I never expected a response from either of the "ummahfilms" folks personally to my post about their little taqiyya project over on WWCMD?, but I ended up getting one from "Thinking Brother". Unfortunately, it is a blog comment version of the "form letter". It's a post from his own seperate blog. Well, if he wants to share his response to us "white Islamophobes", I'll just help him along. Eventually these propagandists will realize that their arguments are utterly useless against us, and able to be picked apart on various levels. I'm cross-posting this as I assume I have permission, since it was left in full on my blog. From: The Thinking Brother:
"My response to another Islamophobe rant is to go more on the offensive. Not to offend, but to rather expose the Islamophobes of who they are and what they are about. Not to bash Christianity, but to show the Islamophobes that they are more skeletons in your closet than you want to admit to.
Your hatred does not bring peace or understanding or unity but more hatred, less unity and less understanding. So why do you hate?
Now back to our regularly scheduled program: Okay, you Islamophobes, you call yourselves infidels. What, do you think it is cute trying to use reverse psychology thinking that you're mocking Muslims and Islam by using an "offensive term" like infidel to describe yourself? Well, infidel, you call yourself that so infidel, listen to this.
Anyway, there has been a lot of Internet chatter regarding free speech on websites like Youtube after a white person named Michelle Malkin (wait a minute, she's Filipino not white!) whined that her attack on Islam was really an attack on Jihadis and extremists and her cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) was to speak out against the Jihadis and extremists. Yeah, it is like the Crusaders who murdered and raped people in the name of Jesus forcing mostly non whites to be Christian (from Jerusalem to Spain to the Americas to Africa and elsewhere) were the only ones that would be offended if a person decided to mock Jesus. Jesus is revered in Christianity and mocking him does not only upset the "extremists" but the non extremists as well just like mocking the Prophet and trying to say that your video was attacking Jihadis and extremists because you cleverly used footage from terrorist attacks to mask over your true hatred of Muslims and their religion Islam.
Interesting enough, the biggest killers in the name of religion have been Christians and this is proven by history. From the Crusades, Inquisition, to even more recently Bosnia, the only that stole land and resources, raped women, forced natives to convert by the sword, more than ANYONE ELSE has been Christians. It was just in the past few centuries when the agnostics and atheists (yes, the true "infidels and heathens") were the ones who had to reform Christianity so that Christians did not kill people who believed that the earth was not flat. My ancestors were stolen from Africa, forced to abandon their culture and even religion, and most often converted to Christianity. So thanks to the heathens and infidels, it reformed Christianity and Christians to the point that they have killed and enslaved less people than they did a few centuries ago.
Non believers reforming a religion they don't believe in, how hilarious. And it wasn't Muslims who murdered 6 million Jews but Germans, most of them are Christians not atheists. And it wasn't Muslims who murdered over 200,000 civilians in Japan with a nuclear weapon, it was Christians. And it wasn't Muslims who started WWI, WWII, Cold War, etc., it was Christians. Hundreds of millions have died and these same people have the damn audacity to say that Muslims are violent and fanatical! Most of it started by white Christians, who make a small minority in the world today but start most of the major wars and have the highest rate of racism of any ethnic or racial group. It is no coincidence that nearly all of the Islamophobes are white or those who mainly associate themselves with white racists.
What, so you will tell me that it happened back then but not now! What! Look at the nearly 20,000 people who are murdered every year in America, the 100s of thousands people raped every year, the crime that has TERRORIZED communities from east to west. And guess who commit these acts of crime and terror? You guessed it, 99% of them are done by non Muslims! And where just talking in AMERICA, I am not even mentioned South America, Europe, Africa or Asia! How can you overlook all the murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, etc., committed by non Muslims in your country every year and insist that Muslims are a violent bunch? How often do you see Muslims on TV shows like Cops?
