and,
we have had a Brit contributor take us to task over the idea that America ought to have control over Internet Protocol.
Neither our German contributor, nor the Brit contributor had thought through the issue, nor did they have any apparent access to much of the information surrounding the issues.
Good job, Euros.
Ease up on the anti-Americanism.
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The Euros seemingly have bigger fish to fry right now than getting their usual anti-Yankee digs in. The Irish have approved the Lisbon Treaty in a second referendum, further entrenching the powers of the unaccountable EU bureaucracy in Brussels at the expense of national sovereignty and democracy.
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i´m european and i don´t like that america is loosing the control of internet.
damn it! what´s happening with you americans??
was Icann infiltrated??
Hey, any Euros who are happy America is ceding control over Internet Protocol should only ponder the tower of babble that is the UN, which is permanently disabled by the monolithic voting bloc of the OIC, and their backers China and Russia, who are using the OIC to weaken the US and the West in general.
Additionally, you ought to ponder the fact that you are getting your way. Obama is throwing America into a sewer.
Your wishes are his command all you America-haters.
When America is no longer exception the OIC and China and Russia will control you. No more gay Berlin discos for you, weenies.
Hear! Hear!
"But, the blood is on the hands of all you appeasing anti-American a-holes.
Fuck you."
Pasto: is this directed at me simply because I (a) was not aware that America owned the world wide web and (b)thought it was/should be owned by no one in particular.
How do you deduce that I was being anti American, which I certainly was and am not?
If it was directed at me, and I hope it was not because it is extremely offensive then I suggest you think again and answer my comment on the original posting properly.
On the question of the WWW I believe that it cannot possibly be owned due to the nature of it but it would be good to disconnect all hostile regimes if that were possible or at the very least a worldwide block on all jihadist sites may suffice.
Ray,
No, you're not an appeaser.
However, I would say that when you give in to the notion that it is preposterous that America ought to be the arbitrers of Internet Protocol, you are giving in to the same notion that leads to the Tower of Babel that is the UN, and that will lead to a degeneration of the West in general,
AS IT ALREADY HAS.
This removal of sole authority of IP from the US is a disaster.
It is an abomination.
It is a star which has died, and it will take a few years for you to see that the light has gone out.
Ray,
You said: On the question of the WWW I believe that it cannot possibly be owned due to the nature of it but it would be good to disconnect all hostile regimes if that were possible or at the very least a worldwide block on all jihadist sites may suffice.
I say: So, if a UN type body controls IP, then who is going to pull the plug on hostile regimes?
We can't even agree to stop genocide in Sudan (2.6 million christians and counting) or to stop the Iranian nuke.
So, who would pull the plug, if it were not the US?
Please give me that answer. If you have a reasonable answer then I will apologize, but you have not offered an answer. You simply scoffed at the notion that the US ought to be in control of Internet Protocol.
"You simply scoffed at the notion that the US ought to be in control of Internet Protocol"
So, you think the US should be able to bring pull the plug on a worldwide resource. You think the US owns the internet. Unbelievable!
On a nation to nation basis if the UK wants to shut out the rest of the world during an emergency for instance then it should be able to do so as should any other country but there is no way the US should be able to make that decision for us.
Hi Ray,
I will respond by repeating the information I provided in the other thread. Within this information, you will clearly see that I admitted that there is no way the US can "own" the internet.
The question is, instead, should Internet Protocol be arbitrated by the US, or by some world body?
Pastorius said...
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_the_Internet
The Internet was originally developed by DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, as a means to share information on defense research between involved universities and defense research facilities. Originally it was just email and FTP sites as well as the Usenet where scientists could question and answer each other. It was originally called ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork). The concept was developed starting in 1964, and the first messages passed were between UCLA and the Stanford Research Institute in 1969. Leonard Kleinrock of MIT had published the first paper on packet switching theory in 1961. Since networking computers was new to begin with, standards were being developed on the fly. Once the concept was proven, the organizations involved started to lay out some ground rules for standardization.
One of the most important was the communications protocol, TCP/IP, developed by Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn in 1974. Robert Metcalfe is credited with Ethernet which is the basic communication standard in networked computers.
Tim Berners-Lee perhaps specified technological applicability and / or linguistic construction of HTML while working at CERN, is chiefly credited for the ease of use and wide public adoption of the web. His website is: w3.org
Al Gore really did have a substantial part in the US legal framework and governmental issues related to the internet He never said he invented it.
There wasn't just ONE person that invented the internet. The internet is just a way to view files and information that someone puts onto a server. The internet is just a way to access the information.
Although there's a guy named Leonard Kleinrock who was the first person to write a paper on the idea of packet switching which is essential for internet to work. He wrote this idea in 1961.
And here are a couple more people that were essential to what we call internet today without these guys there wouldn't be The Internet.
Larry G. Roberts created the first functioning long-distance computer networks in 1965 and designed the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET), the seed from which the modern Internet grew, in 1966.
Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf invented the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) which moves data on the modern Internet, in 1972 and 1973. If any two people "invented the Internet," it was Kahn and Cerf - but they have publicily stated that "no one person or group of people" invented the Internet.
Radia Perlman invented the spanning tree algorithm in the 1980s. Her spanning tree algorithm allows efficient bridging between separate networks. Without a good bridging solution, large-scale networks like the Internet would be impractical.
Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:27:00 PM
Pastorius said...
CERN
The World Wide Web began as a CERN project called ENQUIRE, initiated by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989 and Robert Cailliau in 1990.[9] Berners-Lee and Cailliau were jointly honored by the Association for Computing Machinery in 1995 for their contributions to the development of the World Wide Web.
Berners-Lee was British, but he was a professor at MIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN
Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:29:00 PM
Pastorius said...
Berners-Lee did not invent the internet. He invented the World Wide Web:
The World Wide Web is a system of interlinked hypertext documents accessed via the Internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web
Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:31:00 PM
Pastorius said...
ICANN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN
ICANN (pronounced /aɪkæn/, eye-can) is the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Headquartered in Marina Del Rey, California, United States, ICANN is a non-profit corporation that was created on September 18, 1998 and incorporated September 30, 1998[1] in order to oversee a number of Internet-related tasks previously performed directly on behalf of the U.S. government by other organizations, notably the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA).
ICANN's tasks include responsibility for Internet Protocol (IP) address space allocation, protocol identifier assignment, generic (gTLD) and country code (ccTLD) top-level domain name system management, and root server system management functions. More generically, ICANN is responsible for managing the assignment of domain names and IP addresses. To date, much of its work has concerned the introduction of new generic top-level domains (TLDs). The technical work of ICANN is referred to as the IANA function.
ICANN's primary principles of operation have been described as helping preserve the operational stability of the Internet; to promote competition; to achieve broad representation of global Internet community; and to develop policies appropriate to its mission through bottom-up, consensus-based processes.[2]
You did write about pulling the plug however, and anyway would anyone want an Obama administration getting involved in control of the WWW?
Protocol is another matter.
Ray,
You said ... anyway would anyone want an Obama administration getting involved in control of the WWW?
I say: Now, that's a good point.
Thing is, ICAAN is a private non-profit corporation. It has every reason to continue to function as it has done in the past.
It would be hard for Obama to take control of ICAAN, except I guess under Emergency Powers. Even then, he is mediated by Congress and the Courts.
Obama is not yet a dictator, and I doubt he ever will accomplish such ends. Not in America.
Here's something I think you and I can agree upon. England and the United States have the most stable governments in the world.
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