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Friday, April 16, 2010

Timothy McVeigh was a Teabagger! Who Knew?!

Ok, so he doesn't come out and say exactly that. But there is enough innuendo and insinuation in here to know The Tea Party movement has them scared to the point they will try to frighten the American public.

Clinton says he is not trying to discourage debate, just ask that we moderate our tone.

Well, we got your fucking moderated tone right here, buddy.

And why is it no public official on either side felt compelled to make these statements when Bush was under attack for 8 years?

So here's a question for everyone. Let's make it an unofficial poll in comments.

How many of you believe we will actually make it to the November elections? How many of you believe there will be an incident, either real or manufactured, that will give Obama justification (in his mind) to impose martial law and suspend elections?

And how many of you believe the American Public would stand for that?

New York Times:

Recalling ’95 Bombing, Clinton Sees Parallels
By CARL HULSE
WASHINGTON — With the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing approaching, former President Bill Clinton on Thursday drew parallels between the antigovernment tone that preceded that devastating attack and the political tumult of today, saying government critics must be mindful that angry words can stir violent actions (paging Mr. Jefferson, paging Mr. Adams).

In advance of a symposium on Friday about the attack on the Oklahoma City federal building and its current relevance, Mr. Clinton, who was in his first term at the time of the bombing, warned that attempts to incite opposition by demonizing the government can provoke responses beyond what political figures intend.

“There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview, saying that Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the Oklahoma City bombing, and those who assisted him, “were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.” (so now we need to mind our words because some unstable individual may act violently on them? How about minding the unstable individuals instead?)

The former president said the potential for stirring a violent response might be even greater now with the reach of the Internet and other common ways of communication that did not exist on April 19, 1995, when the building was struck.

“Because of the Internet, there is this vast echo chamber and our advocacy reaches into corners that never would have been possible before,” said Mr. Clinton, (so, we're not just shooting the messenger now, but also burning the paper the message was written on) who said political messages are now able to reach those who are both “serious and seriously disturbed.” He will be delivering the keynote address Friday at an event about the Oklahoma City attack being sponsored by the Center for American Progress Action Fund and the Democratic Leadership Council.

Mr. Clinton pointed to remarks like those made Thursday by Representative Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican, who when speaking at a Tea Party rally in Washington characterized the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “the gangster government.”

“They are not gangsters,” Mr. Clinton said. “They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.” (bullshit. if they were doing what they were elected to do they would not be in the dire polling straits they are and there would be no Tea Party)

The pitched attacks by some Republicans and conservatives during the health care fight have drawn criticism as incendiary as have the use of terms and imagery like the placing of target cross hairs over the districts of vulnerable Democrats who backed health care. (at least they aren't placing the crosshairs over the candidates themselves, as was oft done to the previous administration)

Over the weekend of the health care vote, Congressional Democrats reported being subjected to racial and sexual slurs as they walked to the Capitol to vote (again bullshit and a setup by Pelosi and her crones) . Recently, at least three people have been arrested on charges of making threats of violence against members of Congress of both parties (against BOTH parties. How about that?!) , and Congressional offices have been vandalized.

In response to the criticism, several conservative leaders say reports of threats, intimidation and violence are being overblown or were not true and were instead part of an effort to vilify and silence critics of the Democratic Congress and Obama administration.

In her remarks Thursday, Ms. Bachmann made light of the suggestion that antigovernment activists were angry.

“You look happy to me, you don’t look angry,” she told the crowd. “That’s because you get it. You are smart enough to get off your couch and do something.”

Mr. Clinton said his intent was not to stifle debate or muzzle critics of the government but to encourage them to consider what repercussions could follow. He acknowledged that drawing the line between acceptable discourse and that which goes too far is difficult but that lawmakers and other officials should try.

“Have at it,” he said. “You can attack the politics. Criticize their policies. Don’t demonize them, and don’t say things that will encourage violent opposition.”

In the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, there was a growing antigovernment sentiment being expressed through a militia movement and anger at government officials, some of it in the wake of the assault on the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, Tex., on April 19, 1993. Mr. Clinton recalls that he and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, were characterized by Newt Gingrich, then the Republican Congressional leader, as the enemies of ordinary Americans.

In a May 1995 commencement speech at Michigan State University, Mr. Clinton talked about the bombing and the role he believed efforts to portray the government and its workers as a threat played in the attack.

“It is one thing to believe we are over-regulated and to work to lessen the burden of regulation,” he said at the time. “It is quite another to slander our dedicated public servants, our brave police officers, even our rescue workers, who have been called a hostile army of occupation.”

After the bombing, Mr. Clinton said he chose to no longer even use the term federal bureaucrat because he believed it had become a term used to demean and dehumanize federal workers.

Mr. Clinton said the impact of political attacks could be dangerously amplified at the moment because of the economic upheaval that had left many Americans frightened and suffering. “A lot of people are just raw,” he said.

He called America a nation born out of protests, and said that he had no interest in reducing productive civic dialogue.

“This is about holding our country together and having these debates,” he said. “The Republicans will have their chance in November.”

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Ya'll mind your manners now, y'hear?

2 comments:

  1. Another coordinated attempt to manipulate public opinion? Yesterday, a colleague mentioned Timothy McVeigh and the OKC bombing being a topic on Rachel Maddow's show. I looked for it, but Maddow was pre-occupied with the teaparty, not menitoning it at all last night. But then again, I was watching it on the plane, not sure if the episode I was watching was current or a taped episode. Supposedly, Maddow was going to air an hour long program about this at 9pm, and it was supposedly heavily advertised. Since I don't regularly watch television, and NEVER watch MSNBC, I wonder if anyone else caught this?

    This wreaks of astroturf.

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  2. Clinton is a leftist who recognized the limits of power. Because of this only truly crazy loons reached the point of hating the govt. enough to leave home and do something. But loons don't organize themselves and protest they do other things.

    Obama is not Clinton and so grandma and grandpa are so enraged, along with aunt Sallie they are using the crayolas from Willie in 4th grade to make giant signs expressing displeasure not just with the administration but with the whole damn place.

    Instead of taking this to heart and pondering its meaning, the other side has declared ideological war on half the country.

    WHY?

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