And these hateful hypocrites hate it when people defend Muslims and Islam. If you make Muslims look anything less than evil, you to them are evil. The devil has took over their hearts and minds and replaced it with hatred, ignorance and pure and utter hypocrisy that cannot be match by anyone or anything else. They have shifted their racism from mostly and historically black and other non white ethnic groups to now Muslims. It's like it is something inherited from generation to generation, racists just can't stop hating. Now in post 9/11 America, they feel safe to bash Islam and Muslims because it is okay to. They won't bash blacks or latinos because they will get so much negative reaction that they don't want to deal with, so instead of giving up hatred for good, they shifted their racism to Muslims.
Now I have seen the very same hypocritical Islamophobes who misquote verses in the Quran regarding Jihad (that make up less than TWO PERCENT OF THE QURAN, THEY REFUSE TO QUOTE THE REMAINING 98 PERCENT!!!!) and insist they are knowledgeable of the meaning of the verses and that they are not twisting the meaning the Quran. But when these lying racist hypocrites are told to read verses in the Bible like Matthew 10:34 or Ezekiel 9 and MANY OTHER VERSES, they cry foul. They say, "oh no, you cannot read it literally. There is a metaphorical meaning to what Jesus said when he said he did not come to bring peace or the sword". My question is, what part of it is metaphorical? The part when he alleged to have said that he did not come to bring peace really meant he came to bring peace or that the sword really means flowers and candies?
And don't forget the classic Ezekiel 9 where God orders people to murder men, women, children and the elderly all the name of God. But no, they either say that was the God of the OT or once again, that we cannot take these verses literally.
When these hypocrites are told that they are misinterpreting the Quran, they will often say that the Quran needs no interpretation and verses are meant to be taken literally. A whole science of interpreting the Quran called tafseer was developed in the early days of Islam just to deal with the fact that you cannot literally interpret every verse in the Quran, even the Quran says that there are verses that are "mutashabbihaat" (verses that are not clear in meaning; see the Quran 3:7). But those with hatred and ignorance do not care for the truth. They shifted they long standing and traditional hatred of blacks and picked a new enemy: the Muslims. The same ignorant traits shown by the Islamophobes can be seen by those who hate blacks and other non whites.
And getting back to Mrs. Malkin. Ethnically she is Filipino, but mentally she is as much of a white racists as any white racist. Being white is not confined to just the Caucasoids, and being a white racist is not just confined to the racist Caucasoids that are out there.
Hatred does not resolve problems but creates more problems. What is there in offending 1.5 billion people except in more hatred, more ignorance and more violence? Are these people sadists or what?"
This guy is leaving this whole post as a comment as I said, so use the links above to respond if you so desire. Their films are at their own site, www.ummahfilms.com as well as Google and of course at YouTube here. As for choosing "my take", I'd have preferred a more original one.
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expose the Islamophobes of who they are and what they are about
What's wrong with being an Islamophobe, anyway? It's a normal, healthy condition for some 5 billion people on this planet.
What a POST !!
Checked out his site .. unfathomable ignorance.
Been there, done that.
Love the 'black thing', actually funny
Yeah, stock BS for the most part. But they finally crossed a line in their latest video. The guy tells his conversion story (yeah right....as if he wasn't raised Muslim--"Baba Ali" I mean, not "Thinking Brother") and bashes other religions, especially Christianity, in those subtle code terms that Muslims use. "changed by man", "God can't die", etc.
Humorously enough, he also says he used to worship rocks and (I guess) crystals he wore around his neck. But he at one point says he used have no religion and worshipped rocks, but now has Islam. I almost giggled to death. Oh hell, it's Friday. Maybe he'll come over and stone me.
… who murdered over 200,000 civilians in Japan with a nuclear weapon, …
If only Muslims believed we were still capable of doing this … if only. If they did, they wouldn’t mock us. If they believe we hated them, they wouldn’t say that as if we’d recoil in horror. If they thought we were so bad, as they say we are, they’d behave very differently. They’d be groveling and pleading. They’d be trying to win our “hearts and minds.”
But, alas, we are in an appeasement mode and they think they can get away with such cheep manipulation.
