All of us, every single man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth were born with the same unalienable rights; to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, if the governments of the world can't get that through their thick skulls, then, regime change will be necessary.
Friday, April 23, 2010
Mohammed cartoon video
It's rude and crude and no dhimmitude: It's a video of Mohammed picking up a nine year old hooker. But get it fast before the cops bust it:
Look like the Muslim world has opened the can of worms that is the insides of Mohammed's shorts. Anyone can make a video, it seems, and there's not putting this worm back in the Islamic can.
Dear All, Mohammed had taught us, "When they ridicule your religion, don't return the favour (as theirs will get worse)". Although you all are making fun of our Prophet, I won't taunt Jesus back because he was also one of the revered Prophets in Islam.
P, Everyone, well almost everyone has a limit. Just like you, P, dissing anyone who taunted the Jews? I don't think God has given me the right to taunt Jesus, no sir, nor to any other prophets. You do what you want.
Mohammed had taught us, "When they ridicule your religion, don't return the favour (as theirs will get worse)".
Abdooss is a lying piece of shit.
Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine."
Why, then, is Abdooss a lying piece of shit? He lies by omission, neglecting to tell his readers that the verse is abrogated, that it's Meccan and not an authoritative Medinan verse. It's the usual taqiyya of Muslims, especially young and stupid Muslims who don't know that most of us have studied Islam since 9-11 to find out just how sick and evil it is in truth, how sick and evil are its practitioners generally. He lies in that he hides the truth that Muslim culture has no value higher than Allah: that what we outside Islam think of as temporal truth, i.e. ordinary truth, fact-based and empiriccl truth, good-faith truth, is non-existent in Islam. For a Mulsim there is no truth but the word of Allah. Anything not the word of Allah is not serious; therefore, there is no such thing as telling a lie to another. Thus, Abdu is not merely a lying piece of shit, he is an incorrigible piece of shit liar.
sorry, I have no idea who to thank for the video. It comes anon.ly. What I find interesting here is that we can all do such things, regardless of our personal abilities with the medium. Muslims cannot any longer cry the blues about the network television stations slagging Islam. That ship has sailed. Now anyone can do all the damage they are capable of in spite of a lack of talent as graphic artists or playwrights. Muslims have lost this battle, and the war is a matter of time.
Dag, You may interpret any Book whatever way you want. Next, you may also say Islam taught Muslims to kill Infidels, without any reason at all. But I think 9-11 was done by extremists and there are a few in any religion. Here we have a saying; "You don't have to burn the jungle to get rid of a few mosquitoes." And if I remember correctly, Jesus asked you to "turn the other cheek" if you were assaulted. But that is not the current practice by the Christian world, isn't it?
I'm also not aware we are in War or in a midst of it. If so, is it Islam against Christianity? Boy, I sure hate to imagine "Collateral Damages" at both sides, should that happen. That haven't taken the price of gas into account yet.
Dear Abdu would appreciate it if the world at large would kindly refrain from doing what he has deemed are bad things.
I, in turn, am a more positive type: I would appreciate it if the lady at the super market would give me free ice-cream. But, unlike Abdu, I don't think I can lie to people and get away with it. I realise that no one hear thinks I mean a bit of it when I write that I wish for free ice-cream; that in writing that I am posing and making an obvious statement that has nothing to do with ice-cream or it's realisable freeness.When I write bullshit, it is clear to me that I'm writing bullshit. Nor am I completely stupid and stupid enough t that to think others don't know that my bullshit is bullshit.
Abdu's bullshit is cringe-inducing, as we know, but it seems Abdu doesn't get it.
Dag, At least I am not inciting others. Nor spreading hatred around.
Do you really want that War, Dag?
There are lots of Christians and Westerners in my country (in South East Asia). The most that happened were some extremists throwing molotov-cocktails to Churches. I believe they were incited by various people, including politicians. I sure hope incidents of attacks and bombing of hotels and entertainment centers, such as in Bali, Indonesia & India, targeting Westerners and Christians, won't happen here.
