RETIRED Italian Bishop: Jews caused Holocaust and are responsible for Catholic church pedophilia scandal
UPDATE - MIDNIGHT RIDER POINTS OUT THAT THIS BISHOP IS RETIRED, WHICH PRETTY MUCH MAKES THIS A NON-STORY!From Watcher
More...(IsraelNN.com) "The Holocaust of the Jews broke out because of the Jewish takeover of the German economy," said Italian Bishop Joakim Babini in an interview given to a far right Catholic website.(Times Online) A retired Italian bishop has provoked fury by reportedly suggesting that “Zionists” are behind the current storm of accusations over clerical sex abuse shaking the Vatican and the Catholic Church.
The bishop also accused the Jews of stirring up anger in the current case of church pedophilia. After his words caused a storm, Babini immediately issued a denial.
Monsignor Giacomo Babini, the Bishop Emeritus of Grossetto, was quoted by the Italian Roman Catholic website Pontifex as saying he believed a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism of the Pope, given that it was “powerful and refined” in nature.
Bishop Babini denied he had made any anti-Semitic remarks. He was backed by the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI), which issued a declaration by Bishop Babini in which he said: “Statements I have never made about our Jewish brothers have been attributed to me.”
However, Bruno Volpe, who interviewed Monsignor Babini for Pontifex, confirmed that the bishop had made the statement, which was reported widely in the Italian press today. Pontifex threatened to release the audio tape of the interview as proof. [...]
[...] Bishop Babini, 81, said Jews “do not want the Church, they are its natural enemies”. He added: “Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are deicides [God killers].”
He was quoted as saying that Hitler was “not just mad” but had exploited German anger over the excesses of German Jews who in the 1930s had throttled the German economy.
Epa's comment is appropriate and important:
Welcome to the 4th century
"they are its natural enemies", "the Jews are deicides"
What POSSIBLE use to any enlightened religion can this individual have?
Okay, Ratz, this ball is in your court.
WHAT IS GOING ON THIS YEAR?
In Canada – Two students at Ottawa’s Carlton University reported they were attacked with a machete after being chased by a group yelling in Arabic and English that they were Jews and Zionists…
In Greece – The nation’s largest newspaper, Ta Nea, published this vicious cartoon the “burning of Judas” an example of the overt anti-Semitism appearing annually throughout Greece during Easter. The cartoon appeared after a rash of other anti-Semitic incidents throughout the country and a spate of synagogue arsons in Crete...
In Hungary – Anti-Semitism played a role in the campaign leading up to national elections, stones were thrown through the windows of a Rabbi’s house during a Passover Seder, anti-Semitic graffiti was found in Budapest, a Holocaust memorial was damaged and neo-Nazis held an anti-Semitic rally in a city where Jews were killed in pogroms over a century ago…
In Argentina – “Die Jews” was spray-painted on a hotel in Santa Teresita where a Jewish group was celebrating Passover; some were also verbally assaulted and harassed…
In Slovakia – a Jewish cemetery was repeatedly desecrated and anti-Semitic slogans were spray-painted on tombstones in Zvolen where only 50 of hundreds of gravestones remain untouched; anti-Semitism is alive although no Jews have lived in the area since the Holocaust…
In France - a blatantly anti-Semitic demonstration was organized by a pro-Palestinian group who were planning to march by a synagogue during the Passover Sabbath in Drancy, a city which served as the transit-point for the deportaion of 72,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz under the Vichy government, the march was averted by the intervention of police…
At the Vatican – During the traditional Good Friday Service and in the presence of the Pope, a senior Vatican priest compared the ongoing uproar over sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church to the persecution of the Jews…
In Latvia - SWC Israel Director, Dr. Efraim Zuroff helped lead a counter demonstration against World War II Latvian Waffen-SS Veterans and denounced "the glorification of those who fought for a victory of the Third Reich, a regime directly responsible for the murder of millions of innocent civilians."
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OY VEY!