They are ignorant of history.
Ok, you caught on to us, Thinking Brother.
Thinking Brother,
I agree with you that most of the people who are taking a stand against Islamofascism (in the American media world) are white. However, this blog is not the thing you criticize. We have people from all over the world contributing to this blog. I'm guessing our people from Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Somalia are not white, although I couldn't be sure, because I have never met them face to face.
If your name means that you are a black man, then you know that the American media chooses leaders of movements in very strange ways. For instance, what blackfolk really feel represented by Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson? It is my opinion, the media chose those leaders for blackfolk, and it seems to me that is an embarrassment to the black community.
Do you agree?
Anyway, we stand against radical Islam here. I define that as Islam which preaches the imposition of strict Sharia (stoning of homosexuals and adulterers), the wearing of the burqa, or hijab and second-class citizen status for women, and the suppression of free speech.
Surely, you don't stand for those things do you, Thinking Brother?
The thing is, you meant to offend with the way you came at us. So, I reacted to you sarcastically. Most people who come here and make offensive comments are not looking for a conversation. If you are, I'll engage you.
Now, back to your point about the majority of the people who are standing against Islam being white. That is true in the United States. However, I don't think you'll find that the people who speak out against Islam in places like Nigeria, Somalia, the Sudan, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, or the Phillipines are white.
You agree with me on that, right?
Some of your points about the Crusades are valid, but it is also true that the Popes who initiated the Crusades were legitimately upset by the fact that Muslims had conquered the Holy Land.
Much of the work of the Reformation was done by Christians. I think the work you refer to when you say non-Christians did the work of the Reformation is probably the Enlightenment, which is not the same as the Reformation, but can be seen as an extension of the same project. What it really was, though, was not a Reformation of Christianity, but a philosophical argument for the advance of secularization in society.
The Enlightenment took hold in Europe, and it did not take hold in the United States.
I think our respective histories speak for themselves.
Pastorius,
I do not see just a "stand against 'radical' Islam" here and elsewhere, but an all-out attack on Islam itself by mocking the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) which INSULTS ALL MUSLIMS, not just the "radical Islamists". I see here the implication that Muslims are these conniving liars who under "taqiyya" will say anything that will make themselves and Islam look good to the masses.
I see on this blog and elsewhere the "excuse" of using "taking a stand against 'radical Islam'" as a cover for their hatred of Muslims and Islam. If this were truly a stand against extremists, why attack the very beliefs of Islam and mocking our Prophet KNOWING it will create more hatred and even violence. To me that is the truly sadistic part of all of this to know that you are spreading hatred and causing more problems but not caring at all because hate, not the betterment of humanity is what drives folks to do this type of hate mongering.
Hatred never, ever created less hatred but more of it. It never created less violence but more of it. So mocking Muhammad (saaws) and calling Muslims fifth columnists who cannot be trusted because they are told to "lie in Islam" is not just attacking 'radical Islam" but Muslims and Islam itself and what purpose does it solve? Do people honestly believe that doing these things will help stop "radical Islam" dead in its tracks? As a matter of fact, many people who see Islam being mocked and attacked will see this as a provocation and create more excuse to justify their hatred of non Muslims who attack Islam! What is with you people who know this but still continue to do it?
The purpose of this blogs and others is to tell the world that Muslims are scum and they want to take over the world and we cannot trust them. "Radical Islam" is just a front you guys used to justify your hatred of all of Islam, but those who are keen and not naive know hatred not concern for your fellow man is what drives people who run sites like this.
We make fun of Islam, just like we would make fun of any other religion, or political institution, or business. Religion, business, and government are very powerful institutions, and therefore, they need to be criticized. A very effective form of popular criticism is humor. Nothing is above being mocked in a free society.
Some Muslims do use taqiyya. The Muslim Council of Britian is an example, in my opinion, because they claim to stand against terrorism, but then threaten that more terrorism will be unleashed if people criticize Islam.
