What do you think?
Could that hole in the top of his car been from a "Jaws-of-Life" contraption which may have been used to pry him out of the car?
Photoshop?
Perhaps this isn't really Haider's car?
Any other explanations?
I'm guessing there will be more information coming our way.
UPDATE: Here's the original report in German. The BBC says Haider was speeding (twice the limit).
The debris, apparently, stretched on for at least one city block.
47 comments:
Perhaps, for good measure, you should include a link to "Rocket Ride." Because my estimation is "not rocket."
What is Rocket Ride?
That's probably a good joke, and I don't get it.
:)
Yeah, I think it's not likely a rocket either.
Unless it was one of those rockets that hits Palestinian cars.
LOL
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1351122185238013257
Another picture:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/12/alg_haider-car.jpg
Another picture:
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/10/11/haider-car-cp-5667975.jpg
Got it.
Not missile.
:)
As I noted in the post, it's likely jaws of life.
But, you know, when a politician of Haider's stature dies in these kind of circumstances, it would behoove the police to explain such anomalies.
Right?
Was the roof perforated by one of the metallic bars you can see in some pictures?
Maybe a chemtrail turned to ice, fell out of the sky and landed on Haider's car.
«Most cars manufactured these days, especially high end cars, have a throttle position sensor (TPS) hooked up to the car´s computer rather than a throttle cable going from the go pedal to the fuel injection pump. This TPS set-up is aka a `drive by wire´ system where the computer controls the fuel injection system rather than the drivers foot on the go pedal, i.e. the computer normally reads the TPS and then commands the FI system accordingly.
The thought occurs that just as many cars manufactured today have computers that can be shut down remotely, it would seem that a car´s computer can also be easily remotely controlled in other ways, such as being given a command for a wide open throttle condition. A high end car like that would accelerate very briskly at WOT, giving very little time for the driver to respond appropriately if caught off guard. Not at all outside the realm of possibilities.»
Source:
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?p=1352564
«All that is necessary with modern cars is to insert a chip. With that you disable the steering, control throttle or brakes..
The chip is then quietly removed after the accident.»
Source:
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?p=1352564
Of course, we have no proof of that at all. We could speculate that all accidents are caused by such subterfuge.
The hole in the roof of the car is interesting. What caused it?
Probably jaws of life.
«You don´t cut holes into the roof of cars to take the roof off: that´s counter productive and puts the patient in danger. By looking at the photo, no attempt was made to take the roof off, access was gained through the driver and passenger side doors.»
Source:
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?p=1352564
Check the close up of the wreck and hole...
I did check the close up.
It looks to me like they used something to bore a hole through the roof, to pull the top of the car upward, so that they could get the body out of the car.
However, the reason I put this post up is because I am not sure that that is what happened. I don't know.
And, there is no explanation at this point. The government, as I said, needs to be aware that they have a responsibility to disseminate as much information as possible in the case of such a death.
As he was the most powerful politician ever in and from austria, everything's possible. He got many enemies.
The crash as such, is not mysterious. He had to die in such an accident. The Police reported, that he was speeding, lost somehow control over the car and sufferd the horrible crashed. Technicians form VW declared everything fine with the physicality of the car (bevore the crash).
So the only questions, if we want to speak about an assassination is, if the electronic could have been manipulated. VW Phaeton is a brand new car, full of electronic gimmicks. There were incidents with new cars who speeded up automatically and couldn't been stopped from the driver itself. This would absolutely be possible for professional killers or services to corrupt. (by the way there are known tactics from left extremists but not only, available on the internet, how to set up such an assassination whit bright lights and stuff). If this is possible, as it seems to us, you only need to block somehow the wheels or put an obstacle on the road and voila. Horrible accident whit a great ammount of death possibility ...
To remind you: Haider was the most powerful politician in austria, won the last elections whit his new party BZÖ, wantet to join the administration (which lead last time to EU Sanctions!) and he wanted to declare in the weeks to come a prohibition for minaretts, like we try to obtain in switzerland.
We're not friends of conspiracy theories, but murders like this happens all the time around the world. it's absolutly not kosher.
the hole was caused by pier. those you can see on the last picture at the roadside
The talks for a new goverment in austria begun today ... so if Haider had to be taken out of the picture, the weekend was the last possibility ...
