Friday, November 13, 2009

A belief in man-made climate change is a 'fundamentalist religion'

So says Prof Ian Plimer, climate change sceptic. In my view his arguments against CO2 being the cause of global warming are the most convincing so far.

1. The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has no effect on climate above 50 parts per million (ppm).

Prof Plimer rejects the argument that the increased concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from its pre-industrial (1750AD) level of about 270 ppm to today's level of about 380 ppm, has begun to affect the world's change.

In an interview with ABN Newswire in June he said: "Carbon dioxide has an effect on the atmosphere and it has an effect for the first 50 parts per million and once it's done its job then it's finished and you can double it and quadruple it and it has no effect because we've seen that in the geological past, and we've seen it in times gone by when the carbon dioxide content was 100 times the current content. We didn't have runaway global warming, we actually had glaciation."

On Thursday he said: "If we had only had warming, then there would be a connect between CO2 and temperature; there is not."

Water vapour is responsible for about 96 per cent of the greenhouse effect, he has argued, a theme consistent among climate change sceptics.

Most climate scientists argue there is a correlation between CO2 and global mean temperatures, pointing to evidence from air trapped deep in the polar ice that gives a snapshot of the atmosphere thousands of years ago.

2. Extraterrestrial events like solar flares have driven major climate change episodes in the geological past

He has said: "It's got nothing to do with the atmosphere, it's about what happens in the galaxy."
Promotional material for his controversial book Heaven + Earth reads: "Climate has always been driven by the Sun, the Earth's orbit and plate tectonics and the oceans, atmosphere and life respond."

Most climate change scientists argue that changes in the atmosphere have been fundamental to changing global temperatures throughout the planet's history.

3. Global warming should be welcome because humans 'thrive' in a warmer planet
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4. Climate change scientists push global warming theory because it is good for their careers

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5. A belief in man-made climate change is a 'fundamentalist religion'

He has described people's belief in anthropogenic climate change as "a fundamentalist religion adopted by urban atheists looking to fill a yawning spiritual gap plaguing the West".

Well. I'll be . . . . didn't we have a court case just a week or so ago when someone won a court case over unfair dismissal on the grounds that his beliefs in global warming etc were his religion?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Could the belief that climate change is not caused by man also be a religion?

If so, sign me up

Pastorius said...

Ray,
Plimer says: Water vapour is responsible for about 96 per cent of the greenhouse effect, he has argued, a theme consistent among climate change sceptics.


I say: If this is true, then Hydrogen Cars will truly cause "Greenhouse Effect" because the exhaust/by-product of burning hydrogen is WATER.

Anonymous said...

ROFLM(head)O, Pastorius


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Ray Boyd said...

"I say: If this is true, then Hydrogen Cars will truly cause "Greenhouse Effect" because the exhaust/by-product of burning hydrogen is WATER."

Hardly. The output of a hydrogen fueled car would literally be a drop in the ocean, compared with all the water on earth.

Pastorius said...

Ray, Los Angeles is a very dense city and it is absolutely dependent on cars. Unless you had been here you would not understand the problem.

Also, I have personally witnessed Palm Desert go from arid to humid over the past 25 years. Why? Because they have built hundreds of golf courses, which they water incessantly.

Ray Boyd said...

The water vapour is very high in the atmosphere and is formed from evaporation of the oceans etc. Hydrogen fueled cars emit small amounts of water, not vapour. The water would evaporate.

On the other hand, who knows some say the sun is causing warming. CO2 has always been around and can be shown to increase as a result of warming not to actually cause the warming.

I'm not a believer, I'm a sceptic of the official line as I believe it is a means to other ends.

Pastorius said...

Apparently you have some knowledge of hydrogen cars that I don't have. I thought they breathed out exhaust like other cars. Are you saying they don't?

Pastorius said...

By the way, I also assumed the exhausted would be warmed, after all the fuel has to be burned.

If it is warm then the water would be vapor.