Does it even momentarily embarrass this jackass to be braying about "lone-wolf extremists" and "anti-government rhetoric" in the wake of Fort Hood, Northwest Airlines Flight 253, the would-be NYC subway bombers, Jamaat ul-Fuqra bases all over the country, and the rest of the laundry list of Islamist-related threats to our domestic security? What we really need fear is the Hutaree?
What would these morons do without Timothy McVeigh to flog anew every time this subject comes up? And aren't they worried that some day some one is going to point out that this particular emperor is buck naked because Tim McVeigh had help from Muslim terrorists in planning and executing his little "home-grown" plot?
Yes, Robert, we get the implied message about being polite and not stepping out of line. This weekend is the anniversary of the New Englanders who got the same message from the king of England back in 1775. You may recall what their answer was. Be thankful that all you're getting is "rhetoric". And as John Parker, Isaac Davis, Sam Adams, John Hancock, Paul Revere, William Dawes, Samuel Prescott might have put it, don't press your luck.
From FOX News:
Mueller: Home-Grown Extremists as Threatening as Al Qaeda
NewsCore
The warning, from the FBI Director, Robert Mueller, came as the former President Clinton drew parallels between the Oklahoma City tragedy and a recent upsurge in anti-government rhetoric.
Fifteen years after the Oklahoma City bombing, the specter of domestic terrorism has returned to haunt the Obama administration, with a warning from the FBI that “home-grown and lone-wolf extremists” now represent as serious a threat as Al Qaeda and its affiliates, The Times reported on Saturday.
The warning, from the FBI Director, Robert Mueller, came as the former President Clinton drew parallels between the Oklahoma City tragedy and a recent upsurge in anti-government rhetoric, while American television audiences heard Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, describe the “absolute rage” that drove him to plan an attack that killed 168 men, women and children.
An FBI spokesman said Friday that Mueller was referring to right-wing extremist groups and anti-government militias, as well as American Islamists, in his testimony to the Senate committee that must approve the FBI’s $8.3 billion budget.
Last month federal agents arrested nine members of a Christian militia based in Michigan, calling itself the Hutaree. They have been charged with plotting to murder local police with a stash of guns, knives and grenades.
Since the passage of President Obama’s health reforms, the FBI has also made arrests in Seattle and San Francisco after death threats were sent to Democratic senators.
“It’s one thing to express dissatisfaction with the Government but once you cross the line with a violent threat, that’s a violation that we take extremely seriously,” Bill Carter, the bureau’s spokesman, said.
The Oklahoma bombing was followed by an exhaustive civilian trial in which McVeigh became a hate figure to most but a hero to some members of the survivalist fringe on which he was radicalized.
He was executed in 2001, but not before granting 45 hours of death-row interviews to the authors of a book, American Terrorist, whose tapes will be broadcast for the first time on Monday.
McVeigh never confessed to the bombing in court but he appears to do so on the tapes.
“I feel no shame for it,” he says. “This was something that I saw as a larger good, and I know that, as I analyzed the history of not just the U.S., but all nations throughout the history of mankind. People have killed for what they believed was the greater good, and it’s accepted. Sometimes killing is accepted.”
The White House was careful to emphasize that the threat of external terrorism remained acute but senior officials are privately confident that military operations in Afghanistan are going well and putting Al Qaeda on the back foot.
Few people in Washington are as confident about the domestic threat.
Good. I hope the little bastards are wetting their pants. By November they'll be claiming that we plan to tar and feather them and ride them out of town -- D.C. to be specific -- on a rail.
If only.
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Saturday, April 17, 2010
Thursday, April 01, 2010
Robert Spencer at Human Events:
Media Dream Come True: ‘Christian’ Groups Fighting Muslims
by Robert Spencer
04/01/2010
A Christian militia group—called the “Hutaree”—preparing to battle the Antichrist and targeting Muslims has been raided by the FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force, and seven of its members have been arrested. These raids and the alleged Christian character of the militia, as well as its targeting of Muslims, is a mainstream media dream come true—a few years back the BBC featured an improbable inversion-of-reality drama about Christians beheading Muslims, and now, lo and behold, it seems to have come to life.
