Rex Tillerson said this:
We May Not Win A Battlefield Victory But You Won’t EitherAnd Gorka QUIT saying this:
“[G]iven recent events, it is clear to me that forces that do not support the MAGA promise are – for now – ascendant within the White House,” Gorka wrote. “As a result, the best and most effective way I can support you, Mr. President, is from outside the People’s House.”
“Regrettably, outside of yourself, the individuals who most embodied and represented the policies that will ‘Make America Great Again,’ have been internally countered, systematically removed, or undermined in recent months. This was made patently obvious as I read the text of your speech on Afghanistan this week… “The fact that those who drafted and approved the speech removed any mention of Radical Islam or radical Islamic terrorism proves that a crucial element of your presidential campaign has been lost… “
Just as worrying, when discussing our future actions in the region, the speech listed operational objectives without ever defining the strategic victory conditions we are fighting for. This omission should seriously disturb any national security professional, and any American who is unsatisfied with the last 16 years of disastrous policy decisions which have led to thousands of Americans killed and trillions of taxpayer dollars spent in ways that have not brought security or victory.”I really didn't care so much for Bannon leaving as he was a firebreathing bomb thrower inside who I felt might be a big time leaker, and his objectives (the worthy ones) could be reached without his techniques.
Gorka, however, is a policy and strategy guy. Will Walid Phares be next?
He is correct on the enemy and correct as to what victory takes.
Donald Trump has now embarked, as Tillerson makes clear, on a policy of MANAGING terror which then is ACCEPTING (since we are not perfect) of some American CIVILIAN casualties here in the USA.
Are we too tired, too civilized, too selfish here in our BBQ's and good times, to accept there is no alternative but to define victory and act to win, to engage the public in whatever we need to do?
Hassan Abassi, chief military strategist for the Guardian Council of Iran
#WHATITITAKES
Hideous, racial, offensive, and VICTORY. Sometimes, it WILL BE DIRTY
Attempts to MANAGE the GWOT WILL, for democracies and republics, over the LONG WAR result in LOSS OF THE WAR
Theorem for all combat and all war
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If Trump has traded in his vision for just getting along, he is EVEN WORSE in my eyes than John Roberts.
At least John Roberts didn't get elected on the energy of the Hopes, and the Trust of the American people.
Will Walid Phares be next?
If that happens, we'll know without any doubt that the will of the people has been usurped. AGAIN!
From The Federalist:
In response to this story, the White House issued a statement that said, “Sebastian Gorka did not resign, but I can confirm he no longer works at the White House.”
I have been in a tweet thead now gogin on for 10-12 days with a bunch guys, all military, none stupid, but ALL educated in institutional think.
They all seem to feel this cannot be 'won' (and all seemed to have served there, trained others all across the area from Morocco to Iraq), just be managed. When I pointed out that NO democracy nin the history of the world has ever won a long war like this they all agree. But go no further in logic. Most (by far) do not want to admit Turkey is GONE by the people's choice, and the results of all the elections in the ME pointing to the PEOPLE there wanting more Sharia/fundamentalism still leaves them with 'hope'
I can only conclude that the US military is not now configured to bring victory. I asked if we were now too civilized to win. No clear answer there. At this point they are more worried about NATO (plenty of reason to be concerned, but the reality is that we have multiple serious threats)
NONE of them thinks islamism is an existential threat
ANd now Gorka has quit for reasons which are pretty obvious, what I have engaged in is what is around the president.
The US military does not accept that there can be a victory.
Except by doing what we are doing smarter, and for 50 years (maybe) thus winning hearts and minds, gradually extinguishing this 'perverted' version of Islam.
They think Peters is ignored and dumb (*some of these guys are IC), and Gorke is a stupid idiot who never got security clearance.
Smart guys (and gals), dedicated, and strategically WRONG.
They are open to disputatio and argument (yet), but I doubt if I have impacted, and the most likes in the conversation where I was involved was a comment that I was biased agains ALL MUSLIMS
I remember that, when I first became aware of the Left/Right distinction, I also became aware that there was a brand of Hippie Leftist for whom communication was a mantra/necessary good. These Hippie Leftists touted communication as being the key to solving all problems.
These same Hippie Leftists would NEVER change their opinion when presented with facts and thus shown to be logically wrong in a conversation.
Therefore, I concluded, these Hippie Leftists were NOT OPEN TO COMMUNICATION.
They were ONLY open to the idea of winning an argument against someone like me.
IMO, Epa, it sounds to me as if the military people you are talking about are the same as the Hippie Leftists I became aware of back in the 80's. If they are what it sounds as if they are - i.e. it I am right - THEN THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO COMMUNICATION, AT ALL.
I'm with Pasto on the fuckin pissed off when I first saw this yesterday.
Either McMaster OR maybe even Kelly cleaning house of the bombthrowers. Which is bad. We voted for a bombthrower b/c we needed a bombthrower and now I feel like we've been had.
We control both Senate House and The People's House and STILL nothing is really getting done.
If they (media, pols etc.) thought revolution by ballot was something to behold, they're going to love what comes next if this is what the first term looks like.
If he continues his current trajectory, Trump will lose in the primary.
MR,
now I feel like we've been had
I'm starting to get that same feeling.
I can see many good results of DJT being in office.
Still, McMaster seems to be in charge of a great dal.
I DON'T TRUST MCMASTER.
From Jihad Watch today:
Gorka out of Trump administration over President’s failure to identify Islamic terrorism as Islamic
Gorka himself has been known to equivocate on this issue, but he was one of the last, if not the last, member of the Trump administration who was upholding, even in part, Trump’s apparent campaign promise to speak honestly about the motivating ideology of the jihad threat. Now that he is gone, it appears that the proponents of Obamaesque denial and willful ignorance have won the day. Trump may recover, of course, or he may not. But right now, in the context of the Left’s intense ongoing efforts to deny all dissenters any access to the means of communication, the Trump administration’s abandonment of honesty regarding jihad means that soon those who speak honestly about this threat could have no voice at all in the public square.
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Gorka wasn’t perfect, but his departure, whether he jumped or was pushed, is another light going out in the failing Trump administration, and a harbinger of rough days to come....
Depressing.
All I can say is, Trump had better build that fucking wall.
You can not play with the Hopes and Trust of human beings and expect to things to go on if you flagrantly toss a fuck you at them in the aftermath.
What does he think is going to happen to him?
Move me from voter to neutral.
I hope he hits 4% GDP for the nation over the next few years, but by selecting a 'smarter' Obama FP, I can't support him.
A wall would be great, but I just don't believe (anymore) he will go the wall for the wall, and I don;t think he has the INFIGHTING GUTS to do it when all those around him want OTHER.
We might as well get ready to pull the lever AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT, because it will make no difference.
SCIENCE EXPERIMENT
A representative republic is a sham
Pasto,
All I can say is, Trump had better build that fucking wall.
AGREE!
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