Mahatma Gandhi knew the truth about Islam, but insisted upon pacifying Muslims at every turn.
Interview to The Daily Herald, London, by Gandhi
(March 16, 1921)
...Question: What do you think of the proposed revision of the Treaty of Sevres?
Gandhi: I have only hurriedly glanced through the new terms. So far as I can judge, they aim at pacifying Turks and not Indian Mussulmans. The two things have to be recognised as distinct. Khilafat is essentially a religious movement, being idealistic and unconnected with Turkish pacification. It derives its sanction directly from the injunction of the Prophet. Until, therefore, Indian Mussulmans are placated, there can be no peace, and the sine qua non of Mussulman conciliation is that what is termed the Island of Arabia must remain under the exclusive Mussulman control and under the spiritual sovereignty of the Khalifa, whoever he may be for the time being. The prestige of Islam demands rendition of Smyrna and Thrace to Turkey, and evacuation by the Allied Powers of Constantinople, but the existence of Islam demands the total abrogation of mandates taken by Britain and France.
No influence, direct or indirect, over the Holy Places of Islam will ever be tolerated by Indian Mussulmans. It follows, therefore, that even Palestine must be under Mussulman control.
So far as I am aware, there never has been any difficulty put in the way of Jews and Christians visiting Palestine and performing all their religious rites. No canon, however, of ethics or war can possibly justify the gift by the Allies of Palestine to Jews. It would be a breach of implied faith with Indian Mussulmans in particular and the whole of India in general. Not an Indian soldier would have gone, if Britain on the eve of war had declared even the possibility of any such usurpation, and it is becoming clearer every day that if India is to remain a free partner in a future British Commonwealth, as distinguished from the Empire, the terms of the Khilafat have to be settled more in consultation with the spiritual leaders of Mussulmans than with the political leaders of Turkey.
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Pastorius,
Pacifist tactics may work against civilized occupiers, but not against murderous fanatics. Luckily most modern Indians appear to be a little less naive than the person who help them gain independence from the British, at least based on this story you posted here awhile back.
India, The Most Pro-Israel Country In The World
Pastorius,
I wonder how many modern Indians know this about Ghandi, since he's obviously a hero to most of them.
"Pacifist tactics may work against civilized occupiers, but not against murderous fanatics."
Yep.
Pacifism is a publicity stunt. It is not an actual strategy. It is a PR move.
It is not a spiritual thing, in the least.
In fact, I believe pacifism is inherently evil, and it is tied to conspiracy theories and siding with the enemy.
I'm sure this sounds like typical Pastorius overspeak, but think about it, most all pacifists do side with the enemy and they are given to conspiracy theories.
I'm guessing Dag would have some cogent thoughts on the subject.
Gandhi was an unmitigated disaster for the Hindus of India. When Jinnah said he wanted a Pakistan carved out of India for the Muslims because they were apart from the Hindus by race,language and religion. It was the fool Gandhi who allowed those Muslims who didn't want to go to Pakistan to remain in India. Today those Muslims in India number 160 million fifth columnists. He not only was a fool but a bloody fool.
I agree, Rumcrook. Gandhi was a tremendously arrogant, self-satisfied man. Really a disgusting human being masquerading as a Saint.
FUCK iSLAM
FUCK hINDUISM
WOMEN IN HINDUISM
Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti says:
Never trust a woman. Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, she may tempt you. Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you. Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you.
Again the same Manu Smriti continues:
“No liberty for women in society”.
Now, that is most disgusting!!! This sick pervert actually insinuates that one’s own mother will tempt him!
Now see the verses of “Sacred” Hinduism Literature about women
Women = Dogs = Sudras = Untruth
“And whilst not coming into contact with Sûdras and remains of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sûdra, the dog, and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth.”
(Satapatha Brahmana 14:1:1:31)
Women are dumb !
“Indra himself hath said, The mind of woman brooks not discipline, her intellect hath little weight.”
(Rig Veda 8:33:17)
Women are powerless and have no inheritence !
“they could not discern the world of heaven, they saw this (cup) for the wives, they drew it; then indeed did they discern the world of heaven; in that (the cup) for the wives is drawn, (it serves) to reveal the world of heaven. Soma could not bear being drawn for women; making the ghee a bolt they beat it, they drew it when it had lost its power; therefore women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man”
(Yajur Veda – Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2)
A wife without a son is a discarded wife !
