Worshipping the created, not the Creator
I say, Baron (who used to be a regular contributor here at IBA) is speaking for himself.
The best course, in my opinion, is to take a deep breath and say, “I’m a racist. The reason that I’m a racist is that I cherish my own people and prefer the company of my own kind over that of foreigners. I accept my basic racism, and I’m OK with it.”
I, for one, do not "prefer the company of my own kind." I am a white person. My family, the people who gave birth to me, are white Europeans. They live in Europe, in fact, but I do not live with them. I have nothing against them. However, they live very far away and, while I talk to them on the phone quite often, I rarely see them.
My family, my chosen family - the one I married into - is not white. When we have family get-togethers, I am one of the overy few white people present. I do not think that this is a model for others to live by, and I don't mind if others choose not to live like me. However, I will not allow people like Baron Bodissey to define normal.
He is a retrograde human being.
Living by tribal instincts is reactionary. In fact, I would call it animalistic in that it is, as I said, an instinct. It is, at bottom, a Pagan life, the worship of the created above the Creator. Baron Bodissey and people like him, are not of the Western tradition. They are a throwback to an older time when men defined themselves as being a part of a tribe, a clan, a race. Their tradition is that of racialism. Their tradition believes that culture springs out of race, as wheat grows out of the Earth. Their worldview is basically the worship of Gaia, Mother Earth
It is the choosing of physical standards before spiritual principles.
We are not animals. If you are a Jew or a Christian, in fact, you believe that we are born to sit with God above the angelic host. We attain such a seat by choosing to follow God, and by choosing to follow God, we become One in the Blood of Christ. Instead, of being separate tribes, we become One people of God.
Dutch legislator Geert Wilders, producer of the movieFitna exposing the Koran's incitement to violence, announced that a "Facing Jihad Conference" will take place in Jerusalem in December. "We are organizing this event in Israel to emphasize the fact that we are all in the same boat together," he said in a speech in New York.
Wilders' 15-minute film earlier this year set off violent protests in Muslim countries because of the description of the Muslim prophet Mohammed as a murderer. He is teaming up with Knesset Member Prof. Aryeh Eldad (National Union) for the Jerusalemconvention, where he vowed "no racist organizations will be allowed."
Wilders said the conference will mark the beginning of an Alliance of European Patriots that "will serve as the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and Islamization." His speech was sponsored by the prestigious Hudson Institute, which has stated his current programs are aimed at "developing programs of political and economic reform to transform the Muslim world."
He said that "Israel is our first line of defense [but] the war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been noIsrael, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming."
Wilders warned that the Islamization of Europe leaves the United States as "the last man standing." The Dutch legislator presented statistics showing that the new European reality is one of a burgeoning Muslim population [in] ghettos controlled by religious fanatics…, and they are the building blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe… Clearly, the signal is: we rule."
The history of the Holocaust cannot be taught in many French cities because of Muslim sensitivity, Wilders stated.
He views the Muslim religion as a base for extremism. "The Koran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism," he said in his speech at the Four Seasons Hotel.
"Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a hereafter, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology…. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies… Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world' and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Koran."
90 comments:
I read this differently. I read Baron as not fearing the inevitable label of racist hoisted on all counter-jihadists. Islam is not a race, but the opposition fights all logic as if it were.
In that context, be they Chechen, Bosnian, Somalian, Persian, Malay, or Arabian - or any ethnicity of devout muslim, I am and will remain firmly entrenched against their jihad, against their sharia till my dying day. I surrender my inheritance to the liberties bestowed upon this country to no one. NO ONE.
Anyone who believes all men and women are created equal and are entitled to benefit from the universal declaration of human rights and liberties is ok with me. Deviate from the universal declaration of human rights and you immediately become my enemy. If that makes me racist - so be it. I don't give two flying farts what anyone else thinks about my survival instinct and that of like minded individuals. This is not about skin color or language barriers. This is about a doctrine that is hell bent of destroying all that obstructs their ascendance to global dominance. Islam divides to conquer. This is not one division I will encourage.
HRW
Hi HRW,
If Baron means what you believe he means then why does he need to say that he prefers the company of his own kind"?
All one needs to do to fight back against those who would call us racists is to point out that Islam is not a race.
No one NEEDS to go this extra mile that Baron is so anxious to go, declaring that one is, after all, a racist.
That is a useless step. It means nothing, unless it means that he is, indeed, a racist.
I interpret 'own kind' to be Non-believers, Kafirs, Infidels, Assimilated/assimilating 'legal' immigrants, etc.
Have you seen otherwise?
HRW
Accepting the identity 'racist' is no worse than accepting the identity 'kafir' or 'infidel'.
Perhaps it's because our elected leaders refuse to acknowledge a war openly declared upon us that identifying terminolgy is automatically surrendered to the enemy.
HRW
With all due respect, in an attempt to cut the man slack, you're reading a whole body of interpretation into the mans text.
That's your choice.
Once again, all he needs to say is "Islam is not a race.'
His statement, that he prefers the company of his own kind, is uesless. It contributes nothing to the counter-Jihad.
I understand your point, though. It's a good one.
But, I don't agree. Baron does not need to do what he is doing. Just so you understand, Baron said he thought we needed a big tent. And, in order to make his tent bigger, he was willing to include European Ethnic Nationalists who were calling for a "White Britain."
Yes, he can include those who want a white Britain, but he can't include those who oppose make a clear decision to oppose racism.
Quite a surreal big tent he has there.
Are you familiar with the history of this dissension? Understand that people who object to the inclusion of racists have been ousted from the movement as far as the Baron is concerned. But those who are racists are allowed.
But then, maybe you don't think it is racist to call for a white Britain.
Maybe we ought to all live on our own reservations.
I truly dislike Ethnic Nationalism, whether it is British, Native Ameircan, or whatever.
I very much agree with what you wrote. Except for the religious part of course, because I'm not into that.
Did you notice that in one of the comments, Fjordman actually says that fascism ain't all that bad, because it is 'reversible'?
Let him tell that to the millions who perished during WW2. What a tool.
Kim,
Sorry about the religious stuff, but I want to be clear about the origins of racialism. Baron loves to portray himself as a champion of the Western Tradition, but more and more he is showing himself to be pre-medieval.
I did not read the comment from Fjordman. Thanks for bringing it up.
Fjordman and many others at GOV have made such comments in the past.
Because of the attitude, I stopped reading the blog and their comments quite a while back.
When they call for such government, or the tolerance of such government, they put my families life of the line.
I've pointed this out to Baron (he and I used to be friendly) on more than one occasion. I have never received any response. He just ignores the point.
I guess that's because he doesn't care.
Quoting Baron in his post:
Everything I’m saying here is clearly racist, but it also happens to be true, which is one of the basic problems that we encounter when discussing this topic. What we say here and what the White Supremacists and Nazis say actually overlap.