You say that hatred never stopped hatred. I don't know that that is true. Radical Islamism is not the equivalent of Nazism, but it is a threat every bit as terrible, in my opinion. We ought to hate Hitler and everything he and the Nazis stood for. Our hatred of that ideology allowed us to do unspeakable acts in WWII, which allowed us to beat the German army.
Mocking Islam will not defeat radical Islamists, but it will smoke them out. Decent Muslims will understand and will not resort to threats of violence. Radical Islamists will try to incite violence, and then we will know who they are, and where they stand.
I attempted to answer each of the points you made in your comment.
"Thinking Brother", and I put that in quotes for a reason, what right do you have to tell me that I have no right to hate Islam? All of Islam? I am a free Western woman. You would put me in chains. All of you. ("Decent Muslims" are those who do not follow the letter of that religion -- in your eyes, apostates.) There is nothing in your religion that would do me the slightest good, and if for that reason I choose to despise it, what gives you the idea that you have the right to do anything to me in retaliation? I certainly don't care about your opinion, why should I? Any answers you give will be rooted in the notion of your god, in whom I do not believe, thus making any discussions rather circular.
I do not care what happened during the Crusades because for one thing I am not a Christian, and for another they took place over 700 years ago. That Muslims still seeth over what happened 700 years ago merely displays their immaturity, tribalism, and dangerous obsession with "righting" ancient and irrelevant "wrongs".
I didn't give much thought one way or the other to Islam until 9/11/2001. Since then I have educated myself and have learned to loath it. What is my alternative, TB? Embrace supernaturalist beliefs that I do not share? Atavistic notions of women as slaves to men? Violence towards those who do not agree with me? What is it about Muslims I am supposed to become so preoccupied with "respecting"? I see nothing of ourstanding quality in your culture. If anything, learning more about it has made me appreciate mine even more. And why would I not mock the Prophet Muhammad? He was a vicious killer, a raper of children, an abuser of women, and an arrogant sociopath obsessed with establishing the rule of his imaginary god by force. Do you think the fact that you'd like to cut off my head for saying this makes me "respect" you? You cannot claim respect when you offer nothing to be respected for.
And don't keep playing the race card, it is childish and petulant. You can't come up with any evidence to support it and you know that, you just use it for its PC value. PC doesn't work on us. Go peddle that to the Leftards.
By the way 200,000 Japanese died in our nuclear attacks because there were those in our government who recognized the implacable evil of the Japanese emperor, his government and his military leaders, who intended to lure us into a land battle in the hopes that our losses would be so great we would sue for peace leaving them with at least some of their ill-gotten gains. Fortunately for us -- I might not be here had my father been sent to fight in Japan -- our president Truman had the courage to take the proper action. When the time comes for the decisive fight with Islamo-fascism, I hope will will have men of that caliber on our side.
(Excuse me, Pastorius, but since when did the Enlightenment not take hold in America?)
RevereRidesAgain,
My comment about the Enlightenment not taking hold in America was not very well phrased. What I meant is that the Enlightenment is the sense of:
"... the historical intellectual movement The Enlightenment, which advocated Reason as a means to establishing an authoritative system of aesthetics, ethics, government, and logic, which, they supposed, would allow human beings to obtain objective truth about the universe"
has not taken hold in the absolute sense in which it has in Europe. In America, we believe in Reason, to be sure, but our ethics are also founded on the Judeo-Christian idea.
For instance, in the argument of reason vs. Judeo-Christian morality we find that reason would call for euthanasia, while J-C morality would argue for the sacredness of life. I think both inform our discussion in America. In Europe, where the J-C morality informs public opinion much less, we see Euthanasia already becoming prevalent in Holland.
Does that make sense?
Pastorius,
It is interesting to note that now you concede that you are not just making fun of "radical Islam" but Islam itself. I thought you guys weren't honest...