For years now we have heard, in the indelible formulation of Rosie O’Donnell, that “radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam,” and yet proponents of this exercise in wishful thinking and ignorance have had precious little evidence to adduce in support of it. But now it is certain that for years to come this Hutaree group will be thrown in the face of anyone who takes note of jihad activity in the United States and around the world, as if this group in itself balances and equals the innumerable Islamic groups that are waging armed jihad all around the world today.
The point will be the same as the one Tim McVeigh has had to shoulder alone all these years (even though he wasn’t really a Christian at all and did not justify the Oklahoma City bombing by referring to Christian teaching): that every religion has its “extremists,” and that therefore it would be bad form to subject Islam to greater critical scrutiny, and Muslims to greater law-enforcement scrutiny. Everyone does it, don’t you see? Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hizballah, Jemaah Islamiyah, al-Shabaab, and on and on and on—yes, but the Hutaree!
Meanwhile, in the Detroit News story on the raids, which as tendentious, superficial, and slanted as all the mainstream media coverage of the Hutaree’s downfall, the Hutaree is matter-of-factly identified as Christian. Yet there are no quotations in the story from Christian leaders explaining how they condemn this “Christian militia,” and saying that Christianity doesn’t condone such violence, and that these militiamen have twisted and hijacked their peaceful faith. Why didn’t the News take care to gather such quotes? After all, they always include such quotes from Muslim leaders in every story about Islamic jihad terror activity. Why is the practice different in this case?
Yet instead of the mainstream moderate Christians (now there’s a phrase we don’t ever see even from the moral-equivalence types) that we would have every reason to expect the Detroit News to feature in this story, the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) shows up toward the end of the article, playing the victim card with gusto. The arrests are announced during the tenth anniversary banquet of the group’s Michigan chapter, to “audible gasps” from the assembled crowd. The claiming of victim status, complete with gasping prospective victims, is artful—and of course the Detroit News, true to mainstream media form, says nothing about CAIR’s links to Hamas, the jihad-related arrests and convictions of several of its officials, and the rest of this group’s unsavory record.
A responsible reporter might have asked Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR-Michigan, if he thought this alleged Christian militia group was a “backlash” after the sharp increase in jihad terror activity in the U.S. in the last year, but why should the Detroit News have responsible reporters on staff when no other mainstream media outlet does?
And as for the FBI and the JTTF, are they investigating the Muslim camps around the country where firearms and paramilitary training are known to be going on? Are they doing so with the same energy and resources that they obviously have devoted to the investigation of this Christian militia? If not, why not? If the allegations against this group are true, they richly deserve to be raided and arrested and shut down. But there have been allegations made against Islamic compounds in the U.S. that are quite similar, and nothing has been done. Why is that?
The Islamic jihad is global, well-financed (courtesy our friend and ally Saudi Arabia) and relentless. One self-proclaimed Christian group should not divert us from the ongoing need to defend ourselves against that jihad. But for many, it will.
Media Dream Come True: ‘Christian’ Groups Fighting Muslims
by Robert Spencer
04/01/2010
A Christian militia group—called the “Hutaree”—preparing to battle the Antichrist and targeting Muslims has been raided by the FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force, and seven of its members have been arrested. These raids and the alleged Christian character of the militia, as well as its targeting of Muslims, is a mainstream media dream come true—a few years back the BBC featured an improbable inversion-of-reality drama about Christians beheading Muslims, and now, lo and behold, it seems to have come to life.
For years now we have heard, in the indelible formulation of Rosie O’Donnell, that “radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam,” and yet proponents of this exercise in wishful thinking and ignorance have had precious little evidence to adduce in support of it. But now it is certain that for years to come this Hutaree group will be thrown in the face of anyone who takes note of jihad activity in the United States and around the world, as if this group in itself balances and equals the innumerable Islamic groups that are waging armed jihad all around the world today.
The point will be the same as the one Tim McVeigh has had to shoulder alone all these years (even though he wasn’t really a Christian at all and did not justify the Oklahoma City bombing by referring to Christian teaching): that every religion has its “extremists,” and that therefore it would be bad form to subject Islam to greater critical scrutiny, and Muslims to greater law-enforcement scrutiny. Everyone does it, don’t you see? Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hizballah, Jemaah Islamiyah, al-Shabaab, and on and on and on—yes, but the Hutaree!
