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Friday, August 16, 2013
Egyptians Are Trolling Obama's Facebook Page, Telling Him To Stop Supporting Terrorism and Leave Them Alone
Hehe. Oh the speech in Cairo...the Nobel Prize. People are going to read about Obama in history books and think this generation consisted of a bunch of imbeciles to have supported such an idiot.
And no offense to you guys but they're going to think Americans were high to have re-elected this moron as President.
At the time it seemed like the perfect plan. Where else would you go but Egypt to try and stir things up? After all, Egypt is the birthplace of Muslim Brotherhood...the organization that has successfully attacked the evil American Empire all over the world in the shape of Hamas, CAIR, Al Qaeda, etc etc etc. Muslim Brotherhood would surely take control and teach the evil American Empire a lesson. No more Muslims having to listen to anyone but surely everyone would now start listening to Muslims and doing as they demand! "The future shall not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!!"
And I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood thought, in the classic Islamic way, that once they got power, the caliphate will be established. The whole world would run to them, bowing down to Allah and joining forces with them to destroy that despicable little country, that doesn't exist by the way, called Israel.
Fortunately for us, and most importantly the moronic and suicidal Christians of Egypt who supported "anything but Mobarak", the utopia of liberals/communists/socialists and that of Muslims has never been and will never be a reality. Once reality hits them in the face, they start crying like little babies and have no idea as what to do and how to act in the REAL world.
Unfortunately for all of us, liberals/communists/socialists and Muslims never learn from their mistakes and they try the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. And that, I believe, is the definition of insanity (as someone once said). Liberals/communists/socialists have capitalists and hard working people to blame for their failures and Muslims have the infidels. This is a never-ending war that we find ourselves in.
Personally though, on Egypt, I don't care how "Islamist" Asisi is, I'd take him over any "democratically" elected government in that country. That is how much I trust Muslims.
They are desperate. This shattered their Utopian view of what was supposed to happen.
This isn't just Morsi and MB losing ground, this is Allah losing ground. And this is something they have worked toward since 1928.
Muslims have been gaining for the last however many decades and this looks like after they won small battles and right when they could smell eternal victory, it was all "cruelly" yanked away from them.
So of course they're pissed. They're acting like the animals they truly are by burning churches and people with in them. They remained tame for so long and when they had what they wanted, the evil people took it away from them.
This brings me to this: Muslims have gained a lot in the West. Expect similar behavior if and when infidels finally wake up and fight back.
Changing their tactics? Nope. Like I said, they're pissed exactly because they didn't anticipate losing like they did. That doesn't mean they're sitting around a table thinking, "Yup, let's ditch this non violent attitude". I said they're pissed. From my comment above:
So of course they're pissed. They're acting like the animals they truly are by burning churches and people with in them. They remained tame for so long and when they had what they wanted, the evil people took it away from them.
Also, it doesn't matter if in reality they are near defeat. What matters is how they perceive what's going on. And don't forget that the leadership isn't planning every single move of the idiots on the streets. The idiots are lashing out on their own. All they needed was a nudge in the direction.
Islam has always had a long term plan which is the establishment of Shariah and the rule of Allah over the whole planet. That has never been in dispute and I'm sure you know that. Islam, without that long term plan of the promise of supremacy over all in the end, doesn't stand a chance of holding all these idiots together.
As for them and Islam being evil. Yup, not arguing with that.
They have worked HARD for 85 years to cultivate an image as a non-violent organization. As a policy they have left the violence to their offshoot groups like Hamas.
Now they are being violent, and evidence shows it is planned, it is not merely a spontaneous reaction by hotheads on the ground.
Yesterday (Thursday) the MB hotheads on the ground (either planned or unplanned) torched something like 70 churches and murdered countless Christians.
On Friday, the MB DECLARED A DAY OF RAGE.
THAT'S POLICY.
There was tremendous violence yesterday and then they amped it up by asking for more.
THAT IS POLICY.
It's not just hotheaded stuff.
