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Monday, January 18, 2016

Have you noticed that Trump & Bernie are attacking the EXACT same quality in their opponents?

UPDATE AT BOTTOM

I remain undecided

I have long theorized that a VERY large segment of the American people now have concluded both logically and emotionally that Wall Street Democrats, and Big Business, Corporate Republicans are ONE, and that this is why both Trump and Bernie are where they are.

This week Trump began to score heavily with a ground game against Cruz pointing out his calling on Goldman Sachs for money (FULL DISCLOSURE- Cruz’s wife had worked there), and Citibank



Last night as analysts were saying that Bernie mopped the floor with a Hillary who tried to bring out the Obama vote by trying to make police out as stereotypical gun toting racists, he did so with a withering …well…




“I don’t take money from big banks. I don’t get personal speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, - Secretary Clinton you’ve received over $600,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs in one year,”
Now Cruz is hardly the darling of the Mitch McConnell/Rove crowd, but never the less the 5 day Reuters



Just below Rubio at 5.1% is the well known “WOULDN’T VOTE”. Everyone else is below that.

By the time we hit South Carolina vote count, what will we see?


If this thesis is correct, will we really see Trump vs Bernie?

It would have been a far more decisive contest for the nation if Trump was really a conservative as the nation would then have the clearest choice since 1860.

But as it is, it will mean something DIFFERENT will be experimented with in our national experiment in self governing.

Congress, Senate, take note. Steve Israel suddenly retiring, and Eric Cantor’s ignominious firing have meaning.

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A general answer to some comments:

If the US public is concluding the 2 parties have no difference at heart, then that similarity runs thru where the $ is.

HUGE BIZ and BANKS, which are the backbone of the political class.

It is thru there that the big revolving door (big business/academia/govt) runs most frequently.


Hank Paulsen, Robert Reich, Geithner, Lew ..if you track these guys history it's a little freaky and it's BOTH PARTIES

Now you can say, well who is going to be treasury sec but experienced bankers? But there are plenty of businessmen who would be as good, and not ones who are in the political class either.

Jack Welch comes to mind right away.

Now Trump exists because of the FAILURE of R's to deal with border(terrorism class concern) and trade (economy class concern).

Bernie exists because of the failure of the D's as they have become totally progressive to GO SOCIALISM, which is why Bernie is where he is

Both both of those failures exist BECAUSE the political class's interests are NOT those of the bases of the parties. Thus none of the concerns of the voters to see their will done has been addressed.

Big biz BENEFITS (profits) from an open border and free trade

Dem votes BENEFIT from open border

Lawyers and big govt (Dem interests) BENEFIT from high corp taxes and convoluted tax codes (GE has an entire DIVISION devoted to that) which continue to REWARD outsourcing with more profit in Wall Street (D and R mainline party interests)

On and on.

Neither party has the interests of the middle class, entrepreneurs, independent minded people, or the poorer, or working class folks who heretofore could spend LUCRATIVE CAREERS making cars, steel, or electronic components and are now working at Dunkin, McD's or who knows what horrendous mind numbing, poor paying desperate situation.

The political class and the moneys that ensure the revolving doors among academia/big biz/ and banks simply have grown apart from the PEOPLE and have different needs than the people - to grow.

Thus the people are now divided as to the solution to this.

SOCIALISM
or NOT

This is why I wish Trump were more conservative altho he CLAIMS he has changed his mind about a lot of things.

I have a feeling unless things change, we are going to find out
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9 Comments:

Blogger Always On Watch said...

Citibank may have a meltdown if oil prices continue to tumble. If that happens, Trump and Bernie will gain more traction.

Monday, January 18, 2016 11:56:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Now that Iran is legit on the oil market I can think of no reason that oil should stop declining.

There is more supply from them, and KSA (IMHO) will keep on pumping and pump even more to keep the world happy with THEM as world supplier as the face off with Iran everywhere intensifies.

Monday, January 18, 2016 1:03:00 pm  
Anonymous Nicoenarg said...

I could totally be wrong on this but I thought Trump's appeal was on immigration issues more than anything else. Cruz has been taking a hit as of late because of his support for increased number H1B visas. Obviously Trump is the only one who is able to finance his campaign without taking any donations (Bernie can't even do that, the senile ancient hasn't done anything in his life that's worth something).

What scares me about this whole election cycle is a couple of things. One of the worst things is that Sanders is actually getting support. I can see similarities between Latin American populists and Bernie Sanders: "I will take money from those that have and give it to you and then we'll all be rich!". This soon turns to hatred of anyone who is successful.

Monday, January 18, 2016 1:19:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I agree with Nico on Bernie Sanders. The support he receives means that America truly has morphed a Third World nation seeking a despot.

