Saturday, June 11, 2011

Is a mosque like a gym? Douglas Murray dissects Tariq Ramadan


From Jihad Watch:

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

sufism, muslim brotherhood, tariq ramadan...


Osho Sufism

It happened that one Sufi master who was very much loved... his disciples used to come to me and say, 'When our master comes, we want you both to meet.'

I said, 'On one condition: your master should be my guest for just three days, and you have not to come for three days.'

So the master came, as he used to come every year for a month or two to that place. When he came to my house, I closed the door and told the disciples, 'Now you disappear, and for three days leave him with me.'

The master said, 'What do you want?'

I said, 'You put your instruments away, and for three days don't think about your beloved God.' He said, 'What is the purpose of this?'

I said, 'The purpose will be known after three days. Just for three days be normal. You are abnormal.' He said, 'You are a strange fellow! I am abnormal?'

I said, 'Just drop this idea of a hypothetical God. Have you seen God?' He said, 'I see God everywhere.'

I said, 'When did it start happening?' He said, 'It took twenty years for me to see God in everyone. Finally, I started seeing.'

I said, 'That's why I am saying that for three days, don't do anything you have been doing. For these three days take a holiday from your practice of seeing God in everyone.'

Just in one day it was finished! The next day he was very angry with me. He said, 'Just let me go. You have destroyed my twenty years' effort. For just one night I followed your idea, and now in the morning I don't see any God anywhere.'

I said, 'A God that you have been seeing for twenty years disappears within a single night ? what is it worth? Can't you see that it is a hypothesis that you have imposed? And twenty years are not needed for such programming ? such programming can be done within hours.'

A person can be hypnotized just for seven days continually and told he will see God everywhere, in everyone. Within seven days the person can be programmed just like a computer, and he will start seeing God. But this is not the way of truth.

Sufism is nothing. And if you want, bring any Sufi to me and I will take away all his experience within one hour. These are abnormal people, hypnotizing themselves.

Anonymous said...

* osho on sufism

Anonymous said...

osho on islam


Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.

Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.

Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?

Anonymous said...

Peaceful, tolerant London Mosque revealed as epicenter of vicious campaign of homophobic street-jihad http://seanrobsville.blogspot.com/2011/06/east-london-mosque-identified-as.html

Anonymous said...

«“Shari’a and Violence in American Mosques.” The authors have amassed a solid bank of peer-reviewed data attesting to the presence and promotion of literature advocating violence in the majority of 100 randomly selected American mosques. And yes: that’s majority of “American” mosques. Not Saudi mosques. Not Pakistani. Not Iranian. Not Turkish. Not even British mosques.

American mosques.

There goes that post-9/11 myth — the one that tells us that American Islam is a happily assimilating creed, wholly different from the aggressive Islam transforming Europe. The new data collected by Israeli scholar Mordechai Kedar and attorney David Yerushalmi of the Center for Security Policy (and one of my 18 co-authors on the book “Shariah: The Threat to America”) indicate that most American mosques are sanctioning, if not also promoting, the study of material of similar peril.

For me, the six tables of data boil down to two simple and stunning facts. More than 80 percent of the mosques in the study feature Islamic literature that advocates violence…» - Diana West

Anonymous said...

The "Undercover Mosque" investigations in the UK found that mosques deemed previously to be "moderate" were in fact disseminating violent hateful literature and preaching violent hateful sermons. (A similar study was done in various mosques in Italy, with the same result of finding that previously supposed "moderate" mosques were in fact extremist.)

Anonymous said...

Al Qaeda Manual has been found to specifically instruct its agents to blend in and seem un-Islamic, this tendency this study reinforces is positively dangerous for our societies, to the extent that it reinforces our segregation of Good and Bad Muslims. It is precisely the moderate-seeming, nominal, Westernized Muslim who is most dangerous in terms of gaining access in our societies in order to inflict the highest casualties and infrastructure damage.