Interesting, Die Realitat. I didn't know about the negotiations towards forming a new government. I also was not aware that, as you say, Haider was the most powerful politician in Austrian history.
I'm guessing Hitler was excepted from that group because his power base was out of Germany.
What percentage of the vote did Haider command? I thought it was 20-25%, which to an American sounds very weak.
Die Realitat,
You said the hole in the car was caused by a "pier".
What is a pier?
«It looks to me like they used something to bore a hole through the roof, to pull the top of the car upward, so that they could get the body out of the car.»
die Realität,
What we can see in the pictures - is that all it was pulled upward?
sorry, no time for perfect englisch. ;)
pier = pillar
Haiders new party BZÖ commanded only 11% but this was theyr FIRST Election. The second "right-wing" party he once commanded (the time EU set up sanctions against austria becaus of the power they got then) is FPÖ. If you summarize both party's they command at the moment 30%. As much as the biggest party in austria the SPÖ.
In Europe we got more than just two parties, that's why not only voter command is important, but also "administration" power.
«The Phaeton also features an advanced traction control system (ASR), anti-lock brakes (ABS), electronic differential lock (EDL), engine braking control (EBC), Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD), and Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), with emergency Brake Assist (BA).»
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Phaeton
so ... manipulation of this electronic package could be possible ...
Die Realitat,
Unless there is something I don't understand, I do not at all believe the hole in the roof of Haider's car was caused by a collision with a pillar.
(...)
«Mr Haider’s four-wheeled drive VW Phaeton V6 was completely shattered by the crash, near the southern city of Klagenfurt.
Two of the car’s doors were ripped out by the impact and he suffered severe head, neck and chest injuries, as well as a broken spine, and his left arm was almost completely severed.
His speedometer stopped at 142 kph at the time of the crash. Police said the car veered off the road after Mr Haider overtook another vehicle, then struck a concrete pillar and rolled over.»
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4929895.ece
«Mr Haider, the Governor of Carinthia, apparently “hated” the road on which he died after a similar accident in 1993, in which he emerged unscathed. The speed limit at the crash site is just 70 kph (43 mph), and it drops to 50 kph (31 mph) just 100 meters farther down the road in the direction that Mr Haider was heading.»
(...)
«According to witnesses, Mr Haider attended two parties before the crash – one official event of the local government and one magazine launch – and was visibly tired when he gave his driver a night off and decided to drive his official car himself.
Friedrich Schager, the driver, said: “Joerg would often drive home on his own. He has given me so many days off. In retrospect, I desperately regret having accepted his offer.”»
It was a known itinerary.
we've seen the press converence - the policie officer there said, that he overtook (double roadway in one direction), continued and then initially lost control ...
... suddenly lost control ...
-- The metallic bars --
When a car rolling over an object like a metallic bar - in the right angle with the right strength, a hole is not impossible to happen.
It also depends on the metal characteristics.
At least one of the bars has to be broken. If it´s not broken, then it was not how it happened.
Looking at the picture, it looks like the measures do not match.
it was a concrete pillar.
Guardian: Police ruled out foul play or technical glitches a day after the crash which killed the governor of Austria's southernmost state, Carinthia.
Haider was speeding, got killed, problem solved. no discussion.
VW Phateon got more than 20 airbags ...
What are the signs in the car´s ink that it was a concrete pillar?
Any picture of the concrete pillar?
Didn´t he have to loose control of the car before hitting the concrete?
Jean Pierre Stirbois
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE2D8133EF935A35752C1A96E948260
As i said bevore. Patient dead - no further questions. France is know for it's commandos, especially with self-centered presidents ...
Peple can have all the questions they want.
It is odd that many right-wing politicians suddenly die throughout the EU.
http://codshit.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-austrias-jrg-haider-was.html
«Chief Prosecutor Gottfried Krantza, while denying both «foul play» and «technical glitches» in the crash - announced to a press conference that Haider was driving at twice the authorized speed on the wide highway; yet, he was unwilling to answer a question about whether his blood had been tested to determine its alcohol level. By not answering, everyone ignorant of the fact that Haider almost never drank would assume that he was drunk at the time.»
