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Saturday, May 05, 2018

When Abbas spews anti-Semitic vitriol the response is thunderous. Not so much for Poland's prime minister

From The LA Times:
Nothing stays above politics forever, not even the Holocaust. Earlier this week, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas was caught spewing anti-Semitic vitriol, including the notion that Jews were responsible for the Holocaust. 
The denunciations from American Jewish leaders were swift and unequivocal. But they also rang hollow. 
In February, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki publicly said there were "Jewish perpetrators" of the Holocaust. Morawiecki's remark — which scholars condemned as a form of Holocaust denial — came in the wake of Warsaw's new memory law, which made it illegal to claim that Poland had participated in the Holocaust. The law triggered a wave of anti-Semitism in Poland that shows few signs of abating. 
Indeed, just last month a senior Polish lawmaker tweeted that "the Jews are not humans, they are animals!" Yet American Jewish leaders' reaction to Morawiecki's remark was exponentially more muted than the outrage over Abbas. 
Their responses were cushioned with words such as "unfortunate" and "misstatement," stunning euphemisms considering Morawiecki is the prime minister of a nation where 60,000 people took the streets in November chanting, "Pure blood." 
This strangely restrained response of U.S. Jews is, unfortunately, all too common when it comes to the Holocaust distortion surging across Eastern Europe. On April 28, a thousand Ukrainians marched in honor of a local SS unit. The demonstration, which included Nazi salutes, capped off a week in which a Holocaust memorial was firebombed, the tomb of a rabbi was desecrated, and neo-Nazis conducted anti-Roma pogroms in the heart of Kiev. 
Surely these events deserve denunciation too, yet once again, American Jews were mostly silent. American Jewish leaders’ reaction to Morawiecki’s remark was exponentially more muted than the outrage over Abbas. 
There is an explanation for this reticence. American Jewish organizations spent decades campaigning for the liberation of Soviet Jews who, like the Poles and dozens of other national groups, were trapped in what President Reagan called the Evil Empire. "For your freedom and ours!" was the battle cry of those fighting communism. It was obvious that the success of any liberation movement — Jewish, Polish, Baltic — was a blow to Moscow and a victory for everyone yearning to cast off the Kremlin yoke. 
A lingering nostalgia for that common struggle is what keeps U.S. Jewish leaders and lawmakers from speaking out now. 

Here's an article from the Washington Post about Morawiecki's statement and the resultant fall-out.
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Blogger Redneck Texan said...

I could save a little time here and just copy and paste the title of the post below this on here.

"Stop Choosing to Be a Victim of Something That Didn't Happen to You"

I dont consider myself antisemitic or a Holocaust denier ....... but you know, the Jewish Holocaust wasn't the only attempt at ethnic genocide in history ..... but perhaps the only one where that the survivors were able to cultivate the resulting guilt and pity into help setting up an independent homeland over a 1000 miles away from where the attempted genocide occurred.

They're still trying to harness that pity as a political counterweight to their own more recent attempts to do a little ethnic cleansing in the adjacent lands they covet.

Its like the Jewish Holocaust is they only genocide in history with a well funded lobbyist campaign behind it to keep it relevant. Whereas the other past surviving victims of genocide, most of whom weren't able to convert their victimization into an independent homeland, seem to be able to move on with their lives after a few generations.

Thats probably why the American Jews' response to the Polish PM were relatively muted compared to the Israeli Jews. The Israeli Jews have a vested interest in propagating the Holocaust for as long as they can.

Saturday, May 05, 2018 7:35:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Eh, whatever.

Let's back up and pretend your accusation of Israelis wanting to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land is a reasonable claim.

If so, well, if I have to choose between the two peoples, one of whom produces and the other of whom destroys, I will choose the Israelis.

Saturday, May 05, 2018 7:43:00 pm  
Blogger Redneck Texan said...

Yeah, me too.

I have no problem with what Israel is trying to do in the West Bank. Its no different than what my ancestors did to the native Americans.

But you dont hear the Native Americans complaining about what happened to them every day.

If I said some Indians helped us massacre the other Indians ...... that would be factually correct ...... and you wouldn't hear about any surviving Indians trying to deny it.

I dont know if the Polish PM was factually correct about Jewish participation or not ..... but I suspect he was.

Just like Africans played a major role in the African slave trade. The ancestors of slaves are still bitching about my ancestors buying them, but they are not looking for reparations from their ancestors that sold them.

In both instances, the Holocaust and American Slavery, which were both horrible for the individuals directly involved ....... the modern day descendants of those victims fell it is their advantage to keep stoking the guilt trip card. And their reasoning for doing so is obvious.

Who cries for the Carthaginians?
Who cries for the Mongols victims?
Who cries for the Cambodians?
Who cries for the Aztecs?
Who cries for the Gauls?

Their descendants have all moved on to the new reality.

Saturday, May 05, 2018 10:53:00 pm  
Blogger Redneck Texan said...

I've been banned from Facebook btw ..... after I tried to be on my best behavior there.

I'm starting to think maybe its me. ;-)

Saturday, May 05, 2018 11:14:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

As I understand it, there were Jewish "Kapos" in the Concentration Camps. George Soros was supposedly a man who helped the Nazis with their endeavors.

As I understand it, there were Jewish people who helped the Nazis, or enabled them in the murder of other Jews.

That there may have been would not at all be surprising. Look at how many Jews promote hatred of Israel now.

Saturday, May 05, 2018 11:44:00 pm  
Blogger Redneck Texan said...

The Jews also send death squads around the world to liquidate Nazis they felt escaped justice. And are to this day doing the same with Hamas operatives operating out of 3rd party nations.

..... all of which I approve of.

What if other aggrieved parties did the same?

The world seems to give Israel a pass on this kind of retributive shit. And I think the residual Holocaust pity and quilt plays a role in that.

Imagine if other historically victimized groups continued to send out groups of international assassins. Would the world be so quick to let it slide?

The Holocaust seems to give the Jews Carte Blanche to do many things others couldn't get away with. Which is why I think they do everything they can to keep the Holocaust victim card relevant and will continue to vehemently defend against any accusations that some Jews might have contributed.

And I dont blame them for doing so, but I also understand why those not benefiting from Post-Holocaust guilt can be a little more objective today.

I mean the Russian POWs in WW2 were not treated much better by the Nazis than the Jews where. And the Russians reciprocated the hatred and abuses on the German people on their way to Berlin. Both sides were victims of atrocities. Both sides have moved on since then. There's no reason for them to keep using their past victimhood for leverage today.

Thats true of most all historical victims of injustice. The past is chock full of atrocities. Humans have always been some heartless cruel bastards. But only a select few past atrocities seem to have legs today, and I feel that's because they are still being used for negotiational advantage.

Sunday, May 06, 2018 12:40:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Covert operations save a lot of blood and money spent on massive ground wars.

Assassinations are more humane. But they would, ultimately cause even more chaos if they became the rule.

Sunday, May 06, 2018 1:14:00 am  

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