I DON'T BELIEVE THE DENIALS.
Here's one: MAS: Boeing, RR deny getting MH370 data bursts
The origin of this story was the Wall Street Journal. Hardly a paper that plays loose with the truth, or jumps on crazy theories.
Here's an NPR interview with the WSJ reporter who wrote this story
And here's another UPDATE
Officials Now Searching INDIAN OCEAN, India, China, Australia for Missing Flight #MH370 (Video)
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Reports are surfacing that Malaysian Air flight 370 was airborne at least 4 additional hours after it went missing from radar.
EPASEZ: Say, what IS the range of a fully loaded 777?Officials suspect that the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent back to Rolls Royce – the manufacturers of the Boeing 777′s engines. US counter-terrorism teams are now pursuing the astonishing possibility that the plane and its 239 passengers was diverted to an undisclosed location ‘with the intention of using it later for another purpose’. [LINK]
MORE:
The Wall Street Journal broke the new developments after talking with two unofficial sources familiar with the American investigation - raising a whole new raft of questions about what happened to the jet which disappeared seemingly without trace from radar at around 1.30 am early on Saturday morning en-route to Beijing.
Government terrorism experts are now examining the possibility that the pilot or somebody else turned the plane's transponders off to avoid detection and flew it to another country.
A total flight time of five hours upon leaving Kuala Lumpur means that the Boeing 777 would have been able to remain airborne for an additional 2,200 nautical miles at its air-speed - which put the border of Pakistan and the Arabian Sea within its reach. officials are working on the suspicion that the plane's engines were operating for four more hours following its last recorded sighting on radar.
This has caused enormous uncertainty over the final destination of the aircraft - in addition to why it flew for so long without operating its transponders.
One working theory from counter-terror officials is that the plane was taken over for an as-yet unknown purpose.
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That's about a 2500 mile radius. Otherwise no problem. The thing is, the 777 can land on a medium size strip, but it needs a longer one to take off. About 9,000 feet. We are talking fully loaded B-52 kind of distance
Well if they took it to Saudi, Malaysia, Indonesia, or parts of the Indian subcontinent, especially including Pakistan ...
Admittedly, I am technically challenged. The following statement ...
"Officials suspect that the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent back to Rolls Royce – the manufacturers of the Boeing 777′s engines.
If cell towers can track locations of calls, can this data be traced back as well?
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‘Secret Negotiation with Hijackers’ Theory Bolsters as Last Words from Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Revealed
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25201-malaysian-plane-sent-out-engine-data-before-vanishing.html#.UyFEjWeYaM8
The missing Malaysia Airlines jet sent at least two bursts of technical data back to the airline before it disappeared, New Scientist has learned.
..................This would suggest no concrete data is to hand. But New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, UK, where it keeps real-time tabs on its engines in use. One was broadcast as MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the other during the 777's climb out towards Beijing.
As the engine data is filtered from a larger ACARS report covering all the plane's critical flight systems and avionics, it could mean the airline has some useful clues about the condition of the aircraft prior to its disappearance. The plane does not appear to have been cruising long enough to issue any more ACARS reports. It disappeared from radar at 1.30 AM local time, halfway between Malaysia and Vietnam over the Gulf of Thailand................
More “ACARS” info. here (Malaysian Airline System Bhd “opted-out” of real time data):
MAS: Boeing, RR deny getting MH370 data bursts
There is too much contradictory news coming out.
I'm starting to disbelieve all of it.
Here's the thing: If there is that much contradictory news, then someone, in fact, many people are lying.
Lying.
If they are lying, what are they trying to cover up?
Well, what do they usually try to cover up?
By the way, personally, from the beginning I have believed this plane was hijacked/stolen.
Folks are losing confidence in the Malay authorities involved in this investigation because it seems they leak something and then deny. Keystone cops style.
It appears they have no idea how to conduct an effective investigation but are quite prepared to play CYA and point fingers distracting from attempts to CYA.
This FoxVideo report, "Aviation expert on why Flight 370 may have been diverted" mentions @1:45 there are :
"five different ways [for pilots] to report back to home base or somewhere, wouldn't they figure out a way to get some message out?"
