Robert has a post at Jihad Watch on the VB/BNP alliance and formation of the "Cities Against Islamisation" movement. Please read it all. This is as good a summary of the issues as I've seen:
This approach hamstrings and marginalizes the anti-jihad movement. Many people who oppose the Islamization of Europe will never join with a race-based party to do so.
Hugh Fitzgerald and I have often commented here over the years about the tragedy in Europe: the mainstream political parties have completely abdicated any responsibility to deal with the Islamization of Europe, thus leaving the field open to groups like the BNP who obscure the issue with racial politics.....
For the US, this development will only contribute to the silencing what Phares calls "the country's cultural warning system" as multicultural leftists and pro-Islamists point with self-righteous indignation at the "racist neo-nazi" opposition in Europe. (Pot calling the kettle black, but that point will be PC-d into oblivion.) The rise of such a race-based movement in the US is highly unlikely at this point. Rather, this further marginalizing of anti-Jihad educational efforts will further be-numb the public and thus increase our vulnerability to Islamist attack in the future.The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.
15 comments:
Yes, I know I forgot the Labels and can someone tell me why my quote from Robert assumed such a poetic format?
RRA,
I'm glad that Spencer has weighed in on this topic.
As to formatting your post, I think that I know why the error occurred. Has to do with how you copied and pasted.
It's best to go to print at JW, then copy and paste into HMTL tab at IBA.
RRA,
See if your post looks better to you now. I "massaged" it a bit.
Checkmate!
I love the smell of vindication in the morning.
Just a quick comment, since I just finished a 12hr shift and bed calls.
Anybody who thinks that a peaceful organisation will be allowed to effectively oppose the islamisation of Europe is dreaming.
The E.U. is a juggernaut that's unaccountable to either the voters or to any individual country's polticians or judicial system.
In other words, what will happen in the future for Europe is what the bureaucrats decide will happen.
And the bureaucrats want muslims. Muslims want Europe. End of story.
The only effective opposition to this will come from some very unsavoury places indeed and a hell of a lot of people are going to have to make the hard choice between hanging on to their version of morality and the slavery that will bring, or temporarily abandoning it in order to fight effectively.
I simply don't buy the theory that we can fight this in a clean, "moral" way--at the end of the day only survival matters. While we argue about our differences the islamist project rolls on, gathering speed all the while.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!
The EU bureaucrats and the dhimmi politicians are in a hole and they can't stop digging, because they are commited to following THE BIG LIE down to hell.
THE BIG LIE of our times is to deny that Islam is an intrinsically violent, aggressive and murderous ideology.
Our lords and masters repeat their PC denial of this blindingly obvious fact in various forms ('Religion of Peace', or 'tiny minority of extremists'etc), in the belief that like some sort of magical spell, it will become true if recited often enough.
Supporting strands of this web of deceit include claims that Islamic aggression is a recent reaction to the sins of the West (colonialism ), or is caused by poverty (buy them off with more jizya), or is carried out by a tiny minority who misunderstand the peaceful commandments of the Koran, or, in a whopper that would be worthy of Goebbels himself - that Islamic terrorism is actually anti-Islamic, as preached by the hypocrite Jacqui Smith.
Another strand of deceit is the never-ending search for the Holy Grail - the Mythical Moderate Islam which is claimed to be the real authentic version of the Cult of Mohammed. Of course any 'moderate' version of Islam would have to repudiate the violent verses in the Koran, and so commit blasphemy by rejecting the Word of God.
But, as public awareness of Islam grows, these repeated denials and myths parrotted by politicians begin to look increasingly absurd.
Many of us now understand the implacably aggresive nature of Islam and its polarised worldview - the tribal antagonism between Ummah and Kuffar, the territorial antagonism between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, the overwhelming need to kill or humiliate non-Muslims, the death penalty for those who attempt to leave Islam and the obligation to totally exterminate the Jewish people.
But what else can the politicians say other than repeat the RoP mantra? The alternative would be to admit that on their watch they have allowed, and are continuing to allow, the invasion of millions of Dark-Age savages committed to a vicious totalitarian ideology which demands our death or subjugation.
So as regards telling the truth about Islam, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't! They have a choice of either staying in denial, and thus appearing to an increasingly Islamic-aware electorate to be gullible idiots and bare-faced liars, or else they must admit that they have been so incompetant as to allow a social disaster to take place that can have no outcome other than civil war.
Yes, we've got the traitors skewered! Damned if they do, and damned if they don't! We can discredit the dhimmi politicans by pointing out, whenever they spout their RoP bullshit, how the commands to murder, mutlilate and rape non-Muslims are an essential part of the cult, because the superstitious savages believe the Koran to be the word of God himself, and the rapist, murderer, bandit and pedophile Mohammed to be the 'Perfect Man', whose example is to be followed in all things, including gang-rape.
If we hack at the these main strands of deceit, then whole PC web of lies will eventually unravel and the dhimmi politicians will be utterly discredited. Then maybe we can get an effective government.
Najistani,
I'll post that. Who should I credit?
You?
this link appears to show that LGF has it wrong.
(apologies if I mess this up--I haven't tried this before)
Pastorius,
Credit me if you like.
-Najistani
K9 gives a robust summary of the European view of the Spencer LGF vs BNP controversy at http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/01/to-bnp-or-not-to-bnp.html
AOW, thanks for the re-format. Now it looks poetic but in the right way!
RRA,
This post is so important that it just had to be properly aligned.
KG,
I have a feeling there's more to this story.
GOV, for instance, does not say the BNP was not at the event. They say the BNP is not a part of CaI.
Additionally, read this comment from the GOV:
"But the VB press release says this:
"Het initiatief bevat vertegenwoordigers uit onder meer Oostenrijk, Denemarken, Duitsland, Spanje, Italië, Frankrijk, Nederland en Engeland..."
The initiative contains representatives from among others Austria, Denmark, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, the Netherlands and United Kingdom..."
We shall see.
When I first took a position on this here, on my blog and at GoV in comments, in return to the Baron I told him that the truth would be known in time since VB, **IF** I was correct about why Dewinter would not step away from his call to "WHITE EUROPE" (his base would not tolerate it) ..could not help but sooner or later expressing what they really wanted.
We will see before this is done, our friends ..AND THEY ARE..looking for any tiny hole to crawl thru logically to excuse VB.
BNP is scum. Racist scum. The only difference between their ultimate result and radical Islam's is one of color (based on 'culture' - ROTFLMAO )and not religion.
No matter what we say and do VB will always align with BNP. It's time for those who committed to VB to begin to wean themselves from the malignant racist ideas of VB and BNP, especially hidden within this movement. The BNP and VB ARE A GIFT TO ISLAM'S MURDERERS.
This is not a left or right wing thing, racist fly both ways.
The BNP and VB ARE A GIFT TO ISLAM'S MURDERERS.
Najistani, I read lionheart's post.
He is lost.
He's on the OTHER side. Every single thing he does will strengthen those who practice taqiyya. Those who say it's the racists who are their opposition .
THEY ARE CORRECT
Just go get guns and kill them all then. Make sure you get the kids....after all nits make lice. I'm sure many will justify their actions just as smoothly as you have maintained the BNP is the only choice.
Europe.
No wonder there is an america.
Europe made it's existance as compulsory as Israel's.
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