We do have our differences. If you keep focusing on how different we are, it will fuel more hatred. And it will lead to more loss of lives. We must avoid that.
I suspect your residing here as the mythical "Moderate Muslim" we all read so much about. You'll be world-famous if ever you can pull it off, mate, given that aside from a few other teen-aged amateurs you have no competition. The corner is yours.
Do I want war? who cares what I want? Really, I want ice-cream. But since you insist, the total and complete history of Islam, which I seem to know far better than you, and objectively very well, is conquest by war. I want ice-cream, but war it is, in spite of dishonest nonsense from you. Play to Leftist hippies with your Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" sentimentalities for the gullible, but count me one who likes Kathy Shaidle's retort, "Can't we all just get a long gun?"
Many people over the years have said to me that if I do what Muslims do, then I'll be as bad as they are. My response is clear: I have no wish to be as bad as Muslims; my intention is to be so far worse than Muslims that they forever sicken at the sound of my name.
It not personal on my part any more than it's personal on the part of the average Muslim who kills at random, whether he kills non-Muslims or his fellow Muslims. When Muslims kill people in act we deem terrorism, it's Islamically mandated, it is demanded by Allah, which I think you're wise enough not to try to contradict, given that I'll hammer you with kos and hadith if you try. Muslims, orthodox and orthopraxic Muslims, not those who, as you try to come across as, i.e. moderates, are through right Islam killers of anyone and anything that doesn't further the spread of Islam. Islam is murder. I don't take it any more seriously as an individual than do Muslims: it is objective. My response is to take Islam for what it is and respond with greater force, such force as will shock and terrify Muslims from now till the end of days. I don't have anything personal against those who will suffer. It's not my personal doing here, that being restricted most days to getting ice-cream. I'm a nice guy, but life, thanks to Islamic predation in my world, demands destruction of Islam. Therefore, mate, you bring on massive death just by being you. It doesn't mean a thing in personal terms.
This comes as a shock to many people, especially young ones: That those killed in war aren't killed because they're bad people, not killed because the enemy hates them. I will always recall the look on the girl's face in Jugoslavia when I explained that the bombs dropping weren't meant for her. I told her no one had any idea of her being as a person. To those above she doesn't exist. She is nobody, dead or alive. "We don't hate. You don't men a thing." She got it. It upset her more than anything else she'd experienced. I don't care. It's not personal.
Muslims brought this on as I was getting ice-cream. Now that is interrupted, and I will have my time at the table, after I do my part in smashing Islam and all its necessary dead examples to the future, i.e. people who have no names or personalities of any worth to me.
Islam is evil. I'll smash it by being far worse. That's just clear logic. It's not personal. I wouldn't care if it were. In the long run, every dead Muslim now is someone others will be thankful for as an example of what would have happened to them if those now hadn't been smashed. think of yourself or those like you as reminders, as good example for people. You're doing your people a favour by dying in a war Muslims started and that we stop.
Bad as they are? Not even close. I am the Wrath of God. And you'll find many millions far worse than I.
Dag, Ok that's very informative. Glad that part's cleared.
Your psychologist will tell you this; You just needed an adversary to crush. First, it was communism and now this. Granted Al-Qaeda is a major threat but to kill all Muslims? Wow! Good luck with that!
If you planned (or have started) being a serial killer, someday I hope I can watch a Documentary about you on TV. I also hope you won't get out of your neighborhood and I won't get near you in any way. Ever. Lastly, I hope you won't start any business enterprise of supplying the "long-guns" to my Christian neighbors, as I don't have any guns either.
I'm sorry if I sounded full of sarcasm. But I really need to know which school you went to? Because in my madrasah (Muslim evening school) I was taught to be civil to all people and animal, irrespective of races and religions. Taqiyya again? FYI, I learned that word when I browsed through this blog last year.
Me naive? Isn't it refreshing to know you have one more easy target now?
Dag said: He lies by omission, neglecting to tell his readers that the verse is abrogated, that it's Meccan and not an authoritative Medinan verse.
