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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Obama defends US wars as he accepts peace prize

Updated at bottom

Good on him. When Obama does something right, we gotta give him credit.

From AP:





OSLO (AP) - President Barack Obama entered the pantheon of Nobel Peace Prize winners with humble words Thursday, acknowledging his own few accomplishments while delivering a robust defense of war and promising to use the prestigious prize to "reach for the world that ought to be."

A wartime president honored for peace, Obama became the first sitting U.S. president in 90 years and the third ever to win the prize - some say prematurely. In this damp, chilly Nordic capital to pick it up, he and his wife, Michelle, whirled through a day filled with Nobel pomp and ceremony.

And yet Obama was staying here only about 24 hours and skipping the traditional second day of festivities. This miffed some in Norway but reflects a White House that sees little value in extra pictures of the president, (Pastorius comment: ROTFLMAO) his poll numbers dropping at home, taking an overseas victory lap while thousands of U.S. troops prepare to go off to war and millions of Americans remain jobless.

Just nine days after ordering 30,000 more U.S. troops into battle in Afghanistan, Obama delivered a Nobel acceptance speech that he saw as a treatise on war's use and prevention. He crafted much of the address himself and the scholarly remarks - at about 4,000 words - were nearly twice as long as his inaugural address.

In them, Obama refused to renounce war for his nation or under his leadership, saying defiantly that "I face the world as it is" and that he is obliged to protect and defend the United States.

"A nonviolent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaida's leaders to lay down their arms," Obama said. "To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism, it is a recognition of history."

The president laid out the circumstances where war is justified - in self-defense, to come to the aid of an invaded nation and on humanitarian grounds, such as when civilians are slaughtered by their own government or a civil war threatens to engulf an entire region.

"The belief that peace is desirable is rarely enough to achieve it," he said.


It took big balls to give this speech to the Nobel Committee, especially given the fact that he was being given the Peace Prize.

Couple the speech with the fact that he isn't playing the Nobel Committee reindeer games (the Nobel committee members were "miffed" at Obama for "skipping the traditional second day of festivities") and Obama must be admired for having stood his ground; a ground which, quite frankly, I did not believe he had staked out in the first place.

This speech will fly in the face of a large percentage of his ardent supporters. The speech, even more than the 30,000 extra troops he is sending to Afghanistan, sets Obama apart from the Leftists who have absconded with the power of the once noble Democratic Party.

I do not know how to fit this speech into the constellation of idiocy and malevolence which is the Obama Administration. One is left to wonder, what is this America he believes in fighting for? Is it America he is fighting for, or is it some other prize?

Given the "audacity" it took to make this speech to the Nobel community, one has to wonder if the war Obama is fighting is against himself. Certainly this speech is not going to make him many friends at the EU or the UN. This speech was almost a kind of Kamikaze raid on the Peace Movement.

Does this tell us Obama is brave, or is he self-destructive?


Update/Midnight Rider adds:

It's not illegal if the President does it.

Heard that before? 1973 or so, maybe?

Pastorius and I were just hashing this out. It would seem there is another explanation for this speech. Barack Obama, contrary to what many think, does not seek the destruction of the United States. He wants to see it changed (for the much worse). And he wants to rule the new United States. And rule is the correct word.

The hubris of the man is more unbelievable and undeniable with each passing day. He's already moving in that direction. The most recent and aggregious example is the EPA CO2 ruling. If Congress doesn't do what I want I will do it on my own, without them. And the developing Kevin Jennings debacle. SEIU silencing dissent.

His is an arrogance born of the notion that he is better than everyone else, smarter. And if you disagree with him it's because you just don't know better. He says what he wants to who he wants without regard because, after all, he is Barack Obama. The Chosen One. It's look down your nose snobbery of the highest order. After all, he IS the President.

But it is hubris. He may have the moxy to pull it off on camera, but when faced with making the decisions he knows he is clueless how to proceed.

And, in the end, it will be his undoing.

But, he cannot rule the United States if it no longer exists. If it is destroyed by terrorist nukes or falls into complete chaos because of other terrorist actions.

So I think we need to keep separate Obama's social agenda from his military one. He wants to recreate the U.S. as a Socialist nation, maybe even Marxist. BUT HE STILL WANTS TO BE THE ONE RUNNING IT. And thus he needs to still defend it as it exists now, or there won't be anything let to change and rule.

