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Tuesday, June 07, 2016

Trump’s win at any cost in any situation by any means cannot extend to RACIAL means

(((We had a child get married OFF THE GRID this weekend and so I had a chance to consider this. I have not looked at IBA previous to this post ...)))

And not because he is running for president.

Judge Curiel should have recused himself, not because of his heritage, but because he is a member of a judicial La Raza group which lists as an affiliate link the REAL La Raza, which is RACIST, and which works in a pro-illegal immigration advocacy milieu.
César Chávez was a critic of La Raza, stating to Peter Matthiessen of The New Yorker, ““I hear more and more Mexicans talking about la raza—to build up their pride. Some people don’t look at it as racism, but when you say ‘La Raza,’ you are saying an anti-gringo thing, and it won’t stop there. Today it’s anti-gringo, tomorrow it will be anti-Negro
He might be able to be an impartial judge, but I doubt it. If it’s arguable, he should have left the case.
But this is not what Trump said. I don’t know what he meant, and I DON’T CARE.

Instead of rethinking and restating, AND THERE WERE PLENTY OF WAYS TO DO SO, he doubled down (a progressive principle which grew in use in the last 8 years when you do something stupefyingly wrong).

I can’t defend Trump’s comment and I won’t. Worse still, THIS is the story not the 38,000 jobs created in the ENTIRE NATION. THIS is the story and not the mess in Fallujah RECREATED by this admin. THIS is the story and not the middle eastern men caught crossing the border on the terrorist list. THIS is the story and not the South China Sea. THIS is the story and not the Saudi arms diverted to ISIS. Etc., ad infinitum.

We all need to understand THIS is a huge test for Trump and it’s of his own creation. HE is the only one who can extricate his campaign. This is NOT a media creation, thought they are certainly taking advantage of it.
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20 Comments:

Blogger Nicoenarg said...

"I can’t defend Trump’s comment and I won’t. Worse still, THIS is the story not the 38,000 jobs created in the ENTIRE NATION..."

You give the media too much credit. As if, if this wasn't the story they'd all of a sudden turn to real journalism? Why do I think if they weren't talking about this, they'd be busy targeting someone they don't like. Most probably Trump.

As for what Trump said, I don't think it needs to be defended, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. Sure some here probably won't agree with me and that's fine.

This judge has been an activist judge and has taken sides in the past in favor of illegal immigration from Mexico. That for me is enough (other than the $#!t he's pulled in the case so far, the original plaintiff is gone, why has the case not been dismissed?) of a reason to not trust this guy. The EXACT same way I would not trust a Muslim judge if I were being sued for something and he found out that I was an ex Muslim.

This is common sense, no two ways about it.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:01:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

You can't run around saying the guy can't perform his profession because of his HERITAGE.

You might as well condemn Louis Brandeis for his decision in one of the most important cases of the depression and govt limitation Schecter Bros - because of HIS.

You can say the judge's POLITICS totally disqualify him, or better yet SAY NOTHING (and raise hell in the courtroom) and every time Jake Tapper asks about this REFOCUS and ask Tapper if he really thinks this is more important than the nation falling 120,000 jobs short of STAYING EVEN with a growing population? Or if that's more important than the lives which were probably lost over Clinton's lack of security getting her email hacked.

IF Trump wants to abandon PC and that's FINE BY ME, then he has got to hold himself to a very high standard specifically so he can SKEWER media with accusations of true bias

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:26:00 pm  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

For decades, I've been hearing "A white judge cannot be fair to a black defendant" and "A white jury cannot be fair to a black defendant." If we have grown to accept those statements, then why should we be so outraged at what Trump said about Curiel?

Even Justice Sotomayor has said something about a wise old Latina reaching a better decision than a wise old white man. Whatever THAT is supposed to mean.

Trump should've first filed papers objecting to Curiel.

And, yes, Curiel DOES have some connections which might well bias him against Trump.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:46:00 pm  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

"You can't run around saying the guy can't perform his profession because of his HERITAGE."

That's hyperbole that misses the point of Trump's objections to the judge and the way he objected to him.

Trump isn't just running around calling him a dirty Mexican who can't do his job. The question is, "if the case is so weak as you say, Donald, then why has it not been dismissed?" Because in any true reality of fair judgement, it should have been. The answer is, "because most probably the judge hates me being that he is of Mexican heritage, belongs to La Raza Lawyer's Assoc., he has sided with illegals, etc etc and I'm building a wall. He's probably butt hurt and being an activist judge."

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:02:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

If we are arguing this in here, and we SUPPORT TRUMP, there should be no argument about how independent voters will be hesitating unless he commits some act to reverse this.

But that was no hyperbole and my examples about Brandeis, or many of the Frankfurter's decisions could be questioned on the same basis ... Trump had a choice about how to disqualify this judge, and it's more than the facts ...it's about the perception of voters who ARE swayed by watching MSM. I stand by ALSO, that he shoud have kept his big fat trap SHUT and said 'no comment on active litigation, and why aren't you asing me about the 38,000 jobs?' ..but he has to win every single thing every single time by any means including arguments which have NOTHING TO DO with the main issue ..which is in doubt.

