All of us, every single man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth were born with the same unalienable rights; to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, if the governments of the world can't get that through their thick skulls, then, regime change will be necessary.
His lawyers reiterate that he did it, say they felt a not guilty plea "just seemed wrong," but won't plead guilty til they find out if prosecutors will seek death https://twitter.com/markberman/status/971508051730665472 The panel charged the 19-year-old with 17 counts of premeditated first-degree murder and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder in the mass shooting at the Parkland high school that left 14 students and three adults dead.
Regarding the prophetic - I was in the womb when my mother carried me into the prophetic realm of the church. My parents were full-blown charismatics.
Not weird for those who have experienced the same. Normal - for some of us.
Impressed about this guy - because there are also vast abuses of the gift that "in part" tells the future. Many abuses lie in the realm of generalities that can then be weaponized to say "I told you so!" when something happens. In a church we attended for twenty years I pushed hard for a "scribe" to write down every "prophetic word" so that fools could be dealt with according to the self-willed prophetic. Unpopular idea, of course, because the good resides alongside the bad for this to bring an element of "fun" to the church. Church was definitely fun, at least, for me. Some of the "prophetic" verged on scandalous because we had an open microphone for such things.
Never hear of this guy - but - Yowsa!
Yeah - fairly impressed, because it is better than the low I.Q. prophetic of most. There is much we still do not understand regarding how God speaks, breathes into the human spirit from day to day. For some, it is a thought. For others it is a coincidence. For others - Word of God - when reading a Psalm.
In my experience with Charismatic church life I have learned that "Thus saith the Lord" can be a form of manipulation to achieve a desired result. My response has always been, "Hath God indeed 'said'?"
Prophecy must conform to Biblical doctrine. And the realm of dreams-as-foretelling was abused by a few charlatans who made their living with dream interpretation back in the late 1980's and early 1990's. The Biblical standard goes back to the days of Joseph and a dream told in two forms (fat cows/skinny cows, etc.) And again, the actual occurrence of the event.
The standard again, is truth aligned with reality. I had a vivid dream in 2005 and still await reality. Until then, it is just a dream.
Regarding the video posted, I have seen individuals hit a bulls-eye regarding a future event, and in such detail - that such things, while not understood fully, cannot be denied. That same individual - may also fire off the occasional dud. Just comes with the territory for the adventurous at heart, those willing to put their reputation on the line.
Me? I keep my dream to myself and keep my mouth closed.
Regarding Kim Clement, if we believe that God spoke through a donkey, then it is entirely possible that a donkey might still speak; and speak the truth. I remain impressed with the video, because of my free-willing Charismatic upbringing. It does help that "trump" and "trumpet" are kissing cousins. Thank God someone named Lucci/Lucifer did not become POTUS.
Disagree with cjk. A bit too harsh. Wicked false prophets are traditionally individuals who know they are using God for an agenda. Not all who try to speak are wicked. They might just be putting on their big boy pants too soon.
Pete - while the guy may be a whackadoo, it is possible that whilst there was misidentification of intended man - pure stream comes through human experience and the corruption of the same can come from presumption regarding meaning.
But I have found that there are only a small handful to be trusted regarding foretelling of events. There is one lady (Generals International, is her organization, if memory serves me) that really pisses me off. She has taken a military rank system and placed herself at the top; having followed her, she is generic and makes her living trotting about. Many a "prophet" has destroyed a church in which they have no membership - and the gift is to be used within the walls of a local church, to strengthen the same. It is a pastoral gift belonging to one pasture. We allow these individuals to ride the range in herds. Have followed many of them for many years to evaluate cause and effect, truthfulness, integrity, etc. I have, quite literally, observed the destruction of a local church over such foolishness.
Went to hear one in person, because he had mis-fired badly on the 2012 presidential election. Quite the charlatan. But he was traveling to D.C. every little bit to pray on the sidewalk in front of the White House. Who subsidizes his trips? I dunno. Must be nice. Pray on the sidewalk, return to the nice hotel, go out for a fine dining experience.... All this, because the church lacks both the discernment and the kahunas to deal with this cottage industry.