In the case of Afghanistan he waited, too long, to make a decison. And the pressure built for him to make one, any, one way or the other.And when he did he made the worst one possible. 30,000 additional troops. Because he knew we couldn't cut and run or the threat against us would grow.

He is criticized for commiting the bare minimum. He is criticized for commiting them without any clear plan for them. He is criticized for commiting them at all instead of a full draw down.

So the speech to The Nobels is as much Obama addressing and trying to preempt his critics as much as anything else.

Because, of course, he's absolutely right about his decision. After all, he IS The President.

24 comments:

  1. when yahoo news opened for me this morning that was my first thought.

    well gotta give him credit for that.


    but really what choice did he have?

    you can only live in theoretical fantasy land so long as your not in charge of everyone elses lives.

    and when the rubber meets the road he new perfectly well he couldn't close down shop in Afghanistan or iraq and bring everyone home.

    it would have led to unbelievable chaos, carnage and world rebuke.

    so he has to defend it and the only way to defend it is an acknowledgment of reality in an institution that abhors reality.

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  2. hey dont worry pastorius he still managed to get in a cheap shot at america with this backhanded comment during his speach,

    "America cannot insist that others follow the rules of the road if we refuse to follow them ourselves. For when we dont, our action can appear arbitrary, and undercut the legitimacy of future intervention — no matter how justified.

    This becomes particularly important when the purpose of military action extends beyond self-defense or the defense of one nation against an aggressor…"

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  3. Pastorius,

    Don't get me wrong I glad he did this. Too bad Obama doing something right is the exception rather than the rule.

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  4. "His is an arrogance born of the notion that he is better than everyone else, smarter."

    He's a graduate of the famous Harvard Law School - law schools don't come any more prestigious than that. He was a teacher of constitutional law for twelve years, three-term state senator, one-term US senator - and then president.

    What all this means is that he *is* better and smarter than almost everyone else. That's a good thing. I'd rather have a highly educated president, even one with a huge ego, than an uneducated popularist idiot who gets into office by charisma alone and then screws things up.

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  5. Suricou Raven,

    He maybe, but you still got to him some credit on those occasions when he does do the right thing.

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  6. raven thats where I think your wrong,

    being smarter doesnt nesecarily mean you have any common sense. or are even a good and rightous man,

    and I can give you a laundry list of damaging moves made by our so called smart president barry.

    who smartly sided against the legitimate actions of the honduran government,

    crapped on our ally Brittan

    decided to bring the terrorists to new york breaking all the traditions and case law for over a hundred years to do it, when they should have faced a military trial off our soil.

    literally bowed to tyrants

    sold the chek republic and poland up the river showing the world we cant be counted on in a crunch as an ally


    I could go on and on and on and on.

    his smartness has not made us safer, my reasoned opinion based on his actions says he made us less safe.

    oh by the way his smartness gave us fisting czars and outright communists in his entourage.

    his smartness wrote narry a thing we can see while at the haaaaavaaaad law review,

    and his books were clearly ghost written by somebody.

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  7. his 'victim-hood' has perpetrated his out-look of entitlement---
    I-for one- have never trusted 'victims' and have always considered that 'class' (white-black-M-F-et.al) to be dangerous---!!!!
    C-CS

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  8. Rumcrook is right, BHO knows he can't get away with just yanking everybody out of Iraq and Afghan. And he certainly can't stand up there in these circumstances and declare that War Is Always Wrong.

    Keep anything he says in the context of everything else he says, and especially what he does. He will say exactly what he thinks he needs to say abroad and can get away with at home.

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  9. Btw, there's the sweetest little video titled "Thank You Soldiers" up at www.tussingmusic.com. It's school kids. BareNakedIslam had it posted.

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  10. Pastorius,
    Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) the Mormon-based Sect, at the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch near Eldorado, Texas ; its members are practicing Polygamy & sodomizing their own family members etc.
    Christianity at faults here? I don't think so. Religious manipulation by misguided extremists is more likely.

    My point; 1)The blame is on Extremists, not religion. It can happen in any religion.

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  11. Abdoos,
    Mormonism is an offshoot of Christianity, and it is not mainstream Christianity.

    I don't know about the sodomizing their own family members part, but I can tell you that Polygamy was a part of Mormonism until Utah became a state. The only reason the Mormon church gave up polygamy is because of political pressure.

    Frankly, you really shouldn't ask me to defend the Mormon church. I am not a fan.

    If my child decided to become a Mormon I would have a real problem with it.