Meanwhile, in the Detroit News story on the raids, which as tendentious, superficial, and slanted as all the mainstream media coverage of the Hutaree’s downfall, the Hutaree is matter-of-factly identified as Christian. Yet there are no quotations in the story from Christian leaders explaining how they condemn this “Christian militia,” and saying that Christianity doesn’t condone such violence, and that these militiamen have twisted and hijacked their peaceful faith. Why didn’t the News take care to gather such quotes? After all, they always include such quotes from Muslim leaders in every story about Islamic jihad terror activity. Why is the practice different in this case?
Yet instead of the mainstream moderate Christians (now there’s a phrase we don’t ever see even from the moral-equivalence types) that we would have every reason to expect the Detroit News to feature in this story, the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) shows up toward the end of the article, playing the victim card with gusto. The arrests are announced during the tenth anniversary banquet of the group’s Michigan chapter, to “audible gasps” from the assembled crowd. The claiming of victim status, complete with gasping prospective victims, is artful—and of course the Detroit News, true to mainstream media form, says nothing about CAIR’s links to Hamas, the jihad-related arrests and convictions of several of its officials, and the rest of this group’s unsavory record.
A responsible reporter might have asked Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR-Michigan, if he thought this alleged Christian militia group was a “backlash” after the sharp increase in jihad terror activity in the U.S. in the last year, but why should the Detroit News have responsible reporters on staff when no other mainstream media outlet does?
And as for the FBI and the JTTF, are they investigating the Muslim camps around the country where firearms and paramilitary training are known to be going on? Are they doing so with the same energy and resources that they obviously have devoted to the investigation of this Christian militia? If not, why not? If the allegations against this group are true, they richly deserve to be raided and arrested and shut down. But there have been allegations made against Islamic compounds in the U.S. that are quite similar, and nothing has been done. Why is that?
The Islamic jihad is global, well-financed (courtesy our friend and ally Saudi Arabia) and relentless. One self-proclaimed Christian group should not divert us from the ongoing need to defend ourselves against that jihad. But for many, it will.
Nine Members of a Militia Group Charged With Seditious Conspiracy and Attempted Use Of Weapons of Mass Destruction
From PR Newswire:
My question is, why is it that no aspiring Muslim terrorists have been charged with Seditious Conspiracy?
For instance, how about these the following:
The list goes on and on and on ...
WASHINGTON, March 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Six Michigan residents, along with two residents of Ohio and a resident of Indiana, were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, Attorney General Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara L. McQuade and FBI Special Agent in Charge Andrew Arena announced today.I think it is appropriate that these guys be charged as such.The five count indictment, which was unsealed today, charges that between August 2008 and the present, the defendants, David Brian Stone, 45; his wife, Tina Stone, 44; his son, Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, of Clayton, Mich.; and his other son, David Brian Stone, Jr., 19, of Adrian, Mich.; Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield, Mich.; Michael Meeks, 40 of Manchester, Mich.; Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Ind.; Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio; and Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio, acting as a Lenawee County, Mich., militia group called the Hutaree, conspired to oppose by force the authority of the U.S. government. According to the indictment, Hutaree members view local, state, and federal law enforcement as the "brotherhood," their enemy, and have been preparing to engage them in armed conflict.
The indictment also alleges that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who would gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices with explosively formed projectiles, which, according to the indictment, constitute weapons of mass destruction.
Subsequently, and in furtherance of this plan, David Brian Stone, the Hutaree's leader, obtained information about such devices over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of such devices to a person he believed capable of manufacturing the devices. He then had his son, Joshua Matthew Stone, and others gather materials necessary for the manufacturing of such devices.
My question is, why is it that no aspiring Muslim terrorists have been charged with Seditious Conspiracy?
For instance, how about these the following:
Chicago Muslim Indicted -- Planned August 2010 attack against U.S. large sports stadium, "Boom, Boom, Boom"
New York City terrorism suspect admits subway attack plan
2006 Sears Tower plot
Kennedy Airport Terror Plot Thwarted "ONE OF THE MOST CHILLING PLOTS IMAGINABLE"
The list goes on and on and on ...