Trump is not a true Conservative. There is good and bad to that. Bad is, we really don't know what he would do, but we do know some of it would be not to the liking of Conservatives like me. But the good is, he will appeal to the same group of MOR people who voted for Obama thinking he would be a healer not a divider. In other words, there are a lot of Democrat voters out there who will vote for Trump believing that he will bring the Conservatives and Liberals together.

Additionally, as I have written here before, my experience working with the Democrat party in 1992 showed me that the Democrat party has ignored the will of a very very large percentage of it's constituents who wanted them - ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1992 - to stop the illegal alien invasion.

The people do not want this, and that is a powerful part of Trump's appeal.

I think Trump is melting down, because I think it is stupid to attack Cruz on the "Canadian" thing.

However, I could be wrong. That might appeal to the more angry people out there who really do seem to believe the elections are bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs.

What's interesting is they pick on Goldman Sachs, the company with the Jewish name. Over and over they pick on Goldman Sachs, yet they love Bernie Sanders. America is not Europe.

On the other hand, maybe a lot of the love for Trump may be the result of an anti-Semitic impulse.

I am musing here. I have no idea.

Monday, January 18, 2016 1:29:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Well, Jaime Dimon, who I believe is Jewish is the CEO of JP Morgan/Chase, and IO think Lloyd Blankfein is still Goldman, don't know about Michael Corbat (Citi)... but my point is that IF the US public is concluding the 2 parties have no difference at heart, then that similarity runs thru where the $ is.

HUGE BIZ and BANKS, which are the backbone of the political class.

It is thru there that the big revolving door runs most frequently.
Hank Paulsen, Robert Reich, Geithner, Lew ..if you track these guys history it's a little freaky and it's all BOTH PARTIES

Now you can say, well who is going to be treasury sec but experienced bankers? But there are plenty of businessmen who would be as good, and not ones who are in the political class either.

Jack Welch comes to mind right away.

Now Trump exists because of the FAILURE of R's to deal with border(terrorism class concern) and trade (economy class concern).

Bernie exists because of the failure of the D's as they have become totally progressive to GO SOCIALISM, which is why Bernie is where he is

Both both of those failures exist BECAUSE the political class's interests are NOT those of the bases of the parties.

Big biz BENEFITS (profits) from an open border and free trade

Dem votes BENEFIT from open border

Lawyers and big govt (Dem interests) BENEFIT from high corp taxes and convoluted tax codes (GE has an entire DIVISION devoted to that) which continue to REWARD outsourcing with more profit in Wall Street (D and R mainline party interests)

ON and on.

Neither party has the interests of the middle class, entrepreneurs, independent minded people, or the poorer, or working class folks who heretofore could spend LUCRATIVE CAREERS making cars, steel, or electronic components and are now working at Dunkin, McD's or who knows what horrendous mind numbing, poor paying desperate situation.

The political class and the moneys that ensure the revolving doors among academia/big biz/ and banks simply have grown apart from the PEOPLE and have different needs to grow.

Thus the people are now divided as to the solution to this.

SOCIALISM
or NOT

This is why I wish Trump were more conservative altho he CLAIMS he has changed his mind about a lot of things.

I have a feeling unless things change, we are going to find out

Monday, January 18, 2016 2:22:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I believe if it is Trump vs. Bernie, Trump will win by a landslide. I don't think the percentage of people who want Socialism is anywhere near the percentage of people who want to destroy the Illegal Alien Machine that is our Government/Corporate/Media Complex.

Additionally, I think Trump has enough "Socialist" ideas to siphon off all but the most extreme of those voters anyway.

Monday, January 18, 2016 3:38:00 pm  
Anonymous Nicoenarg said...

I believe if it is Trump vs. Bernie, Trump will win by a landslide. I don't think the percentage of people who want Socialism is anywhere near the percentage of people who want to destroy the Illegal Alien Machine that is our Government/Corporate/Media Complex.

If what you're saying here is true then there's plenty of home for America. However, on the flip side, if people would still vote for Hillary given all the corruption scandals and whatnot then that is another cause for concern.

Monday, January 18, 2016 5:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Nicoenarg said...

home? I meant hope for America.

Monday, January 18, 2016 5:32:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

If Bernie is the nominee it's going to be a race between SEEMING MEAN to the poor immigrants vs the hope/belief that free stuff is going to be ok

Trump should win, but I bet the polls will show people embarrassed to be voting for the 'fascist racist'

That Hillary leads in some polls vs Trump indicates the STRENGTH of the political class's media machine, and is a VERY VERY bad sign since it is also true that most people can't stand her as well

Monday, January 18, 2016 6:22:00 pm  

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