AoW is right about Sotomayor and Trump could have USED a sitting justice to back himself up, but no. Instead 'MEXICAN'.

Just plain STUPID.

Ammo for the HRC 'thin skin' argument

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:15:00 pm  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

"For decades, I've been hearing "A white judge cannot be fair to a black defendant" and "A white jury cannot be fair to a black defendant." If we have grown to accept those statements, then why should we be so outraged at what Trump said about Curiel?"

Exactly! Its faux outrage.

Although just a blank statement about someone's race and associating that with how they work or behave should not be acceptable in any case. This is a very specific case and there's actual pattern to it. Trump isn't just making a blanket statement about ALL judges of Mexican heritage, anyone interpreting it that way is playing the Lib game of calling anything and everything in sight "racist".

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:16:00 pm  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

Epa, but we have been here before with the statement on Muslims and stopping all Muslim immigration temporarily.

We have had disagreements over Trump, and that's fine.

We see this differently, I don't see it in the light that you do and the point is that most of the people don't either. The media does, sure and Hillary's worshipers do, but most of the country has other things to worry about.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:20:00 pm  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

BTW congrats on your kid getting married.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:27:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

'most of the country has other things to worry about' That's what makes this horrible

BTW It gets worse ... it REDSTATE which has an unquenchable Cruz-hate for trump, but these are facts:http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/06/07/fox-news-contributor-trump-backer-kim-guilfoyle-also-member-la-raza/


and thanks about kid ..would you believe I married them?

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:34:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I've seen so much anti-White racism approved and promoted by the Government-Media/Academia Complex that I've ceased to care about any other form of racism coming out of the mouths of those I believe are not racist, such as Donald Trump.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:37:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mazel Tov on the marriage milestone, EPA.

As for Curiel, an Obama appointee, also consider this:
ConservativeTreehouse: La Raza Judge Gonzalo Curiel and the Hispanic National Bar Association…

The Hispanic National Bar Association published a press release on July 2nd 2015 which specifically stated their intention to target the “business interests” of Donald Trump. HNBA called for a boycott of all of Trump business ventures

The organization is identity based and by such becomes fair game. Keep in mind their motto:
"Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" — "For the race, everything, outside the race, nothing."
"La Raza" propaganda is actually pathetically ridiculous - a scam. Think about it...descendants of Caucasion Spanish conquerors exploiting the mythology of the Aztec people they conquered..."the race"??? They deserve nothing more than to be mocked into oblivion

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:38:00 pm  
Blogger midnight rider said...

Congrats on the kid's wedding Epa! While yours was walking down the aisle my last teenager was getting her high school diploma.

Gonna be real quiet around here in a few months.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:06:00 pm  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Pasto,
I, too, have reached that point!

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:07:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Conservative blogger Ace of Spades (who is a very reasonable person) is similarly underwhelmed by the Trump is a Racist argument

On Race and Judges, Trump Isn't a Racist nor a Conservative -- He's a Standard Issue Liberal
—Ace

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363916.php

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:27:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BusinessInsider: Republicans are scrambling to clarify that they don't think Donald Trump is a racist

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:23:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

It's not US I am concerned with.

It's voters who can be swayed.

Trump has probably promoted without even knowing or caring more women, latinos, asians, and blacks than any nominee of either party in the last GENERATION

PS, why isn't he saying that?

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:26:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I could be wrong, but it seems to me Trump does not lay out his cards until everyone else is committed to their cards.

ESPECIALLY WHEN HE HAS THE WINNING HAND.

Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:45:00 pm  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

At CNN this evening...

Trump: Comments about judge 'misconstrued'.

Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:21:00 am  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

"and thanks about kid ..would you believe I married them?"

Nice. Well double congrats in that case.

MR,

"my last teenager was getting her high school diploma."

Congrats!

Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:12:00 am  
Blogger Redneck Texan said...

Congrats on the Kid EPA.

I was wondering how these accusations of racism against Trump was playing in your hypersensitive mind.

I think AOW nailed it with the All white Jury analogy.

Blacks who complain about bias with white judges and juries, and Trumps statement about this Hispanic judge are both correct.

Racial / Ethnic / Religious bias is the natural order of things EPA. The vast majority of human minds on this planet harbor such biases EPA. A lot might claim they dont but pretty much all do.

All the great presidents on Mt-Rushmore were racists. (Even Lincoln). If they hadn't been Rushmore would still be in Indian Territory. We would have never become a superpower without a collective racist mindset. My house would be in Mexico today.

I thought maybe your worldview was a Jewish thing, but then I look at how Ethiopian Jews are treated in Israel, and realize its not that.

The last thing Trump needs to do is back away from the uncomfortable truth. I think most Trump supporters, and true independents, recognize the truth in his accusations.

Wednesday, June 08, 2016 5:29:00 pm  

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