A lot of folks in the New Apostolic Reformation mivement are into signs, wonders, and prophecy. Since the experience makes the money in that movement, there is pressure to gin up false signs and false prophecy. And there is a lot of that in that NAR movement.
Anyone can gin up something about war and conflict because on any given day, much of the world is dealing with the same.
I find much of the "prophetic" are things which are put out there at the top of a funnel in such broad manner that when reaching the bottom of the funnel, some event has happened which qualifies the "word". Akin to a palm reader who accurately reads the facial reactions of her victim to further along a broad narrative.
Anyone can prophesy a hurricane during the season in which they churn, or a tornado hitting tornado alley. There ya' go.
I think that is about eight. Soothsayer: "Beware the Ides of March" is one thing. "Ceasar, Brutus and the Senate will kill you in a few days" is another.
If you say or even imply that God is speaking through you and he isn't, you are INDEED a false, wicked, prophet according to what the true prophet Moses wrote.
cjk, I am on board with you. The Bible is clear and objective on this matter. Clement and those like him would have been stoned to death in ancient Israel.
Prince, your prophecy is at least as good as anything ever uttered by Mohammed. He said he would return to Mecca. Of course, that is no evidence of prophethood because he was in control of that. Mohammed, did correctly prophesy that he was a false prophet. See Quran 69:44-46 for Mohammed saying what would happen to him if he were a false prophet and Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 describing his death as consistent with what would happen to him if he were a false prophet.
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PalmBeachPost: Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz withdraws not guilty plea, stands mute on 34 counts
The Parkland suspect's lawyers have withdrawn his not guilty plea filed last month, instead saying he "stands mute"
His lawyers reiterate that he did it, say they felt a not guilty plea "just seemed wrong," but won't plead guilty til they find out if prosecutors will seek death
https://twitter.com/markberman/status/971508051730665472
The panel charged the 19-year-old with 17 counts of premeditated first-degree murder and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder in the mass shooting at the Parkland high school that left 14 students and three adults dead.
Regarding the prophetic - I was in the womb when my mother carried me into the prophetic realm of the church. My parents were full-blown charismatics.
Not weird for those who have experienced the same. Normal - for some of us.
Impressed about this guy - because there are also vast abuses of the gift that "in part" tells the future. Many abuses lie in the realm of generalities that can then be weaponized to say "I told you so!" when something happens. In a church we attended for twenty years I pushed hard for a "scribe" to write down every "prophetic word" so that fools could be dealt with according to the self-willed prophetic. Unpopular idea, of course, because the good resides alongside the bad for this to bring an element of "fun" to the church. Church was definitely fun, at least, for me. Some of the "prophetic" verged on scandalous because we had an open microphone for such things.
Never hear of this guy - but - Yowsa!
Yeah - fairly impressed, because it is better than the low I.Q. prophetic of most. There is much we still do not understand regarding how God speaks, breathes into the human spirit from day to day. For some, it is a thought. For others it is a coincidence. For others - Word of God - when reading a Psalm.
Every word must be fulfilled or we have not prophecy from G-d, but rather a modern-day Nostradamus. Every word is the standard.
https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/kim-clement-false-prophet-2005-predictions/
Oh, that's funny, Pete.
Wow, was he off or what?
Yes, a little bit! :-)
In my experience with Charismatic church life I have learned that "Thus saith the Lord" can be a form of manipulation to achieve a desired result. My response has always been, "Hath God indeed 'said'?"
Prophecy must conform to Biblical doctrine. And the realm of dreams-as-foretelling was abused by a few charlatans who made their living with dream interpretation back in the late 1980's and early 1990's. The Biblical standard goes back to the days of Joseph and a dream told in two forms (fat cows/skinny cows, etc.) And again, the actual occurrence of the event.
The standard again, is truth aligned with reality. I had a vivid dream in 2005 and still await reality. Until then, it is just a dream.