“And on the following day he goes to the house of a discarded (wife), and prepares a pap for Nirriti;–a discarded wife is one who has no son. He cooks the pap for Nirriti of black rice, after splitting the grains with his nails. He offers it with, ‘This, O Nirriti, is thy share: accept it graciously, hail!’ For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity)“
(Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13)
Women = Idiots = Animals = Untrustworthy
“At the time of consultation he should have removed idiots, the mute, blind, or deaf; animals and very old people; women, barbarians, and those who are ill or who lack a part of the body.”
“(Such) despicable (persons), likewise animals and especially women betray secret council; therefore he should be cautious among them.”
(Manusmrti 7:149-150)
Women are not fit for independence !
“Men must keep their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is never fit for independence.“
(Manusmrti 9:2-4)
The Hindu woman has no right to divorce her husband.
She has no property or inheritance rights.
Choice of partner is limited; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today’s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other “holy” ways (see below).
She can never remarry.
The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public. She cannot wear jewelry or colorful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children’s marriage!)
Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
Every day we read in the paper about dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women.
“SATI” – HINDU WIDOW BURNING!
If the Hindu man’s wife dies, he is free to go and find another beautiful woman when he wants. But if the Hindu woman’s husband dies, not only is she prohibited to remarry but she should be cremated along with her dead husband (“Sati”). According to the Haria, the woman who follows her husband in death purifies three families – her father’s, her mother’s and her husband’s. These Brahmin theologians propagate the theory based in the Vedas that a woman who did not burn herself would never become free of being born as a woman again. If a woman’s husband was guilty of the murder of a Brahmin or guilty of “ingratitude” – then the wife who died clasping his body was said to purify him of his sins.
When His “Holiness” Puri Shankaracharya was asked about the fate of the widow’s children, he replied – “it is fate! Let the children suffer or die without a mother. But SATI has to be performed according to Hinduism”.
“SATI MATA Kl JAI”
The Times of India reported (14-9-87): Jaipur- In what appeared to be a revival of a centuries-old custom of “Sati”, a young woman belonging to a warrior caste of Rajasthan climbed into the funeral pyre of her husband, police said yesterday. Eighteen-year old Roop Kanwar’s husband, Mansingh, had died in a hospital in Kikar district on Friday, His body was later taken to his home village at Diwrala for cremation. Roop Kanwar sat on the funeral pyre while it was lit by one of Mansingh ‘ s relatives. Hundreds of villagers who knew of her “Sati” well in advance gathered at the spot shouting slogans in praise of the burning widow. Police, who claimed to have received the information late, registered a case against four close relatives of Mansingh for having “HELPED” Roop Kanwar commit “Sati”.
Roop Kanwar’s husband, Mansingh took more than Rs. 100,000 worth of dowry in the form of money, 25 tola of gold, a TV, a radio and a refrigerator. Though Mansingh had demanded dowry worth of 200,000 rupees, her father had success- fully negotiated and reduced the amount to Rs. 100,000/=. So far in the same village more than 23 dowry killings have occurred in the last 3 years as recompense for not bringing the promised dowry in time.
The paper continues that the most revealing statement came from Mr. Cheeta Singh, a village teacher who said:
“After all, she had no life to took forward to. As a widow, remarriage was out of the question in the Hindu tradition bound community”.
The teacher continues:
“The society treats a widow as a “kulachani” (an evil omen) and a economic liability. She has to remain barefoot, sleep on the floor and is not allowed to venture out of the house. She is slandered if seen talking to any male. It was better that she died, than live such a life,” he said.
COMPULSORY “SATI”
A report from REUTER (25-9-87): said that Roop Kanwar was forced onto the funeral pyre against her will and struggled to save her life. Some villagers alleged that Roop Kanwar was forced onto the pyre and that she cried piteously as she died. A police report established conclusively on 4-10-87 that Roop Kanwar did try to escape from the pyre before it was lit. But she was unable to do so as logs of wood were stacked up to her neck. Her screams, which the villagers insist was the recital of “Gayatri mantra,” were drowned in the slogans of “Sati mata kijai” (long live the lady of “Sati”). Although neighbours claimed that she was 18, the Times of India quoted school records as showing her date of birth as August 15th 1971.