I say: Zing!
So how about it, Abdoos? Have you responded to the issue of abrogation? If so, I missed that response.
Also, I fail to understand how interpretation of the Koran is possible, considering that the Koran in its entirety is supposed to be the world of Allah.
AOW, Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine." I was taught it meant; If you are from other religion(s), you are free to practice it. I have my own religion and shall practice it my way. (To kill merely because of those differences is sinful).
Or you have other interpretation?
Please don't accuse me of lying again as that was what I learned and choose to believe. There are other interpretations, even extreme ones, but I won't believe those. Taqiyya again? Please see my response as above.
In my opinion, Abdoos is not "a lying sack of shit" if he is unaware of the concept of abrogation.
Keep in mind that Abdoos lives in Malaysia, and I take it, from the way he writes that he is a relatively young man, probably in his twenties.
That being said, I do believe that it is a good thing for Abdoos to learn about the manner in which the major Muslim authorities, around the world, interpret the Koran.
According to al-Azhar university, yes Abdoos, the later verses do abrogate, or take precedence, over the earlier verses.
In that way, I can not "interpret the Koran any way I like", as you say.
Muslims will decide how to interpret the Koran for themselves. And, we shall know them by their fruits.
If you choose to be a peaceful guy, then that is your choice based upon your interpretation of the Koran. But, it would behoove you to understand that you are interpreting the Koran different than scholars, and Imams the world over.
P, Though we don't always agree on most things, you are talking more sense than Dag or AOW here.
Al-Azhar is the authority but not every Muslims follow them. Muslims interpret Koran on their own way. For example, a few years ago Al-Azhar edicted smoking is forbidden (haram) because it is detrimental to your health. But everywhere, everyone smokes. Well, almost everyone. Don't get me started on the drinking habit too.
That being said, I'm also 100% sure P is not a serial killer either.
Abdoos said: Muslims interpret Koran on their own way. For example, a few years ago Al-Azhar edicted smoking is forbidden (haram) because it is detrimental to your health. But everywhere, everyone smokes. Well, almost everyone. Don't get me started on the drinking habit too.
I say: Right. And so, when the Imams act like jerks, these people who choose to smoke against the Imams edicts and fatwas ought to actually verbalize their disagreement. The Imams are out of control, and their followers are, in many cases, murderers.
Part of being an adult in the world is accepting that the world comes first; that though we might wish it were different, that we might wish to make it so, that things should be perfect and in our wisdom we could make it so if only we could force others into accepting our vision as true as we see it to be; all such hubris is the work of a childish mind. One lives in a world of reality and fights against in an endless futility, even if one has all the power of a severely violent state, such as Muslim states imposing utopian shari'a schemes on the people. So what? all one gets in the end is dead bodies and stagnant cultures with enemies abounding.
Think I'm a serial killer? I'm just one drop preceding the first wave of Modernity that will hit the primitive world and wash away its jetsam and flotsom. Worry about that if you will, but consider that the second wave of Human outrage is coming too, the wave of those who see the weakness at last of Islam, who will wash across the world in mad vengeance for the depravities of Islam over the centuries. Islam has raised its own destruction from the world. We might not like the human toll to come, but such is the reality of life among adults. Look to a writer far better than I, Hosea:
P, However, what they ought to do and what they actually do are 2 different things. The Imams are out of control. So what should they do; start a revolution or just a protest? The Authorities' clampdown on demonstrations in Iran recently is 1 example. Even that caused a few deaths. Imagine what a revolution would cause; countless loss of lives? There is no need for external assistance; look what happened to the Kurdish and incident at Bay of Pig, Cuba. The uprisings were crushed. They promises to come and assist, but it never materialize.