IMO, statements such as the above and the one cited in this post (Fjordman's comment cited above by Kim is even worse!) could take down the entire counter-jihad movement.
Let's turn back the clock to the 1950s and the 1960s here in the United States. The conservative movement teamed up with white supremacists. What happened? The conservative movement was sidelined for nearly two decades. I watched it happen, and even though I was a young child, I understood some of what was going on because my parents were staunch conservatives. My parents found that they just couldn't side with white supremacists (even though, by today's definition of "racist," my parents could have been so classified -- the product of their times).
It took Ronald Reagan to bring back the conservative movement. He couldn't be tarnished with the brush of racism, not as far as I know.
I am appalled at this turn which the counter-jihad has taken. It will get tossed back into all our faces, no matter our own individual position.
As to Baron's intentions in his post, his words will be quoted to damage all of us counter-jihadists.
I feel like quitting. But I won't. To quit means to leave the counter-jihad to racists. Furthermore, I will not accept the label "racist" under any circumstances.
One more thing...I DO understand political expediency. I'm not a wearer of rose-colored glasses. I'm a realist.
But should the American counter-jihad side with David Duke, I'm going to have an apoplectic fit!
PS: I have an appointment in less than an hour. But I'll come back to this thread when I can.
Pastorius highlighted the line "No racist organizations will be allowed". Apparently 30 European parliamentarians from Belgium, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK will be attending this conference in December.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3647
My question is when the Sweden Democrats and Vlaams Belang are confirmed as two of the invited parties, will you denounce the entire conference as racist? If not you may lose your posting privileges at LGF.
"But then, maybe you don't think it is racist to call for a white Britain."
Demand for political correctness and multiculturalism without equal demand for reciprocation disarms entire generations both morally and physically.
Civilization, as we know it, hangs in the balance due to this reprehensible gross miscalculation.
As a first generation American permanently denied the pleasure of meeting a single blood relative due to mass exterminations of entire communities during and after WWII on the European continent, let me assure you that I have no illusions of the dual threat about to explode on the European continent.
People tend to use "racist" in the same manner generations of their forefathers used "heretic". "Race" must be rendered irrelevant to this struggle.
Insist on uniform application of the law as well as liberties. Those laws apply to/against skinheads, white supremacists, nazis and yes, David Duke just as they apply to the vile devout hooligan masses of islam.
British law and American law are not race based and have every right to maintain a heritage based on each's own legal 'national' non-racial foundations. Confounding race with nationalism is a suicidal and unwarranted divisive misdirection. Muhammadans must be greasing their sabers and chuckling with sinister intent watching the gullible swallow such lingua twaddle.
Is it naive to hold that equal rights and equal application of the law addresses this? The poisonous thorn, in my view, is the misconception of accepting Islam as a simple religion. Address that by excluding the doctrine because of it's political component and a lot of the peripheral issues fall under existing law.
Apologies for rambling.
Jeppo,
Your question is good.
Here's what I wrote last night on LGF:
This leaves me with a few questions:
1) Who does Wilders mean by "racist organizations"? (Hopefully, he means the same people I mean, when I use that term)
2) If he includes the Vlaams Belang among the group of racist organizations, will he be considered persona non grata (as I now am)
So, I'll answer your question, will you answer mine?
My answer to your question is, "Yes, if Geert Wilders approves of Vlaams Belang, then I will consider him to be a man who is willing to tolerate Ethnic Nationalists in his movement, and thus a blight on the counter-Jihad.
Now, what is your answer to my question. If Wilders rejects the Vlaams Belang, then will that mean you and your friends will ostracize him?
My guess is your answer is no, because much of what you and your buddies do seems to be the result of a desire for expediency which, if I am right, speaks volumes about your morality.
I don't know enough to understand the Swedish Democrats.
I have been anti-Vlaams Belang for many, many years.
I get lumped in with Charles Johnson and the LGF crowd on this subject, but I don't think that is accurate. If one reads what I write on a consistent basis, one would know that I haven't thrown the words fascist or racist around as other people have. Instead, I discuss the question of Ethnic Nationalism and how it is a precursor to almost inevitable fascist law. Ethnic Nationalism leads to fascist racial initiatives in the same way as Communism leads to fascist economic and political sanctions.
I have never had anyone from your side actually address any of the issues I have brought up.
Baron was a contributor here at this site, and I did not sever the relationship. After he came out in support of the Vlaams Belang, I continued to have him as a contributor, and I simply responded to his writings with writings of my own.
I had no intention of discontinuing the relationship. Instead, I planned on allowing Baron and any other IBA contributor to continue writing whatever they wanted to write on the subject.
But, they all quit. They quit, not me.
And, none of them ever addressed the questions I raised.
Anonymous,
You say: Demand for political correctness and multiculturalism without equal demand for reciprocation disarms entire generations both morally and physically.
I say: I don't see the call for a 'White Britain' as a legitimate response to political correctness.
The legitimate response to political correctness is to refuse to live according to its dictates. That does not mean that we need to have a White Britain. Instead, it means that anyone who wants to live in British society ought to live by British law.
What does it mean to have a White Britain? How does one enforce the continuation of a white Britain when there are already so many immigrants? And, how do we enforce a white Britain when white people in Britain are breeding at less than replacement rate, while people of color in Britain are breeding at levels far exceeding the replacement rate?
Anonymous,
By the way, I take it you are HRW.
You say: Civilization, as we know it, hangs in the balance due to this reprehensible gross miscalculation.
I say: yes, you are absolutely right, and I think the problems can be addressed by a strict adherence to already established law.
Sharia is clearly seditious. So, put those who advocate for Sharia in jail. And then, acknowledge the truth that anyone who complains is also advocating for sedition. And put them in jail as well. And then, anyone who complains, put them in jail as well.
Actually, throw them all out of the country. That would also be reasonble. Send them to a Sharia-state, if they want to advocate for Sharia.
That is reasonable to me.
But, there is no reason to tie any of this to race.
And, by the way, this is what I have been saying since the beginning of this discussion.
Anonymous (whom I believe to be HRW),
YOu said: As a first generation American permanently denied the pleasure of meeting a single blood relative due to mass exterminations of entire communities during and after WWII on the European continent, let me assure you that I have no illusions of the dual threat about to explode on the European continent.
I say: Yes, that is something I think we all ought to keep in mind.
You say: People tend to use "racist" in the same manner generations of their forefathers used "heretic". "Race" must be rendered irrelevant to this struggle.
I say: If you want to render race irrelevant to the discussion you must at the same time recognize that it is relevant to the discussion for many people who do, indeed, advocate for the Vlaams Belang and the BNP. A call for a white Britain is a call for racialism. Right?
As well, since you are a reader of Gates of Vienna, you ought to know that Conservative Swede, who is apparently a good buddy of Baron Bodissey, has in the past advocated for law which restricts the numbers of Jews and Catholics who can hold high positions in government.
How does that make you feel?
How is it that Baron and Dymphna feel so comfortable with that man?