A survey by a Calcutta Women’s Association reveals that most of the “Sati” are conducted because of the compulsion of the dead Hindu husbands close relatives, irrespective of the young widow’s protests to commit suicide. Though the Indian Law prohibits such a cruel act, never in Indian history have any of the dead Hindu husband’s close relatives been punished for forcing such crimes.
Had Roop Kunwar died in an accident instead of her husband, Mansingh would have sat as the groom in yet one more marriage ceremony with another beautiful girl. He would also pick up one more dowry worth 100,000 rupees and as a result Mansingh’s parents would have gained another colourful income.
THE FATHER’S REACTION
Knowing that Kanwar’s father would not allow such a cruel murder, Mansingh’s parents had not even informed her father, he came to know of the incidents only through newspaper reports the next day.
Roop Kanwar’s father has lost his beautiful, young and only daughter in a cruel forceful murder in the name of Hinduism. Look at the atrocities to the Hindu women. BEING A HINDU WOMAN IS A CURSE.
DR. LAKSHMFS ADVICE TO BRAHMIN WOMEN
Dr. Lakshmi, a well known gynecologist and social worker from Delhi, and who herself is a Brahmin (and married to the age of 37), suggests that Brahmin women should come out of their shells and act their own since she claims that their corroded thoughts won’t save them at all.
Dr. Lakshmi again claims that most of the women who get married after 25 are not virgins. (Most Brahmin women do not get married until they are 30. For this long delay the Brahmin male is responsible for finally getting a SECOND HAND SPOUSE. She challenges that abstention from sexual activity is against the nature of the human physical body. She also says that it is the responsibility of the society to get them married quickly as in other religions.
She says that if you are a Hindu woman you cannot love anyone you like and you cannot marry anyone whom you choose. Your birth sign (stars) should match your mate’s birth sign. In addition you should meet the unbearable dowry demand.
FUCK iSLAM
FUCK hINDUISM
I am aware of that.
However, I am now aware that any large percentage of Hindus actually believes that, much less lives by it.
Do you know differently.
I would refer you to our sidebar, and the posts called "GAME OVER".
I have seen documentaries...
Many men murder their wives to get another one: another dowry.
«Tom O'Neill of National Geographic reported that acid throwing is also used to enforce the caste system in modern India, where uppercaste individuals often attack Dalits for supposedly violating the order.»
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing
Some people sell themselves as slaves to get a dowry for their daughters as no woman will ever be able to get marry without a dowry. It's supposed to pay the expenses the groom's parents had to bringing him up. Disgusting!
I'd like to see polls so we could compare the relative evil of Hindu society vs. Islamic society.
I think you'd agree that Islamic society is worse, right?
Those murderers murder their wives by stating a gas explosion of some sorts to look like an accident.
It's already happening in Europe:
Slain Swede's husband wanted 'a way out'
Hugo Keith, a lawyer representing South African authorities, disclosed to Belmarsh Magistrate's Court that Shrien Dewani, 31, had previously told a witness he "needed a way out" of his marriage to Anni, his 28-year-old wife, a native of Mariestad in central Sweden.
"Dewani told (the unnamed witness) in April 2010 how he was engaged and had to get married," Keith said.
"He said although she was a nice, lovely girl who he liked, he could not break out of the engagement because he would be disowned by his family.
"He went on to say to the witness he needed to find a way out of it," added the lawyer.
Dewani was allowed to leave court early on medical grounds and returned to Fromeside Clinic, a secure mental health unit in Bristol, south west England, where he is being held on bail.
He was detained there last month after being kicked out of another hospital for disruptive and aggressive behaviour.
An expert on South Africa's prison system warned that if extradited, Dewani would be targeted by prisoners due to rumours about his sexuality.
"He's likely to be very vulnerable to sexual violence because of certain of his characteristics," Sasha Gear, from Johannesburg's Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation, said by video link.
"The connections that have been made with homosexuality put him at additional risk," she added. "Inmates perceived to be gay are very vulnerable in prison and allegations of homosexuality ... put him at risk."
http://www.thelocal.se/33520/20110502/
THE WORST PART:
Some are saying (I don't know how many) that Christianity is not European's religion because it's (they say) a semitic religion and that we should adopt an aryan religion maybe hinduism...
