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Against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures,
Shall Not Be Violated

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Thursday, October 11, 2007

Update on one of the 5 worst presidents, and WORST ex prez - 'Bush is a torturer'


Well, it finally happened, now there are two men who as president have made me ashamed to be an American.
Nixon and Carter.

US President George W. Bush's administration tortures detainees in defiance of international law, former US president Jimmy Carter charged Wednesday.

"I don't think it, I know it, certainly," Carter told CNN television when asked if he believed the US administration allowed the use of torture.

Carter rejected Bush's statement last week that the United States does not torture terror suspects.

"That's not an accurate statement, if you use the international norms of torture as has always been honored, certainly in the last 60 years, since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was promulgated," Carter said in the interview.

Then according to J Carter this:
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in order to produce this
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is torture

That is precisely what "international norms of torture" specify. Of course, the P-300 (pioneered in interrogation by the KGB, rather than it's intended use in neurodiagnostics) test, it's stimuli and it's reading are painless.

"But you can make your own definition of human rights and say, 'we don't violate them.' And ... you can make your own definition of torture and say 'we don't violate it,'" said the former Democratic president and Nobel laureate.

Asked if Bush was lying, Carter said: "The president is self-defining what we have done and authorized in the torture of prisoners, yes."

Now of course we all understand that Carter is probably talking about waterboarding, a process which I find uncomfortable to contemplate and one which I personally can't envision doing to another human. PERHAPS UNLESS I was convinced my brother and sister Americans were about to be killed and the individual in front of me was both culpable and could end that threat. PERHAPS. I probably couldn't be ordered to do it and then say I was following orders. Administrative punishment, or punishment for insubordination would be an honor instead of standing before others saying 'I VAS ONLY VOLLOVING ORDERZ'. However, from this end, I have no problems with the men who ordered and carried out the waterboarding of men like KSM or Ramsay Bin Al Shib. After all, while causing great discomfort, no permanent damage is done, nor is the individual in danger, or maimed, or even in pain...you are scared you are going to drown, which is what all your senses are telling you. What is it Mr. Carter thinks was going on on Peleliu, or Guadalcanal, or Anzio, or Arnhem?

J Carter who would rather, apparently see his brothers and sisters taken violently by force, and be ineffectual in rescuing them, and who has problems deterring rabbits has standards too high to be effectual in that job. In any case he sees more danger in George Bush and the men determined to see our civilization survive and prevail than in our enemies.

Perhaps he is just meant for another kind of world. Unfortunately we are all in this one, and that explains his presidency in 'one swell foop'. Imagine what the politburo was thinking as plans were made in 1979 for Afghanistan, or as they contemplated the fate of the Russian Spetznaz troops they had infiltrated into Cuba in violation of their agreements of 1962. They probably never took him seriously.

Well one thing has changed.
Today, our enemies listen to him carefully.

Mr. Carter, your legacy sinks daily, another several feet into the mire at the bottom of Lake Erie. Shut up.

The only discomfort you are causing is that which our enemies' satisfaction causes us. You know, the people trying to kill us.
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