Remember, Baron and Dymphna do not like me, but they do like Conservative Swede.
And, keep in mind, I and the other bloggers here at IBA who have opposed Baron and Dymphna and the other bloggers who are advocating for the VB, are all persona non grata in the counter-Jihad movement, but people like Conservative Swede and others who advocate for racialism, and sometimes outright racism, are all accepted memebers of the movement.
We have paid a heavy price for our writings here. And no, we have not called anyone fascists.
I'm guessing you simply are not aware of all the things that have happened and that have been written. I can't expect you to know the whole history of this schism between IBA, GOV, Atlas, and everyone else.
And, let me say one more thing. I think it is a mistake to conflate IBA with LGF. Charles Johnson would not agree with my idea of deporting all those who advocate for Sharia. And he certainly would not approve of my idea that anyone who protests against the deportation of Sharia-advocates are also, themselves, Sharia-advocates.
I'm guessing Charles Johnson would consider me a fascist for writing that. I don't say this to pick a fight with Charles. I only say it because I am tired of being lumped in with the LGF pov on this subject.
I have written against VB since I started blogging and I have my own personal reasons for opposing them. Remember, I have friends and family in Europe. Unlike many people, I was actually familiar with the Vlaams Belang/Blok before this whole thing erupted.
Pastorius, you are quite right to link the racism of Bodissey and his ilk to Gaia worship. It is sinister, and there is more than a whiff of "Blut und Boden" Nazism about the Gates of Vienna site's recent forays into theories of Indo-European supremacy (the Proto-Indo-Europeans, or Aryans as they used to be termed up until about fifty years ago, as originators of the wheel and thus higher civilisation etc.). They claim to be defending "Judaeo-Christian" civilisation, but the cult of the Proto-Indo-European nicely excludes the Semitic from the equation. Ironically, migration of African, Arab, Asian etc. Christians to Europe would in fact save Judaeo-Christian culture from its current precipitous descent into destructive godlessness, rather than the crypto-Nazi ideology of racial purity advocated by Bodissey's Blut und Boden brigade.
Trophonius,
I agree. Many people would find what you say preposterous, but the truth is, Christianity is already experiencing a revival in the UK because of African immigrants who are importing their own breed of African Protestantism which they learned from American Missionaries.
Dennis Prager has talked about this phenomenon numerous times on his radio show.
I'm glad you agree with me on the connection between Gaia-worship and racialism. This is one of the subjects I have addressed over the past year, for which I have received no response from Baron, Dymphna, or Pamela Geller (who also used to be a contributor here at IBA).
In fact, I have never received any response from any commenters on this subject, except from those who simply tell me I'm an idiot.
I love that method of argumentation.
Trophonius,
Since you are from Romania, I have to ask, how do you like our blog masthead?
;-)
Geert Wilders will not invite/condone Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats! Like Pim Fortuyn before him he's always drawn a very clear line between the classic liberalism he stands for and those neonazi groups. American conservatives who think they can lump them all together are clueless about European politics.
Peter,
I think you are right.
Wouldn't you love to hear Jeppo answer my question?
Pastorius, yes, I like the masthead. Is that Țepeș?
Yes, it is.
Pastorius asked "If Wilders rejects the Vlaams Belang, then will that mean that you and your friends will ostracize him?"
I can only speak for myself of course, but the answer is no. Opposing the VB is a legitimate opinion, one that I don't share, but legitimate nonetheless. I respect those who have different opinions than mine, but it would be nice to get a little reciprocity in this matter (I'm thinking of CJ here, not you).
I don't really see how this has anything to do with either expediency or morality. Wilders and Eldad are leading the fight against the Islamization of Europe, and I will support their Alliance of European Patriots conference 100% whether the VB, SD, or any other political party is invited or not.
You have indicated that you will not support them if the VB is invited. Fair enough, but I hope that your side will not try to sabotage the entire effort, as you did last year with the Counterjihad Brussels conference. Wilders and Eldad have enough leftist and Islamist enemies without anti-jihadist "conservatives" piling on.
BTW, is the picture on your masthead from the movie "Bram Stoker's Dracula"? I also support Dracula's fight against Islamization, though we disagree about the whole blood-drinking thing ;)
Far from being a vampire, Vlad Țepeș was a devout Christian who founded many churches and monasteries in Wallachia, a number of which still exist today. He very well understood that appeasement or compromise is suicidal when dealing with the Mahommedans. Nailing the Sultan's emissaries' turbans to their heads, for example, was the only kind of diplomacy the Turks genuinely respected. In any case, he adopted the practice of impalement from the Turks. Again, the Forest of the Impaled was the only language that those who would Islamise Wallachia truly understood.
I´m out of the loop.
If things get tough like they got tough in former centuries - will «schisms» matter?
In 1462 in a series of battles along the Danube river, Vlad’s forces were joined by female conscripts, who fought the adversaries with a ferocity. In one of these battles, the Sultan himself barely escaped capture when a Walachian party led by a contingent of lady warriors raided his camp in the Carpathinian mountains.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/History_of_Jihad
Jeppo and Trophonius,
Yes, that image is from Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Vlad Tepes knew how to beat the Muslims because he was raised in Turkey, so he understood them.
Nailing turbans to the heads of Jihadis sounds like a good idea to me.
Additioanlly, I believe we ought to consider ideas such as "the Forest of the Impaled" because as Trophonius says, it is the language they understand.
Islam is a very superstitious religion. Something about the Impalement really spooked the Muslims. When the next invading army came upon the scene of tens of thousands of Impaled Muslims, the whole army turned and fled.
That sounds like a good clean way to win.
Impalement can be done to both alive and dead bodies. I don't condone torture, so I say, kill them in battle, impale them on stakes, and put them on artful display for their brothers to see.
If this war proceeds to the level of real battle, as I expect it will, this seems like a much more sane choice than using nukes.
Muslims still live in pre-Medieval times in their minds. If pre-Medieval methods will stop them, then let's use such methods.
Jeppo,
Our side did not try to sabotage the Counter-Jihad Brussels. Instead, we found out what went on after the fact, and commented that we didn't think such alliances were a good idea.
How is that an effort to sabotage the effort.
That being said, I will continue to speak my mind about the Vlaams Belang. I think Filip DeWinter is likely a racist. His friendship with Jean Marie LePen (who Fjordman dislikes) makes that pretty clear.
Additionally, the history of the Vlaams Blok makes it pretty clear that the party's history is racist.
Ethnic Nationalism sounds like a good idea in its base form (although I don't agree with it at all), but in order to establish and maintain an Ethnic Nationalist state in the face of an immigrant population which is outbreeding the native population, the native population must enact laws which are fascist in nature. They must limit the breeding of the immigrant population, and they must keep the immigrant population out of positions of power.
Once again, this has been my line of reasoning from the beginning, but Baron, Dymphna, and Pamela have never addressed my concerns.
