Saturday, January 24, 2009

And, in the "you've got to be kidding me" file today : Hamas to receive Chinese cruise missiles from Iran

GERTZ:
TEL AVIV -- Israel's military intelligence said the Hamas regime was planning to acquire its first Chinese-origin C-802 cruise missiles from Iran.

The C.802 is a modified version of the C.801.
The assessment envisioned that Iran would send the same models of C-802s received by Hizbullah during the 2006 war with Israel.

"We know that Hamas operatives have been trained to operate this and similar missiles," an Israeli military source said.

Maj. Gen. Yoav Galant, head of the Israel Army's Southern Command has warned that Hamas could acquire missiles that could strike Israel Navy vessels off the Gaza Strip. Galant said Hamas was receiving a range of weapons from Teheran, including those sent to Hizbullah in 2006.

"The longer Israel waits, the more capabilities Hamas will accumulate and develop, allowing Hamas to reduce Israel's relative advantage over the organization," Galant said.

During the 2006 war, Hizbullah fired C-802s that struck the Israel Navy's INS Hanit small corvette. At the time, military sources said the Hanit's missile defense system had not been turned on.

And from the not too wayback machine...it's all to drole -ly familiar.

Better weapons of death for the next round, to ensure not only no peace, but that more palestinians should die inveigled into believing in a holy war on jews, for national reasons of a distant state, with a penchant for policy based on proxies dieing, in THEIR greater religious war. A war dedicated to leaving nothing on the ground where jews are, while the world of Islam reels from hundreds of millions of corpses (martyrs) and disease at the onset of potential nuclear winter. The stated policy of Iranian "MODERATES".

Barry, are you getting all this?

WWFDRD?

WWHSTD?

That should be your criteria set.

6 comments:

Chuck said...

Bottom line, Israel made a huge mistake backing off. They really needed to finish it this time.

Anonymous said...

Why is this a surprise.

For years Israel has been providing the Chinese Communists with US-sponsored weapons technology. Naturally the Chi-Coms will pass that tech onto their allies in Syria and Iran.

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China's Missile Imports and Assistance From Israel

http://www.nti.org/db/china/imisr.htm

China's missile-related imports and assistance from Israel have been a subject of particular concern in the United States because of worries that Israel may be providing China with "back door" access to controlled, sensitive US technology. For example, in the early 1990s, reports surfaced that Israel had secretly transferred information on the US Patriot missile system to China, in violation of Israel's promise to the United States not to transfer the Patriot technology to any third country. ... US government sources concluded that it was almost certain that a transfer of technology had taken place.

...others asserted that Israel's transfer of Patriot technology was intended to encourage China to curtail its sales of ballistic missiles to countries in the Middle East such as Syria and Iran.

... Israel has allegedly supplied China with cruise missile technology, including sensitive US technology. Specifically, Israel is allegedly assisting China with the development of its YF-12A, YJ-62, and YJ-92 cruise missiles.

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Under U.S. pressure, Israel backed out of a deal with China, potentially valued at $1 billion, in July of 2000. Under the deal, Israel would have outfitted three Chinese Il-76 planes with Phalcon radars. The United States believed the deal would tip the strategic balance against Taiwan.
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Israel has assisted China in other areas including the development of the HQ-9/FT-2000, a surface-to-air missile, which would possibly use U.S. seeker technology. It has also assisted China in the area of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV). In July 2002, China deployed Israeli "Harpy" anti-radar drones in military exercises in Fujian Province.

On 2 January 2003, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher stated that Israeli military exports to China were of concern to the United States. ... An Israeli official, electing to remain anonymous, suggested that Israel would continue to sell to China military equipment available on the global arms market. ... China issued a written statement in response to the Israeli announcement. In the statement, it states that, "It is China's consistent position that the development of normal military trade cooperation with Israel is a matter between the two countries."

In 1996, as disclosed in the UN Register of Conventional Arms, China sold over 100 missiles and launchers to Iran, along with a handful of combat aircraft and warships. Even worse, in 1997 the New York Daily News reported that Iraq had deployed Israeli-developed, Chinese PL-8 missiles in the no-fly zones, endangering American pilots.

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Anonymous said...

Note that Israel's enemies have C-801 & C-802s.

This eighth generation of missiles includes the following variants:

YJ-81 (C-801)
YJ-82 (C-802)
YJ-82K (C-802K)
YJ-83 (C-803)
KD-88
YJ-85 (C-805)
Noor: Iranian advanced variant
North Korea is jointly working with PRC to improve accuracy

Israel assisted in the production of the sixth and generation missiles.

Anonymous said...

correction:

...sixth and ninth generation...

Anonymous said...

Last year PRC supplied Iran with 20 single seat J-10A fighters, 4 J-10S twin-seat fighters, 120 SD-10A medium-range self-guided air-to-air missiles and 120 PL-9C short-range air-to-air missiles.

The J-10's defensive capabilities would be formidable, as would its ability to perform all-weather strikes with new precision guided weapons against Israeli or U.S. targets. For Israel a J-10 sale to Iran would mark a sobering betrayal of Israel's considerable efforts to help China's military modernization, to include its substantial help with the J-10 program, and one of its air-to-air missiles, both of which may apparently arm Iran.

The J-10 is a modern 4th generation multi-role air combat and attack fighter. But for China, beyond its desire to strengthen its military relations with Iran, there is perhaps a more direct political imperative: China's desire to further improve its relations with Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards (IRG), or Pasdaran (Guards), which apparently, at least during the early 1990s, controlled many or most of Iran's F-7M fighters.

Since 1979 the IRG has been a parallel military force in Iran directly loyal to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Government. It controls Iran's long-range ballistic missiles and is responsible for exporting Shia Islamic revolution, via the Hezbollah movement which controls much of Lebanon and by aiding Islamic radicals in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even the sale of a small number of J-10s will pose new challenges to Israel and to U.S. forces in that region.

The radar for the J-10 is another "indigenous" Chinese design which has drawn heavily from Russian and possibly, Israeli technology.

For Israeli and U.S. forces that may have to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, the J-10 presents more than a speed-bump. The J-10 can carry two to four SD-10A/PL-12 self-guided air-to-air missiles. The PL-12's self-guidance radar is derived or copied from a Russian Vympel radar similar to that which guided the Vympel R-77. However, the PL-12 uses a "lofted" missile flight profile which allows the PL-12 to achieve a 70km head-on engagement range, compared to 50km for the R-77 against a maneuvering target. Louyang's PL-9C is derived from the Israeli Python-3 air-to-air missile.

China may also sell Iran additional "Chinese" air defense assets like the YJ-91, which Asian sources have told the author combines an Israeli technology anti-radiation seeker with the motor of the Russian Zvezda Kh-31 ramjet powered attack missile. The YJ-91 would prove ideal for attacking AWACS aircraft or AEGIS air defense destroyers that might be supporting a U.S. or Israeli strike packages.

The J-10's offensive potential is also represented by its ability to provide escort for other conventional or future nuclear weapon armed Iranian strike aircraft.

Anonymous said...

Re: "During the 2006 war, Hizbullah fired C-802s that struck the Israel Navy's INS Hanit small corvette."

The ship was "protected" by the Barak anti-missile system.

Shades of things to come?