    The difference between Mormonism and Islam, however, ought to be obvious;

    1) there is no one killing in the name of Mormonism

    2) Mormonism is not a political religion seeking to rule a state by its statutes (as is true of Islam and Sharia)

    3) Mormonism does not call for the killing of gays and apostates

    Those are some big big differences, wouldn't you agree?

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  12. Pastorius,
    My point exactly, as I couldn't agree more.
    No. 1,2,3 - if applied to Islam are offshoot too, not mainstream. That is what I believe.

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  13. However, they are stipulated by the Koran. I don't think that can be denied. And, al-Azhar teaches that brand of Islam. And, Saudi Arabia teaches that form of Islam. And, most of the Arab media teaches that kind of Islam. And, so does Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, UAE, Dubai, the Palestinian Territories, Iran, and Pakistan.

    The Organization of the Islamic Conference supports Saudi Arabia unequivocally.

    There is no organized condemnation of Saudi Arabia within the political Islamic world.

    Therefore, 1,2 and 3 are supported by the power structures of Islam.

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  14. 1.Middle East/Northern Africa are not good examples of progressive Islam. We criticize many things (i.e. I still can't understand why women are not allowed to drive a car in the Saudi Arabia) and suggest through diplomatic channels.. but we couldn't interfere with how you run your own country.. or are you suggesting if we don't agree with other country's policy, we should invade it? If yes, I'm waiting for the days for the States to invade Cuba successfully..

    2.When the majority supports something, it doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing.

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  15. Solid speech until the started talking about what we OUGHT to do nt he future at which point kumbaya took over

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  16. Abdoos,
    You said: 2.When the majority supports something, it doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing.


    I say: Yes, this is true. But, while there are a lot of Muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia, and while it is true that you have a more moderate Islam there, we still have to deal with religions as they are, not as we would like them to be.

    The majority of Muslim countries are infested with radical Islam, and many of them actually practice it as a matter of law.

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  17. Abdooss,

    Middle East/Northern Africa are not good examples of progressive Islam. We criticize many things (i.e. I still can't understand why women are not allowed to drive a car in the Saudi Arabia) and suggest through diplomatic channels..

    So, what is this "progressive" Islam? What parts of the Quran, Hadiths and Mohammed's biographies do you ignore? Would it be something like punishing a woman for drinking beer? Do elaborate.

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  18. Pastorius,
    I concur the majority of Muslim countries are infested with radical Islam. However, most of them are Allies of the States and/or the West (even Libya is having secret dealings with the Western Governments, despite labeled as a Country Supporting Terrorist. What is best to do?

    Avenging Apostate,
    You got me there with the beer drinking issue (the Sentence is yet to be carried out). However, non-Muslims are not covered by the Shariah law. The Muslims in Malaysia must adhere to both laws.

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  19. Abdooss,

    You didn't really answer my question though. What is this "progressive" Islam? What parts of Quran, Hadiths, Tafsir (commentaries), and Mohammed's biographies do you ignore or cancel out?

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  20. Oh and just because a country is a US ally, doesn't mean their behavior is excused in any way. The US doesn't teach Islam to anyone.

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  21. AA,
    1)Should I confess my sins to you? :)

    2)US Ally - I wasn't defending the so-called Islamic Countries, I was criticizing them AND the States too. Funny how we always condemn our own govt (me too), but always defend it when others put out bad words about it.

    3)Progressive Islam - in short, practicing & pious Muslims who may have difference views with others, but choose to settle the matters NOT through violence ways. I don't think Middle East is progressive Islam. (I may have confessed one of my "Sins" to you) Is that answering your Q?

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  22. Abdoos,

    I don't care about your "confessions". You just seem to do a cop-out every time someone you are asked about progressive Islam. Your explanation is not only insufficient but laughable.

    If progressive Islam is what you say it is then it fails to cover most of the aspects that the modern world has a problem with. For example, treatment of apostates (your "progressive Muslim" country's law will give you details on that)--we could go into a lot of details for that because its not just about settling matters without violence but how to change the mentality.

    And to change mentality of the people you have to change the ideology they hold on to.

    As I said, its a long discussion and one that won't be fruitful with stupid attempt at cocky comments that never do anything but veer off from the discussion at hand.

    Oh and for the record, I am not an American.

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  23. AA,
    I'm guilty as charged.. so should we go for
    A)winning the heart & mind of the Enemy
    B)Regime Change ?

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