The best course, in my opinion, is to take a deep breath and say, “I’m a racist. The reason that I’m a racist is that I cherish my own people and prefer the company of my own kind over that of foreigners. I accept my basic racism, and I’m OK with it.”
I have heard this shit a million times from MANY people in the last year, literally VERBATIM
and
a million times later
it is still fucking vile
He had the Turkish emissaries' turbans nailed to their heads because they refused to take them off in his presence. They attempted to put him in a position in which he would have been belittled, but they were not allowed to get away with such a slight. We should remember this in the West when the Mohammedans refuse to shake hands with a woman in a position of authority or stand up in court when the judge enters. Such actions are not mere instances of "cultural difference" but rather are calculated to place the enemy in a position of subservient humility; they are a psychological means of asserting dominance.
Anonymous asked, if things get tough, will schisms matter?
I think that is a legitimate question, and I doubt such schisms would matter much in the event of a nuclear warrior or a continent wide war between Muslims and native Europeans.
However, we are not in such a situation, and already Baron and Dymphna are rushing into where angels fear to tread.
And, as I have noted, they reject people like myself, Charles Johnson, and the other bloggers here at IBA, simply because we question the line of reasoning.
Think about it, the tent is big enough for fascists (according to Fjordman), but we are cast out.
Interesting, huh?
Who started this schism?
Since I did not get rid of Baron and Dymphna, but (instead, they quit on me in very public fashion) and Pamela Geller has made it clear to me that she wants nothing to do with me, then I say THEY STARTED IT.
And, simply because I don't think it's a good idea to get mixed up with Ethnic Nationalists.
Frankly, I don't think Pamela thinks clear enough to make the distinction between Nationalism and Ethnic Nationalism. She demonstrated that in a recent comments thread at her site (the thread was about Diana West).
Baron and Dymphna on the other hand, clearly have the intellectual firepower to make mincemeat of me, if they actually had an argument.
But, they have one, so they stay quiet.
Trophonius,
If you ever want to spend some time writing on the Jihad, you are invited to be a contributor here.
Pastorius
I am trying to remember where that :"we are all racists now" thing is from originally
One of the "nationalist" groups uses it as indoctrination or a chant ... I know it, but it's been a year since I was researching this
I have to look at my old links and also the books I have here
I'll remember it though... I will
"if they actually had an argument. "
Also - ya LOL
as they said dick about me too, all they could come at me with was I am "disabled" and I say Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate all the time
LOL
ooo
Pastorius, thank you for the invitation, which it will be an honour for me to take you up on.
Babba,
I love that you are disabled. You are Spleenedicapped, right?
For God's sake, who can trust your judgment?
A slpeen-deprived person can not be expected to be in their right mind, what with all the time you sit bitterly cursing all those of us who do have spleens.
LOL
LOL
Not only spleenless, but sans 55% of the pancreas, a couple few yards of intestine and the female internals as well
Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate!
I'm gonna go looking for the "I am a racist" creed now
It is almost a direct lift, what he said - I recognized it immediately I just cant pinpoint it
This will take a while I havent looked at this crap in ages
Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate!
BWAK!
when I find it I will return
Pastorius,
I didn't mean to infer that you personally tried to sabotage the Counterjihad Brussels conference. But Charles Johnson certainly did. He has spent the last year viciously attacking the attendees and other prominent anti-Islamists such as Baron, Dymphna, Fjordman, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, Richard Miniter, Lawrence Auster, Andrew Bostom, etc. He's attacked virtually every prominent European politician (including Wilders for wanting to ban the Koran) opposed to the Islamic takeover of that continent. He's banned literally hundreds of LGF commenters (including me) for daring to disagree with him. And regarding the recent Cities against Islamisation protest in Cologne, he actually took the side of the violent leftist Antifa thugs over peaceful anti-Islamist protesters, including old women and kippa-wearing Jews who were beaten up on the streets. Johnson has gone from being an unreliable ally of counterjihadists to being an out-and-out enemy of our cause.
The VB are absolutely not ethnic nationalists. Among their elected councillors and party officials are many non-Flemish Europeans, non-whites and even Muslims. I pointed this out time and time again at LGF and was for the most part ignored. An actual example of an ethnic nationalist political party would be the whites-only BNP, not the VB.
As for your idea of impalement for dead jihadists, it certainly sounds like an effective way to terrorize the terrorists. It reminds me of an episode in 19th century India under the British Raj. A jihadist insurrection began that the British found they could not crush. Neither torture, nor summary executions, nor collective punishment could quell the rebellion, until someone came up with the brilliant idea of burying executed jihadists in pigskins. This would apparently prevent the martyrs from entering Paradise. After adopting this tactic, needless to say the jihadist rebellion quietly came to an end.
The VB are absolutely not ethnic nationalists
~ JEPPO!!!!
OMG Jeppo, long time!
You are STILL trying to convince lucid people of this?
LOL
Not gonna happen - Charles Johnsons' foibles not withstanding and entirely irrelevant
Hi Babba, I'm glad to see to see your scathing denunciations of the Gramscian whores continue unabated :) No doubt your musical tastes remain as excellent as ever, cause nobody brings da funk like Babba Zee.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the VB, but I'm sure we can find someone who we both share a mutual contempt for. CJ perhaps?
Hi Jeppo,
I don't recall Charles supporting the leftist thugs who beat the counter-Jihadis in Cologne.
I might have missed something, but it seemed to me he simply expressed his disdain for the fact that members of VB, Front National, and the BNP were invited to speak at the Conference.
Note that Charles Johnson does not attack Geert Wilders for anything other than the idea of banning the Koran.
While I am happy that Wilders is willing to withstand the hatred that his positions bring with them, I don't really agree with the idea of banning the Koran either.
Instead, I think we should ban Sharia law as sedition and imprison or deport all its advocates.
It's an American idea, of course, that we do not ban thought, but only ban certain actions. Advocating Sharia law is clearly advocating sedition.
That being said, Charles has banned people for things I would never even argue with them over. I don't really understand his reasoning, and so I don't really want to defend him. But, as I said, I do not remember him siding with the leftie idiots in Cologne.
Am I wrong?
As for the Vlaams Belang not being Ethnic Nationalist, I don't understand why you say that. The VB's main issue is Flemish secession. That is an Ethnic Nationalist issue.
From the Vlaams Belang Manifesto:
Vlaams Belang is a party of Flemish patriots. (In the Anglosaxon semantic context, "Flemish nationalism" in the continental-European semantic context). It is an instrument for the advancement of the national and cultural identity of Flanders. Through its political initiatives the Vlaams Belang aims to ensure that the organisation and government of the state are (co-)determined by the need to preserve the cultural identity and the national interests of the Flemish people.
