A few days ago in The Corner, I mentioned the South Yorkshire Police, who sat outside watching as a young couple and their children burned to death, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who sat outside a Greyhound bus for four hours watching a cannibal slice body parts off his victim and eat them. Now from Binghamton:
One receptionist was killed, while the other, shot in the abdomen, pretended to be dead and then crawled under a desk and called 911, he said.
Police said they arrived within two minutes...
Police heard no gunfire after they arrived but waited for about an hour before entering the building to make sure it was safe for officers.
What's the point of calling 911 if they arrive within two minutes and then sit outside for the rest of the day to "make sure it's safe"?
At the Dawson College shooting in Montreal a couple of years ago, a couple of officers happened on the scene to investigate an unrelated drugs incident, called for back-up, entered the building with guns drawn, and shot the shooter — all in three minutes.
If you ever have to call 911, it may be worth requesting that kind of service rather than the world's most heavily armed and lavished equipped yellow-tape installers.
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Let me get this straight: You don't want me to be able to bust caps to save myself, but you're not going to do it for me, either? Thanks so much for the concern. What am I paying y'all to do, again, exactly? As Marko is so fond of pointing out, the only thing that stops a spree killer is a gun. The body count is determined by whether the gun is already on the scene or needs to be carried there in the holster of a cop.
She gets cranky about this sort of thing. Me too. But you already know how I feel about cops standing around trying to figure out what the hell to do while the media breathlessly reports every fucking shot they hear
"Brian, Brian I believe, hello, Brian, yes I believe we just heard another shot. It could have been an automobile backfiring but I don't think so. Officer, Lt Smith. What's the --oh there's another one-- what's the situation?"
"Well, obviously, we have an active shooter inside and we're waiting for the SWAT team to arrive and take tactical positions before sending in officers. We don't want to endanger any more lives than we have to at this point"
"There you have -- OH ANOTHER! That sounded like what they call a double tap!-- it Brian. America's finest on the scene making the situation as safe as possible."
11 comments:
some officers are cowards some are not.
some departments have institutionalized rules dictating cowardice some have not.
thier was a spree killer in goergia or alabama a week or so ago (some small town..) in an old folks home
the arriving officer went in alone confronted the killer and shot it out with him. and ended it.
HE WENT IN ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
some have balls of steel some should find a different line of work.
Agreed, rumcrook. I think I read about that one in the South last week.
But at Virginia Tech I remember either watching live or seeing footage police were on the scene standing around scratching their heads and asses while some lady reporter stood there and said I think we just heard another shot is that what that was?
This is exactly what happened here in Israel at the massacre at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in Jerusalem. A police officer hung around the entrance while another looked for backup or something. Meanwhile, a Pali terrorist was murdering high school-aged students inside. An IDF officer heard the shots and ran with his weapon into the school and shot the terrorist, preventing further bloodshed.
What the hell are the police rules of engagement for? The police have a duty to act swiftly to protect the victims from danger, even at the cost of their own lives. Some do have the guts, like the hero of the senior center.
"Well I mean they must be dead by now anyway, right"
"Why take a chance?"
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The last thing these loonies should hear ANYWHERE is the sound of a reload by their expected victims.
All mad dogs.
When I heard about how the SWAT team waited to go in, I was pissed.
I wondered, what if I, my family or one of my friends had been in there waiting to be saved.
This needs to be looked into and if policies need to be changed, so be it.
People are depending on law enforcement to save their lives. Not stand outside, trying to save their own.
Ashan -- at the Yeshiva shooting what has been little reported by the mainstreamis that an armed student (student = mid-40's) actually first wounded and stopped the attack, getting wounded in the process. The officer who did indeed run in with weapon drawn then finished it.
Yitzchak Dadon -- the student -- has been described as just a student, off duty IDF, former IDF so I'm not sure which is correct.
The point is HE WAS AN ARMED CIVILIAN WHO STOPPED THE ATTACK AND PREVENTED FURTHER BLOODSHED BECAUSE HE HAD A PERSONAL SIDEARM ON HIM.
Just like Jeanne Assam.
Don't rely on the police to keep you safe. They are not obligated to do so. A Supreme Court ruling some time ago stated as such (I'll see if I can find it).
You are responsible for your own safety.
Here's one of many links about the myth of police protection
http://www.psacake.com/dial_911.asp
incidentally, it wasn't a Supreme Court ruling but many sammler court rulings over the years.
Upshot -- they are there to investigate crime, not stop it, to protect the rights of the criminal/suspect etc. They have no legal obligation to rush into a burning building or engage an active shooter.
Moral obligation is a different matter.
Montreal has the lowest crime rate of all Canadian cities:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/12/30/mtl-homicide-rate-1230.html
In a population of several millions the odd loon is statistically inevitable. Combined with depression and economic instability maybe the number of shootings will probably rise.
Andre, what are the gun laws like in Canada? (I ask for info sake, I really don't know) Here in the U.S. what doesn't get reported much is that when it is made easier for people to carry a firearm, the crime rate goes down, presumably because the cretins don't know if the next person they pick on will hit back, so to speak.
People want to go straight to apoplectic when something like this happens but you need only look at the Jeanne Assam's, Yitschak Dadon's and such to see trained armed civilians prevent furhte bloodshed.
I'm not sure either about the gun laws because I never felt the need to have one. I know, however that the Dawson shooter acquired his guns legally, he attended several shooting clubs and passed the psychological tests.
I'm only assuming here but I believe that guns can only be bought from hunting/shooting clubs, you have to pass some tests and your name enters in a government database as a gun owner. But this is only an assumption.
Sure the people go bananas over this kind of shootings, it is normal, but I think Canada has a different tradition over this matter so owning or bearing a gun is not such a big deal for us. I have to emphasize this is only my perception after living here for 7 years.
Gotcha. Thank you very much. I just saw a piece on MSNBC. My reaction -- whoo boy -- is just posted :)
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