[rolling eyes]
Google documentaries, news, reports...
«I think you'd agree that Islamic society is worse, right?»
Right.
Pastorius,
Here's something interesting, dealing with Indian society and culture, particular the Indian caste System and discrimination based on caste.
Its an Australian civil rights website called dalitfreedom.org
Thing is, according to them, even through it dose not outlaw the caste system, the Indian constitution actually outlaws discrimination based on Caste.
«The Indian constitution outlaws discrimination on the basis of caste, but it does not outlaw the caste system itself. As the basis for discrimination is still in place, it is little surprise that discrimination persists despite the law.»
http://www.dalitfreedom.org.au/dalits/caste-system.html
Medieval Indian Women Medieval India was not women’s age it is supposed to be the ‘dark age’ for them. Medieval India saw many foreign conquests, which resulted in the decline in women’s status. When foreign conquerors like Muslims invaded India they brought with them their own culture. For them women was the sole property of her father, brother or husband and she does not have any will of her own. This type of thinking also crept into the minds of Indian people and they also began to treat their own women like this. One more reason for the decline in women’s status and freedom was that original Indians wanted to shield their women folk from the barbarous Muslim invaders. As polygamy was a norm for these invaders they picked up any women they wanted and kept her in their “harems”. In order to protect them Indian women started using ‘Purdah’, (a veil), which covers body.
Due to this reason their freedom also became affected. They were not allowed to move freely and this lead to the further deterioration of their status. These problems related with women resulted in changed mindset of people. Now they began to consider a girl as misery and a burden, which has to be shielded from the eyes of intruders and needs extra care. Whereas a boy child will not need such extra care and instead will be helpful as an earning hand. Thus a vicious circle started in which women was at the receiving end. All this gave rise to some new evils such as Child Marriage, Sati, Jauhar and restriction.
http://www.zeenews.com/news702369.html
100s of ‘minority women' gang raped in Bangladesh
Dhaka: A judicial commission has concluded that over 200 Hindu women were raped following the 2001 parliamentary election, forcing many terrorized families to flee the country.
The acts were allegedly committed by cadres of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) and its ally Jamaat-e-Islami who won the 2001 polls, the report said, citing the involvement of many top leaders and lawmakers of the alliance that is now in the opposition.
While the commission referred to the victims as "minority women", media reports of that period had identified them as Hindus.
With Begum Khaleda Zia as the prime minister, the BNP-Jamaat alliance ruled Bangladesh during 2001-06.
The violence went on for 15 months and "the barbarous act was intended to force them to leave the country. They were, in the eyes of the culprits, enemies as they voted for the Awami League", The Daily Star said Tuesday, quoting commission sources.
The commission submitted the report to Home Minister Sahara Khatun. It lists 3,625 incidents of major crimes, including killing, rape, arson and looting.
Media reports at that time had detailed the plight of hundreds of Hindu families crossing over to India, forcing the Indian government to express concern.
Bangladeshi poet Daud Hyder, who visited the camps in India where these families were lodged and wrote about it, was later charged with sedition and imprisoned.
The wave of violence was the subject of "Lajja" by novelist Taslima Nasreen, who angered the Islamists at home and was had to quit Bangladesh. She still remains exiled.
Many victims and their family members interviewed by the probe panel narrated harrowing experiences, but said they did not lodge police reports or undergo forensic tests for fear of inviting social stigma, the report says.
Many victims and their family members across the country contacted the commission when it was conducting the probe.
According to the panel, it would be "tough or, to some extent, impossible" to continue the probe into the rape allegations "as the victims themselves are unwilling to do the legal battle".
The probe panel found that most of the gang rapes occurred in the country's southern part - Bhola, Barisal, Agoiljhara and Gaurnadi.
The accused were acquitted for lack of witnesses. In some cases, police gave final reports while the names of the accused were dropped in over 500 cases out of the 3,625 major incidents.
With the passing of a decade, some of the accused utilised "good connection with ruling Awami League men", which forced the police to drop many cases, the media report said.
The panel has named several BNP and Jamaat leaders for their involvement in the post-poll violence.