Monday, March 29, 2010
FBI Arrests 7 Linked to "Christian Militia Group Hutaree"
The 7 people arrested during joint FBI/DHS raids have been linked to a "Christian militia group" known as Hutaree.
Mar 28, 2010 6:49 pm
US/Eastern FBI Arrests 7 With Ties To Christian Militia
WASHINGTON (CBS)
A joint-terrorism task force led by the FBI has arrested at least seven people with ties to the militia group Hutaree in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, the Detroit News reported Sunday.
The Hutaree describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
The FBI is believed to have targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations. A U.S. official says some of the people arrested in the raids will face gun charges.
The law enforcement official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the investigation. Federal warrants are sealed.
Michael Lackomar, spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, an unrelated organization, says a member of his group was called by members the Hutaree Saturday who claimed their property was being raided. Lackomar says the Michigan militia member is cooperating with the FBI.
Michigan Militia members define themselves as survivalists who favor larger local government and smaller federal government. The group has been recognized recently for helping local officials in Bridgewater Township, Mich. locate missing persons.
The suspects in the Hutaree raid will make an appearance in a U.S. District Court on Monday.
Addendum from AOW: Creeping Sharia has some additional information, including CAIR's reaction.
Also, Hutaree's web site is HERE.
Mar 28, 2010 6:49 pm
US/Eastern FBI Arrests 7 With Ties To Christian Militia
WASHINGTON (CBS)
A joint-terrorism task force led by the FBI has arrested at least seven people with ties to the militia group Hutaree in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, the Detroit News reported Sunday.
The Hutaree describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
The FBI is believed to have targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations. A U.S. official says some of the people arrested in the raids will face gun charges.
The law enforcement official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the investigation. Federal warrants are sealed.
Michael Lackomar, spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, an unrelated organization, says a member of his group was called by members the Hutaree Saturday who claimed their property was being raided. Lackomar says the Michigan militia member is cooperating with the FBI.
Michigan Militia members define themselves as survivalists who favor larger local government and smaller federal government. The group has been recognized recently for helping local officials in Bridgewater Township, Mich. locate missing persons.
The suspects in the Hutaree raid will make an appearance in a U.S. District Court on Monday.
Addendum from AOW: Creeping Sharia has some additional information, including CAIR's reaction.
Also, Hutaree's web site is HERE.
More on the Militia Arrests
Hutaree -- "Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive"
Seems like they're taking preparing for battle rather seriously.
Not much in the big press about this yet. But the FBI seems to have, indeed, taken down a hard right militia. The kind that will give Conservatives a bad name.
Hutaree is being described (and self-described) as a Christian Militia who believe the Tribulations are begun and are apparently apparently getting ready to do something about it.
Maybe we haven't seen it in the MSM because they're afraid of stoking the fires in an already charged atmosphere. Maybe they just don't think it's a big enough story. I can't imagine eitherof those are actually the case. You would think with the allegations of threats this last week they would be on this like a tick on a dog. Maybe the FBI isn't done with what they need to do and have a bit of a gag order out there.
Or maybe they're just keeping this in their pocket for later. A good crisis and all that.
This is NOT The Tea Party Movement. These are not Town Hall participants. This is not what we are talking about when we talk about resisting and civil disobedience.
And it doesn't matter much if the MSM has it or not. Many smaller news sources do and so do some of the big blogs like Daily Kos. Who will play it for all they can, of course.
IF what we are told about this group is true, they are not Patriots, but extreme nutcases whose antics will do our cause harm.
Not that Markos will really care about that.
Detroit News:
Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group
JENNIFER CHAMBERS
The Detroit News
At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said.
The suspects are expected to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Detroit on Monday.
On Sunday, a source close to the investigation in Washington, D.C. confirmed that FBI agents were conducting activities in Washtenaw and Lenawee counties over the weekend in connection to Hutaree, a Christian militia group. Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold told The Detroit News the federal warrants in the case are under court seal and declined further comment.
Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
WXYZ-TV reports that helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of Saturday night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area. Witnesses told the station that it was like a small army had descended on the area. The Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids.
Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com were not a part of the raid.
Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.
"Last night and into today the FBI conducted a raid against homes belonging to the Hutaree. They are a religious cult. They are not part of our militia community," he said.
Lackomar said he was told there were five arrests Saturday and another five early Sunday. The FBI declined to comment.
One of the Hutaree members called a Michigan militia leader for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who is of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help. That Michigan militia leader is now working with federal officials to provide information on the Hutaree member for the investigation, Lackomar said Sunday.
"They are more of survivalist group and in an emergency they withdraw and stand their ground. They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.
Sources from the Michigan militia community said one of the FBI raids took place Saturday during a wake for a Hutaree member who had died of natural causes. A Hutaree leader was arrested during the wake while at the same time agents were conducting raids at other locations.
The Associated Press is reporting that FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday in northwest Ohio. A third arrest was made in Illinois on Sunday, a day after raids in northwest Indiana.
Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group's 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims.
"Don't allow this news to scare you away from practicing your faith," said Walid.
Audible gaps were heard throughout the banquet hall when the news was announced. Walid said he will call local authorities about more information on the allegations. He urged local Muslims to recommitt themselves to their faith in light of the accusations.
Seems like they're taking preparing for battle rather seriously.
Not much in the big press about this yet. But the FBI seems to have, indeed, taken down a hard right militia. The kind that will give Conservatives a bad name.
Hutaree is being described (and self-described) as a Christian Militia who believe the Tribulations are begun and are apparently apparently getting ready to do something about it.
Maybe we haven't seen it in the MSM because they're afraid of stoking the fires in an already charged atmosphere. Maybe they just don't think it's a big enough story. I can't imagine eitherof those are actually the case. You would think with the allegations of threats this last week they would be on this like a tick on a dog. Maybe the FBI isn't done with what they need to do and have a bit of a gag order out there.
Or maybe they're just keeping this in their pocket for later. A good crisis and all that.
This is NOT The Tea Party Movement. These are not Town Hall participants. This is not what we are talking about when we talk about resisting and civil disobedience.
And it doesn't matter much if the MSM has it or not. Many smaller news sources do and so do some of the big blogs like Daily Kos. Who will play it for all they can, of course.
IF what we are told about this group is true, they are not Patriots, but extreme nutcases whose antics will do our cause harm.
Not that Markos will really care about that.
Detroit News:
Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group
JENNIFER CHAMBERS
The Detroit News
At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said.
The suspects are expected to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Detroit on Monday.
On Sunday, a source close to the investigation in Washington, D.C. confirmed that FBI agents were conducting activities in Washtenaw and Lenawee counties over the weekend in connection to Hutaree, a Christian militia group. Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold told The Detroit News the federal warrants in the case are under court seal and declined further comment.
Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
WXYZ-TV reports that helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of Saturday night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area. Witnesses told the station that it was like a small army had descended on the area. The Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids.
Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com were not a part of the raid.
Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.
"Last night and into today the FBI conducted a raid against homes belonging to the Hutaree. They are a religious cult. They are not part of our militia community," he said.
Lackomar said he was told there were five arrests Saturday and another five early Sunday. The FBI declined to comment.
One of the Hutaree members called a Michigan militia leader for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who is of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help. That Michigan militia leader is now working with federal officials to provide information on the Hutaree member for the investigation, Lackomar said Sunday.
"They are more of survivalist group and in an emergency they withdraw and stand their ground. They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.
Sources from the Michigan militia community said one of the FBI raids took place Saturday during a wake for a Hutaree member who had died of natural causes. A Hutaree leader was arrested during the wake while at the same time agents were conducting raids at other locations.
The Associated Press is reporting that FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday in northwest Ohio. A third arrest was made in Illinois on Sunday, a day after raids in northwest Indiana.
Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group's 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims.
"Don't allow this news to scare you away from practicing your faith," said Walid.
Audible gaps were heard throughout the banquet hall when the news was announced. Walid said he will call local authorities about more information on the allegations. He urged local Muslims to recommitt themselves to their faith in light of the accusations.
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