You write: the leadership isn't planning every single move of the idiots on the streets. The idiots are lashing out on their own. All they needed was a nudge in the direction.
First off, I'm only talking about the MB in Egypt. That is, I am not talking about CAIR.
Now MB's history in Egypt has been full of violent acts including an assassination attempt against Gemal Abdel Nasser, the Egyptian president in the early 50s.
MB has only been silent the passed some decades not because they were working hard to portray some peaceful agenda while hiding their true intentions but because they were hunted like dogs by the military leaders of Egypt all the way up until 2011.
As for declaring a day of rage. This is what I was referring to as a nudge. It's Friday today. Not that hard to get Muslims riled up on their "holiest day of the week". You've said this before and i have said it too, they're angry. Unlike your opinion though, my opinion is that this is out of anger and nothing more. There may be policy in them thinking they can win back the country if they murder enough people but if such they're thinking thusly then even that "policy" is borne out of anger as a result of what happened.
Again, the main branch of MB, the Egyptian branch, has not be conciously portraying themselves as peaceful. Sure CAIR and other related organizations try to paint such a picture but in the Middle East we never thought of MB as "the non violent political party" mainly due to their history.
I also disagree with you that this violence could be an existential threat to MB. Trying to assassinate a president didnt prove as an existential threat and neither would this. If the military doesn't cave in to pressure from Obama then they will deal with the MB as they've historically dealt with them and the MB will go hide under some other rock for some more years until they can inite people to overthrow another military baked president and this cycle will continue for as long as Islam and the concept of shariah and a worldwide caliphate exists.
Anyway, you and I seem to be on completely different pages on this one. I am failing to see why you insist they were trying to be non violent for 85 years. I actually don't understand to what you're referring to.
The reason I think they have been non-violent is because that is what the media has always told us; the Muslim Brotherhood is a non-violent organization.
Apparently, that is not true.
I was aware that a MB affiliated person had been involved in that assassination, but I didn't know the MB was directly involved as policy.
I never buy this "peaceful Muslims" bit anyway. It's always good cop/bad cop.
That's what Fatah and Hamas do in the Palestinian Territories. It's the game CAIR and Hamas play in the US. It's the same game Muslim extremists play all over the world.
Anyway, apparently you are right, because you are telling me something about the MB I did not know.
The Muslim Brothers began in the 1930s as a legalist, anti-colonialist and nonviolent movement that claimed legitimacy for armed resistance in Palestine against Zionist expansionism during the period before World War II. The writings from between 1930 and 1945 of Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Brotherhood, show that he opposed colonialism and strongly criticized the fascist governments in Germany and Italy. He rejected use of violence in Egypt, even though he considered it legitimate in Palestine, in resistance to the Zionist Stern and Irgun terror gangs. He believed that the British parliamentary model represented the kind closest to Islamic principles.
Al-Banna’s objective was to found an “Islamic state” based on gradual reform, beginning with popular education and broad-based social programs. He was assassinated in 1949 by the Egyptian government on the orders of the British occupiers. Following Gamal Abdel Nasser’s revolution in 1952, the movement was subjected to violent repression.
There are hundreds of articles like that in the NYT and the Washington Post.
Let me be clear, I am not saying I believed the MB was a fundamentally anti-Jihad organization. I am only saying that according to the prevalent claims of the American media, the MB would seem to have pulled off being a "non-violent" organization all these years.
In other words, according to the media (and I don't hear this disputed) the MB, as an institution, has not been involved in directing violence, perpetrating violence, or calling for violence in Egypt for all these years.
18 comments:
If Obama were to go there now, they would kill him.
Peace talks!! LOL
Getting really nasty over there. A new comment:
" Fuke in ur mother Obama "
Well that speech in Cairo sure was an important marker in history, huh?
God what a turd he is.
Yep. Doesn't matter what he says or does now, it's over.
Hehe. Oh the speech in Cairo...the Nobel Prize. People are going to read about Obama in history books and think this generation consisted of a bunch of imbeciles to have supported such an idiot.