"THE WORST PART:
Some are saying (I don't know how many) that Christianity is not European's religion because it's (they say) a semitic religion and that we should adopt an aryan religion maybe hinduism...
[rolling eyes]"
That's ignorance, pure and simple. Religion transcends race, or else it is blood religion, in which case it is a form of Paganism - worshiping the created, not the Creator - or polytheism.
Either God Created everyone and everything, or He did not.
If He did not, then other gods created other things, in which case, this universe has multiple gods.
At least Hinduism gets that part right. It is consistent with itself.
Those are very good points, Damien. Thank you.
Pastorius,
You're Welcome.
aryan is not a race, it's a culture. they can shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
hinduism gods:
Beef Eating Rama
When God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to is mother: “if has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty, MEAT DISHES. (Ayodha Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
Rama’s Many Wives
Mr. C.R. Sreenivasa lyengar’s translation of Valmiki Ramayana says: ” Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodha Kandam 8th Chapter, page 28). (The term “Rama’s wives” as been used in many places in Ramayan).
Rama's Disrespect for his Father
Rama called his father ” A FOOL, AN IDIOT” (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).
Rama’s Contempt for Women and Low Castes
Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).
Rama said, “Women should not be trusted” and that “Secrets should not be confided to the wife” (Ayodhya kandam, Chapter 100).
Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a “Shudra” (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).
Looking at is hand Rama said the Sanskirt slogan “O right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy.”
Rama's Death
Rama , like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and was DROWNED. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a “god die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world?
Lord Krishna/Krsna
Lord Krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at naked women?
The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.
God Shiva, Lord Ganesh & Goddess Parvathi
According to Hinduism, god Shiva’s head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located (if this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon)
According to Puranas, goddess Parvathi, wife of God Shiva, sought Shivas’s permission to have a baby When Shiva refused, Paravathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Preiyar used to call this god a “bundle fo dirt”).
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son’s head. How could a god make such a foolish mistake?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of baby elephant and transplanted in onto his son who then become known as the Elephant headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! Etc.
Kali Goddess of Violence
A recent report by the press trust of India stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess kali in India An AFP’s recent reports say: Hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi becuase Godess Kali had told him he woudl come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloot-thirsy kali is worshipped opnely in te length and breadth of India.
Kali’s statue stands naked aside the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Siva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in manifestations.
Pornography in Ramayana
Ramanaya also recounts the story of king Dasaratha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yagam) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the king. By this means, the king was able to have three sons-Ram, Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yagam, refer to the book “Gnana Surian”, published by the kudi Arasu Press.)
Does it mean Rama was born to a Brahmin?
The Ramayana tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest.
Devadasi (Religious Prostistution)
The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report (10-11-87), as a result of conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins). The latter, with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a means that gave prostitution their religious sanction. Poor low-caste Hindu girls, initially sold at private auctions, were later “dedicated” to the temples. They were then initiated in to prostitution Even to this day this religious prostitution blessed by Hindu religion is still alive in Karnataka and Maharashtra.
The Devadasi System Thrives
UNI. – TIMES OF INDIA – 10th Nov 1987: confirms that the practice of dedication young Harijan (Hindu) girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organization.
The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins) who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanctions. They noted in their study on – “Devadasis” – “the link between religious culture and child prostitution”.
The study revealed that girls from poor Hindu families were sold after puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from 500 to Rs. 5,000.
The study, made during health camps organized by the World Health Organization (WHO) in the Devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.
There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born (twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted by any of their holy books. Is that really so? Let’s find out:
“By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter.” — Manusmrti 11:85.
“People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman.” — Chandogya Upanisad 5:10:7.
“If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot iron nail ten-fingerslong should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot oil poured into his mouth and ears.” — Manusmrti 8:270-272.
“If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or have his buttocks cut off.” — Manusmrti 8:281.
“If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
“If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women, children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth.” — Manusmrti 9:229-230.
“The Sudra’s duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of ‘I’, and always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the next life).” — Manusmrti 9:334-335.
“A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them, for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins.” — Manusmrti 9:317-320.
“His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12.
In comparison, Sudras are as low as feet & Outcastes (avarna) are even below that status of course.