Regarding the video posted, I have seen individuals hit a bulls-eye regarding a future event, and in such detail - that such things, while not understood fully, cannot be denied. That same individual - may also fire off the occasional dud. Just comes with the territory for the adventurous at heart, those willing to put their reputation on the line.
Me? I keep my dream to myself and keep my mouth closed.
Regarding Kim Clement, if we believe that God spoke through a donkey, then it is entirely possible that a donkey might still speak; and speak the truth. I remain impressed with the video, because of my free-willing Charismatic upbringing. It does help that "trump" and "trumpet" are kissing cousins. Thank God someone named Lucci/Lucifer did not become POTUS.
He was talking about a praying man in the White House in 2007. That was about Bush not Trump. I think most his discussion in the video was about Bush.
One mistake, just one mistake makes ANYONE a wicked false prophet according to what Moses wrote.
Yes, I think you are right.
Disagree with cjk. A bit too harsh. Wicked false prophets are traditionally individuals who know they are using God for an agenda. Not all who try to speak are wicked. They might just be putting on their big boy pants too soon.
Pete - while the guy may be a whackadoo, it is possible that whilst there was misidentification of intended man - pure stream comes through human experience and the corruption of the same can come from presumption regarding meaning.
But I have found that there are only a small handful to be trusted regarding foretelling of events. There is one lady (Generals International, is her organization, if memory serves me) that really pisses me off. She has taken a military rank system and placed herself at the top; having followed her, she is generic and makes her living trotting about. Many a "prophet" has destroyed a church in which they have no membership - and the gift is to be used within the walls of a local church, to strengthen the same. It is a pastoral gift belonging to one pasture. We allow these individuals to ride the range in herds. Have followed many of them for many years to evaluate cause and effect, truthfulness, integrity, etc. I have, quite literally, observed the destruction of a local church over such foolishness.
Went to hear one in person, because he had mis-fired badly on the 2012 presidential election. Quite the charlatan. But he was traveling to D.C. every little bit to pray on the sidewalk in front of the White House. Who subsidizes his trips? I dunno. Must be nice. Pray on the sidewalk, return to the nice hotel, go out for a fine dining experience.... All this, because the church lacks both the discernment and the kahunas to deal with this cottage industry.
* Still like what Pasto put up as a set piece.
A lot of folks in the New Apostolic Reformation mivement are into signs, wonders, and prophecy. Since the experience makes the money in that movement, there is pressure to gin up false signs and false prophecy. And there is a lot of that in that NAR movement.
Anyone can gin up something about war and conflict because on any given day, much of the world is dealing with the same.
I find much of the "prophetic" are things which are put out there at the top of a funnel in such broad manner that when reaching the bottom of the funnel, some event has happened which qualifies the "word". Akin to a palm reader who accurately reads the facial reactions of her victim to further along a broad narrative.
Anyone can prophesy a hurricane during the season in which they churn, or a tornado hitting tornado alley. There ya' go.
I think that is about eight. Soothsayer: "Beware the Ides of March" is one thing. "Ceasar, Brutus and the Senate will kill you in a few days" is another.
I am prophesying that before dinner, I will raid that chocolate stash in my lingerie drawer. Oh wait a minute! I am talking about me!
If you say or even imply that God is speaking through you and he isn't, you are INDEED a false, wicked, prophet according to what the true prophet Moses wrote.
That doesn't make me harsh, it makes Moses and the one who guided him harsh.
cjk, I am on board with you. The Bible is clear and objective on this matter. Clement and those like him would have been stoned to death in ancient Israel.
Prince, your prophecy is at least as good as anything ever uttered by Mohammed. He said he would return to Mecca. Of course, that is no evidence of prophethood because he was in control of that. Mohammed, did correctly prophesy that he was a false prophet. See Quran 69:44-46 for Mohammed saying what would happen to him if he were a false prophet and Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 describing his death as consistent with what would happen to him if he were a false prophet.
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