«Then the description by the undisclosed woman who said that Haider lost control of the VW Phaeton V6 while overtaking her car - who has since conveniently disappeared - hardly matched the video which showed that Haider´s car crashed into a concrete barrier on the passenger´s side of the road before spinning back left onto the highway. Then the press has contended that Haider was returning home late after having visited a nightclub when witnesses claimed that he had gone to a local government celebration, and a book promotion launch where he sipped a half glass of champagne before returning home.»
«Then Haider´s driver, Friedrich Schager, said that the provincial governor persuaded him to let him drive home by himself after he had dropped off Schager at his house, though Haider seemed tired»
Jörg Haider Banken Mafia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYtor_MPJ3E
Drive by wire car?..drive up near the car, hack the system, peg the throttle.. scramble the controls..cul8r.
No fingerprints, no proof, no nothing, just a wreck at high speed
Try that on for conspiracy theory.
Of course he probably winked out, and tht was that
«No breaking traces were visible, anywhere. You can see exactly the location where Haider´s car veered off the road - there are straight lines without braking attempts - clearly seen in the grassy part, right to the main road that leads into a slight slope that would cause the car to flip over»
«No mentioning of the identity of the main witness anywhere - what seems to be strange - as you would suspect hordes of yellow-press journalists chasing after that woman who must have seen the accident»
«Both left doors of the car were missing and can be found - almost undamaged - on different locations at different pictures.»
«Strange, that you could see no blood on the crime scene, especially not on the driver´s seat»
«Both left doors of the car were missing and can be found - almost undamaged - on different locations at different pictures.»
«Besides the fact that there is no word of the mysterious woman in the car after Dr.Haider, anymore, there are likewise no statements of the inhabitants in the houses around, who should have recognized a «big bang» in the night. Strange!»
«And there is even more: Look at that almost circular HOLE, right above the driver´s seat!»
«What effect causes an almost perfect circular hole into the roof, located exactly over the driver?»
http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=5464&page=2
Funny how it's only anti-Zionist or pro-Palestinian politicians who seem to die in 'accidents.'
With the isolated exception of Rabin, who seems to have been assassinated by his own people, e.g., the Mossad, no prominent Jew has ever been assassinated or has died in a suspicious accident.
No prominent supporter of Jews and Zionism has ever been assassinated or has died in a suspicious accident.
If these ‘accidents’ were really accidents, we’d expect them to be ‘politically neutral.’ But they’re not. The victims always seem to be someone Jews just happen to be worried about.
As for the ‘Haider drunk’ red herring:
This claim would pass muster if someone had actually seen Haider drinking a few too many that night. But there are no witnesses to any such behaviour, and if there were I think they would have come forward by now.
Also, if he was apt to driving too fast, he’d have accumulated a few speeding tickets in his life first. Not many 58 year olds drive recklessly - and most of those who do probably already have a few fines on their record.
I am more interested in the two doors that were detached from the vehicle and the mysterious woman (as far as I know, still unnamed and uninterviewed by the media) who was first at the scene.
In an interesting development, the host has now shut down the website, Judicial-Inc.Biz, which only days ago put forward a plausible scenario as to what probably happened.
Perhaps it was shut down because the Judicial-Inc.Biz scenario was correct.
‘Australia Calling’: National Socialist radio show from Australia
First half of the show is about the Haider assassination:
http://www.nsm88radio.com/Aussie%20calling/AC101208.mp3
I'm sorry, so you're telling me Haider was anti-Zionist?
You could have fooled me what with all the people supporting him here at IBA?
Could you post some links for us showing that he was anti-Zionist?
I simply do not believe it.
:)
Pastorius, you seem to be the Jewish Internet Defence Force representative here.
I'm only responding to your comment because there is a point involved (for once).
I don't know if Haider was anti-Zionist, but I said anti-Zionist or pro-Palestinian.
I do know that he was pro-Arab, indeed pro-Palestinian, and that he was a target of Mossad surveillance.
I don't think the Mossad would have kept an eye on him for nothing.
By the way, the ADL doesn't seem to have liked his contacts with Saddam Hussein:
http://www.adl.org/extremism/haider-hussein.asp
Your turn: evidence that Haider was pro-Zionist please.
So, you're the same Anonymous who was hassling me about Jews who, in part, initiated the modern immigration problem, and you're an advocate for Nationalist Socialist Radio.
Is that right?
Obviously, whatever caused that hole in the roof was the same object that hit Haider's Chest and tore his arm off. Probably some sort of rocket without an explosive head?
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