1. Flemish Independence
The Vlaams Belang strives for the secession of Flanders from the artificial Belgian state. Our aim is to dissolve Belgium and establish an independent Flemish state.
http://www.vlaamsbelangeuropa.eu/en/
Jeppo, LOL
Same way I didn't trash Pamela and others who found they no longer needed / liked me in public I won't trash him in public either. I am strictly a no gossip entity - my blog has one rule only : OYMERTA
LOL
my personal code of Sicilian-Jewish silence on matters pertaining to personal disputes or blog wars. I hate that crap.
CJ himself was told precisely what I think.... in private.
Naturally, I was soon banned
LOL!!!
So now we REALLY have something in common.
but you & I always got along well anyway I thought - and the dingbats hated us both equally LOL
I want to get a small "Banned 2008" embroidered patch for my LGF biker colors vest (only a few of us have that... oh the golden olden days lol)
Know where I can get one?
This "I am a racist thing" is driving me nuts
Jeppo do you know what I am thinking of - some group outthere uses that as a chant / mantra reprogramming tool
Ask the Waloons
I concur with Babba. I don't want to get into bashing Charles. I like his blog, actually. I read it everyday and I comment there frequently.
That being said, I have tired of being lumped in with him on the anti-VB issue.
While I think he and I have similar views, I have made a concerted effort to state exactly what is wrong with Ethnic Nationalism as a political philosophy, rather than simply being critical of individuals within the Vlaams Belang, Front National, etc., because of their history, statements, or associations.
That being said, I do not disagree with Charles on the loathsome quality of those historical facts or individual statements. The Vlaams Blok (the party out of which Vlaams Belang was born) had a history of extremist views and individuals.
Additionally, the associations between parties like the BNP, VB, Front National, and even the American Nazi Party (or whatever the hell David Duke's party is called) are enough to warn me off.
The simple fact that Filip DeWinter displays a photograph of himself with Jean Marie LePen on his bookshelf in the room where he spends time with his children tells me all I need to know about DeWinter.
I mean really....
Never mind Ethnic Nationalist.
It aint even good enough for you to be a white european for the VB as they are so freaked out as to be Linguistic Nationalists to boot
LOL!
/ask the waloons
ya
I just like saying waloon
ha
WALLLLLLOOOOOOOOOONN!
BTW
For anyone who missed it last year here are my posts on the subject, there are buttloads of hours of research in these:
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/linked%20at%20LGF
scroll up from the bottom for correct date order
A commenter at Gates of Vienna posted a quote by Charles from an LGF thread where he justified his opposition to Cities against Islamisation by citing the thousands of counter-protesters in Cologne, basically saying "See, they agree with me". Frankly, I'm just too lazy to look it up right now. But it's all too indicative of his willingness to align with the radical left against anyone to his right.
Babba brings up a good point by identifying the VB's true enemies, the dreaded Walloooooooons. It reminds me of the situation here in Canada with the nationalist secessionist Parti Quebecois. The PQ, unlike the VB, are leftists and Muslim-cuddlers. They are unabashed apologists for the French-speaking Haitians who have turned parts of Montreal into a war zone, but absolutely detest the mainly law-abiding Anglos. And unlike the VB, they are definitely no friends of the Jews or Israel. I guess what the two parties have in common is that they're both linguistic nationalists.
As for CJ, I don't expect you guys to join me in bashing him. In fact from now on I'm going to take Babba's advice and adhere to a strict policy of Omerta vis-a-vis LGF.
you are a class act Jeppo
See ya all later
It sounds like Baron & friends have decided to react to the universal, autocratic tribalism of Islam with...a faux neo-tribalism of their own invention. As I view tribalist sentiments as a hindrance to those who hold them, I find them sad figures. But there is also irony here, because even on its own terms, some sort of exclusive "white" tribalism does not stand a chance not only against the theocratic universal tribalism of Islam, but against the humanist/atheist universal tribalism that is Socialism.
Ethnic Nationalism doesn't really reject either one; in fact it accepts the logic of both ideologies on its own terms and seeks to defeat them by building a Team of their own. The result is rather pathetic, like a teenager who thinks the key to dealing with the dictates of Daddy (Islam) and Mommy (Socialism) is to convince his little brother to join forces with him so they can, like, build a fort in the backyard.
Jeppo,
Oh, I do hope the VB are only Linguistic Nationalists. That would make it all easier.
:)
Then we could all stop arguing.
Oh, and by the way Jeppo, I agree with Babba, you do seem like a class act.
:)
Jeez, I spend a day outside and now look !
SSDD.
Who cares about LGF?
There is only one issue...what is it that people imagine will be the effect here in America of people like the Baron IF we are successful in minor ways and acquaint the avg American person with what the Quran requires, and what TOO MANY Muslims are willing to do in that behalf, and what too many others will be sympathetic to when they do it?
What is it that Americans will think of this movement when CAIR points to people like the Baron, and shouts....'RACIST ISLAMOPHOBIA..how can you listen to these goons of the right?'
Everyone want to wear a 50 lb weight to swim with?
LGF doesn't enter into this at all, except that CJ pointed out the original difficulties which are far more obvious when one listens to the Shire Network News interview with Dewinter. (podcast implodes)
I have no idea if the Baron meant to say 'we might as well say we are racists since that's how we are painted', or 'hey, racism ain't a bad as y'all think, you outside agitators'.
In fact, it's irrelevant. Look, VB can do with Flanders whatever the hell they want. They can even switch to Afrikaans for all I care. The issue is WHAT WE DO.
This tiny, nearly fringe movement of resistance to Sharia cannot be killed via association with ethnic nationalism before we even get a sentence out of our mouths - in the American mind. You all know what it's like to have a conversation about these things with the uninitiated
Maybe one day we will get a chance to find out that Dewinter will welcome the 'others' who reject the deen and want individual rights, but in the meantime, JUST BECAUSE they oppose Islam, or JUST BECAUSE they have their reasons to support Israel, is scant reason to shortcut our own values and the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE of our eyes and ears, and let ANYONE think we ACCEPT "WHITE EUROPE" as a valid reason to fight sharia.
It's a reason for Dewinter.
Not me.
My allies are quite different.
What happens the day I demand of Dewinter that this coming Weds, Yom Kippur be a holiday?
Not Flemish enough? Too outside the culture of Flanders?
Sorry but the rule of skepticism must prevail.
White Europe means one thing.
Resistance to sharia means something else.
And LGF just hasn't got a thing to do with such a judgment.
Teutonically efficient Wagnerian fascism will defeat primitive Medieval Islamic Arabian fatalistic fascism by use of theatrical devices
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS-pJhnEdSA
@ Pastorious
Yes, up to a point, B_U_T . . . :
I think this whole 'racist' = 'David Duke' = 'NAZI!!!' mindset makes our problems and failures far far worse.
For example, suppose I said, 'I love the French of Brittany,' (as I do) then I'm pretty sure some neurotic loon would shriek at me 'racist!', simply for noticing who they are racially. Suppose I actually AM a Bretagne and say the same thing, have I fallen into the great sin of 'Racism!' simply because I am of the Northern French Race?
