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Sunday, March 14, 2010

The New Racist Right

From David Frum's Frum Forum:

The problem with the conservative movement, say the founders of the new webzine, Alternative Right, is that conservatives no longer want to ‘go there’.

“The conservative establishment is… brain dead,” said contributing editor and VDARE.com proprietor Peter Brimelow. “We’re trying to do something cutting-edge,” says editor Richard Spencer.

That’s all well and good, save the fact that the cutting-edge ideas that Alternative Right seeks to promote are actually tired, reactionary ideas that harken back to when people found out there were other races. In fact, their new ideas include concepts that the right largely exorcised fifty years ago, like denying women the right to vote.

The site’s frustration lies in their view that white, male conservatives lack the courage to address issues of sex and race with a sense of superiority. “There are races who, on average, are going to be superior,” says Spencer, with implication in tow.

The problem with conservatism today is that, as Spencer puts it, “the conservative establishment is full of politically correct purists” who lack the courage to take up the mantle of what should be a white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant America.

It’s tremendously ironic that Alternative Right’s charge against the conservative movement is political correctness, when they themselves hide their sexist and racist ideologies behind the gloss of sweet-sounding, pseudo-intellectual terms.

Instead of spouting racism, Alternative Right is engaging in the much more respectable-sounding analysis of ‘human biological diversity’ and ‘socio-biology’.

Rather than railing against the beast that is first-wave feminism, Richard Spencer’s magazine is actually writing about ‘paleo-masculinity’.

He’s not reactionary – he’s a ‘radical traditionalist’; He’s not castigating race X’s culture – he’s being ‘literary’.

What makes this all the more ironic is that, despite his critique of the right, Spencer was strikingly skittish when I asked if his goal was to make conservatism more ‘racially conscious’. “Racially-conscious? That’s a little bit of a ‘hot word’,” said Spencer.

The academic-sounding terminology might be impressive if backed up with anything but hysterics. Instead, Spencer comes out with statements like:

I would actually oppose mass Japanese immigration for the reason that they would most likely push out my children from getting into college. We might have a new Asian ruling class.

And that having women in the workplace contributes to:

… the wussification of society [and] an economy [that is] far more tame, bureaucratized and far less entrepreneurial.

It’s tough to classify Alternative Right’s ideology as either left or right, when really the ideas belong in some sort of padded room.

Spencer, however, plants his feet squarely in the right’s camp. “We are on the right in some fundamental way,” says Spencer, before admitting that his ideas have been “outside of the bounds of respectable left and right as it has been defined over the last fifty years.”

Exorcised from the mainstream decades ago, where does Alternative Right fit in now?

Spencer is not a Paul-istinian, for Ron Paul too suffers from the failings of political correctness. “Ron Paul is really not a man who is going to discuss some of these more ‘literary’ issues. He’s not going to discuss, say, America as a Western European or Anglo-Saxon Protestant nation,” Spencer says.

Despite this, the website does have a lot in common with the anti-war libertarians. “The right is still in love with war, and talk of spreading democracy…. I think there are people who basically have conservative values and want nothing to do with [this concept],” says Spencer.

That said, Alternative Right is not a libertarian site. “The state is necessary [to stop] immigration – people are not interchangeable… America is not going to be America if it is Hispanicized,” says Spencer.

Are they paleo-conservatives? No. “Sadly, a lot of paleo[-conservatives] now… have actually denounced human biological diversity. Paleo-conservatism is now irrelevant,” declares Spencer.

The website’s prevailing ideology doesn’t even fit within the category of white nationalism, or so Spencer claims. However, he stalled when asked to point out a few differences between his site and a white nationalist site.

“We’re going to talk about literary things, about culture,” said Spencer after some hesitation.

In other words – they’re going to be white nationalists, but, by God, they’re going to be a little fancy about it.

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Blogger jeppo said...

Well, in the interests of fair and balanced reportage, here is Richard Spencer's reply to Tim Mak.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:17:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Pastorius,

So they're both racists and sexist pigs? These guys give conservatives a bad name. There's certainly nothing wrong with standing up for our culture and our values, but culture and race are not the same thing. Even gender, which is inherently more meaningful than race, is still not something that can be used to accurately judge an individual. Yes, when it comes to behavior, men and women may have different behavioral tendencies due to hormones, but you can't say that all women will between nurturing or all men will be aggressive for example.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:39:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

VDARE always gave me that nervous feeling. Sort of like if you had a slice of bologna in your sneakers and you had no socks on.

Now we use the olympic finals dominated by blacks to 'reason' that races are different?

Even better, check out the NBA.
HAH proof!
I mean even if we bred for athletes via slavery killing off weak and small black people THAT JUST PROVES IT.

I mean, killing jews off, pogromming them, and expelling them repeatedly during the middle ages only left the craftiest and most cunning of those able to handle portable wealth (money), right?

PROOF! HAH

I have one more proof. White anglo's by doing all this bred themselves to be stupider and stupider, and more and more racist, just look at 'alternative right' where inner compulsion and a 4 year or advanced degree are PROOF they can think.

