It would probably be helpful if someone on the ACIP or at the CDC or FEMA took a moment from their busy schedules to explain to the public exactly what it is they expect from this outbreak. Does the major threat come from severity of symptoms, numbers affected, strain on medical facilities, loss of productivity, high percentage of mortality, or all of the above? If they are still fuzzy on "how much of a health threat the flu poses this fall" (see below), why has all hell broken loose at the alphabet agencies?
I'm not even in one of the high-risk groups, mind you. I'm just askin'.
From FOX:
The Pentagon is preparing to make troops available if necessary to help the Federal Emergency Management Agency tackle a potential outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, FOX News has confirmed. This comes as a government panel recommends certain groups be placed at the front of the line for swine flu vaccinations this fall, including pregnant women, health care workers and children six months and older.
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices panel also said those first vaccinated should include parents and other caregivers of infants; non-elderly adults who have high-risk medical conditions, and young adults ages 19 to 24. The panel, whose recommendations typically are adopted by federal health officials, voted to set vaccination priorities for those groups Wednesday during a meeting in Atlanta.
Obama administration officials told Congress that H1N1 vaccinations won't be available for several months.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is preparing to sign an order authorizing the military to set up five regional teams to deal with the potential outbreak of H1N1 influenza if FEMA requests help.
A senior U.S. defense official told FOX News that the plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with the FEMA. No final decision has been reached on how the military effort would be manned, but one source said it likely would include
personnel from all branches of the military.It is not known how many troops would be needed and whether they would come from the active duty or the National Guard and Reserve forces.
In the event of a major outbreak, civilian authorities would lead any relief efforts, the official said. The military, as it would for a natural disaster or other significant emergency situation, could provide support and fulfill any tasks that civilian authorities could not, such as air transport or testing of large numbers of viral samples from infected patients.
As a first step, military leaders have asked Gates to authorize planning for the potential assistance. Orders to deploy actual forces would be reviewed later, depending on how much of a health threat the flu poses this fall, the officials said.
FOX News' Jennifer Griffin, Brian Wilson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
On the other hand, if it works, maybe next year they can call out the troops to help with granny's prescription rationing.
PASTORIUS CUTTING IN HERE -
From Noisy Room:
Swine Flu.
Because a “medical emergency” is a plausible justification for getting the military involved.
You wouldn’t suggest “civil unrest” as a reason, because, y’know, Posse Comitatus and all that. Don’t want to suggest “terrorism” ‘cuz that opens a whole ‘nother can-o-worms. Well, let me think, . . . hmmm . . . oh, wait! A medical emergency. That would work! No one but a lunatic would believe we were actually preparing to deal with a civil unrest emergency. It ain’t perfect, but it’ll have to do.
So, even though the CDC has pretty much written off the swine flu as a real threat, it’s still the most plausible medical emergency. We’ll use that.
I guess I’m just a lunatic. I’m the kind of paranoid idiot who wouldn’t put ANYTHING past these assholes.
But then, what would I know? Everyone knows that anyone who doesn’t trust the prez is crazy.
Yeah. Well, I’ve got yer “trust” right here.
Our take on this is one of de-sensitization.
Find plausible reasons to get the military involved. Get the people used to seeing the military in “benign” involvement scenarios. Be careful not to set off the Posse Comitatus alarm. “Hey, we’re just here to help the FEMA guys.”
Once people are used to seeing the military “help out” in various contexts they will be far less likely to freak out at our having the military “help out” during other kinds of “civil infrastructure failures.”
These folks are masters of incrementalism.
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I'm pretty sure they don't actually know why it's so bad. I don't have faith that our government puts enough thought into it to find out. I think it's more of a knee jerk "oh, shit, this is new, panic, panic, panic!"
Well, the worst part of the 1918 pandemic was the secondary bacterial pneumonia some patients got which was very virulent and had an extremely high death rate. Since we now have antibiotics I question whether that is the issue unless they think they're we're going to get hit with a resistant strain.
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'Cos it's a bad a** virus, y'all. Gonna need tanks to contain it.
Uh-huh. Are they planning to sacrifice humans to appease the "god of the swines?"
But, hey, if they are planning on delivering groceries to my front lawn while I luxuriate in the comfy confines of my study during a forced quarantine, fine with me.
I'll hang at home for a week or ten days, no prob.
This would be the only "legitimate" use of those troops. (And, no, I do not think that is a valid use of the military on US soil. Just trying to give someone, somewhere the benefit of the doubt).
And as long as I am allowing my stream of consciousness to drip down my hands. . .
