I support Andrew Bostom and Robert Spencer
Bostom supports Diana West
Diana West supports VB
Does that mean I support ethnic nationalism?
Anyone care to take that one up?
Anyone who has seen my posts and comments knows just how strongly I feel.
Charles Johnson has managed to parlay a righteous dislike for 'white europe' into some logical off the cliff pathway to considering Robert Spencer as supporting some of the unarguably racist commenters at GoV.
I don't know about the rest of you, but enough is enough.
If someone like the eminently sensible, and quite fair Spencer can be smeared in this way, it's time to look critically at the source.
Too bad, but THAT'S HOW IT IS TODAY
This entire mess has passed ridiculous, passed meaningful, passed stupid, past venal and it is now absurd.
I'm with Robert Spencer, and Andrew Bostom on this one.
Johnson, you are wrong.
Over the line, over the edge, and into the abyss
That's all there is on this one.
Bostom supports Diana West
Diana West supports VB
Does that mean I support ethnic nationalism?
Anyone care to take that one up?
Anyone who has seen my posts and comments knows just how strongly I feel.
Charles Johnson has managed to parlay a righteous dislike for 'white europe' into some logical off the cliff pathway to considering Robert Spencer as supporting some of the unarguably racist commenters at GoV.
I don't know about the rest of you, but enough is enough.
If someone like the eminently sensible, and quite fair Spencer can be smeared in this way, it's time to look critically at the source.
Too bad, but THAT'S HOW IT IS TODAY
This entire mess has passed ridiculous, passed meaningful, passed stupid, past venal and it is now absurd.
I'm with Robert Spencer, and Andrew Bostom on this one.
Johnson, you are wrong.
Over the line, over the edge, and into the abyss
That's all there is on this one.
I agree completely, I just don't know what mosquito has biten him.
ReplyDeleteI think Spencer's position is too clear on this subject to consider him a "pro-nazi" or "pro-white nationalist".
Initially I felt my loyalties being stretched when the great anti-jihad schism first materialized. At first I followed both side's arguments carefully, and so I could see just how both sides began to harden their positions.
ReplyDeleteThen one day I just decided that since I have always been willing to extract pertinent information (where possible) from a number of 'unsavory sources' - such as Al Jaz, the Beeb, The New York Slimes, or even Mein Kampf, (taken with grains of salt of course), that I should likewise be willing to monitor any and all useful sources of jihad/anti-jihad information regardless of the strong personalities behind the collection and delivery of same.
I'm glad I took this path because it allows me to select what I need from the best anti-jihad sources available, without troubling myself about all of the infighting. In short, I don't much care what either Pamela or Charles (or their commenters) are thinking. I care about what they are posting.
Although I saw Mr. Spencer's posting this morning, I haven't yet left a comment at that thread over at JW. I'll be heading over there shortly.
ReplyDeleteI've been too stunned to pull my thoughts together. Accusing Robert Spencer of racism is beyond the pale. At LGF's disabling of the links in the posting cost me over an hour this morning. I'm one of those types who has to see it to believe it. I finally found the LGF thread. Surreal!
I agree, Epa.
ReplyDeleteGood post.
Hear, hear! Robert Spencer's decency was one of the endearing attributes that make me recommend his writing to others. (His accuracy is another.) I’m glad to see the old gang here solidly behind him. I was overjoyed to notice everyone’s comment at Jihad Watch.
ReplyDeleteSpencer will likely be meeting with members of the Vlaams Belang next month at the Alliance of European Patriots conference in Jerusalem. I guess CJ decided to throw him under the bus early. Next month he will surely do the same to Geert Wilders, Arieh Eldad, Daniel Pipes and the rest of the attendees.
ReplyDeleteI can’t for the life of me understand why CJ in the past few months appears intent on destroying the Counter-jihad from within, all in the name of some so-called purist pseudo-angelistic notion that men should be like Angels, inflexibly, one-dimensionally and immorally good. If he’s going to argue from that position despite apparently being a believer in secularism, he would do well to remember that theologically-speaking, Man was created to be ABOVE the Angel’s not be stuck on the same lowly level as them.
ReplyDeleteWhy is he causing this schism, this slow and gradual betrayal? Is it merely because he needs advertisers? Has his site suddenly become home to mobys? Doe’s he, in his mind see the writing on the wall regarding the future and is cynically throwing everyone to the croc’s in advance, hoping he will either be spared or at least eaten last?
One thing I have noticed is that LGF appears content to sit back and report and document Islamic aggression from the distance as detached watchers, seeing it fit to maintain the current untenable status quo of socialist treachery, gradual Islamic encroachment (as well as blindly supporting ineffective republicans who betray their own base) rather then seeking to revolutionize the status quo permanently in our favour by being proactive instead of waiting for a unblemished (as in red heifer) superhuman semi-divine being to do all the heavy lifting.
Coming from Europe, I can honestly say that I hate the Ethnic (national) Socialists with a passion however unless the US is willing to save our asses a 3rd time, we’re left with no options other then to quietly fade away barring a unlikely grassroots based Commonsense Revolution which is about as likely to appear as a unblemished messianic leader and defender of the freeworld.
JH
I like and admire Robert Spencer. I've read many of his books and listened to many of his talks, and he goes out of his way to make it clear he is not talking about anything ethnic or racial.
ReplyDelete"Initially I felt my loyalties being stretched..." said I
ReplyDeleteOk, I've looked deeper now at the most recent flare-up and I find myself scratching my head in sheer disbelief. WTF Charles?
Robert Spencer is to be censored and discredited because he hasn't chosen to censor the same websites you have chosen to censor?
Should I take his books down off my shelf and have them pulped now? Would that help someone like me, who reads lgf every day, but also reads Robert Spencer, to avoid being implicated with the kind of 'stealth racism' that has pegged your needle?
We're not lines of code Charles, we are people. You can drive yourself nuts trying to tease out every last defect from any program involving humans. A willingness to maintain an open mind and to ALLOW OTHERS to freely examine the information and to reach their own conclusions is a fundamental quality of Western civilization.
Well, it is in my book.