Notice, in these two examples, only pure love is actually occurring, but the neurotic outsiders can only see pure hate in it. OK, I'm guessing about their words but you know their thinking is sooo predictable.
Isn't that always the way with the losers in love? And that's the raw material of the Industry Of Racism !!! Scams.
So, how are we innocents likely to react to this vile slander of our love affairs? Well there are many of us innocents here in Europe, and our neurotics are in power over us – and that largely explains the protest voting of Europe's people.
I'm with you completely in checking out the politicians who want to profit from this wholly innocent protest. Please test them with fire, but please also realise where human love is born.
We're born, and receive true love from our mother. SAME race, always will be. We love her back. SAME race. And meet our Dad. Usually, SAME race. And our relations, SAME race. And the neighbour's children. Usually SAME race. And only then does true love exist in us, which we can extend to non-Shari'a children of another race. And all we've ever seen in our little lives is innocent true love.
I think you know it's true. And if you want to see the epicentre of our hypocritical western racist lies, see Obama vs. Palin in the West's top election. Look underneath that stupid Identity Politics mess, and then you'll know why you might decide to fly beside the Baron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9EmAM9A5-A
...Kamikaze Polish Jew (mainly) fighter pilots saved The Free World by winning the Battle of Britain in their Spitfires, with their decisive 12% of the kills.
Because you, Pastorius, desperately need to hear the many cockpit languages of the own-race-loving, volunteer victors of the Battle of Britain, and their love for each other's race to death, and to see their victory over the eternal anti-YOUR-race Nazi machine. Can you see them there, welcome to fly their victory roll over The Seven Sisters of Kent? Only loving men have such fight energy. 'We', the human race, still can only survive the anti-YOUR-race/religion machine by loving our own races together: 'We' were against Hitler and are therefore against Islam.
Do not use anti-YOUR-race hate like a blunderbuss. Instead, love the races who will fly beside you to tonight's target. Natanz? Ok I'm with you to the death, but ONLY because you didn't slander me as a racist.
Am I a racist?
I don't know, Alan.
I don't think I've called anyone a racist here, have I?
And, what do you mean by anti-YOUR-race hate? Do you mean you think I hate my own race? Or, are you saying I think that anyone who loves his own race must hate other races? I don't believe that.
I guess I don't really understand what your point is.
Thanks for the kind words Babba and Pastorius, and right back at ya. The differences between us are basically minor tactical ones, while I'm sure that we share the same overall strategy: To stop the Islamization of the West.
Bloggers like you are like drill sargeants charged with whipping us grunts (readers) into a lean, mean anti-jihadist fighting machine, to coin an clumsy military metaphor. So thanks for all that you do and please keep up the good work.
The epithet 'racist' (and nazi) is thrown as a neutron bomb to silence opposition. I for one don't care if I'm called racist. I know I'm not. I think (convince me differently) that I want all who will, to help bail out the sinking ship. We'll deal with other issues when we get to land.
Racism is a definite thing and only a definite thing, not what we read into some situation. I have known some people who strongly disliked others because of their skin color etc., but I've never met a true racist. Few people have. The overwhelming majority of people termed as racists are most likely 'only' bigots.
It's one thing to be called a racist. it's another thing entirely to proclaim that one is a racist.
I certainly would not let others define me as such. And, I would not proudly proclaim myself a racist.
Besides, as I have said repeatedly, this fight has nothing to do with race.
Heh.
That's funny. I bet they don't take kindly to that.
Well, as far as I know, it is true that different races of people have different IQ's. That might be why you say that certain races are superior.
If that is true, then Asians are superior to all of us.
However, look at Asian culture. It is relatively devoid of innovation and creativity. I'm sure many would disagree with me. And certainly, Hong Kong, Japan, and South Korea have proven to be technologically innovative, but there is a reason that China steals shit from the US and Europe all the time.
I studied Religion and Philosophy in college. My opinion is that Buddhism and Confucianism are religions which teach the idea of acceptance (in different ways, but ultimately, that is the idea) and that the idea of acceptance does not create an innovative culture.
Christianity, which Europe did not develop (it is a Jewish religion) created the idea of the individual. When the average individual is so important that God died to have a relationship with him and God asks him to talk to him on a constant basis, then that average individual begins to get the idea that he is special.
That's what happened in Western Culture.
That's a great thing. Eveyrone in America walks around thinking they are God's gift to the world, and that they can actually change the course of history.
Protestantism leads directly to America.
This is an awesome culture we have developed here. And, of course, it was born of Europe. But, Europe is born of many different crosscurrents, and of course, the river of europe flows into America and then breaks into many crosscurrents.
We are strong because we borrow ideas from all over the world.
I believe IQ measures a range of intelligence. It's like a light meter which only measures the visible range of light. There are other ranges which are not so easily translatable into language. Those ranges of intelligence lend themselves to music, poetry, kinetic activity and other pursuits.
But, such intelligence is not measurable.
Watch Sean White ride a skateboard and tell me his skateboarding intelligence doesn't blow the doors off of any intelligence you possess. The kid is fucking genius. Riding a skateboard (something I am familiar with) requires a quck mind and the ability to make very small distinctions about physical space.
There are all kinds of intelligence.
However, that being said, the intelligence which produces scientists and philophers is dazzling and certainly lends itself well to creating what we have here.
But, I don't believe we would have all this if we did not walk on the backs of giants of poetry and motion.
"I am racist because I believe that some races (there are only 4 races max) are genetically superior to all others. It's a non-issue."
Yes, while the first part of that is correct, since you believe the second, your hypothesis is inevitably scientifically BUNK.
And the fallout from arguing that thesis will destroy this movement.
I believe that all such ideas come from insecure humans whose inner compulsions create such fear in them, they seek solace in thinking others are genetically inferior.
DNA says it's absolute merde
Sorry, but I've spent too much time in research to buy this utter crap
IQ tests measure ones ability to succeed in THIS framework..it's a measurement of a set of APTITUDES.
If the economy tanks, we'll see who survives. Will IQ be the discerning factor?
This is a ridiculous argument and it's SO ridiculous I hope I can resist coming back to it.
CofCC has no place here.
That is the argument being made
Pastorius -Well, as far as I know, it is true that different races of people have different IQ's. That might be why you say that certain races are superior.
If that is true, then Asians are superior to all of us.
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You're pretty smart. I used the comment to get the black guy to react, then truthfully told him, 'I think blacks are physically superior to whites.' All you have to do is look at the sports teams that blacks totally dominate. They are genetically superior in that respect.
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Epa - they seek solace in thinking others are genetically inferior.
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Where is my solace when I think that I am genetically inferior to blacks?
I don't get into the IQ argument, though I've seen the bell-curve. Some regions of the planet do bear out the bell-curve idea but I don't think it's something to gloat over and certainly no reason to exterminate/subjugate a people.
...your hypothesis is inevitably scientifically BUNK.
Not sure what my bunk hypothesis is.
