Muslim leaders in Merseyside have promised that extremists will be "hounded out" of their community.
Elders spoke out on Wednesday after it emerged that two of the men being held after the failed UK car bombings are cousins with links to the North West.
Dr Sabeel Ahmed, 26, lived in Liverpool and worked at Halton Hospital, Runcorn, with 27-year-old Mohammed Haneef.
On Wednesday, Mohammad Akbar Ali, a Liverpool Muslim elder, joined police in speaking out against extremism.
"If anyone has any ideas that perhaps they will find some sanctuary or some place to hide after engaging in such activities or entertaining such ideas then he is absolutely wrong," he said.
"We have no place in our hearts or in our mosques or in our areas for such people.
"Let them be warned that they will be hounded out of these areas."
Mr Ali urged older members of the Muslim community to set an example to younger people.
"Some of them are perhaps misguided, and some of them have been thoroughly brainwashed in one way or another," he said.
Mr Ali said one solution was to establish counselling centres where elders could take in any young people with "very misguided ideas about Islam".
Wednesday, July 04, 2007
Muslim leaders to "hound out extremists"
Brilliant news, just the sort of thing that would have been nicer had it been said years ago. Still, the tide is turning, at last, it seems within the 'Muslim community', so to speak.
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"Misguided"?! Nothing but the same old stale lie to placate the infidels and buy time. You know, this is just the good-cop part of the allahuakhbars' good cop-bad cop routine. In the end, they're all working towards the Islamic takeover of the UK.
Jonz,
Sorry to say, but I don't think the tide is turning. I think Muslims are starting to realize they're are in serious trouble.
There's a huge difference between a community who behaves itself because it is afraid, and another which behaves itself because it actually wants to contribute to society.
I've learned not to believe every kind words. There haven't been enough of them.
Hmm. Well to be honest I'm not really bothered if it's a case of whether they are doing this out the goodness of their hearts,or because they are afraid if they don't there will be a backlash.
I say the tide is beginning to turn in that some muslim leaders are beginning to realise they *have* toat least denounce these terrorist acts and that they wont support them.
What these actually means in practice? Well, believe me, I hold no illusions!
I do think, however, that it's only fair on those Muslims who are genuinely taking a proactive approach to getting rid of extremists to post this news on this site. Even if it's still very much a rarity, and, at the moment it's still just words.
Jonz,
You said: "I do think, however, that it's only fair on those Muslims who are genuinely taking a proactive approach to getting rid of extremists to post this news on this site. Even if it's still very much a rarity, and, at the moment it's still just words."
I say: Yeah, I agree with you there.
So, I guess you're right.
Haha.
"There aren't any wrong or right answers" ... lol
I just dont want be known as the blogger who ONLY reports bad news on this subject.
If it were an Imam saying he would harbour terrorists, we'd have doom & gloom americans saying "Europe is doomed!" "britain is f*cked" etc etc
They are just words though, and the proof is in the pudding. When Muslim leaders start reporting extremists than I think will all start to be a little less cynical.
We're cynical for a good reason - we've had little evidence to show that the reality is otherwise.
Show me.
When these people are not only hounded out, but PUBLICLY DEFAMED AND DENOUNCED....THEN I will consider the idea that something different is going on.
Don't forget these cretins will slit the neck of a muslim who really isn't one (in their eyes) and when a threat like that is applied towards your wife or kids there is quite an intimidation factor.
The muslim community is therefore compelled to organize it self to get rid of these morons.
No easy task, especially when 30%+ (MINIMUM) sympathize with the goals if not ALWAYS the means.
Hell, they have a long way to go. But I think there is something beginning to happen within in some pockets in this country. If only very slight and feint.
At the same time there's something that's already begun the other end and gaining momentum, and that's Islamic supremacism.
I want to see action, not hear and read words that Muslims are going to do something about the terrorists in their midst.
If course. But I don't remember prominent Muslims even saying such things before. They have historically, either said sod all, or even supported extremism.
