My question is should we patronized artists who compromise their art? so as to conform to islamic demands, or offer support to any moslem cause.
Just lately I have been looking for and downloading a lot of music, especially from the sixties through too the eighties.
One album I looked for was Brian Eno,s/David Bryon,s My Life In the Ghost of Bushes, which I think is the only worthwhile album of Brian Enos that rises above his normal crap.
For those that do not know, the original vinyl release contained a track called Qu'ran, which does not appear on any release after 1982 because they got a request /demand from an Islamic organization in London, who said, 'We consider this blasphemy that you put grooves to the chanting of the Holy Book.
The truth is, this track over shadows everything else on the album.
What is also very disturbing about Brian Eno is he was one of the main speakers at the Free Palestinian rally in London which led up to the riots, where moslems and Stop the War/UAF thugs attacked the police
This video contains the lost track plus parts of the original samples that where used, also a snippet from Bladerunner, which uses Qu'ran in the soundtrack
I LOVE Brian Eno's music. However, I think he is either a one-world New Ager, or an outright Muslim. In his release of his diaries he must about how Christian nations drink alcohol, while Muslim nations smoke marijuana.
ReplyDeleteHe also detailed, exhaustively, the number of drinks he had per day vs. the amount of ganja he smoked.
I thought that was strange.
I can't figure the guy out. He could simply be an idiotic leftie.
Of course, he has worked closely with U2, who have been supporters of Salman Rushdie, so who knows?
I have the original vinyl of this, and I have the CD. I just checked and you are right that the Quran song has been "redacted".
What an ass. I am losing respect for a man who I think is among the greatest composers and arrangers of music in history.
The fuck.
Yoo Jaco
ReplyDeleteMy dislike for Eno goes way back to 1972 when I saw Roxy Music live in Plymouth (Eng),His musical farts and bleeps where not much more than a distraction, I saw them again in Gothernburg in 1976 with Eddie Jobson, what a difference.
I think one of the main reasons he was able to become popular with his new age musik, is because in Britian it was very difficult in the seventies and eighties to obtain musik coming out of Germany and the rest of Europe.
Most of Enos musik can be traced back to the Berlin sound and Motorik school
Jaco, I do not know if you have listened to people like klaus Schultze, Robert Schroeder, Manuel Gottshing or Michael Rother. Not to forget great electronic composers such as Vangelis, Michael Jarre or Georgio Moroder.
Maybe I should upload some of this stuff
Eno is just another rip off merchant in the same class as Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page, where as Clapton and Page ripped of Black music, Eno ripped of the German school.
What is interesting is the orginal samles for a few tracks for My life in the bush of ghosts where taken from an album put together by Jean Jenkins, who happened to be a hardcore leftwinger, who was nearly deported from the UK for her political activities.
I believe that artists who support Palistine should be shunned, U2 included
Have you forgotten U2,s rehearsal for the Jan. 17, 2009 at the Lincoln Memorial for the "We Are One" Obama Inaugural Concert, where Bono was calling for Palistine.
Ooh it is a bitter pill to swallow when artists who we have come to respect sell out to the enemy, I know because I have had to swallow that pill, and this was when one of britians best bands "Hawkwind,s" bass player coverted to islam
Any artist that supports Islam or Racism should be exposed and treated in the same way as Nick Griffin is treated.
Jeppo,
ReplyDeleteI admit, I did not know the history, including Bono's support of "Palestine".
You must admit Eno's music went beyond blips and farts.
That being said, if he has dedicated his art to idiotic causes, and if he has convinced Bono and U2 to go along with him, he is an evil person.
That is a tragedy.
Nietzsche, Wagner, and Shelley were all evil human beings as well.
This is the way of the world.
It can make you cry (the tragedy), or it can make you laugh (the comedy of the situation), but no matter what, it is a human issue.
Jaco
ReplyDeleteTen days before Obama,s Inaugural Concert, where Bono was calling for Palistine we have this from Eno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOs8jincMO0
And we know how this rally finished
One final titbit
Eno Is not a moslem, but he is along with George Soros and a whole host of heavy weight leftards, a founding member of European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR),
I do not think Eno had much influence Bono and U2, it is part and parcel of many artist who are fighting for a cause
ReplyDeleteI is a pity that youtube took down Paul Stanleys pro American rant supporting American troops, yet let anti Israeli videos stay put.
Any way Jaco, Have you listened to Klause Schultz or Robert Schroeder if not I will upload some samplers, and try to get some links, I am sure you will amazed at what you will hear, and what you have missed out on.