"I would actually oppose mass Japanese immigration for the reason that they would most likely push out my children from getting into college. We might have a new Asian ruling class."

Darwin in reverse. Let's make america as stupid as we can and claim .. hey, the races are different anyway, fuggedaboutit!

These people are not conservatives. They are to conservatism what Ibn Tamiyya was to Syrians.

ETERNAL POISON

Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:59:00 pm  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Sometimes I really do see no difference between what the media labels the fringe Right and those on the overt fringe Left.

They're both the same animal of totalitarianism.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:09:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Mah29001,

Actually though, unlike your stereotypical modern leftist, these guys are not pro feminism and they are probably also homophobic. Although Nazism, may not have truly been right wing, most modern leftists are not racists. This group may not be right wing either, but it doesn't mean that they like the fact the Barrack Obama is our president, regardless of the fact that he is a leftist, and a radical one by American standards. Off course their disliking of him, is probably largely because he's not white. That said, I think that trying to put everyone into the left wing or right wing box maybe fallacious. Many libertarians will tell you that they are neither right wing nor left wing.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:35:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frum is doing the lefts work again. Claiming the the right is intolerant and not inclusive enough then when you discover they actually are, smear the whole right based on a fringe groups self assertions. Frum is a perfect example of a tolerant absolutist hypocrite. Does he say a word when the Obama administration proudly supports Marxist appointees, tactics, and states? But a self identified racist pretending to be a conservative ideologue is a an outrage and a denunciation of conservatism? This is the sort of anti thinking that pervades the entire left and those who pretend to be moderates. This is worst sort of intolerance and absolutism pretending to be tolerance and openness. It always has been and always will be in America, the solution to bad speech is more speech. People see Spencer for what he is. Frum is more difficult. He is the worst sort of moderate. Always criticizing when you don't meet his shifting absolutist definitions. According to Frum Conservatives should be open to everyone...but not to the wrong people or wrong ideas. If ideas, even wrong ideas are not open to the moderating force of the forum then where?

Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:03:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Anonymous,

I can't say much about Frum, good or bad, since I don't think I heard about him before. However, this group is calling itself the "Alternative Right." That's the name they gave them selves, not one he gave them, in all fairness. Weather they or actually right wing or not, maybe another story, but that is what they are calling the organization, not him.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:49:00 pm  
Blogger jeppo said...

Alternative Right is actually a pretty good website. Check out this article about Turkey.

I guess faux-conservatives like Frum & co. get their panties in a knot when confronted by the real thing. To the faux-cons, anyone who doesn't support socialized healthcare, the "settled science" of AGW, mass immigration, amnesty, affirmative action, gay marriage, gays in the military, women in combat and, of course, that Islam is a religion of peace hijacked by a tiny band of extremists, must be a borderline Nazi.

As for the contention that race only matters to reprobate racists, well we'll all soon find out for sure. The United States is presently engaged in the world's largest and fastest racial population replacement experiment. By 2050, whites will be down to 38% of children under 18 while Hispanics will be up to 39%. This in a nation that in 1960 was 90% white and Hispanics were too small of a group to warrant being counted separately.

Maybe this won't matter. Maybe los Estados Unidos will be the first successful Latin American nation. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:13:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Jeppo,

I don't worry about race. Its not something I care about, and neither should you. What we need to worry about is culture. Racism is not the answer to our problems.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:51:00 pm  
Blogger jeppo said...

Damien,

Canada and Jamaica are seemingly very close culturally. Both are former British colonies, now members of the Commonwealth with Queen Elizabeth II as the Head of State of both.

Both are mainly English-speaking nations and overwhelmingly Christian, largely Protestant.

Both have a similar political system based on the Westminster parliamentary tradition. They both have Prime Ministers and Cabinets made up of elected MPs, and both have Governors-General representing the Monarch.

Their legal systems are virtually identical, based on English Common Law, with roots stretching back to the signing of the Magna Carta and beyond.

Yet Canadians have an average IQ 25-30 points higher than Jamaicans do. Canadians have a per capita GDP 10 times higher than Jamaicans. Jamaicans have a murder rate 40 times higher than Canadians.

Virtually identical comparisons could also be made between New Zealand and Papua New Guinea, or Australia and South Africa, or any number of superficially similar nations.

So how can we explain these huge discrepancies between countries that share so many historical, political, legal, linguistic, religious and cultural similarities? Could it possibly be r.....nah, it couldn't be. In fact, what a bastard I am for even thinking it could be *that*.

Reality is what it is. Don't be afraid to think outside of the politically correct box when trying to figure out WHY it is what it is.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:47:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Jeppo,
You wrote: Canadians have an average IQ 25-30 points higher than Jamaicans do



I ask: Really? Where do you get those numbers? The reason I ask is because they are much different than the numbers I normally see which seem to have blacks at 90-95 and whites at 105-110, as I recall. In other words, a 10-15 point difference, not 20-25.

Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:59:00 pm  
Blogger jeppo said...

The numbers are from IQ and Global Inequality.

According to Lynn and Vanhanen's data, Canada averages 99 and Jamaica averages 71, a difference of 28 points.

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:11:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

That study is SO good, that the Nork's should be ruling the world.

It COULD NOT pass academic review.


I am feeling the beginnings of concern around here.

Sorry but homogeneous ANCIENT cultures in developed nations WITH AGE OLD REVERENCE FOR EDUCATION post higher scores than places like Guinea and Sierra Leone?

OR SO CALLED WHITE NATIONS?

Anyone who thinks race is the reason for that is OUT OF THEIR GOURDS
PULLEEEEEZE

It's more likely a FIGMENT of the way the study was done.

I suggest this study be redone on the basis of which culture can dunk most proficiently.

Anyone else wonder what questions are asked of tribes people performing gathering in Sierra Leone to measure IQ? ANd how that translated to what a child of two educators in China is asked?

IT'S ABSURD

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:30:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Jeppo,

Two things about intelligence tests. One, they never test every aspect of Intelligence, and second its impossible to create a non culturally biased test. So, how does the average score on an IQ test of a Jamaican vs Canadian, prove anything? Also, there are no significant cultural differences between Jamaica and Canada that might explain the differences? You really expect me to believe that?

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:45:00 am  
Blogger jeppo said...

Epa,

It's not absurd, it's true.

Does anyone really believe--and I mean REALLY believe--that average intelligence is evenly distributed around the world? That completely flies in the face of more than 100 years of IQ testing and millions and millions of tests. It also flies in the face of basic common sense and ordinary human experience.

Liberal sensibilities be damned, the truth is that intelligence-wise, we're not all created equal.

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:53:00 am  
Blogger jeppo said...

Damien,

I'd love to hear your theory about why Canada and Jamaica turned out so differently, despite having so many historic and cultural similarities. Because you sure won't like my theory, lol.

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:57:00 am  
Blogger jeppo said...

Here are the PDFs of the most recent data from two of the largest international testing organizations:

TIMSS
PISA

The data all point to roughly the same hierarchy of national intelligence.

Monday, March 15, 2010 1:09:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Damien wrote: Also, there are no significant cultural differences between Jamaica and Canada that might explain the differences? You really expect me to believe that?


Jeppo wrote: I'd love to hear your theory about why Canada and Jamaica turned out so differently, despite having so many historic and cultural similarities.


I say: Ganja is one major difference.

LOL

Monday, March 15, 2010 1:26:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

But seriously, Muslims smoke marijuana and chew khat. They abhor alcohol.

If you look at nations who choose marijuana and do not drink much, you will also find that, according to your test results, people who drink are more intelligent than people who smoke pot.

But, I don't really buy any of this, because, in my opinion, there are many factors that go together to create the results we see in IQ tests.

In my opinion, cultures, societies, nutrition, families, etc. are almost as complex as the atmospere of the Earth. And, you know how I feel about the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory, so you can imagine how I feel about IQ, race, and culture theory.

Hint; it smells really bad here.

Monday, March 15, 2010 1:30:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Jeppo

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You can create any construct an INNER COMPULSION DEMANDS.

That does not make it science.
As a SCIENTIST my own conclusions about these KINDS of studies are IDENTICAL to GLOBAL WARMING

Just try to think of what question YOU might ask a teenager from Ouagoudougou which measures what my son or daughter might be asked about x ray diffraction.

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Monday, March 15, 2010 1:41:00 am  
Blogger jeppo said...

Pasto, trust me on this one, Canadians smoke A LOT of weed.

Epa, would you not even concede the possibility that ethnicity and average IQ *might* be correlated? I've provided some links here showing that they almost certainly are, and I'm sure that anyone who delves deeply enough into this subject will come to the same conclusion.

Monday, March 15, 2010 1:47:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Jeppo,

Your attempts at rebuttal are hardly convincing, nor are they funny.

Monday, March 15, 2010 5:45:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Jeppo the idea that "ethnicity and average IQ" are related means that each race is its own Galapagos Islands.

It also supposes someone can make a normalized equivalent of 'acheivement' to make a test a measure of.

It also means that an IQ test in the Pantanal measures PRECISELY and in the SAME PRECISE CULTURAL WAY, information of equivalent 'value' there as the test given on the upper east side in Manhattan.

What two question perform this task?

Who decides what those questions are, or measure?

Think success in the world largest swamp is success in Manhattan? What value would intelligence be put to there as opposed to a Marketing Manager at Proctor and Gamble?

Here is some heartfelt advice ..unlooked for I am sure... reject that which leads you to believe this as fact in essentially a Dan Rather way.

It's VOODOO by people who NEED to prove something.

When you find the David Dukes on your side, there ALWAYS a problem with the underlying facts.

Just think about it for while.

Monday, March 15, 2010 12:02:00 pm  

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