Thursday, May 23, 2013

Yet Another Shoe Drops

but they won't say why

Fox:

Obama administration acknowledges drone strikes killed 4 Americans since 2009

Four American citizens have been killed in counter-terrorism drone strikes since 2009, the Obama administration acknowledged for the first time Wednesday.

Attorney General Eric Holder disclosed the previously classified information in a letter to a top senator that also included the names of those killed and the revelation that only one was directly targeted in the strikes that began in 2009. He did not specifically call them drone strikes – rather, he referred to “counterterrorism operations” – but most of the individuals he mentioned are known to have died in drone strikes.

The targeted individual, Anwar al-Awlaki, was a radical Muslim cleric whom U.S. officials said was involved in planning Al Qaeda operations and terror attacks. He was killed in September 2011 in Yemen.

The acknowledgement came ahead of a major counterterrorism policy speech by President Obama scheduled for Thursday.

Holder said in the letter that the Obama administration is “aware” of three other U.S. citizens killed in such counter-terrorism operations besides al-Awlaki: Samir Khan, Jude Kennan Mohammed and Awlaki’s son Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, Holder said.

However, Holder wrote, “these individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States.”
Holder addressed the letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

Khan died in the same drone strike that killed Anwar al-Awlaki. Abdurrahman, al-Awlaki’s 16-year-old son and a Denver native, was killed in Yemen two weeks later. Mohammed was killed in a drone strike in Pakistan.

The White House responded just minutes after the information was made public in another news report, saying President Obama ordered the disclosure to build on his effort – included in this year's State of the Union address – “to pursue greater transparency around our counter-terrorism operations.”

A White House official told Fox News the release of the information coincides with a scheduled speech Thursday by the president in which he will discuss the country’s “broader counter-terrorism strategy,” including the policy and legal rationale for the use of targeted, lethal force against Al Qaeda and its associated forces.

The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a New Mexico native who was educated at George Washington University, was widely known even before the release Wednesday and sparked widespread debate over whether an American citizen abroad or on U.S. soil should be targeted and killed without a trial.

Holder laid out the administration’s case in specific detail, writing, “al-Awlaki was a senior operational leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the most dangerous regional affiliate of al Qaeda and a group that has committed numerous terrorist attacks overseas and attempted multiple times to conduct terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland.”

The attorney general also said al-Awlaki was “intimately involved in detailed planning and putting in place plots against U.S. persons” and that he made clear he wanted the attacks to kill Americans.

Holder cited in his five-page letter the justification he made in 2012 for the program, when he said “it is an unfortunate but undeniable fact” that a “small number” of U.S. citizens “have decided to commit violent attacks against their own country from abroad.”

"Since entering office, the president has made clear his commitment to providing Congress and the American people with as much information as possible about our sensitive counterterrorism operations," Holder also told Leahy. "The administration is determined to continue these extensive outreach efforts to communicate with the American people."

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jude Kenan Mohammad was also on the FBI's most wanted list. Unfortunately it appears the fbi link is changed but here is a twitter revealing it's existence earlier today:
https://twitter.com/johnsifton/status/337304462349709312

Pastorius said...

I'm sorry, I'm having trouble getting worked up over this.

This is one of the few areas where I think Obama has done a good job.

Pastorius said...

These people may be technically "American citizens", but they are Jihadists; ENEMY COMBATANTS, is the legal term, according to international law.

FUCK 'EM.

FUCK 'EM IN THE ASS.

Nicoenarg said...

FUCK 'EM IN THE ASS.

Don't do it!!!! You might widen their anus and help them further the cause of Allah!

Nicoenarg said...

Other than that though Pasto I agree with you. I'd much rather these animals get killed with drones than them living in prisons on American taxpayer dollars for the rest of their miserable lives.

Pastorius said...

Fuck 'em up the ass with a missile.

How's that?

Nicoenarg said...

LOL. I like that one much better!

Christine said...

I agree with you. I have absolutely no problem with them meeting their 70 goats with syphilis.

Pastorius said...

Fuck 'em in the ass, right Christine?

;-)

Christine said...

Precisely dude. :)

Epaminondas said...

It's a dangerous path, but these people who are citizens calling for jihad, have, I think, WAVED certain protections. But make no mistake, IT IS A DANGEROUS PATH.
One day some innocent american WILL get killed.
One day some govt here will decide some american NOT connected to terrorism is a danger.
With every missile used PROPERLY this becomes ever more inevitable.

The Awlakis DESERVE their fate. But we buy their death at a high price.

As did Lincoln with his CLEARLY extra constitutional solutions, which saved the nation but at a VERY VERY high cost.

Each time we 'solve' a problem like this makes it easier to do it next time.

Pastorius said...

I understand everyone's concern and reticence about the precedent.

HOWEVER, this is not another "scandal". this is not among the scandals.

This is Obama doing his job, and maybe making some errors, but even if they are errors he did them because he was actually trying to help.

Now, why he is trying to help in this case and not others, I will never ever get that.

But I'm not going to complain when the guy actually does try to help.

midnight rider said...

I'm not as comfortable with this as you seem to be. Awlaki, yes. His son, probably yes. The others we know nothing about and are taking the admin's word for it. Not with their record of abuse.

“an aider, and abettor, and / or co-conspirator” in violating the Espionage Act, noting that the crime can be punished by ten years in prison.

That's how the FBI described James Rosen.

And what is now to stop the admin from using drones, already in the air over America, from using them on an American citizen they claim is a terrorist or terrorism aider and abettor having otherwise set the precedent?

midnight rider said...

And yet he just said he wants to close Gitmo, send some detainees to 3rd countries AND TRY OTHER FOREIGN TERRORISTS IN AMRICAN COURTS.

Pastorius said...

Here's the thing, legally, if he does not call them enemy combatants, he can't kill them.

midnight rider said...

Agreed. But my concern/problem/issue/whatever is that first, three were not targeted but were killed because of their proximity to someone who was. Now in Awlaki's son's case acorn tree good riddance. But the other two could well have been jihadists OR could have been Joe Green walking nearby. And although I know where the odds on the answer lie that does not excuse it beyond a reasonable doubt. Neither Obama nor Congress has the right to be judge jury and executioner of American citizens (unless, they are nabbed in the act, killed on the battlefield engaged with U.S. troops and the drones are sent to help etc.)

Secondly is the whole what if it happens within the U.S. itself business?

Thirdly he wants to bring Gitmo detainees to an American court for an American civil trial, affording them more protections than American citizens who are supposed to be presumed innocent etc.(see exception above).

And finally, in that incoherent rambling speech today he said he wants to limit civilian casualties from drone strikes.

Wait just a fucking minute. . .

You want to make sure you don't hurt any civilians who are very likely helping hide these guys (now THAT'S aiding and or abetting) or at the very least know they are among them but if an American gets caught in the crossfire it's ok?

Fuck the foreigners that get blasted. They were the same sonsabitches cheering celebrating and handing out candy when the Towers fell. They have a chance to turn them over or get blasted. Their choice.

Pastorius said...

So, you're saying the other three were collateral damage?

midnight rider said...

That is my understanding reading the article.

So maybe they deserved it, maybe not. But we'll never know.

Although I wholeheartedly approve of the drone program -- and always have -- for dealing with the motherfuckers it is too easy to play fast and loose with it. ESPECIALLY where American citizens are concerned.

Hypothetically -- what happens if an unpopular reporter -- say a James Rosen -- is a little too close to a bad y when the Hellfire hits?

Oops! We accidentally killed an American citizen because of his proximity?

Or Oop! he was deemed an aider and abettor?

I do not trust this administration.

Pastorius said...

And with good reason.