Abdu, I read you as either a girl or a man too young to know about the world and life in any genuine sense of adulthood; and contrary to your understanding of me, you thinking of me-- rightly so in my personal instance, unbeknownst to you-- as a serial killer; I have something akin to what you, or at least a person of genuine sensitivity, would term "pity." And pity, our dear, is worthless in this world, not staying the fell hand of men in war. You, a Muslim by choice or circumstance, are not anyone at all of interest or worth to the world at large, in spite of your immediate self, of your own ego-driven centre. You, Abdu, do not matter to the nature of Life or Man. You're just another being among billions. It's only personal to you and those few among your own who might care for you for family or personal reasons, which you cannot rightly expect from anyone else.
Like most people of my culture, I'm not a naturally cruel man, our Modernist culture having discovered it somewhat recently, somewhat uniquely, as a sin. That, dear Abdu, you might disagree with, not knowing the history of Man as one of gradual enlightenment in even the most basic of lessons, the lesson of the evil of cruelty being given to the world of Man from the Jews, you, as a practising and orthodox Muslim, must hate. Perhaps you know so little of your own religion that you don't even know that fundament of Islam, true and eternal as it is.
I pity you as a young thing to be corrupted by life as you will experience it, hard and terrible as life is for those who don't have the chance to explore critically and freely what the lessons of Morality can give to those free and determined to know and die in the knowing. You have nearly no chance to learn Morality. You are trapped for the full course of your life. For the most part, that is due to Islam; further, it is due to your culture, not a free one of Modernity but of the primitivism of Islam. So, like the slave you are by name, you will die in the body having never lived free in the life of the mind, which I pity you for. It is, to me, a crime against life itself to condemn a person to such a travesty of existence.
And given that you identify yourself as a Muslim, you leave no one of worth any choice but to identify you as a killer and an enslaver and destroyer of life. Who you are is so unimportant that no reasonable man could care. Like all men, we must look to our own most close and live for and with them, dismissing the others as friends or foes or neutral, but if as foes, those to be destroyed regardless of their personal qualities. And even if, by some arcane chance, you were a good person, still you would be an enemy of even those who fight for the good, those even the evil among us.
Yes, our dear, you are an enemy in spite of your candid innocence; and yes, it is to the good that you lose at the hand of an evil bastard like me when I fight for the good in destroying even one such as yourself.
Such is the conundrum of theodicy. Its not personal.
Really, the answer, fopping or prickish or ticklish or anything else I like, is up to me. You read, you don't read, it's not really up to me. Please, please yourself.
Because your pontificating could lead someone to believe and act on that and allow you to retreat behind "I never said that".
If we (at IBA anyway) keep saying that the mythical moderate muslim needs to speak up, then when one shows up who shows signs of being that mythical moderate muslim (granted, taqiyya is also possible) then why would we not engage that person in dialog instead of insults? Why would we choose to push them away?
Here's a hint, mate: that "moderates" are the first target of those who aren't. If you have any concern for anyone, which I have no reason to believe to be so, then it might be your position that moderates should not be so as matter of prudence.
In this war, as we know if we know Islam and it's methods in warfare, clear and verifiable, "moderates' are exactly the people Muslims kill so they can clear the field of those who might or might not support further violent jihad. It's a simple matter of "politics of confrontation," well known to those who care, from the pst practice still in use among the fans of the FLN in Algeria under the influence of Franz Fanon. Kill the moderates so there is no room but extremism. It works, and they use it to this day.
Abdu targets him/herself by being "moderate." His friends in the Islamic world will turn to him as sacrificial being for the greater good of jihad. Do the lad favour and fuck yourself off so he can learn some lessons in advance of being killed, maybe saving his own life in the process.
Yes Dag, 1)Are you talking about killing all Muslims or just the Jihadis?
2)Or are you waiting for the Jihadis to kill all other (moderate) Muslims (and all (moderate) Infidels) and then only will you engage the Jihadis in combat? (less work this time)
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Look like the Muslim world has opened the can of worms that is the insides of Mohammed's shorts. Anyone can make a video, it seems, and there's not putting this worm back in the Islamic can.
The girl sounds more mannish than Mohammed. Are you sure you don't have a cross dresser there?