Normal civilized societies are under attack from an alien culture known as islam. I don't care what someone else thinks about race/racism. If we latch onto who is racist and who is not and this is this and that is that, we are going to lose. I don't care who helps me put out the fire at my house. I don't care who helps me bail water from my sinking boat. I want my superior society to survive. When we focus on the racists among the anti-jihaders and want them destroyed first or at least along with islam, we do two things. We open up a second front for battle - not good. We are worried about a scab on our pinky finger while our legs are being sawed off. That's all I'm saying. Screw the racists. We'll deal w/them after we defeat islam.
I'll address your bunk comment and not make any more comments on racism at IBA.
uccch eugenics now too?
Pastorius,
In fact, I have never received any response from any commenters on this subject, except from those who simply tell me I'm an idiot.
Well, here's a commenter, also labeled an idiot, who supports your stand.
I've also been told that I'm "too stupid to learn."
This schism and this issue do matter. Very much. Furthermore, Baron's proclamation is another thing to overcome.
BUnk = this :
DNA says there is no 'group' which is any different from any other 'group'.
There is no superior 'race', ethnic group, color, creed or any other union of characteristics based in the PHYSICALLY MEASURABLE world.
You want to argue a culture is not what it could be, fine.
DNA rules, and the gene sequence which dictates melanin differences does not give anyone anything which can be termed 'superiority' or 'deficiency'
That's all there is.
That's why DeWinter
BLEW
IT
UTTERLY
And is why btw so many jews in Belgium worried OUT LOUD ..'are we next?', right along with worrying about Islamic antisemitism, Sharia, and what the Quran says
After all, those same guys want amnesty for Nazi collaborators.
It's a mess.
Why connect when the big battle is really to awaken Americans to the threat to their freedom and ultimately their lives?
DNA all one.
SOrry the above link leads to another entry now... here is the relevant quote from the Telegraph:
The Vlaams Belang leader, Filip Dewinter, gained a lot of attention in the run up to the election, with his boasts that the party would gain hefty support from Antwerp's 20,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community - this despite its roots in the extreme right wing Flemish separatist movement, including groups that collaborated with Belgium's Nazi occupiers in the Second World War.
Dewinter has been reaching out to Jewish groups for a while. Last year, he coined the description "Islamophobia" in an interview with an American Jewish magazine, to describe Vlaams Belang's determination "to stop the spread of Islam in Europe".
In concrete terms, the Vlaams Belang has called for strict limits on immigration; limits on the number of mosques in Flanders; rules compelling immigrants to learn to speak Dutch and study Flemish culture, and for curbs on state benefits for jobless immigrants.
I duly took myself to the heart of Jewish Antwerp, around the diamond trading quarter. They were packed with Orthodox residents, strolling home from the synagogue with their families. Some rabbis have backed Vlaams Belang in recent months, and there is no doubt they will land some Jewish votes. But to a man and woman, Jewish residents scorned the idea that Vlaams Belang would win up to a third of their community's votes, as Dewinter claimed last week.
Wearing Orthodox black suits and Homburg hats, or the fur hats and satin gowns of Hasidim, the men were carrying palm fronds, in honour of the feast of Sukkot, celebrated this weekend. That festival meant it was forbidden for Jews to cast their votes, noted Jeremy Sulzbacher, unless they had organised a proxy vote.
Mr Sulzbacher told me firmly: "Vlaams Belang doesn't convince Jewish people. Once they've finished with the Muslims and the North Africans, who will they start on next? They'll start on us, the Jews."
Epa,
I don't know much about genetics, but clearly there is genetic material which dictates skin color, and some skin color is better at dealing with the sun than other skin color.
So, when you say there is
"no superior 'race', ethnic group, color, creed or any other union of characteristics based in the PHYSICALLY MEASURABLE world,"
I guess you mean there is has been no genetic determiner for intelligence found as of now.
Is that what you mean?
But, on the other hand, there is a genetic reason for developmentally disabled people, right? And, that's an intelligence issue.
So, how does it all factor out?
From what I can tell, the difference in the relative intelligence of various races is small enough to fit into the margin of difference which can be accounted for by cultural differences in the emphasis on education. As I understand it, there is evidence that IQ can be increased through study and practice, just like muscles can be grown.
I believe IQ is gentically determined. But, whether there are genetic differences in the IQ-potential of various races of people is something I don't know about.
"RACE"
IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC CLASSIFICATION
"RACE" IS A PHILOSOPHY
GUESS WHO STARTED IT?
BET YA KANT!
HOMINIDS:
I GIVE YOU
THE FATHER OF THE ENWHITENMENT!
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=KANT+RACE&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f
there are no RACES
scientifically speaking
The Intellectual Origins of Race
How Philosophy, Science, Religion and Exploration got Races Classified
http://racism.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_intellectual_origins_of_race
Statements like that lack credibility. Clearly there are racial differences, at least physically speaking.
Jeez.
If you put me together with a white woman, we'll have white children. Put me together with my Asian wife, and we have children with Asian eyes, and dark skin.
I'm not going to pretend the evidence of my sense isn't true.
For God's sake.
pastorius
I also hear tell there is no GOD because there are no evidences of him presented to their senses
LOL
a cat is still a cat no matter what color it is as long
as it is the same BREED of cat the color means nothing
A manx is a manx black or white
A Human is still a Human no matter what color it is unless you want to start trying to say that races delineate different BREEDS of human. They do not.
Human is Human
Cat is Cat
RACE based on your VISUAL PERCEPTION indeed all began as PHILOSOPHY
Google around and read aboutit under keywords in combination of
eugenics, breed, race, philosophy
there are endless things to read on it
RACE is an IDEA based on your sense perception
not an authentic scientifically delineated classification
"Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz, M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001).
Scientific racism denotes the use of scientific, or ostensibly scientific, findings and methods to support or validate racist attitudes and worldviews. It is based on belief in the existence and significance of racial categories, but extends this into a hierarchy between the races to support political or ideological positions of racial supremacy. Scientific racism can refer to both obsolete and contemporary scientific theories, and includes the use of anthropology (notably physical anthropology), anthropometry, craniometry, and other disciplines in the construction of typologies and the classification of humans into distinct biological races.
Scientific racism was most widespread during the New Imperialism period in the second half of the 19th century. These theories often worked in conjunction with racism, for example in the case of "human zoos", in which human beings of various races were presented in cages during colonial exhibitions. Such theories, and associated actions, have been strongly denounced since World War II and the Holocaust, in particular by a 1950 UNESCO statement, signed by an international group of scholars, known as The Race Question.
Today, the phrase is used either as an accusation, or to describe what critics consider to be historical racist propaganda alleging the existence of different races. These critics point to The Race Question, which advocates the use of the more precise term "ethnic group".