At any rate, there is no redeeming value in spreading hatred and paranoia. If you guys truly had an issue with "radical Islam", you will try everything to make sure that "radical Islam" does not win converts. Now bashing Islam is not helping you guys at all, as a matter of fact, it is making what you call "radical Islam" even stronger.
So why do it? Because you are motivated by hatred not a sincere concern to rid the world of extremism. Bashing religions creates more extremism not less, so you guys are proving to the whole world that hate not peace is what motivates you.
Revere,
I am sure that in Europe, where in some countries allow the "age of consent" to be young as 12, you will not even dare to call these countries "pedophile countries" because they are not Muslim or non white. Check out it out here: www.ageofconsent.com
Also, for over 1400 years, the issue of the marriage to Aishah was never an issue except in the last 10 years. Even the harshest critics of Islam never attacked him on this issue because the issue was not something socially unacceptable at the time, even in all places Europe.
And you damn right I am playing the race card. Nine out of 10 Islamophobes are white in a world where whites make a small minority of the world's poulation is no coincidence. It is a racist trait inherited from your European ancestors which still drives you everyday to wake up in the morning and figure out more ways to spread more hatred.
And it was Islam that liberated women from sex objects to human beings to people who were not allowed to read books like the Bible to being scholars and teachers. The Church use to regard women as less than human and even agents of the devil and it is the Bible who blames Eve for the downfall of man while the Quran blames Satan who seduced Adam and Eve to sin.
And when I tell about how Islam liberates people from ignorance and make them pious, etc., they tell me about the verses of Jihad in the Quran, all to which they take out of context and where it was in regards to SPECIFIC BATTLES and not general. If you added up all the verses, they would make less than 2 percent. You of course ignore the 98 percent where it says to do good deeds, do not sin, respect and love your brothers and sisters, help, give charity, defending the rights of ALL people (regardless of religion), etc.
Yes, Thinking Brother, I admit, I am not very consistent with my words.
Here's how I think of it in my own personal life. I know Muslims who are very nice people. I like them. Some are my friends.
That's my personal feelings.
Now, here's my political opinion. I know of no Islamic political organization, media outlet, academic institution, or government, of any appreciable size, anywhere in the Islamic world, which is moderate.
The United Nations Report on Human Development 2004 pointed out the problems in Arab countries, for instance. In the years 1990-2000 the whole Arab world applied for and received only about 370 patents. In the same period of time, the little country of South Korean applied for and received over 16,000 patents.
This is not because Arabs are stupid. Far from it. We see in America that Arabs do very well in the sciences and in business.
But, a culture permeated with Islam is a backward culture. There are no Islamic countries which are thriving.
Do I think it has to remain this way? No. But, Muslims are going to have to open up to free speech, because it is the foundation of critical thinking, which is the first step in the scientific method.
Anyway, until then, I will make fun of Islam, because Islam needs to be criticized, as I said in my first comment to you.
Why is it that you don't respond to the things I say? When you make a point, I acknowledge it. Have you noticed that?
My point that Islam ( and all religions) needs to be open to criticism is a valid point. Don't you think?
If not, well then, at least we each know where the other is coming from.
I respond to points I feel are worthy of responding to. I am not ignoring your other points, I am in the mood to respond to something that does not require my rebuttal.
I have successful PROVEN that people like yourself do not just pick on what you call is "radical Islam" but Islam itself. This proves that your motives is not to try to eradicate "radical Islam" but to spread hatred of Islam and Muslims under the guise of criticizing "radical Islam". Your own words admit to this very fact.
So why bother to even debate you further when your motivations is not understanding and resolutions of the problems we all face today but just promoting hatred? Your actions is causing what you call "radical Islam" to spread even further!
The sad thing is that you know it and continue to do it. Why, because you hate and hatred is not about creating peace and understanding.
Debating you guys is easier than I thought...
"Your actions is causing what you call "radical Islam" to spread even further! "
Sorry, but radical islam is spread by oil money since THAT pays for the further teachings of Qutb and other freaks like Khomeini in each new generation.