Dear All,
Mohammed had taught us, "When they ridicule your religion, don't return the favour (as theirs will get worse)".
Although you all are making fun of our Prophet, I won't taunt Jesus back because he was also one of the revered Prophets in Islam.
You go ahead and taunt Jesus. It is your God-given right.
Dag,
Did a Avenging Apostate Create that video? He's created a couple videos using extra normal, and I'm wondering if that was his creation.
P,
Everyone, well almost everyone has a limit.
Just like you, P, dissing anyone who taunted the Jews?
I don't think God has given me the right to taunt Jesus, no sir, nor to any other prophets.
You do what you want.
Abdooss said...
Dear All,
Mohammed had taught us, "When they ridicule your religion, don't return the favour (as theirs will get worse)".
Abdooss is a lying piece of shit.
Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine."
Why, then, is Abdooss a lying piece of shit? He lies by omission, neglecting to tell his readers that the verse is abrogated, that it's Meccan and not an authoritative Medinan verse. It's the usual taqiyya of Muslims, especially young and stupid Muslims who don't know that most of us have studied Islam since 9-11 to find out just how sick and evil it is in truth, how sick and evil are its practitioners generally. He lies in that he hides the truth that Muslim culture has no value higher than Allah: that what we outside Islam think of as temporal truth, i.e. ordinary truth, fact-based and empiriccl truth, good-faith truth, is non-existent in Islam. For a Mulsim there is no truth but the word of Allah. Anything not the word of Allah is not serious; therefore, there is no such thing as telling a lie to another. Thus, Abdu is not merely a lying piece of shit, he is an incorrigible piece of shit liar.
And that's the truth!
sorry, I have no idea who to thank for the video. It comes anon.ly. What I find interesting here is that we can all do such things, regardless of our personal abilities with the medium. Muslims cannot any longer cry the blues about the network television stations slagging Islam. That ship has sailed. Now anyone can do all the damage they are capable of in spite of a lack of talent as graphic artists or playwrights. Muslims have lost this battle, and the war is a matter of time.
Dag,
You may interpret any Book whatever way you want.
Next, you may also say Islam taught Muslims to kill Infidels, without any reason at all. But I think 9-11 was done by extremists and there are a few in any religion. Here we have a saying; "You don't have to burn the jungle to get rid of a few mosquitoes." And if I remember correctly, Jesus asked you to "turn the other cheek" if you were assaulted. But that is not the current practice by the Christian world, isn't it?
I'm also not aware we are in War or in a midst of it.
If so, is it Islam against Christianity? Boy, I sure hate to imagine "Collateral Damages" at both sides, should that happen. That haven't taken the price of gas into account yet.
Dear all,
What I meant to say is; I'd sure appreciate it if you can stop insulting other religion(s).
But if you don't, there is nothing I can do. As I said to Pastorius days ago; I won't be sending any suicide bombers your way.
Dear Abdu would appreciate it if the world at large would kindly refrain from doing what he has deemed are bad things.
I, in turn, am a more positive type: I would appreciate it if the lady at the super market would give me free ice-cream. But, unlike Abdu, I don't think I can lie to people and get away with it. I realise that no one hear thinks I mean a bit of it when I write that I wish for free ice-cream; that in writing that I am posing and making an obvious statement that has nothing to do with ice-cream or it's realisable freeness.When I write bullshit, it is clear to me that I'm writing bullshit. Nor am I completely stupid and stupid enough t that to think others don't know that my bullshit is bullshit.
Abdu's bullshit is cringe-inducing, as we know, but it seems Abdu doesn't get it.
Dag,
At least I am not inciting others.
Nor spreading hatred around.
Do you really want that War, Dag?
There are lots of Christians and Westerners in my country (in South East Asia). The most that happened were some extremists throwing molotov-cocktails to Churches. I believe they were incited by various people, including politicians. I sure hope incidents of attacks and bombing of hotels and entertainment centers, such as in Bali, Indonesia & India, targeting Westerners and Christians, won't happen here.