The phrase "scientific racism" has been applied retroactively to publications on race as far back as the 18th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
Since racism arises from classifications, it is no surprise that biological racism may have begun with Linnaeus, the pioneer of biological taxonomy. He designated the human races as biological categories: European whites belonged to the category Homo sapiens europaeus while African blacks belonged to Homo sapiens afer. Linnaeus himself added ranking to his classification; he wrote that the former is "ruled by customs," the latter "ruled by caprice" (Gould, 1981, p. 35).
Yet the science of Linnaeus did not only help construct a difference between Africans and Europeans; it also contributed to the unification of the two. Both are included in the single species Homo sapiens, considered by Linnaeus to be immutable, like all species (Stanton, 1960, p. 3). In his theological context, this organization meant that the human species was originally created by God as one, that all humans are descended from Adam and Eve and share the grace of God.
As anthropology became more and more established as a science, racial classifications began to take on a greater degree of scientific authority. Quantitative measures began to be made of the morphology of human skulls. For example, Anders Retzius (1796-1860) perfected the measurement of the ratio of the length and width of the head, or cephalic index, and identified jaw shapes as being either prognathic (jutting forward) or orthogrnathic (sloping back) (Stanton, 1960, p. 25).
http://www.geocities.com/ginkgo100/racism.html
Modern scientific studies argue that race has no real basis in biological systems. Since people are undeniably, and nearly endlessly, different in appearance, scientists have looked towards genetic studies to help them discover the secret to race. Genetic studies have revealed, however, that 90% of human variation occurs within a said “race” and just 10% of human variation occurs between “races” themselves. In other words, people from different “races” are only slightly more different from each other than they are from people in their own “race.” In a stretch attempt, scientists have found genetic ways to place humans into tentative “races” (1). However, most scientists will agree that society’s idea of race based on phenotypic characteristics like skin, hair, and face are almost entirely “bogus.” Genetically, humans are incredibly alike—appearances on the outside are most likely due to purely environmental effects (3).
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/283
Blogger Pastorius said...
Statements like that lack credibility. Clearly there are racial differences, at least physically speaking.
Do I have "credibility" now or you want more links?
RACE is an IDEA
PERIOD
One more for the road and I gotta go
Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that “races” are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488030/race
and a nice logo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eugenics_congress_logo.png
Racists idiots making an argument doesn't have much impact on the way I see the world.
OH one more thing
Obamanable snowjobmn?
How does he appear to your senses?
yet.....the man is, genetic inheritance-ly speaking, AS WHITE as he is BLACK.
I rest my case
Later!
Love yez
Blogger Pastorius said...
Racists idiots making an argument doesn't have much impact on the way I see the world.
Huh?
I am saying that it is racist idiots who claim race is a SCIENTIFIC CLASSIFICATION when in fact
it is philosophy
I gotta go I have a ton of stuff to do
And, scientists have all kinds of bullshit theories.
I'm reading a book which opens with a critique of Behaiorism. Behaviorists had scientific experimentation to support their theories, but their main idea was that human will has nothing to do with human action.
That is lacking in common sense, right? You don't agree with such a stupid idea.
Why do you deny the evidence of your senses that there are racial differences?
Black skin, brown skin, white skin, those are differences.
My wife is Filipino. Many Filipino have a wide flat nose I have never seen on a white person. White people often have pointy straight noses I have never seen on none white people.
God. To have to talk about this stuff is so fucking ridiculous.
I give up. This has degenerated into one of the stupidest threads in the history of IBA.
Have at it on your own.
Pastorius,
Your desire to caution against a positive affinity for one's own -however that may be defined- giving rise to a defacto hatred of others I not only understand, but also condone. But do you really need to call the Baron a "retrograde human?"
A preference, of yours, for your wifes family over your own is natural. And I would hope that you would hesitate to call that family "retro-grade" simply because the other girls didn't bring home Europeans like yourself.
btw
I am still combing through mountains of year old crap trying to find where that "I am a racist" mantra thing rings a bell from
This thread will be long dead when I find it but I'll mail you Pastorius.
Macusgermanis,
I am calling Baron, the writer of the Gates of Vienna blog, a retrograde human being because his worldview hearkens back to pre-Medieval times. I made my case.
Baron, the human being, is very intelligent. When I call him retrograde I do not insult his intelligence, but instead, the relative worth of his worldview.
I believe it is clear that the Western Tradition has proven itself to be superior to pre-Medieval worldviews.
Baron's worldview is NOT of the Western tradition, as it is tied in with tribalism, blood, and soil.
That's my point.
As for you second paragraph: A preference, of yours, for your wifes family over your own is natural. And I would hope that you would hesitate to call that family "retro-grade" simply because the other girls didn't bring home Europeans like yourself.
I say; I'm sorry. I don't understand your point. I guess your point is that, if one of my brothers or sisters-in-law married a Filipino of the old country, I would call them retrograde.
Well, in a sense I would and do. Filipino culture is not as good as American culture. If that weren't true, my wife's family would not be living here.
LOL
It's that simple to me. I'm sure a Phd could make it more complicated and be really nuanced about it, but I'm not going to bother.
Truth is, most of my wife's family worldview is VERY heavily influcenced by American Protestant Missionaries. I call my wife's family Instant Americans. They were American almost from the time they moved into their first apartment in Carson, Ca.
They were raised to be American. My father-in-law is more of an America-lover than I am. His hero is Ronald Reagan and he makes a big deal over the 4th of July, etc.
Hi Babba,
I have to wonder if the title "We're all racists now" might have been from another old GOV post, or perhaps from Fjordman.
It sounds familiar to me as well.
Pastorius,
My concept of Western Tradition does include pre-Medieval world views. It would seem that yours does as well. In fact I think you are arguing that "the dead bury the dead."
In a sense I can even relent that affinity for one's own, which is sometimes surprisingly defined, is regressive. But it is a natural regression that is better critiqued, while adpted to, than pretended against. Wide varieties of people will revert to these ethnic identities. I think it most advisable not to insist that these distinctions are worthless, but rather insist that they be well defined, and limited in their influence. I rather think the cure for internationalism can be nationalism. Provincialism the cure for that, and so on.
Given the choice between international tyrants and "squabling nationalities," I chose the latter of the evils.
Macus,
You're arguing that people be allowed to make the choice.
I agree.
My argument here is with Ethnic Nationalism as a potential form of government. The problem is, when Ethnic Nationalists gain power, they will inevitably use that power to enforce Ethnic Nationalism.
Ergo, no choice for the individual.
As I said in my post,
"My family, my chosen family - the one I married into - is not white. When we have family get-togethers, I am one of the overy few white people present. I do not think that this is a model for others to live by, and I don't mind if others choose not to live like me."
Geert Wilders with Robert Spencer - on being called a racist
Past.,
Ethnic Nationalism is thankfully not a form of government. The English have had Kings, Parliaments, and Lord Protectors, while all the time remaining English. An indigenous population, welcoming of immigrants and adherent of a common law, should have the right to maintain a cultural hegemony. It is not necessary to expel immigrants, in order to stand firm on matters that are of national observance.
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