Once again, dhimmis allow Muslim aggression to be a win-win for them: be a sea-faring pirate and earn lots of booty; get caught and become a citizen of the Netherlands. "Netherlands: Somali pirates thinking of immigrating," from Islam in Europe, May 18:
Arrested Somali pirates who are now in the Netherlands on trial for their deeds say they would like to stay in the Netherlands. "It's a good life here."Nothing like a little flattery to pull dhimmi heartstrings.Suspected pirate Sayid will stand trial on Monday with four of his countrymen in the first Dutch pirate trial. "I want an education during my imprisonment, and I appeal to the government not to send me back to Somalia. The people who live here respect human rights. I want to live here," he told Volkskrant.
Fellow suspect Farah also thinks the Netherlands is good. "My client feels safe here. He eat[s] well, can play football and watch television. He thinks the toilet in his cell is so fantastic," according to his lawyer Willem-Jan Ausma.According to De Volkskrant Ausma explained to his client that he could realistically get four years in prison and that he has a chance for a residence permit. "He's naturally delighted. He hopes to do computer training and to have his family come over."
The lawyer fee[l]s that the trials in the Netherlands, but also in France, the US and Kenya, would encourage potential pirates rather than deter them. "Anything is better than sitting on a wharf in Somalia."
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
Captured Somali pirates may be allowed to become residents of the Netherlands
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Pastorius,
Why are so many western leaders so stupid? Rome would offer citizenship to all the people they conquered, but only after they conquered them, and they agreed to become Roman. Plus I don't think Rome would tolerate the "level of diversity" (as Culturist John would put it) that we do.
Not being a student of Rome, I can't say that I know what Rome would have tolerated within Rome proper. But, the Roman empire was nothing if it was not diverse.
Pastorius,
It was diverse, but I don't think they'd have had much tolerance for these Jihadists.
It was diverse indeed and as long as you paid your taxes, respected accomaditng elements of Roman law abroad, you really had no problem.
They were quite liberatarian when it came to your personal belief system and customs, as long you did not violate or attempt to overthrow the established political order....
In the case of the scumbags, they would not have lasted a day, for even the most sympathetic ear in the Senate would have seen them for what they truly are.
Sounds like the Romans, in their day, were a model for what we ought to be now.
Once again, I don't know much about history. From what I know, the Romans were not very friendly to the Jews. They allowed them to have some autonomy and to rule themselves, to an extent, according to their law, but the Jews felt oppressed, and, as far as I know, they were, indeed, persecuted, often with violent means.
As I understand it, from reading historical novels (not always the best place to get your information, the Romans went on a tear of crucifying Jews.
Is that right, Carlos? Do you know?
Pastorius,
I wouldn't go so far as saying that the Roman's are the Western Ideal. In some ways they were friendly to the Jews. But many of the Jews hated them because they saw them as occupiers, and this hatred was only increased by their sometimes unfair policies regarding taxes. This lead to two Jewish revolts, the suicide at Masada to escape slavery at the hands of victorious Romans and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans.
Also, although there was much to be admired about the Romans and they were very sexist by modern western standards. Not as sexist as our Jihadist enemies, but I don't think that many feminists would enjoy living in ancient Rome. For one thing, they saw a woman's place as being in the home, they were expected to obey their husbands.
Plus there there were some significant exceptions to the Pagan Roman tolerance for different religious practices. The most famous exception to their religious tolerance was the persecuting of Christians for refusing to worship the emperor. But that was not the only exception.
Damien,
Since you seem to know about it, did the Romans become more intolerant as they began to lose their grip on their Empire, or did their increasing intolerance cause them to lose hold on their Empire?
Or, was it a little both?
Pastorius,
Did they become more intolerant as they began to lose their grip on their empire?
Well when it came to religion, when Rome become Christian it did become more intolerant towards other religions, and in some cases other traditions. The new Christian emperors outlawed the old pagan religions, but I'm not sure that was one of the things leading to the fall of Rome. It could have contributed in someway, if it lead to the people who followed the old ways being less inclined to support Rome. Overall, though, I don't think that the fall of Rome had anything to do with Christianity. It had more to do with invading barbarians.
Rome fell for many different Reasons. And there has been a huge debate between historians as to exactly why. Here's some material on the subject.
Fall of Rome - Why Did Rome Fall? Reasons for the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. By N.S. Gill, About.com
The Fall of Rome by Michael Valdivielso
THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE: Some (Sometimes Silly) Explanations by Albert A. Nofi
General Observations on the Fall of the Roman Empire in the West by Edward Gibbon
CHURCH HISTORY: The Fall of Rome,
Early Church History, part 16 by Dr. Jack L. Arnold.
Medieval Europe:
The Fall of Rome by E.L. Skip Knox
By the way, this list is no way extensive, and there are probably sources that are superior to these. I just found these by doing a quick Google search.
Pastorius,
However, maybe one or more of them will be sufficient to answer your questions, regarding the fall of Rome. Please let me know.
Thanks, Damien.
:)
Pastorius,
You're welcome! Glad I could be of assistance.
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