We do have our differences. If you keep focusing on how different we are, it will fuel more hatred. And it will lead to more loss of lives. We must avoid that.
I suspect your residing here as the mythical "Moderate Muslim" we all read so much about. You'll be world-famous if ever you can pull it off, mate, given that aside from a few other teen-aged amateurs you have no competition. The corner is yours.
Do I want war? who cares what I want? Really, I want ice-cream. But since you insist, the total and complete history of Islam, which I seem to know far better than you, and objectively very well, is conquest by war. I want ice-cream, but war it is, in spite of dishonest nonsense from you. Play to Leftist hippies with your Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" sentimentalities for the gullible, but count me one who likes Kathy Shaidle's retort, "Can't we all just get a long gun?"
Yes, on that position you are wrong.
Many people over the years have said to me that if I do what Muslims do, then I'll be as bad as they are. My response is clear: I have no wish to be as bad as Muslims; my intention is to be so far worse than Muslims that they forever sicken at the sound of my name.
It not personal on my part any more than it's personal on the part of the average Muslim who kills at random, whether he kills non-Muslims or his fellow Muslims. When Muslims kill people in act we deem terrorism, it's Islamically mandated, it is demanded by Allah, which I think you're wise enough not to try to contradict, given that I'll hammer you with kos and hadith if you try. Muslims, orthodox and orthopraxic Muslims, not those who, as you try to come across as, i.e. moderates, are through right Islam killers of anyone and anything that doesn't further the spread of Islam. Islam is murder. I don't take it any more seriously as an individual than do Muslims: it is objective. My response is to take Islam for what it is and respond with greater force, such force as will shock and terrify Muslims from now till the end of days. I don't have anything personal against those who will suffer. It's not my personal doing here, that being restricted most days to getting ice-cream. I'm a nice guy, but life, thanks to Islamic predation in my world, demands destruction of Islam. Therefore, mate, you bring on massive death just by being you. It doesn't mean a thing in personal terms.
This comes as a shock to many people, especially young ones: That those killed in war aren't killed because they're bad people, not killed because the enemy hates them. I will always recall the look on the girl's face in Jugoslavia when I explained that the bombs dropping weren't meant for her. I told her no one had any idea of her being as a person. To those above she doesn't exist. She is nobody, dead or alive. "We don't hate. You don't men a thing." She got it. It upset her more than anything else she'd experienced. I don't care. It's not personal.
Muslims brought this on as I was getting ice-cream. Now that is interrupted, and I will have my time at the table, after I do my part in smashing Islam and all its necessary dead examples to the future, i.e. people who have no names or personalities of any worth to me.
Islam is evil. I'll smash it by being far worse. That's just clear logic. It's not personal. I wouldn't care if it were. In the long run, every dead Muslim now is someone others will be thankful for as an example of what would have happened to them if those now hadn't been smashed. think of yourself or those like you as reminders, as good example for people. You're doing your people a favour by dying in a war Muslims started and that we stop.
Bad as they are? Not even close. I am the Wrath of God. And you'll find many millions far worse than I.
Dag,
Ok that's very informative. Glad that part's cleared.
Your psychologist will tell you this; You just needed an adversary to crush. First, it was communism and now this. Granted Al-Qaeda is a major threat but to kill all Muslims? Wow! Good luck with that!
If you planned (or have started) being a serial killer, someday I hope I can watch a Documentary about you on TV. I also hope you won't get out of your neighborhood and I won't get near you in any way. Ever. Lastly, I hope you won't start any business enterprise of supplying the "long-guns" to my Christian neighbors, as I don't have any guns either.
I'm sorry if I sounded full of sarcasm. But I really need to know which school you went to? Because in my madrasah (Muslim evening school) I was taught to be civil to all people and animal, irrespective of races and religions.
Taqiyya again? FYI, I learned that word when I browsed through this blog last year.
Me naive? Isn't it refreshing to know you have one more easy target now?
Dag said: He lies by omission, neglecting to tell his readers that the verse is abrogated, that it's Meccan and not an authoritative Medinan verse.
