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Monday, June 07, 2010
Fascist Movements of the 1930's
Cal State University at Northridge has a cache of images and information on the internet about good old Thirties-era Southern California Fascism.
1)George Washington advocated staying out of the affairs of Europe--
2)Jefferson-sent new US Marines to stop the Barbary pirates- because the Muslims were demanding approx 1/4 to 1/3 of US GNP as tribute---and US citizens and ships were threatened--
3)Madison finished the job-because US citizens were threatened--
4)Lindbergh was a true Patriot who knew the original Constitution-and knew Washington's take (l above)
5)FDR-was a debauched individual and an internationalist who had a vested interest in power -Ann Coulter can fill in the blanks..
6) Mark Styne states clearly that Europeans can be lazy socialists because we in the US pay for their defense -our troops defend them!!-
7) CSUN also has an Hispanic studies dept. building--funded by your/ my tax $$$$ in which there is a huge mural - funded by tax $$$ -that promotes re-conquista..which is an example of where our U systems' allegiances lay...
I usually don't write such long comments - but- we must be careful who or what we believe--
BTW-Lindbergh fully supported the war- on two fronts- when our government officials declared it - because we were attacked! (ie-US citizens were threatened...) He was not a fascist.. FDR's propaganda machine at work... Carol-CS
CS, Lindbergh got himself involved with some bad people and ideas.
Antiwar - accusing Jews of controlling media:
In a speech at an America First rally on September 11, 1941 in Des Moines, Iowa entitled "Who Are the War Agitators?" Lindbergh claimed that three groups had been "pressing this country toward war: the Roosevelt Administration, the British and the Jews" and complained about what he insisted was the Jews' "large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government." Although he made clear his opposition to German anti-Semitism, stating that "All good men of conscience must condemn the treatment of the Jews in Germany," his inability to unequivocally condemn Nazi Germany put him in the position of condoning, in the minds of many, their actions.[19]
While living in France Lindbergh worked with Nobel Prize-winning French surgeon Dr. Alexis Carrel. Carrel had collaborated on earlier projects with Lindbergh while he lived in the U.S. and worked for the Rockefeller Institute of Medical Research. In 1930 Lindbergh's sister-in-law, Elizabeth, suffered a debilitating heart condition that prompted Lindbergh to wonder why it was not possible to repair hearts with surgery. Working with Dr. Carrel, who became a mentor to Lindbergh, he discovered it was because organs could not be kept alive outside the body. He then began working on a solution to the problem with Carrel. Lindbergh's invention, a glass perfusion pump, has been credited with making future heart surgeries possible.[10] The device in this early stage was far from perfect as perfused organs survived well for a few days but then began to show progressive degenerative changes.[11] Carrel also introduced Lindbergh to eugenics, which would become one of the controversial theories that helped shape Lindbergh's foreign policy views.[12]
Lindbergh's continued involvement with German aviation brought him back into the American spotlight in 1938. The American ambassador to Germany, Hugh Wilson, invited Lindbergh to a dinner with Hermann Göring at the American embassy in Berlin. The dinner included diplomats and three of the greatest minds of German aviation, Ernst Heinkel, Adolf Baeumaker and Dr. Willy Messerschmitt.[15] Goering presented Lindbergh with the Service Cross of the German Eagle for his services to aviation and particularly for his 1927 flight. Soon, however, his acceptance of this medal would create a furor back home as the atrocities of Nazi Germany came to light. Lindbergh declined to return the medal to the Germans because he claimed that to do so would be "an unnecessary insult" to the German Nazi government. This occurred prior to the United States getting involved in the war with Germany. Lindbergh returned to the United States and the controversy over his politics, influenced strongly by what he observed in Europe, continued. [16]
Due to his numerous scientific expeditions to Nazi Germany, Lindbergh was labeled a Nazi sympathizer by the press. Consequently, after the war broke out, President Franklin D. Roosevelt banned him from joining the military. Lindbergh's subsequent combat missions as a civilian consultant and volunteer pilot restored his reputation with the American public, but only partially. His Pulitzer Prize winning biographer A. Scott Berg (Lindbergh) contends that Lindbergh was not so much a supporter of the Nazi regime as someone impressed with their strength, and being relatively inexperienced in political maneuvering, he easily allowed rivals to portray him as one. Berg goes on to say that in his support for the America First Committee he was merely giving voice to the sentiments of other Americans who opposed entry into World War II. Lindbergh was critical of Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews, saying in 1941, that "no person with a sense of dignity of mankind can condone." but he urged them in his 1941 speech in Des Moines, Iowa to avoid involvement with "war agitators"[17] Lindbergh's real fear was that destroying a powerful European nation like Germany could lead to the downfall of Western Civilization and a rise in Communist supremacy over Europe. Lindbergh, rather than realizing the threat Nazi Germany presented, instead warned of the dangers of Russia's aggression towards Europe. Ironically, Russia would become an ally of the Allied Powers during World War II.
