into the world and talk to people who do NOT know about Islam, and do it effectively."

Blogger Bosch Fawstin said, "Even the least infected of Muslims have still been corrupted by its indifference to matters outside of Islam."

Blogger Pastorius said, "We have fought three wars which FORCED fundamental change:

"1) the American Civil war (we burned Atlanta to the ground, leaving them with practically nothing, and assuring them of the fact that we were willing to level absolute destruction on a massive scale) ...

"2) Germany - Dresden fire-bombing, need I say more

"3) Japan - nukes - bye bye 150,000 people and two whole cities.

"After the war we were just as ruthless to their ideologies as we were to their cities.

"We banned the state religion/ideology in all three cases. Banned shinto buddhims, nazism and slavery. No dissemination or advocation of such was allowed in the years after the war.

"We have not done that in either Iraq or Afghanistan, and that's why Islam is still in control and that's why we will have even more trouble down the road, and that's why even more people will be killed than we can imagine at this time.

"Absolute War - Absolute ideological destruction.

"One - two

"Bam Bam.

"That's it.

"That's how you force fundamental change.

"The solution for us is memetics, not for the Jihadis. We need to come up with catchy slogans (branding) which will teach our people about our enemy. But memes and catchy slogans are not going to work on Islam itself."

"Bam bam. A punch to the gut (nation) and a punch to the head (ideas)."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Really all the solutions need to be done: Enlightening our fellow citizens, using military force, quarantines for the most contagious spreaders of hate, and the forceful suppression of seditious writing and speech which means the forceful suppression of most Islamic writings. Tough stuff. It'll never get done until non-Muslims are very clear about the true nature of fundamental Islamic teachings."

Blogger Pastorius said, "I have often thought we won't win until much of the left agrees with us. One of the best things we've got going in our favor when it comes to the leftist anti-Western paradigm falling, is that lefties are supremely selfish and addicted to their toys and comforts. The moment their comforts are taken away from them, Islam will not longer be considered a weapon with which to attack the West, and will become, instead, an enemy."

Blogger Bosch Fawstin said, "Damien asks: 'Were you corrupted by that same indifference when you saw yourself as Muslim?'

To a point, yes, as it was the given that their was an Us and Them attitude around the home. The casual derogatory terms regarding Jews, adopting the Arabic term 'Yahoodi', [spelling may be off] But I had the good fortune of having relatively lax Muslim parents and the great fortune of being raised in America, where Western values were readily available all around us and became part of us, even 'corrupting' my parents ever more so away from Islam, though they would never have dared thought so, seeing themselves as devout Muslims."

Blogger Pastorius said, "Every other option is on the table as far as I'm concerned. Islam is extremely dangerous. It hasn't changed in 1300 years, and yet weaponry has gotten more advanced. That means, their religion, which is as barbarous as the Dark Ages (which really is the origin of the Dark Ages, if you ask me) has now got the chance to fight with modern weaponry.

Dark Ages plus nuclear weapons = Not a good thing

In my opinion, we start throwing them out by enforcing our laws against sedition. If we give them the option of either the death penalty or deportation to a Sharia state of their choice, then good for them. They get to live under Sharia. And, good for us, we're done with them.

Enforce the law, see who complains and then expel those people as well.

Rinse and repeat.

That's my recommendation."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Along the lines of what Pastorius was saying about forcing Japan and Germany to change their ways...In the movie I Am Legend, Will Smith had to capture the sick ones and strap them down and FORCE them to take the cure. They were so wild and violent they wouldn't do it on their own."

Blogger Pastorius said, "Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a total bullshit leftist organization IN MY OPINION, but they have had great success against the KKK, which means that they deserve kudos for that.

However, the reason I don't like them is they continue to ignore the Islamic threat and act as if the KKK is the biggest problem in the U.S. today.

That's complete bullshit. And yet, they still continue to get massive donations from aging hippies.

But I digress.

The real point is they have had success by suing the KKK into submission."

