(Note: This post is critical of Mandela and his policies. However, this should not be taken to mean that I'm justifying apartheid in any way. Apartheid was a horrible policy enforced by a bunch of white supremacist assholes and I would never support any such stupidity...now that that's out of the way...)
Intent matters to me and that's where Mandela fails in his terrorist tactics.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding as well as to what the situation was during the latter years of apartheid. Here's a series of videos that, more or less, seems to accurately describe it.
PS: Gandhi was an asshole! :-P
Here's a little story. I grew up in a culture where the "white man", Jew and Christian were all supposed to be horrible people.
Even
when I converted, and had no hate for white people, Jews and
Christians, I still believed in the BS that whites started slavery and
racism and all that crap that's popular opinion. I wasn't a liberal but
Muslims' views on white people are well known (that white women are
whores, and white people are all evil, etc). Although I didn't believe
in this anymore, the part about slavery and racism took a little while
to get rid of.
It was under such conditions I
first found out about South Africa and apartheid. I, like most everyone
else, believed Mandela was a hero and that he saved South Africa for
blacks and whites alike.
Then I became a flight attendant and went to South Africa soon after. That's when everything changed.
It
was there that I came upon the realization that blacks could be racist
too. That blacks hated white people and judged white people based on
race too. Call me ignorant or an idiot, but it really did take me a
while to understand that the story that only white people should be
blamed for racism was in fact bullshit.
The
story sold by the media of "South Africa now is so much better" is
bullshit. The story sold that "now all are equal" is bullshit. South
Africa is the perfect example of a world set upside down. Now whites are
second class citizens. Now whites are mercilessly murdered and there is
no justice. Now whites are discriminated against. It's apartheid all
over again, the only difference being that no one gives a shit about
whites like they did about blacks.
The
situation now is worse than it was under the apartheid regime. It's not for nothing that even some blacks are starting to ask whether apartheid was all that bad compared to right now. Although I think it's stupid to
want to go back to something that horrible just because what you have
now is more horrible.
Now the point of all that is that I despise what Mandela achieved. I despise Mandela as much as I despise the white supremacists who ran the apartheid regime. Mandela took apartheid and flipped it on its head. He had the opportunity to fix the problem but instead he f*cked it all up. "South Africa for blacks only", "kill a boer (white farmer), kill a farmer today", etc were the slogans used by mandela's terrorists. I don't see any difference between Mandela and the white supremacists. They are both supremacists.
Now the point of all that is that I despise what Mandela achieved. I despise Mandela as much as I despise the white supremacists who ran the apartheid regime. Mandela took apartheid and flipped it on its head. He had the opportunity to fix the problem but instead he f*cked it all up. "South Africa for blacks only", "kill a boer (white farmer), kill a farmer today", etc were the slogans used by mandela's terrorists. I don't see any difference between Mandela and the white supremacists. They are both supremacists.
I
don't know what conservatives are saying about Mandela. My point in
criticizing him is not that he should not have used violence, my point
is that he used violence against the wrong people. He took the easy
road. He targeted the unarmed, the innocent (we can argue about
definitions but I think we've done plenty of that already lol), even
those whites that were on his side and against apartheid and even those blacks who were against apartheid but didn't support the ANC.
Anyway,
what is the good that Mandela achieved? I fail to see it. Mandela
fought a dirty war against the wrong enemy for the wrong reasons. And
now South Africa has what he fought for: a country run by blacks where
whites are constantly persecuted and for what? For being white.
We
are all in agreement that apartheid was bad. If Mandela did something
good, where is that something good? Or do we buy mandela's words of
utopia and don't much care for what he actually achieved or set in
place? Che Guevara sold a utopia too, so did Castro, Lenin, Stalin and
Hitler. But judging by what they put in place, I don't think anyone sane
would want to argue for the "good" they wanted to do.
I am not a pacifist and I don't believe
there is any such thing as Christian warfare (what does that even
mean?).