By the way, here's something else Lindbergh apparently said:
"I am not attacking either the British or Jewish people. Both races I admire. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war."
Lindbergh elucidated his beliefs about the white race in an article he published in Reader's Digest in 1939:
"We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races."[71]
Because of his trips to Nazi Germany, combined with a belief in eugenics, Lindbergh was suspected of being a Nazi sympathizer.
Lindbergh's reaction to Kristallnacht was entrusted to his diary: "I do not understand these riots on the part of the Germans", he wrote. "It seems so contrary to their sense of order and intelligence. They have undoubtedly had a difficult 'Jewish problem,' but why is it necessary to handle it so unreasonably?"[72]
In his diaries, he wrote: “We must limit to a reasonable amount the Jewish influence...Whenever the Jewish percentage of total population becomes too high, a reaction seems to invariably occur. It is too bad because a few Jews of the right type are, I believe, an asset to any country.”
Lindbergh's anti-communism resonated deeply with many Americans while eugenics and Nordicism enjoyed social acceptance,[62] with enthusiasts such as Theodore Roosevelt,[73] and George S. Patton.[74]
Although Lindbergh considered Hitler a fanatic and avowed a belief in American democracy,[75] he clearly stated elsewhere that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology", he declared.[76] He had, however, a relatively positive attitude toward blacks (something that was scheduled to be fully revealed in an undelivered speech interrupted by the events that followed the attack on Pearl Harbor[77]). Critics have noticed an apparent influence of German philosopher Oswald Spengler on Lindbergh.[78] Spengler was a conservative authoritarian and during the interwar era, was widely read throughout Western World, though by this point he had fallen out of favor with the Nazis because he had not wholly subscribed to their theories of racial purity.
Thanks for your take--and the history!!!--- Now-I have the motivation to sit w/ my 93 year old friend- whose husband 'barn-stormed' w/ Lindbergh--and get her take-!! She is still very active --and will give me the straight 'skinny' from a personal angle.... C-CS
10 comments:
1)George Washington advocated staying out of the affairs of Europe--
2)Jefferson-sent new US Marines to stop the Barbary pirates- because the Muslims were demanding approx 1/4 to 1/3 of US GNP as tribute---and US citizens and ships were threatened--
3)Madison finished the job-because US citizens were threatened--
4)Lindbergh was a true Patriot who knew the original Constitution-and knew Washington's take (l above)
5)FDR-was a debauched individual and an internationalist who had a vested interest in power -Ann Coulter can fill in the blanks..
6) Mark Styne states clearly that Europeans can be lazy socialists because we in the US pay for their defense -our troops defend them!!-
7) CSUN also has an Hispanic studies dept. building--funded by your/ my tax $$$$ in which there is a huge mural - funded by tax $$$ -that promotes re-conquista..which is an example of where our U systems' allegiances lay...
I usually don't write such long comments - but- we must be careful who or what we believe--
BTW-Lindbergh fully supported the war- on two fronts- when our government officials declared it - because we were attacked! (ie-US citizens were threatened...)
He was not a fascist..
FDR's propaganda machine at work...
Carol-CS
CS,
Lindbergh got himself involved with some bad people and ideas.
Antiwar - accusing Jews of controlling media:
In a speech at an America First rally on September 11, 1941 in Des Moines, Iowa entitled "Who Are the War Agitators?" Lindbergh claimed that three groups had been "pressing this country toward war: the Roosevelt Administration, the British and the Jews" and complained about what he insisted was the Jews' "large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government." Although he made clear his opposition to German anti-Semitism, stating that "All good men of conscience must condemn the treatment of the Jews in Germany," his inability to unequivocally condemn Nazi Germany put him in the position of condoning, in the minds of many, their actions.[19]
Eugenics:
While living in France Lindbergh worked with Nobel Prize-winning French surgeon Dr. Alexis Carrel. Carrel had collaborated on earlier projects with Lindbergh while he lived in the U.S. and worked for the Rockefeller Institute of Medical Research. In 1930 Lindbergh's sister-in-law, Elizabeth, suffered a debilitating heart condition that prompted Lindbergh to wonder why it was not possible to repair hearts with surgery. Working with Dr. Carrel, who became a mentor to Lindbergh, he discovered it was because organs could not be kept alive outside the body. He then began working on a solution to the problem with Carrel. Lindbergh's invention, a glass perfusion pump, has been credited with making future heart surgeries possible.[10] The device in this early stage was far from perfect as perfused organs survived well for a few days but then began to show progressive degenerative changes.[11] Carrel also introduced Lindbergh to eugenics, which would become one of the controversial theories that helped shape Lindbergh's foreign policy views.[12]
Nazis:
