MUSLIMS BUILT ‘THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR NATION’
I don’t even know what to say anymoreI get it. You want to make a group feel good about itself.On Sunday, President Obama and First Lady Michelle released astatement thanking Muslim Americans for their many “achievements and contributions… to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy.”
The comments were made to mark the celebration of Eid-al-Fitr, a time of spiritual renewal for Muslims which comes at the end of the month-long fast of Ramadan. The Obamas said in their statement that Eid “celebrates the common values that unite us in our humanity” and “welcomed their commitment to giving back to their communities.” The International Business Times reports that during Eid, Muslims join in Islamic prayer, while saying “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is Great,” and feasting.
The statement further reads that the administration “wishes Muslims in the United States and around the world a blessed and joyous celebration.” The letter ended with salutation of “Eid Mubarak,” which roughly means “blessed celebration.”
But really?
REALLY?
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Doesn't Eid-al-Fitr celebrate the first Islamic wholesale slaughter of non-Muslims?
Why yes it does, AOW.
You're the person who taught me that.
:)
Oh by the way, I'm quite sure Obama is well aware of that.
Pasto,
Yes, he knows.
And so do many of the ummah. BHO's approval holds symbolic significance for them.
GWB celebrated Eid-al-Fitr, too.
So did Bill Clinton.
If I recall correctly, Clinton was the first POTUS to celebrate Eid-al-Fitr.
Yep, Clinton started it.
You have to thank the Muslims for the creation of the marine corp at least,
And the navy.
Doesn't Eid-al-Fitr celebrate the first Islamic wholesale slaughter of non-Muslims?
Never heard this before. What are you referring to exactly?
This ---
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/10/what-is-ramadan.html
With all due respect to AOW, the article is not factually accurate.
While the battle of badr did take place during ramadan, eid al fitr or ramadan (or the last day of ramadan) has nothing to do with that battle.
The battle of badr took place sometime mid ramadan.
Ramadan was a pagan month, one of the four such months, during which no fighting between the various arab tribes would take place. It was one of the months that, every year, it was understood that there'd be peace among waring tribes during this time and everyone was guaranteed to go about their business without weapon or protection.
For centuries pagan arabs respected this tradition. Mohammed, the coward pig, knew about this obviously and did what muslims still do to this day: attacked the non muslims (the qureish) during this month, knowing that they'd be without any military protection around their convoys. That's the only connection between ramadan and the battle, that it shows mohammed's cowardice.
As for the eid and ramadan, as much as i despise the muslim religion and traditions, if we're going to be honest about it, this month and these celebrations have nothing to do with the battle of badr. Muslims are still following pagan traditions when they fast during the month of ramadan and when they then celebrate after ramadan is over.
Mohammed himself got ass raped by satan in a cave during the month of ramadan (his ass rape aka the "revelation of quran" is traditionally celebrated on the 27th day of the month of ramadan). What was he doing in a cave other than wishing to get ass raped? Well he was diligently following the pagan arab practice of meditation and fasting during the month of ramadan.
Nico,
I'm sure you're right. You should know.
Over at Jihad Watch this week, however, a commenter mentioned something about Eid al-Fitr about being what I Pasto and I were discussing above.
It's difficult to know what's true and what isn't true about pagan traditions.
Did the Pagans celebrate Eid?
Did the Pagans celebrate Eid?
From what's left of the tradition? yes.
i mean, starve people for 30 days and anyone will create a day of festivities at the end of those 30 days. this eid does not have much of a religious meaning in islam other than "30 (or 29) days of ramadan hell, glad that shit's over!". with that said though, every islamic festival (including the hajj) really is devoid of meaning because they stole it from others and then tried to sell it off as their own ideas....where have i heard that before?
Oh that's right! "Muslim scientists" of the middle ages who translated Greek philosophical and scientific books into arabic and then claimed that work as their own!
Although, what i just said is not much of a statement really since all of islam is devoid of meaning or sense...lol
AOW and Pasto,
Lemme do some more research on this and I'll see if I can find a connection between the battle and the eid from actual islamic sources. If not, then I'm afraid this is one of those few things that, even though it would make sense that muslims would celebrate murder, can't really be pinned on muslims.
Sorry about comment-bombing. But eid al fitr also doesn't literally mean "revealing". It means eid = "festival", al = "the", fitr = "break fast", literally "festival the break fast" and obviously understood as "festival of fast breaking" aka "end of ramadan".
Thank you , Nico.
By the way, I brought this up to a Muslim the other day, and she acted as if what I said was true.
But that could be because she simply doesn't know what is and is not true about her religion.
Pasto,
No problem at all.
Its possible that you and AOW are 100% right and I'm completely wrong because I never knew about this. That's why I want to take some time to research into this more. I've never heard this connection made between the battle of badr and this eid before hence my first instinct being "nuh uh, this ain't true" but AOW's article and the comment she's referring to on JW is making me doubt what I thought was a well known fact.
Anyway, gonna go to bed right now but i'll try to dig up info on this and maybe put up a post about it.
Nico,
Here it is mentioned on "Muslim Ummah.com
Definition of Eid: Happiness, joyfulness and celebration for the Muslim community.
Types of Eid: We have two kinds of Eid as following
• Eid al-Fitr
• Eid al-Adha
Eid al-Fitr: The Prophet (PBUH) connected Eid al-Fitr with completion of the month of Ramadan. There are some reports that the Prophet (PBUH) offered the first Eid prayer at Madinah in the first year of migration.