Hinduism & Polygamy/Polygyny
Although there is nothing explicitly wrong with polygyny, some Hindus have a delusion that Hinduism exclusively teaches monogamy. Let’s find out in the following scriptural quotes:
Hinduism knows the duties of a maharaja. However, some Hindus would say that the harem-concubines are not necessarily the king’s wives so this is not really polygyny & it is only allowed for the raja (king). To further clarify this issue:
“Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes.” — Visnusmrti 24:1. “One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says.” — Manusmrti 8:203-4. Manu’s decrees are regarded as inspired by God.
Also, Lord Krsna had 16,000 wives, Lord Visnu & Brahma also had multiple consorts and Ksatriyas are recorded in the itihasas (Mahabharata/Ramayana/etc.) as having as many as thousands of wives & thousands of progeny. However, the immoral news is that Hinduism also sanctions polyandry, not only conventional polygamy. In the epic, the Mahabharata (of which one book is the Bhagavad-Gita), which is a true istory of Hindustan (Bharat/India) according to traditional Hindus, the five renowned Pandava brothers were told by their mom Kunti to divide the prize they won equally among all brothers. Good advice…..but the prize they won turned out to be their wife, Draupadi — five brothers sharing one wife. Pathetic.
Approximately 90% of practicing Hindus commit idolatry & defend it as an authorized & integral practice for Hinduism. In fact, Hindu priests world-wide provide prayers, offerings & even bathe miniature idols in milk regularly; pious Hindus across the globe pray to & bow-down before such
idols of Krsna, Ram/Sita, Linga (Phallus), Siva, Elephants (Ganesa), Monkeys (Hanuman), Cows (Nandi/etc.), Brahma, Yoni (Vagina), Nude Kali (Naked Dravidian-looking Goddess with a protruding blood-thirsty tongue), Snakes(Nag), Hogs (Varaha – Boar Avatar), Turtles (Kurma – Turtle Avatar), Fish (Matsya – Fish Avatar), Goats (Agni – Sacrificial Goat w/Flames — the Fire-God), Fire-God (Agni), Sun-God (Surya/etc.), Moon-God (Candresvara), etc. Some remote sects & tribes of Hinduism even worship crocodiles, camels, donkeys, dogs, rats, toys, frogs, insects and other absurdities.
Hinduism states that sex with animals is not nearly as bad as sex with a (human) outcaste; for sex with a cow or some other animal, it’s pardonable, but for sex with a (human) outcaste, a twice-born Hindu should be executed:
“An adulterer shall be made to pay the highest amercement if he has had connection with a woman of his own caste; for adultery with women of a lower caste, the second amercement; the same (fine is ordained) for a bestial crime committed with a cow. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death. For a bestial crime committed withcattle (other than cows) he shall be fined a hundred Karshapanas.” — Visnusmrti 5:40-44.
Just as incest is not an infrequent theme in Hindu scripture, sex withanimals is also not an uncommon motif in Hinduism. Indeed, great rishis (sages) have been born through bestiality (ref. Manusmrti 10:69-72.). The rishi Rsyasrnga had a deer for a mom. Furthermore, Pandu (the dad of the five famous Pandava princes) had accidentally killed a rishi who was in animal form having sex with a deer (ref. Mahabharata Adiparvan 95.). Hindu queens and other Aryan women of diverse provinces in ancient Hindustan used to have sex with dead horses during the Asvamedha sacrifice, and Lord Rama’s mom Kausalya spent an entire night having sex with a carcass of a sacrificial horse in Valmiki Ramayana (ref. Ramayana 1:13:24-33.). Bestiality depictions have also been found at the Khajuraho temple-complex in Hindustan.
Lord Brahma's Incest
“Brahma desired Sarasvati and went to her, asking her to stay with him. She, being his daughter, was furious at this and said, ‘Your mouth speaks inauspiciously and so you will always speak in a contrary way.’ From that day, Brahma’s fifth head always spoke evilly and coarsely. Therefore one day when Siva was wandering about with Parvati and came to see Brahma, Brahma’s four heads praised Siva but the fifth made an evil sound. Siva, displeased with the fifth head, cut it off. The skull remained stuck fast to Siva’s hand, and though he was capable of burning it up, Siva wandered the earth with it for the sake of all people, until he came to Benares.” — Siva Purana, Jnanasamhita 49:65-80.