Lindbergh's continued involvement with German aviation brought him back into the American spotlight in 1938. The American ambassador to Germany, Hugh Wilson, invited Lindbergh to a dinner with Hermann Göring at the American embassy in Berlin. The dinner included diplomats and three of the greatest minds of German aviation, Ernst Heinkel, Adolf Baeumaker and Dr. Willy Messerschmitt.[15] Goering presented Lindbergh with the Service Cross of the German Eagle for his services to aviation and particularly for his 1927 flight. Soon, however, his acceptance of this medal would create a furor back home as the atrocities of Nazi Germany came to light. Lindbergh declined to return the medal to the Germans because he claimed that to do so would be "an unnecessary insult" to the German Nazi government. This occurred prior to the United States getting involved in the war with Germany. Lindbergh returned to the United States and the controversy over his politics, influenced strongly by what he observed in Europe, continued. [16]
Due to his numerous scientific expeditions to Nazi Germany, Lindbergh was labeled a Nazi sympathizer by the press. Consequently, after the war broke out, President Franklin D. Roosevelt banned him from joining the military. Lindbergh's subsequent combat missions as a civilian consultant and volunteer pilot restored his reputation with the American public, but only partially. His Pulitzer Prize winning biographer A. Scott Berg (Lindbergh) contends that Lindbergh was not so much a supporter of the Nazi regime as someone impressed with their strength, and being relatively inexperienced in political maneuvering, he easily allowed rivals to portray him as one. Berg goes on to say that in his support for the America First Committee he was merely giving voice to the sentiments of other Americans who opposed entry into World War II. Lindbergh was critical of Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews, saying in 1941, that "no person with a sense of dignity of mankind can condone." but he urged them in his 1941 speech in Des Moines, Iowa to avoid involvement with "war agitators"[17] Lindbergh's real fear was that destroying a powerful European nation like Germany could lead to the downfall of Western Civilization and a rise in Communist supremacy over Europe. Lindbergh, rather than realizing the threat Nazi Germany presented, instead warned of the dangers of Russia's aggression towards Europe. Ironically, Russia would become an ally of the Allied Powers during World War II.
All of this is from this source:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Charles_Lindbergh
By the way, here's something else Lindbergh apparently said:
"I am not attacking either the British or Jewish people. Both races I admire. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war."
http://ww2f.com/western-europe-1943-1945/37911-british-empire-central-europe-ww2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh
Lindbergh elucidated his beliefs about the white race in an article he published in Reader's Digest in 1939:
"We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races."[71]
Because of his trips to Nazi Germany, combined with a belief in eugenics, Lindbergh was suspected of being a Nazi sympathizer.
Lindbergh's reaction to Kristallnacht was entrusted to his diary: "I do not understand these riots on the part of the Germans", he wrote. "It seems so contrary to their sense of order and intelligence. They have undoubtedly had a difficult 'Jewish problem,' but why is it necessary to handle it so unreasonably?"[72]
In his diaries, he wrote: “We must limit to a reasonable amount the Jewish influence...Whenever the Jewish percentage of total population becomes too high, a reaction seems to invariably occur. It is too bad because a few Jews of the right type are, I believe, an asset to any country.”
Lindbergh's anti-communism resonated deeply with many Americans while eugenics and Nordicism enjoyed social acceptance,[62] with enthusiasts such as Theodore Roosevelt,[73] and George S. Patton.[74]
Although Lindbergh considered Hitler a fanatic and avowed a belief in American democracy,[75] he clearly stated elsewhere that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology", he declared.[76] He had, however, a relatively positive attitude toward blacks (something that was scheduled to be fully revealed in an undelivered speech interrupted by the events that followed the attack on Pearl Harbor[77]). Critics have noticed an apparent influence of German philosopher Oswald Spengler on Lindbergh.[78] Spengler was a conservative authoritarian and during the interwar era, was widely read throughout Western World, though by this point he had fallen out of favor with the Nazis because he had not wholly subscribed to their theories of racial purity.
It seems to me, having read more about Lindbergh, that he was a man complicated by the fact that his thinking was muddled.
Not someone to be admired in the scope of history, other than for his achievement in aviation.
His ideas were of a generation, and most of his ideas were defeated, and with good reason they lay in the ash heap of history.
This proves by a long shot that Nazism and Fascism were and still are part of a far left, anti-Capitalist way of thinking.
NOTHING TO DO about being a proponent of the free market.
... and the "Anti-War Movement" ... and that somehow the "Anti-War" Movement is always linked to anti-Semitism ...
Thanks for your take--and the history!!!---
Now-I have the motivation to sit w/ my 93 year old friend- whose husband 'barn-stormed' w/ Lindbergh--and get her take-!!
She is still very active --and will give me the straight 'skinny' from a personal angle....
C-CS
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