Welcome to the 4th century
"they are its natural enemies", "the Jews are deicides"
What POSSIBLE use to any enlightened religion can this individual have?
Okay, Ratz, this ball is in your court.
WHAT IS GOING ON THIS YEAR?
In Canada – Two students at Ottawa’s Carlton University reported they were attacked with a machete after being chased by a group yelling in Arabic and English that they were Jews and Zionists…
In Greece – The nation’s largest newspaper, Ta Nea, published this vicious cartoon the “burning of Judas” an example of the overt anti-Semitism appearing annually throughout Greece during Easter. The cartoon appeared after a rash of other anti-Semitic incidents throughout the country and a spate of synagogue arsons in Crete...
In Hungary – Anti-Semitism played a role in the campaign leading up to national elections, stones were thrown through the windows of a Rabbi’s house during a Passover Seder, anti-Semitic graffiti was found in Budapest, a Holocaust memorial was damaged and neo-Nazis held an anti-Semitic rally in a city where Jews were killed in pogroms over a century ago…
In Argentina – “Die Jews” was spray-painted on a hotel in Santa Teresita where a Jewish group was celebrating Passover; some were also verbally assaulted and harassed…
In Slovakia – a Jewish cemetery was repeatedly desecrated and anti-Semitic slogans were spray-painted on tombstones in Zvolen where only 50 of hundreds of gravestones remain untouched; anti-Semitism is alive although no Jews have lived in the area since the Holocaust…
In France - a blatantly anti-Semitic demonstration was organized by a pro-Palestinian group who were planning to march by a synagogue during the Passover Sabbath in Drancy, a city which served as the transit-point for the deportaion of 72,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz under the Vichy government, the march was averted by the intervention of police…
At the Vatican – During the traditional Good Friday Service and in the presence of the Pope, a senior Vatican priest compared the ongoing uproar over sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church to the persecution of the Jews…
In Latvia - SWC Israel Director, Dr. Efraim Zuroff helped lead a counter demonstration against World War II Latvian Waffen-SS Veterans and denounced "the glorification of those who fought for a victory of the Third Reich, a regime directly responsible for the murder of millions of innocent civilians."
AND LET'S NOT LEAVE OUT
VENEUELA
and every single muslim majority nation where ONE JEW EXISTS
FOR GOD SAKES BEAM ME UP
Pastorius,
This is just about the last thing the Catholic Church needs right now.
rumcrook takes hand slaps forehead...
Damien,
It appears the Catholic Church is falling apart before our very eyes.
Pastorius,
That maybe too obvious too deny at this point. I just hope that they are able to get their act together soon.
"It appears the Catholic Church is falling apart before our very eyes."
Yep, we're getting to be as bad as the fucking muslims, ain't we?
MR,
That seems a bit extreme.
The Catholic Church builds hospitals and schools the world over. The Catholic Church is responsible for a lot of good in the world.
However, the problem is, we live in a political world, where public relations is very important.
If the Catholic Church repeatedly ignores evil individuals in its highest ranks, it is creating a public relations nightmare for itself.
That can weaken the Church considerably.
It's kind of like the Stock Market. It will have to find its bottom. And that bottom will be dependent upon something closer to a real valuation of the Church, rather than the valuation the Church has traditionally held.
I would imagine the Church will continue to get less and less in donations from its rich American adherents.
That's a disaster.
Though Obama is taking all our money anyway.
Pastorius,
Also if, as many fear, Obama signs a version of the Freedom of Choice act and Docters who have moral issues with Abortion are forced to perform them, the Catholic Church has threatened to shut its Hospitals Down. That means that fewer people will experience the good things the Church actually has brought.
Just because one or two or twelve dumbass people decide to show their idiocy and complete lack of understanding of the Church's teachings regarding our love for the Jews doesn't mean the Catholic Church is now teaching hatred of the Jews any more than one or two or twelve pedophiles mean there are no good priests who spend their entire lives working to lift humanity.
"Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone. "
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
Mary, the truth to that assertion will be found in WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS MORON.
I would contend if the church is SERIOUS, that if this Council of Nicaea, ignorant bigot and his opinions are UNACCEPTABLE .. he will be seeking his living among the taxi drivers of Hamburg.
Anything less gives the lie to your assertion and worse, demonstrates that among this moron's brethren are many who share more sympathy for his ideas to one extent or another, than the Church's official stance.
In Mary's Image,
You said: Just because one or two or twelve dumbass people decide to show their idiocy and complete lack of understanding of the Church's teachings regarding our love for the Jews doesn't mean the Catholic Church is now teaching hatred of the Jews any more than one or two or twelve pedophiles mean there are no good priests who spend their entire lives working to lift humanity.
I say: Isn't the problem that the Catholic Church does not fire these people when they say and do these things?
That's the problem to me.
The Church needs to fire these monsters.
"he will be seeking his living among the taxi drivers of Hamburg"
"Isn't the problem that the Catholic Church does not fire these people when they say and do these things?"
This idiot is already retired, gents.
Oh, I see. I did not notice that.
"The Church needs to fire these monsters." Absolutely--no one is disputing that point at all, how can I teach my children how to behave and if the leaders of our faith are not behaving themselves? I'm sort of old fashioned in that I believe leaders should lead by example--not just words. However, I just do not want to see all Catholics judged by people like this guy anymore than I want to see all Catholics judged by pedophile priests.
And Im going to respectfully disagree on the issue of the bishop's retirement. He still has a duty to conform his personal beliefs to those espoused by Christ. A Catholic never gets to retire from working to mold our consciences to what Christ expected of us. No Catholic should hold in their hearts one shred of racial animosity towards our Jewish brothers--a retired bishop is still a Catholic. So, I can't give him a pass because he is retired.
I don't give him a pass, either. I pointed out that he is retired as a response to having him "fired" which, in this case, would have no effect. Certainly not that he should get a pass on it.
And it is certainly not a non-story but neither is it indicative of the Church in general.
My own sentiments on this mirror Mary's so I'll just shut the fuck up and get out of the way.
It is a non-story in the sense that, if he is retired, then the Church has no responsibility for his statements.
Certainly, he has personal responsibility for his statements.
The pope OWES it to the image and TRUTH of the church to UTTERLY separate and revoke any connection between the Church and this complete idiot.
He has no role to play among those who in any way might touch a 'flock' EVER.
It is in such moments that the meaning of religion as justice transcends what an individual moron who opens his idiot mouth IS.
If this jerk is totally separated from the Church, THEN we know the church.
If he is not, THEN we know the church.
All Catholics cannot be judged by this, all priests cannot be judged by this, all bishops cannot be judged by this, but the Church and what it PURPORTS TO REPRESENT HERE ON THIS EARTH CAN.
The pope exists (IMHO) JUST to rule in Christ's name on such an issue .. and this one is a NO BRAINER.
Totally separated? Do you mean excommunicated? You think this man should be excommunicated from his faith because he has a defect in his conscience?
He believes the jews killed god.
He believes the jews are the eternal enemy of the church
He believes the jews got what they deserved from 36-45
THAT IS NOT A DEFECT IN CONSCIENCE
The first two are ROTE church doctrine from the Council of Nicaea onwards for MILLENIA
The third is unspeakable racism.
The church has a chance to utterly repudiate, what MUST be repudiated.
And what it must separate itself from is a murderous litany of well documented historypunctuated by righteous individual acts of rebellious conscience from the 4th century POLICY decided upon until WELL after the holocaust.
This moron did not say white men can't jump. He reiterated the case of 2 millennias of European pogroms and finally the biggy.
You want the pope fuzzy on that after pedophilia coverups?
Listen Epa, I'm willing to discuss this with you, but what I am not willing to do is be shouted at by you or anyone else--and that is what using capital letters equals in the cyber world, as I am fairly certain you are aware.
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