Another version:
“Brahma desired his daughter and took the form of a stag to pursue her as a doe. The Brahmins called him to shame, and Rudra shot him with an arrow. The deer’s head came away from Brahma’s body and became a constellation in the sky. But then Gayatri and Sarasvati [the wives of Brahma] had no husband. They performed tapas for Siva, and he agreed to revive their husband, giving Brahma the four heads of Nandin and others of his hosts. Brahma arose and praised Siva.” — Skanda Purana 3:40:1-59.
There are many instances of incest in sacred Hindu scriptures.
Damien said...
Pastorius,
Obviously those people who say that Christianity is not Europe's religion, because its Semitic are not only racists, but are ignoring History.
Yes Christianity has Semitic origins. So what? It doesn't make Christianity a non European religion.
Most people in Europe converted Christianity a few centuries before or after the fall of the Roman Empire, and Rome became Christian before it fell. Christianity is not a religion that you have to be a certain race, in order to join. That's one of the reasons why its so large today.
Not to mention the fact that I don't think most Europeans saw themselves as Aryans, even at the time when they were the most racist.
Friday, May 06, 2011 3:41:00 PM
some of those people are «hanging around» with pagans.
It's like the koran:
"Thou, Indra, art the destroyer of all the cities, the slayer of the Dasyus, the prosperer of man, the lord of the sky." - RgV. VIII 87.6
"Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, the destroyer of cities, has scattered the Dasyu (hosts) sprang from a black womb." RgV. II 20.6
Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5 - "O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."
Black skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda: starting with a description of the "black skin" (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242.
For example in RgV. IX 73 it is said that “stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin", and it claims that “the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven - RgV. IX 73.5
Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the “black skin” was conquered.
The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4
"Black skin is impious" (‘Dasam varnam adharam’) -Sans., Rg.V. II.12.4
Indra - 4.16.13 - "Thou to the son of Vidathin, Rjisvan, gavest up mighty Mrgaya and Pipru. Thou smotest down the swarthy fifty thousand, and rentest forts as age consumes a garment."
etc.
I studied Hinduism quite a bit in my early 20's, when I was in college. I like Hinduism. It appeals to the Hippie in me.
I think there are truths about life which are embedded in Hinduism.
I find little truth in Islam. All I find is posturing, ego, violence, deceit, will to power, etc.
I did not know about the bestiality part of Hinduism, but it should not surprise me, as you are likely to find everything in Hinduism, given that it is a Pantheistic religion.
It is, perhaps, the original organized Pagan religion. I do not know enough about history to know whether that is true, but it would seem to be.
What is your interest in Hinduism? Are you a man or a woman? Are you Hindu? What religion are you? Do you live in America or Europe? If not, then where do you live?
Anonymous,
You wrote,
"Aryan is not a race, it's a culture. they can shove it where the sun doesn't shine."
What? I'm sorry, but I've never heard some say that Aryan is the name of a culture not a race. Hitler Saw Aryans as a race and so did the people who called themselves Aryans that invaded what eventually become known as India.
Pastorius said...
I studied Hinduism quite a bit in my early 20's, when I was in college. I like Hinduism. It appeals to the Hippie in me.
I think there are truths about life which are embedded in Hinduism.
I find little truth in Islam. All I find is posturing, ego, violence, deceit, will to power, etc.
I did not know about the bestiality part of Hinduism, but it should not surprise me, as you are likely to find everything in Hinduism, given that it is a Pantheistic religion.
It is, perhaps, the original organized Pagan religion. I do not know enough about history to know whether that is true, but it would seem to be.
What is your interest in Hinduism? Are you a man or a woman? Are you Hindu? What religion are you? Do you live in America or Europe? If not, then where do you live?
Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:49:00 AM
islam is a mockery of all religions, a complete piece of sh*t, THE WORST OF ALL.
i'm european.
What? I'm sorry, but I've never heard some say that Aryan is the name of a culture not a race. Hitler Saw Aryans as a race
hitler wanted to run the world.
and so did the people who called themselves Aryans that invaded what eventually become known as India.
what does it have to do with europeans?
So then, why are you concerned with Hinduism? It doesn't affect your life, does it?
By the way, there is a new "Great Moments in the History of Pacifism" up on the front page. Once again, it's about Gandhi.