I say: Zing!
So how about it, Abdoos? Have you responded to the issue of abrogation? If so, I missed that response.
Also, I fail to understand how interpretation of the Koran is possible, considering that the Koran in its entirety is supposed to be the world of Allah.
AOW,
Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine."
I was taught it meant; If you are from other religion(s), you are free to practice it. I have my own religion and shall practice it my way. (To kill merely because of those differences is sinful).
Or you have other interpretation?
Please don't accuse me of lying again as that was what I learned and choose to believe. There are other interpretations, even extreme ones, but I won't believe those. Taqiyya again? Please see my response as above.
Interesting conversation.
In my opinion, Abdoos is not "a lying sack of shit" if he is unaware of the concept of abrogation.
Keep in mind that Abdoos lives in Malaysia, and I take it, from the way he writes that he is a relatively young man, probably in his twenties.
That being said, I do believe that it is a good thing for Abdoos to learn about the manner in which the major Muslim authorities, around the world, interpret the Koran.
According to al-Azhar university, yes Abdoos, the later verses do abrogate, or take precedence, over the earlier verses.
In that way, I can not "interpret the Koran any way I like", as you say.
Muslims will decide how to interpret the Koran for themselves. And, we shall know them by their fruits.
If you choose to be a peaceful guy, then that is your choice based upon your interpretation of the Koran. But, it would behoove you to understand that you are interpreting the Koran different than scholars, and Imams the world over.
P,
Though we don't always agree on most things, you are talking more sense than Dag or AOW here.
Al-Azhar is the authority but not every Muslims follow them. Muslims interpret Koran on their own way. For example, a few years ago Al-Azhar edicted smoking is forbidden (haram) because it is detrimental to your health. But everywhere, everyone smokes. Well, almost everyone. Don't get me started on the drinking habit too.
That being said, I'm also 100% sure P is not a serial killer either.
Abdoos said: Muslims interpret Koran on their own way. For example, a few years ago Al-Azhar edicted smoking is forbidden (haram) because it is detrimental to your health. But everywhere, everyone smokes. Well, almost everyone. Don't get me started on the drinking habit too.
I say: Right. And so, when the Imams act like jerks, these people who choose to smoke against the Imams edicts and fatwas ought to actually verbalize their disagreement. The Imams are out of control, and their followers are, in many cases, murderers.
Part of being an adult in the world is accepting that the world comes first; that though we might wish it were different, that we might wish to make it so, that things should be perfect and in our wisdom we could make it so if only we could force others into accepting our vision as true as we see it to be; all such hubris is the work of a childish mind. One lives in a world of reality and fights against in an endless futility, even if one has all the power of a severely violent state, such as Muslim states imposing utopian shari'a schemes on the people. So what? all one gets in the end is dead bodies and stagnant cultures with enemies abounding.
Think I'm a serial killer? I'm just one drop preceding the first wave of Modernity that will hit the primitive world and wash away its jetsam and flotsom. Worry about that if you will, but consider that the second wave of Human outrage is coming too, the wave of those who see the weakness at last of Islam, who will wash across the world in mad vengeance for the depravities of Islam over the centuries. Islam has raised its own destruction from the world. We might not like the human toll to come, but such is the reality of life among adults. Look to a writer far better than I, Hosea:
"They sow the wind, and they reap the whirlwind".
P,
However, what they ought to do and what they actually do are 2 different things. The Imams are out of control. So what should they do; start a revolution or just a protest? The Authorities' clampdown on demonstrations in Iran recently is 1 example. Even that caused a few deaths. Imagine what a revolution would cause; countless loss of lives? There is no need for external assistance; look what happened to the Kurdish and incident at Bay of Pig, Cuba. The uprisings were crushed. They promises to come and assist, but it never materialize.