I accept that innocent people die in a
war. I've never criticized drone use even though it ends up killing
children. I'm not a fool, I would much rather have that collateral
damage than have American soldiers dying trying to protect the children
over there in Pakistan.
But the difference is
that the children are not the target. And in that lies the crux of my
argument. Mandela and his people targeted children and women. Those
deaths were not collateral damage. They were the target (no, not in every
attack but later on).
Just to make my point
more clear, I think using the nukes was a good strategy. Many innocent
people died in both cities but the actual targets were the military
industries that needed destroyed, and the nukes helped send a message to
the Japanese that their emperor's and empire's days were numbered. If
not for the nukes, many more people would have died. Same reason I have
no problems with the leveling of dusseldorf.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding as well as to what the situation was during the latter years of apartheid. Here's a series of videos that, more or less, seems to accurately describe it.
PS: Gandhi was an asshole! :-P
11 comments:
Can anyone confirm if the videos are showing up? They aren't on my browser.
Nicoenarg
The videos are there.
Thanks. Wonder what's screwed up in my browser now. Meh.
Nicoenarg
I left the comment below at Epa's post about Mandela and will leave the same comment here (before going back outside to shovel more snow)...
All of us here at IBA agree that apartheid was evil in the extreme -- and had to be overturned.
However, if we say, "Anything goes to overthrow evil," would we all agree that anything goes to overthrow all evil if the word evil is defined so as to include a cause of which we disapprove?
Much of Islamic hate toward the West is driven by hatred of "the evil West."
And what about Hitler? The treaty terms of the WW1 armistice were "evil." So anything that Hitler did was a-okay because he was combating "evil"?
I think that we have to be very wary of slipping into moral relevancy.
I find the ongoing canonization of Nelson Mandela quite disturbing. And something tells me that it is agenda driven.
AOW,
"I find the ongoing canonization of Nelson Mandela quite disturbing. And something tells me that it is agenda driven."
Thank you! And Exactly!
Nicoenarg
Nico,
I've said very little until now.
I've been mulling it over and trying to figure out exactly why I've been uneasy about all the Mandela accolades since his passing, I've decided that the accolades have been over the top. My comment here at IBA reflects my conclusion.
Such accolades appear to be less than universal given the stadium at his memorial are visibly half empty:
image via Daily Mail
FWIW . . .it appears Huma Abedin attended the memorial with the Clintons. image via UK DAily Mail
AOW,
Anytime a man is worshipped or raised up on a pedestal, alarm bells start ringing in my head.
Mandela is one such man who is worshipped but the story based on which he's worshipped is completely false.
And he seems to be worshipped more by outsiders than even the blacks of South Africa.
Nicoenarg
Aow, Pasto , Nico.
It bothers me as well , till i saw Anonimous his comment :
'Open season against whites for generations.Rape and murder with no consequences.'
Just put , change and redistribution of wealth with it and you see what's in Store for Obama's America.
Just poor some oil on the flames start riots, who cares about knocking out a few Jews?
No reaction from the WH.
There's your reason for Martial law and rule as a dictator.
Don't forget young Obama had a poster of Idi Amin on his living room wall.
Nico,
I see your comment above of Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:53:00 pm.
For what it's worth, I think that what you said in that comment is of consummate importance. I'm saying this, in part, because I agree with you. But not only for that reason!
It has taken me nearly a lifetime to analyze and consider matters with my head -- not with my heart.
The heart believes what it wants to believe, and there are times that thinking with the heart is totally appropriate.
But not when it comes to politics!
BTW, I'm trained in policy debate, and I teach policy debate. I'm thinking that way and have been thinking that way for quite a while.
For example, after 9/11, I read reams of material from sources siding with Islam, sources opposing Islam, and sources in the middle of the road. I wanted to know why, why, why.
What brought me to the position I now take regarding Islam? More than anything else, one book: The Sword of the Prophet. The historical evidence speaks for itself.
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