It's not like they've been saying for years they are going to hound out the extremists, and haven't done it.
I'm all for cynicism but I haven't one postive word (well bar Pastorius) about the whole thing which is disappointing.
There's no need to paint a bleak picture to those who already know the score. Nobody who contributes here is happy pollyana head in the sky.
Taqiyya takes many forms.
War is deception.
LOL. Fucking hell, I really dont think this is "taqiya".
Najistani do you want all Muslims to be deported?
I think that's where it's headed, Jonz.
It's up to the Muslim community. Are they going to stand up and shake out the nuts within their midst, or are they going to continue to tolerate the situation, as they have been doing since 9/11.
I think the UK Channel 4 TV show "Undercover Mosque" goes a very long way to answering that question.
What say you?
Excellent post Jonz. It is indeed turning.
Quite simply this is one of many things that have come to light and the very worst thing you can do now is associate with people such as on this site who are trying to undermine the voices speaking out against terrorists by thumbing their noses at them. The reason I say this is because they are actively pushing to have all muslims forcibly driven out of the West, what else can they possibly want? There can be no other single reason to dismiss these people. Last year this site and other US sites were arguiing about a lack of MSM coverage - along it comes and you see the response you get? All they do is enjoy indulging in a bit of anti British and anti European sentiment because they firmly believe that anti americanism is rooted in a deep hatred of Americans when it is isnt - it is rooted ia hatred of George Bush. And so what.
They have been moaning on about moderate muslims and at the first site of a good number they decry it as a nothing gesture. Think about that Jonz.
The MOST important challenge to Islam is not through action it is through open debate challenging the literalists and it is happening here in the UK. It will be a long hard slog - but we need to accept that and keep on doing what we are now doing and undermining the islamists with all we have got. Screw this Debbie Downer American bullshit. Its turned from drawing public attention and msm attention to the issue to indulging vainglorious terrorists even when they fail. Its now adding to the problem. This site talks about freedom - during WW2 i half wonder if they would have done the enemies propaganda for them
To quote and add to a comment from another site: Despite 9/11 , despite 7/7, despite demos calling for 'new holocausts', despite the humiliations being heaped upon the non-islamic population of these shores and the desperate wish-fulfillment bleatings of Islamic (pass the sickbag) 'community leaders' about the impending 'backlash', it isnt happening this islamic take over bid, and it isnt going to happen.
No matter if we suffer another few terrorist attacks. Because we as a people arent going to blame all of a certain religious affiliation for the actions of a minority, however tacit the approval of the majority may be for the minority's actions.
That's not what we do, and it shouldnt be what we do.
Americas first sense of an attack on their country was on 9/11 so see it from their perspective (the UK reaction has and always will be different because we and Europe were bombed to shit in WW2 and here in GB by the IRA)
Go and be a white person living in certain areas of London for example, and you'll quickly find that people have a far more virulent enemy than Islam right on their doorsteps. No one is bombing or fighting back against that one either, and its been around a lot longer than radical Islam, it takes more lives and commits far more violence than radical Islam. But we dont say it should be removed wholesale from our shores, because once again it is the actions of a criminal minority causing the violence, not the majority. We saw hell in the 80s here with riots and vicious murders. Our security services werent focused on the islamist extremism because they were too busy worrying about the IRA - Omagh was in the late 90s.
Punish criminals and treat 'communities; with suspicion if we have to - thats common sense. Nobody has 'terrorist', 'rapist' or 'mugger' tattooed on their foreheads after all.
Force an open debate as we are now doing. But we mustnt *punish* collectively unless we reach a point where the 'community' in question is showing almost total unanimity in its support for violence and murder - and we arent anywhere near the state Israel is in yet, nor are we likely to be. This site will never ever get that. You are wasting your time.
Anonymous sounds like just the guy to negotiate Peace In Our Time.
Go to it, Tiger.
No pastorius. The British conservative lady. No surrender!
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