The only problem with Schultze is he has drawn a lot of influence from Wagner And Nitzer, But in turn Eno has ripped from Schultze so basically a big part of Eno,s roots can be found in Wagner, what a labyrinth
Shiva,
ReplyDeleteYou and I are not in agreement on the merits of Brian Eno.
I have Beauborg and China by Vangelis. And, I used to have Equinox by Jean Michael Jarre. I think they are great. And, yes, the influence on Eno is obvious.
However, Eno, in my opinion, is destined to go down in the history of the great composers of music, whereas Jarre will be largely forgotten and very little of Vangelis' music will be remembered.
I am not familiar with the other people you bring up.
Look, first you bring up My Life in the Bush of Ghosts here. Have you considered the fact that Brian Eno invented "Sampling" as an artform.
Have you listened to On Land? Have you listened to his reworking of Pachebel's Canon? Have you listened to Music For Airports? Have you listened to The Plateaux of Mirror, or The Pearl?
And, what of his brilliant production work on the duo of U2 songs, The Unforgettable Fire followed by Promenade?
Here's what Brian Eno did to change Classical Music. Before Eno, composers of Classical music would make notations on paper to direct the sound they wanted to accomplish. Additionally, they would use instruments to accomplish certain types of mood, and pictures/terrain in the mind.
Debussey was probably the culmination of this, in my opinion. He evoked Monet's paintings in a way. His music was naturally watery, when played by an orchestra which was sensitive to his aesthetic.
Brian Eno took the bull by the horns and showed composers of Classical Music HOW THEY CAN USE THE RECORDING STUDIO ITSELF AS AN INSTRUMENT.
In my opinion, he was the originator of this.
Earlier composers of Electronic music were simply using Synthesizers as their instrument.
Brian Eno expanded that.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
By the way, Brian Eno credits Joe Zawinul's composition of In A Silent Way, and the subsequent recording by Miles Davis, as the inspiration for the new direction he took in music.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that his work with Roxy Music was shit, and Roxy Music went on to do beautiful music without him.
But, I really have to wonder if you have actually listened to Brian Eno's best work, which I mentioned above.
Shiva,
ReplyDeleteSorry I called you Jeppo earlier in the thread.
:)
And, for those who don't know, Joe Zawinul was the leader of the band Weather Report, and that is the band in which Jaco Pastorius (my nom de plume, and my favorite musician) made a name for himself.
ReplyDeleteJaco also knew how to use the studio itself as an instrument.
That's why Weather Reports albums got better after Jaco joined, and worse after he left.
And, another by the way, Brian Eno recorded a musical tribute to Zawinul named "Zawinul Lava".
I can not let this subject go.
ReplyDeleteBrian Eno also produced the Talking Heads "Fear of Music" and "Remain in Light" albums. Both are brilliant. Remain in Light, in particular, changed the course of pop music.
Brian Eno also produced Devo's first album, on which he used absolutely different production techniques which fit the "mechanical" sound that Devo wanted.
That is a demonstration of Eno's creative acuity.
Yoo
ReplyDeleteI have heard several of Eno albums you mentioned, but to be truthful I never listened to. I had his first three albums, which at the time of their release I thought where okay.
I also happen to have a few other albums where he was involved with production. John Cale,s Fear and Robert Calvert,s Lucky Lief and the Longships which in my opinion was a disaster (BTW it was Calvert who wrote Assassins of Allah)
The people who Eno should be most thankful for are David Bowie and Tony Visconti who introduced him to the berlin school and great producers such as Connie Plank at the time they where doing Bowies LOW, an album wrongly aclaimed as produced by Eno
Eno did not acknowledges the German influence where as Bowie paid tribute to his Krautrock influences: the title is a nod to the track "Hero" on the album NEU! '75 by the German band Neu!,[6] while "V-2 Schneider" is inspired by and named after Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider
Interestingly you mention his work with Devo, Have you ever listened to NEU or Kraftwerk ?
I in the early seventies I was very much into Krautrock, and it was because of this I happen to see Roxy Music. I went to Plymouth to see Amon Duul, The following night Roxy where going to play at the same place, so I stayed over just to check them out
Any way it is because I had listen to so much great German rock could be the reason I am not impressed by Eno
I will dispute the claim about sampling, I think the Beatles and Pink Floyd where into sampling a few years before.
To be very truthful, I never listen to Weather Report as the form of music they play irritates me, the same as Miles Davis. I cannot explain why.
As for U2, ther music leaves me cold.
I have agree with you that he will go down in history as a great composer, but i think this will be due to how the music business works.
Any way how much of a true artist is he if he is willing to compromise his work at the whim of moslems.
So with out much more to say about his overhyped music I dont like his bleeps and farts and I dont like the man
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/dec/15/israel.guardianletters