When the hate speech of certain Hadiths and suras can be successfully refuted every single day by the conscience of muslims REPELLED by it's racism and violence without them having to worry abot being tagged as apostates, Islam will be no longer be viewed the way it compells it's current view.
If americans who happen not to be muslims, point out the violence and hate and racism being taught to children, JUST AS WE DID WITH THE KKK, we are accused of being condemnatory toward all muslims, and the teaching goes on. If we do nothing the teaching goes on.
It is incumbent on those who tolerate such teachings to recognize and change. If such teachings cannot be changed - it IS Huntington, just as we eradicated the KKK.
We don't cause radical Islam by objecting to radical Islam.
We are making sure the sun shines on hate, incitement to violence and intolerance, just as we did to other forms of it. If that inflames those who teach hate... that is part of the price of letting it get a foothold to begin with.
Insisting that the Quran and Hadiths contain no racism or incitement to violence destroys any possible conversation, the conversation must center on HOW such teachings can be refuted, and HOW an immutable document can be viewed in alternate ways
Renounce the hate speech hadiths as a start, and then turn a morally conscienced eye on certain suras.
No one believes muslims are evil. We DO believe there is a problem with the book and the teachings since that which is imutable is forever fixed, and in it ARE racism and violence, Just as there is in the bible, but only this week I I attended a seminar on this book in which we discussed what could be real or not, and when certain parts were written, or accurate and the meaning of contradictory portions.
When muslims publish books like this, and can dissect the Quran historically as accurate or not in fact, without fear, as a document and discuss it as the word of man or not, we will be in a different place. Until then, an immutable racist statement in these documents must logically stand equal to valuable statements of mercy and justice, and can be used by morons throughout time and place to do what evil requires and call it the will of God, and cannot be refuted.
TB, Epaminondas has a much more even temperament than I do, so I'm not going to try to match his excellent arguments because frankly I think arguing with petulant children is a waste of time. All you have done in this discussion so far is kick your feet and scream your self-serving "racism-hate" mantra.
And do try to learn English some day, TB. I'm sure "this proves that your motives is" and "your motivations is" and "you damn right" constitute pride speech amongst your associates, but it does not exactly make you sound like an intellectual force to be reckoned with.
One thing, however: Do not lecture me about Islam "liberating" women from anything. That statement is an insult to every woman on the face of the earth. I liberated myself from Christian dogma you claim is so oppressive many years ago. I do not have to live in fear of my life because of it as is the case for, say, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Wafa Sultan, who have rejected Islam. But then, Muslim men like you have no interest in "liberating" women, only in dominating them. Making women "pious" in the religion of Islam means throwing a burka-tent over their lives and enslaving them to Islamic men. Claiming to "liberate" them is the worst sort of hypocrisy.
(Pastorius, I think we got more of the Enlightenment here than you do, but I do understand your argument.)
Epa,
I won't argue with the guy anymore, because he does not acknowledge points or questions put to him. He has now made it clear his only goal is to prove that we are "racists" filled with hate.
Well, he made his point, and declared himself the victor, so there you go.
Indeed, he told me on his site there was nothing to respond to since there is no racism or hate in the Quran.
Pathetic.
It's all dialectic. Charlatan debating tactics dressed up as religous logic and if anything it drives the wedge deeper.
I would LOVE to be one on one, privately with muslims here, not to win a debate but to have an HONEST FREE discussion, and get past the initial kumbaya then yelling stages to see if a meeting of minds is possible. I suspect not. But hey, who better than the cynically skeptical to begin?
revere-- I've been doing this in gulf arab forums for about five years. Plenty of lost temper by me there among those to whom Qutb is a hero.
Heroic Dreamer and Thinking Brother,
I'm putting a stop to this conversation.
I understand the points now. We are, in TB's opinion, hateful I got it. He's got his opinion and I've got mine, and everyone else has theirs.
I left TB's comment clarifying his opinion on what the Koran says about Jews up because I thought it was a new idea. It's a good one. I can live with that.