To which this aviation expert resonds:
"Every pilot is trained to first fly the airplane and then communicate. So, if they are not doing that and the airplane is airborne, they're disabled"
I beg to differ here, specifically in this instance because of the reports of multiple security breaches which include:
5 passengers checking in but not boarding, only to have this point later denied,
questions about Faruq Abdul Hamid, the 27 year old co-pilot who entertained young pretty passengers and crew members in the cockpit,
The multiple passengers traveling with stolen passports
'stolen passports' being of particular interest given
Uighurs were deported to China from Malaysia in 2011 and 2012 for carrying false passports.
“Data from Interpol show there were 39 million lost or stolen passports as at the end of last year.”
“Interpol says no country checked its database for information about stolen passports that were used to board the Malaysia Airlines flight..."
via Calcutta News: Travel by passengers with stolen identities can be prevented . . .but apparently WASN’T
. . .etc.
In my opinion, another possible scenario to consider, beyond the suggested possibility of a disabled flight crew, especially given the aggregious, albeit partial list of security breaches above,
consider a complicit flight crew
New Evidence Suggests That Plane Disappearance Was A Deliberate Act
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mh370-deliberate-act-2014-3#ixzz2vtgoCAm2
oooops! Forgot to add this to the list of overlooked concerns.
pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah was known as an 'aviation geek' addicted to the flight simulator of the Boeing 777 that he had set up in his house,
Pilots are required to send a Mayday signal once something is wrong. Mayday is sent when pilots know that all ATC's around them should have all their attention on their plane and no other. Once a Mayday signal is sent, the pilots have a dedicated ATC person, regardless of whether the pilots are talking or not. All other flights are put on a holding pattern (they fly in a circle over the airport in a pattern so ATC can focus on the aircraft in trouble without worrying about other planes) around the nearest runway/airport to the plane that sent the Mayday signal.
If a Mayday signal was sent...then its a normal "crash". In others words, something went wrong and the plane crashed before further reports could be sent.
If a Mayday signal was sent and the Malaysian authorities are not revealing that the Mayday signal was sent then its either authorities who were complicit in whatever went down or they're hiding it for reasons of pride/shame. Very Muslim thing to do and very plausible.
If there was no Mayday signal sent at all then the plane just fell out of the sky so fast the pilots had no idea what hit them. That can happen too. Pilots are humans and they can get get freaked out too.
If there was no Mayday signal but there is proof that the airplane kept flying on and then disappeared into thin air then that points to a couple of things: 1) Terrorists took over the flight deck by either killing or threatening the flight crew. 2) The flight crew is involved.
The thing about one of the pilots inviting girls into the cockpit is that since 9/11 no passengers are allowed into the cockpit after the plane leaves the gate and until it lands and parks at the gate. Throughout the flight the flight deck door is to remain locked unless a flight attendant wishes to enter (for food, drink, chat. whatever).
If a flight attendant is being held at gun point, and the terrorist threatens to shoot if the flight deck door is not opened. The flight deck door needs to not only not be opened but the security mechanism needs to be activated which, when activated, sends an alarm signal down to the ATC in control in the area. If the terrorist is shooting up everyone in the plane, the door is still to remain closed.
The point of all of this is that the rules clearly state that the lives crew and the integrity and safety of the flight deck is more important than anything or anyone else on the plane. Seeing that the flight crew didn't care about the rules, any aircraft piloted by these pilot/s would be an easy target.
When I was a flight attendant and I saw this kind of behavior (inviting passengers to the flight deck), I would refuse to fly with that pilot. Its that simple. The pilot, from the moment he invited passengers to the flight deck, the very first time, on whichever flight he did it, compromised the safety and security on aircraft co-commanded by him on all subsequent flights.
Not sure if any of what I said makes any sense but these are my $0.02.
Nicoenarg
BTW, there's nothing odd or wrong about "entertaining" (whatever that means) flight attendants in the cockpit. Happens on all flights. Only one pilot at a time is needed to focus on what's going on in the aircraft. First officers (co-pilots) are only around, really, so 1) the captain can rest 2) first officers assume the responsibility of a captain in case the captain isn't fit for duty anymore (or dead).
With that said, inviting passengers into the flight deck during flight is a breach of security. One of the most serious ones actually.
Nicoenarg
Thanks for your input, Nico.
I have been wondering where you've disappeared to.
Hopefully, everything is going well for you.
Everything's alright, thanks :). I've been swamped with my studies. Final year (hopefully). Got a huge project and assignments coming out my ass. 3 more months and I should be done.
Nicoenarg
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