Does anybody on this board remember the 70's swine flu panic? I was alive, but I do not remember it. I heard on a radio show that this is what happened:
- Massive media saturation on the horrible, 1918-like swine flu;
- Emergency funding by congress for a "hurry-up" vaccine;
- People getting paralyzed as a result of the "hurry-up" vaccine;
- Those actually contracting swine flu - no sicker than other flus -up in about two days;
- Withdrawal of vaccine;
- More people got swine flu, (no more than usual flu) mortality same or less than usual flu;
- Panic abates and down the memory chute the whole affair goes.
(I got swine flu back then. Sick for about two days. Was very young (the "target" group.) Felt lousy, but otherwise uneventful.)
Ro
Ro
Row that damn boat.
I either forget to sign or I double sign. I either have a self-esteem problem or am an egomaniac.
Or both.
Ro (one time)
WTF?
That's a weird story. It's so strange, I don't know what to make of it.
My mind quickly moves right to the paranoid. Why the hell would they believe they need military troops to handle a flu outbreak? Martial law to keep people off the streets?
Or,
could this "anticipated outbreak" perhaps coincide with some other incident (Israel attacking Iran) which they expect, and the resultant payback from Islamic Jihadists in the U.S?
I'm stickin' with the grocery delivery duty.
It is not paranoia when stuff gets this weird and "sinister."
We should demand that our reps find out what the hell the CDC, Pentagon and FEMA / Napoleontano are expecting and exactly how they expect to deploy these "troops."
This reminds me a little of the buzz of lower Manhattan. How fun it must be for them to watch all the little people panic.
Jerks.
They are startin' to piss me off.
I never thought I would say this. But - molon labe.
Ro
Ro!
Molon Labe!
I think I'm in love!
Will you marry me?
This is the government overreacting.
"Oh my God! It's a pandemic! We're going to have 75,000,000 get this virus in the first thirty minutes! We'll need troops to prevent rioting and panic and attempts to take the vaccines!"
Buncha morons. What they know is the Spanish Flu killed 100,000,000 people worldwide. What they forget, or don't know, is that it took 2 years for that death toll to mount, alot of it was pnuemonia and other dieases from already weakened immune systems (as Revere said) and we are much better equipped now to contain and fight it than they were then.
And they think the public will panic accordingly.
Buncha nitwits.
Case in point (then I'll shut up)(I promise)(maybe):
Begininng of this summer we had one gent at work come down with this swine flu.
And he got better.
BUT
NOT before upper crust management had 1 of the summer employees spend days washing down every wall in every hall, floor to ceiling, and railing and surface of the building with a high strength disinfectant. Stiiiiiiink!
And used the excuse that they had summer help they wanted to put to work. "No, no one had swine flu, what makes you think that?"
They've disinefected nothing since then (2 months) BUT have put up signs that read "Avoid a fall, use handrails." And an internal PSA "Avoid flu -- wash hands after touching common surfaces." Like handrails.
This is the gov't acting the same way at a national level.
Ro
I remember the 70s swine flu panic but I lived in New York and the general attitude was "What? Like we don't have enough to deal with already?"
For an account of the effect of a real epidemic, check out the polio epidemic between 1945-55 when the Salk vaccine came out. A good source is http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/projects/sokol.html
It was truly frightening, especially for parents and kids. If you came down with flu symptoms then the fear was not of death but of life in an iron lung.
I'm inclined to agree with Noisy Room that it's incrementalism. Meanwhile the CT sites are warning of FEMA camps, the Flu Shot of Death, and de-populating schemes. There are resistance movements to any mandatory vaccinating. So this should all get very intereting in about 6 weeks when the kids go back to school.
I like Ro's idea, hang out for a week or so in quarantine and get the groceries delivered. If I disappear I'll probably be at my mother's where the cooking is much better. Plus she's got that card gets you into the Air Force base's commissary.
That should be html at the end of the link above. Sorry.
RRA - so much the better! Don't even need to deploy troops around the Air Force base!! The delivery team is right there.
Plus mom's cooking???
Now we're makin' some lemonade outta these lemons.
Ro
I saw this a.m. that the WSJ has put up its August 1976 swine flu coverage in an archive.
I might get a chance to read it later. Or I might not. But it is probably interesting history.
I also saw that the FluMist this year will have the H1N1 vaccine (apparently it is being tested on humans in Australia now).
No thimerasol (sp?) in that one, for all the parents worried about mercury exposure for their kids.
I don't trust the government at all, but I will get a flu shot when they have enough to give it to those not in the "most urgently needed" demos, which, apparently are pregnant women, kids, adults with pre-existing conditions and adults under 26 years old.
Adults over 26 (even those over 65) were not included in the "most urgent demos because they have been observed to get very mild cases. We must have been exposed during the 70's debacle.
That was from a WSJ story I read this a.m.
Ro
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