Eid al-Adha: The Prophet (PBUH) connected the first day of Shawwal, while Eid al-Adha was connected with the 10th of Zil-Hajjah.
Timing: It is only twice in a year
• Timing for Eid al-Fitr
• Timing for Eid al-Adha
Timing for Eid-Fitr: The holiday follows the month of Ramadan, falling on the first day of Shawwal (the tenth month in the Islamic calendar). As with all months in the Islamic calendar, it begins with the sighting of the new moon. For this reason there may be regional differences in the exact date of Eid, with some Muslims fasting for 29 days and some for 30 days.
Timing for Eid al-Adha: The first day of the lunar month of Zil-Hijja, and accordingly Arafat Day will be on the 9th of Zil-Hijja, and Eid al-Adha day will be on the 10th of Zil Hijja.
When Were They Prescribed?: Fasting of the month of Ramadan, Zakat al-Fitr, Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha were prescribed almost at the same time in the 2nd year of Hijrah.
History:
• History of Eid al-Fitr
• History of Eid al-Adha
History of Eid al-Fitr: The first Eid was celebrated in 624 CE by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) with his friends and relatives after the victory of the battle of Badr.
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2014/07/not-only-that-we-now-know-george.html
There you go.
Having searched around a little, I don't think this is very well known among Muslims. I think it is an obscure fact of history, perhaps.
Muslims keep lots of rules without knowing the background of those rules.
Mindless ritual-followers, IMO. Must be psychologically satisfying -- or something.
Pasto,
I've already seen that article but the problem is that it contradicts itself in its own body:
There are some reports that the Prophet (PBUH) offered the first Eid prayer at Madinah in the first year of migration.
And then:
The first Eid was celebrated in 624 CE by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) with his friends and relatives after the victory of the battle of Badr.
First year of migration was a year before the battle of Badr so it would make it impossible that he was celebrating that victory before the battle even took place.
Muslims have tried to get rid of all the references to paganism to, like I mentioned before, sell their stupid religion as their own. However, I do remember reading some hadiths that say that the Medinian pagans already celebrated the first two days of Shawwal (the month after Ramadan) as "Eid" or "Festival". This celebration included dancing and partying but obviously Mohammed didn't like that and changed it to something Muslim aka boring, barbaric shit.
My opinion right now is that this rumor of the Eid being a celebration for victory in Badr was propagated Muslims themselves when they couldn't explain away pagan concoctions to the festival.
Anyway, I'm still going to continue my research, if you have some other references, I'd appreciate those too.
was propagated Muslims themselves when they couldn't explain away pagan concoctions to the festival.
pagan concoctions? WTF autocorrect! "propagated by Muslims..." and "pagan connections..."
Nico,
My opinion right now is that this rumor of the Eid being a celebration for victory in Badr was propagated Muslims themselves when they couldn't explain away pagan connections to the festival.
Very possible.
But with Islam, who knows?
AOW,
But with Islam, who knows?
I agree. Usually I don't give a shit about these things since most of the crazy stuff attributed to them is 100% true.
This is strange however because usually Muslims happily celebrate their "victories" (fabricated history mostly) against and their massacres of infidels that is why this doesn't ring true because muslims aren't really celebrating it for Badr. Another problem is that, by most accounts, Badr took place mid Ramadan and not at the end of the month. So again, makes absolutely no sense that mohammed would celebrate Eid right after the battle to celebrate it.
I understand that it is important to know the history of the Pagan roots of Islam.
But if Muslims ALSO blame the Eid and all it's scumminess on the Battle of Badr, well, then that's part of the truth about Islam too.
Don't you think?
I think maybe I'm not understanding your point.
Pasto,
The point is that this Eid is not celebrated for Badr: not in Mecca, not in Medina, not in Tehran, Peshawar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and wherever else I can think of off the top of my head.
In other words, it seems like a fabrication. A fabrication, like I said, perhaps propagated by Muslims to try and explain away pagan connections, especially to Western audience. In other words, it seems like a fabrication like "hit the women lightly" thing created and propagated by Yusuf Ali when he translated the quran to make it palatable to the West (I don't know why he thought hitting, period, would be palatable but that's another story).
In other words, this story only appears in Muslim circles whose target audience is the West (from my research so far) and hence not really related to Islam proper. And in the end it drives the focus away from actual horrible problems of Islam to this.
Raise a concern over this with a Muslim: "you celebrate the slaughter of infidels" and all you'll get is "they attacked Muslims, what would you do if you were attacked? You support Israel when it retaliates and kills innocent children in..." blah blah blah. Again, Yusuf Ali was successful in taking the debate away from the fact that in Islam a woman is your property and you can hit her to "well its so humane in Islam that it tells you to hit her lightly..."
Anyway, I probably sound to you like I'm splitting hairs so let me know if that's the case and I'll stop commenting on this and just do the research on my own because to be quite honest, at the end of the day, none of this matters. Not even the pagan roots of Islam since ALL of Islam needs to be destroyed for there to be any lasting peace, actual parts of it and also the fabricated ones.
Been a while since I commented here. Just wanted to come back and write that I was unable to locate the hadiths and references to eid being celebrated by pagans prior to Islam.
So for now, I concede that eid is what Pasto and AOW were saying it is, a celebration of slaughter of infidels.
Nico,
Thanks for looking.
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