Abdu, I read you as either a girl or a man too young to know about the world and life in any genuine sense of adulthood; and contrary to your understanding of me, you thinking of me-- rightly so in my personal instance, unbeknownst to you-- as a serial killer; I have something akin to what you, or at least a person of genuine sensitivity, would term "pity." And pity, our dear, is worthless in this world, not staying the fell hand of men in war. You, a Muslim by choice or circumstance, are not anyone at all of interest or worth to the world at large, in spite of your immediate self, of your own ego-driven centre. You, Abdu, do not matter to the nature of Life or Man. You're just another being among billions. It's only personal to you and those few among your own who might care for you for family or personal reasons, which you cannot rightly expect from anyone else.
Like most people of my culture, I'm not a naturally cruel man, our Modernist culture having discovered it somewhat recently, somewhat uniquely, as a sin. That, dear Abdu, you might disagree with, not knowing the history of Man as one of gradual enlightenment in even the most basic of lessons, the lesson of the evil of cruelty being given to the world of Man from the Jews, you, as a practising and orthodox Muslim, must hate. Perhaps you know so little of your own religion that you don't even know that fundament of Islam, true and eternal as it is.
I pity you as a young thing to be corrupted by life as you will experience it, hard and terrible as life is for those who don't have the chance to explore critically and freely what the lessons of Morality can give to those free and determined to know and die in the knowing. You have nearly no chance to learn Morality. You are trapped for the full course of your life. For the most part, that is due to Islam; further, it is due to your culture, not a free one of Modernity but of the primitivism of Islam. So, like the slave you are by name, you will die in the body having never lived free in the life of the mind, which I pity you for. It is, to me, a crime against life itself to condemn a person to such a travesty of existence.
And given that you identify yourself as a Muslim, you leave no one of worth any choice but to identify you as a killer and an enslaver and destroyer of life. Who you are is so unimportant that no reasonable man could care. Like all men, we must look to our own most close and live for and with them, dismissing the others as friends or foes or neutral, but if as foes, those to be destroyed regardless of their personal qualities. And even if, by some arcane chance, you were a good person, still you would be an enemy of even those who fight for the good, those even the evil among us.
Yes, our dear, you are an enemy in spite of your candid innocence; and yes, it is to the good that you lose at the hand of an evil bastard like me when I fight for the good in destroying even one such as yourself.
Such is the conundrum of theodicy. Its not personal.
Oh well.
You still didn't answer the fucking question.
M .R., why would I care?
Really, the answer, fopping or prickish or ticklish or anything else I like, is up to me. You read, you don't read, it's not really up to me. Please, please yourself.
Because your pontificating could lead someone to believe and act on that and allow you to retreat behind "I never said that".
If we (at IBA anyway) keep saying that the mythical moderate muslim needs to speak up, then when one shows up who shows signs of being that mythical moderate muslim (granted, taqiyya is also possible) then why would we not engage that person in dialog instead of insults? Why would we choose to push them away?
Or has it all been bullshit here all along?
But, whatever.
Please, please yourself.
What the fuck do you care?
Here's a hint, mate: that "moderates" are the first target of those who aren't. If you have any concern for anyone, which I have no reason to believe to be so, then it might be your position that moderates should not be so as matter of prudence.
In this war, as we know if we know Islam and it's methods in warfare, clear and verifiable, "moderates' are exactly the people Muslims kill so they can clear the field of those who might or might not support further violent jihad. It's a simple matter of "politics of confrontation," well known to those who care, from the pst practice still in use among the fans of the FLN in Algeria under the influence of Franz Fanon. Kill the moderates so there is no room but extremism. It works, and they use it to this day.
Abdu targets him/herself by being "moderate." His friends in the Islamic world will turn to him as sacrificial being for the greater good of jihad. Do the lad favour and fuck yourself off so he can learn some lessons in advance of being killed, maybe saving his own life in the process.
Yes Dag,
1)Are you talking about killing all Muslims or just the Jihadis?
2)Or are you waiting for the Jihadis to kill all other (moderate) Muslims (and all (moderate) Infidels) and then only will you engage the Jihadis in combat? (less work this time)
Abdoos,
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