Pastorius said...
So then, why are you concerned with Hinduism? It doesn't affect your life, does it?
Saturday, May 07, 2011 2:04:00 AM
Pastorius said...
By the way, there is a new "Great Moments in the History of Pacifism" up on the front page. Once again, it's about Gandhi.
Saturday, May 07, 2011 2:05:00 AM
hinduism has everything to do with gandhi.
did you know gandhi tested himself by sleeping with naked grand-nieces manu and abha?!
Yes, I knew that.
Hinduism is a multi-faceted religion.
The single most peaceful major religion in the world (in terms of the actions of it's adherents) was birthed out of Hinduism. That would be Buddhism, though you probably know that.
Sushila, who in 1947 was 33, was now due to be supplanted in the bed of the 77-year-old Gandhi by a woman almost half her age. While in Bengal to see what comfort he could offer in times of inter-communal violence in the run-up to independence, Gandhi called for his 18-year-old grandniece Manu to join him – he told her, "we must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked. A pervert.
«The single most peaceful major religion in the world (in terms of the actions of it's adherents) was birthed out of Hinduism. That would be Buddhism, though you probably know that.»
Do you remember the buddha statues in Afghanistan? Buddhism is being wiped out by islam.
Damien said...
Anonymous,
In response to what I wrote,
What? I'm sorry, but I've never heard some say that Aryan is the name of a culture not a race. Hitler Saw Aryans as a race
aryans settled in iran, iraq (partly), afghanistan, north india... they were the indo-iranian languages speakers.
You wrote
hitler wanted to run the world.
Yes, so? What does that have to do with who he regarded as Aryan?
hitler sent some people abroad as far as tibet to investigate old civilizations for his own ambitions.
In response to what I wrote,
and so did the people who called themselves Aryans that invaded what eventually become known as India.
you wrote,
what does it have to do with europeans?
...but everyone that I know of that calls themselves an Aryan claims to be part of the Aryan race. None of them say its a cultural thing.
it's their opinion.
its ridiculously to say that Christianity is not European because its not Aryan, because I don't think most Europeans ever saw themselves as Aryans. Certainly the Nazis saw themselves as Aryans (in racial terms,) but Germany was a Christian Country during World War 2, and that part of the World had been Christian for a long time. Even most of the Nazis regarded themselves as Christian, and were at least nominally Christian.
Saturday, May 07, 2011 2:58:00 AM
i agree with you about christianity.
Damien said...
Anonymous
fine, but most people in Europe, when they talk about Aryans, talk about it in racial terms like the Nazis did.
hitler considered only the japanese as a people on equal terms with the german people and he made an alliance with muslims against other europeans just like franco did.
And from what I understand, the Aryan people who invaded India, saw themselves as a distinct race from the native Dravidians.
Off course they were no such thing. We are all human beings, and humanity is not separated into superior and inferior races,
I agree with you.
or even simply distinct races. But most people in the west at least, and from what I understand, probably in India as well, think of the word Aryan as referring to racial category. People generally don't think of it as something in terms of culture, separate from biological ancestry or physical characteristics. But I can see your point.
Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:32:00 AM
for poeple who think there are races, there are 3 races (or 4 races). which race is aryan?
Anonymous,
People have actually classified people as way more than four races in the past, and people disagree on what people are in one race and what people belong to another, and its pretty arbitrary, the way we categorize races. Its much more of social construct than a biological one. I remember hearing my collage biological anthropology class, that, Modern Anthropologist use something called populations, instead of races to categorize different groups of people now. Its a little different, but its kind of hard to explain. Anyway, one person who looks like he's more closely related to one group of people may actually be more closely related to one that he looks less like he is related to. Also, there are often far greater genetic differences between individuals within one "race" than there is between the different "races"
Damien
for poeple who think there are races, there are the caucasoid, the negroid, the mongoloid (and maybe the australoid). which one is aryan?
Anonymous,
Racists also tend to see Jews as a separate race. They also believe different groups of white Europeans into different races. Those four are not the only racial category people have.
«Racists also tend to see Jews as a separate race. They also believe different groups of white Europeans into different races. Those four are not the only racial category people have.»
Damien,
They say the 3, 4 races are made of several subraces, a subrace represents a branch of a race. Which one is aryan?
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