Blogger Damien said, "Citizen Warrior, you asked,
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And yet they are isolated and marginalized. I wonder how that is done? They must have been labeled an illegal group or something. The FBI must be trying to shut them down all the time. Their activities must be illegal.

Does anyone know the specifics of how the KKK is kept suppressed?
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I saw a documentary on the History Channel a while back called "The Ku Klux Klan: A Secret History," It was very interesting. The program talked about the hate group's origins and history. It answers your questions perfectly. One of the things that helped to marginalize the klan is the same thing we are doing right here and right now to defeat the Islamists, educating people about them, letting outsiders know how they think, their goals and their motives.

Also if you're interested they made another Program called "Nazi America: A Secret History" It was about Neo Nazis. Both programs may teach us a thing or two about how to deal with Islamic fanatics. However we have to keep in mind that just because a tactic worked against Klansmen or Nazis, doesn't necessarily mean it will work when dealing with Islam-o-Fascists. But you could still watch either program to get some good ideas."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "It's possible at least some of the legal actions taken against the KKK might be applicable to dealing with Jihadis within our borders.

Last night I was watching Terrorists Among Us for the hundredth time (perhaps I exaggerate) and saw taqiyya again, more clearly than ever. Steven Emerson interviewed Jihadis up close and personal and they lied right to his face. Emerson showed an interview clip where a Jihadi says "no, I don't know anything about that," and he immediately afterward, he showed articles or speeches by that same Jihadi calling for jihad!"

Blogger Damien said, "Maybe Television, Radio, And the Internet are their weakness. I wonder what that one Jihadist would think if he saw "The Terrorist Among Us" and how they blew his cover. He'd probably wish that Television and Video was never invented. Its much harder to keep lying and get away with it, once most people realize your a liar."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Pastorius, here's a new improved version of your RPOV8:

Sharia is sedition; expel Jihadis from the country.

No matter what else the U.S. government does, that should DEFINITELY be done. As soon as enough of us are clear that Sharia really IS sedition, I think that would be pretty easy legislation to pass."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "The answer to taqiyya is exposing the lies. That's one of the things I really liked about the movie, Obsession. They showed Jihadis being interviewed by the western media, and they said one thing. Then it showed them speaking in Arabic to their own people, saying just the opposite. Taqiyya captured on film!"

Blogger SamenoKami said, "I think the KKK is suppressed because most people see them as idiots and avoid them. The FBI used/uses agents provocateur to goad them into stupider things and arrests them. The KKK peaked in the '40s maybe, so the philosophy is dying out, which is quite the opposite of jihaders.

I owned stock in the company that makes a directed sound thingy. I don't know if it was totally weaponized but about a year ago a cruise ship used the device to drive off pirates. The sound can be focused so that just one person in a group hears it. There was talk of singling out one jihader in a group and speaking to him in the name of allah - 'Kill those with you for they dishonor me' kinda stuff and letting him hear the 'voice of allah' and do our job for us."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "Most people see them as idiots." I like that. Most people see them as idiots or as a danger to a civil society. And that's one of my missions: To help people see Islam's relentless encroachment as a danger to civil society, a danger to democracy, and a danger to civil liberties. When enough people see them that way, the legislation is easy, and so is the willingness to be ruthless where we need to.

SamenoKami, using that sound thingy as the voice of Allah is a creative idea!

In some ways I think the ingenuity of the free world unleashed on this problem would come at it from a thousand different angles and Jihadis, with their backward ways of thinking and lack of creativity, wouldn't stand a chance against the fun-loving, rock-n-rolling, inventive democracies."

Blogger Pastorius said, "Sharia is sedition; expel Jihadis from the country. That's the best yet, in my opinion."

Blogger Citizen Warrior said, "If we think of jihad as an infection of the mind, it would be a logical choice to take someone already raging with the contagious disease and get them away from the healthy ones. And you've hit on an already established, perfectly legal, perfectly justifiable (given already-existing laws) reason to do so. Expel the seditious."

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We are still waiting for Brigitte Gabriel's answer (the author of They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It). When she leaves her answer on the original post, I'll add it to this summary.