But, I don't want to just run over the same old ground over and over, because people start to get angry and irrational at that point.
Ah, fuck it. I'll put the comments back up. I took them down because Heroic Dreamer said "I have no interest in getting to know Muslims," and Thinking Brother said, "You can't tell Muslims anything."
It seems to me that at that point in the conversation, we're not getting anywhere, but I guess I don't want to start censoring at this point.
My policy up to now has been to only remove comments when they are libellous, threatening, or racist.
So, let me say I am sorry and here are the comments from Heroic Dreamer and Thinking Brother:
The thinking brother:
I have absolutely no interest in getting to know the muslims. I do not want them telling me what I can and cannot do.
As I said before, I do not like bullies. And I'm not going to forfeit my right of free speech because some idiot muslim threatens violence. That's called blackmail.
On a little different topic: Are you aware that you frame your thoughts around race? You seem fixated on race.
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Posted by Heroic Dreamer to Infidel Bloggers Alliance at 10/14/2006 08:07:22 PM
Heroic,
Mocking extremism is one thing, mocking Islam is another. If you know that insulting a belief that over a billion people find sacred will cause violence and other problems and you still do it, that is a sign of pure sadistic hatred and disregard for the safety of others.
You can't tell Muslims anything. You tell them don't get pissed and you hate Islam, you think they are going to listen to you?
The idiotic nature of Islamophobes makes them clueless to the reality. Many of the Islamophobes are people we see on a daily basis who never say anything to Muslims in person. It's all on the Internet and that is weird. If you want to really know Muslims, read, go to the mosques, interact with Muslim families, etc., and not just read anti Islamic websites and befriend fellow Islamophobes and insist you got the Muslims and their religion figured out.
I'm so called "fixated" on race because that is the reality! Whites make a small minority in the world's population but make the overwhelming majority Islamophobes even since the Crusades. Coincidence, of course not.
Do the math. You are in serious denial of the reality. Why don't I ever see the same venomous hatred from black preachers and missionaries as I do from white missionaries and preachers who bash Islam? Tell me, please.
Whites have historically been more racist than other races. It was just a few decades ago that many whites were openly racist against blacks; now, they shifted their open racism of blacks to now their open racism of Muslims because it is "okay" and you can "get away with it without having the same backlash if you are racists against blacks". Racists just seem to can't stop being racists...
"Why don't I ever see the same venomous hatred from black preachers and missionaries as I do from white missionaries and preachers who bash Islam?"
Your very premises are completely false TB...your have constructed for yourself a self laudatory world or circular logic not based in objective reality.
THIS took 10 seconds to finds. There are far more
Scoured is a crock...that's your conclusion.
10 seconds, >2000 hits...
The fact is EVERY SINGLE PREMISE you have posited has been facutally rejected, not by refernce to any faith, but by iron hard facts of current events and history.
Remaining by FAR as the most significant item, AS YOU ADMIT, is your PERSONAL refusal to refute, and recant purely racist and violence inciting statements in the Hadiths (let alone the suras)..without this, buddy, it's HUNTINGTON, and it HAS to be Huntingdon since I promise you... I PROMISE YOU sooner or later one of the people (probably a family member of one of those slughtered, such as in Seattle, by sudden jihadi syndrome) will, just as was done agasint aryan nation and the KKK, turn those hadiths ,and suras against the teaching of it in the USA.
Think about that.
The board of that mosque will be PERSONALLY responsible. Those who contributed moneys... responsible.
You can complete the chain from there.
You can't teach racism and hate which results in violent crime in the USA.
That is where what YOU PERSONALLY have refused to condemn have, do, and will continue to BREAK THE LAWS of the USA, and will pay civiliiy JUST as the KKK did. The clock is ticking NOW.
Stone and the Tree, 9:29, 5:82, just search for references for jews in the hadiths and Sura ...
Have a nice day...it's a racist book. It cannot stand in the USA as such. Not without change.
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