And no offense to you guys but they're going to think Americans were high to have re-elected this moron as President.
At the time it seemed like the perfect plan. Where else would you go but Egypt to try and stir things up? After all, Egypt is the birthplace of Muslim Brotherhood...the organization that has successfully attacked the evil American Empire all over the world in the shape of Hamas, CAIR, Al Qaeda, etc etc etc. Muslim Brotherhood would surely take control and teach the evil American Empire a lesson. No more Muslims having to listen to anyone but surely everyone would now start listening to Muslims and doing as they demand! "The future shall not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!!"
And I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood thought, in the classic Islamic way, that once they got power, the caliphate will be established. The whole world would run to them, bowing down to Allah and joining forces with them to destroy that despicable little country, that doesn't exist by the way, called Israel.
Fortunately for us, and most importantly the moronic and suicidal Christians of Egypt who supported "anything but Mobarak", the utopia of liberals/communists/socialists and that of Muslims has never been and will never be a reality. Once reality hits them in the face, they start crying like little babies and have no idea as what to do and how to act in the REAL world.
Unfortunately for all of us, liberals/communists/socialists and Muslims never learn from their mistakes and they try the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. And that, I believe, is the definition of insanity (as someone once said). Liberals/communists/socialists have capitalists and hard working people to blame for their failures and Muslims have the infidels. This is a never-ending war that we find ourselves in.
Personally though, on Egypt, I don't care how "Islamist" Asisi is, I'd take him over any "democratically" elected government in that country. That is how much I trust Muslims.
Nicoenarg
AL-SISI**
Nicoenarg
You know, it just occurred to me, the MB has always worked hard to maintain the "non-violent" tag.
But here they are staging a revolution which is leading to the deaths of hundreds.
This means they are desperate, I think.
Could it be we've actually reached Sauron's eye, already?
They are desperate. This shattered their Utopian view of what was supposed to happen.
This isn't just Morsi and MB losing ground, this is Allah losing ground. And this is something they have worked toward since 1928.
Muslims have been gaining for the last however many decades and this looks like after they won small battles and right when they could smell eternal victory, it was all "cruelly" yanked away from them.
So of course they're pissed. They're acting like the animals they truly are by burning churches and people with in them. They remained tame for so long and when they had what they wanted, the evil people took it away from them.
This brings me to this: Muslims have gained a lot in the West. Expect similar behavior if and when infidels finally wake up and fight back.
Nicoenarg
The MB has been around for 85 years, and suddenly they are changing their tactics in a way which has existential implications.
That is odd.
I do not believe they are near to defeat.
If they were what we Westerners think of as a "rational" organization, then this change in tactics would mean they were near defeat.
In their case, it probably just means they're angry and can't control themselves.
People who think Islam has a long plan are RIGHT AND WRONG.
Muslims are evil, because Islam is evil. Evil always destroys itself because it is by nature greedy, slothful, prideful, wrathful, lustful, etc.
They will fight amongst themselves, they will lash out, they will act like sharks in a feeding frenzy.
That's what evil does.
Changing their tactics? Nope. Like I said, they're pissed exactly because they didn't anticipate losing like they did. That doesn't mean they're sitting around a table thinking, "Yup, let's ditch this non violent attitude". I said they're pissed. From my comment above:
So of course they're pissed. They're acting like the animals they truly are by burning churches and people with in them. They remained tame for so long and when they had what they wanted, the evil people took it away from them.
Also, it doesn't matter if in reality they are near defeat. What matters is how they perceive what's going on. And don't forget that the leadership isn't planning every single move of the idiots on the streets. The idiots are lashing out on their own. All they needed was a nudge in the direction.
Islam has always had a long term plan which is the establishment of Shariah and the rule of Allah over the whole planet. That has never been in dispute and I'm sure you know that. Islam, without that long term plan of the promise of supremacy over all in the end, doesn't stand a chance of holding all these idiots together.
As for them and Islam being evil. Yup, not arguing with that.
Nicoenarg
Nico,
They have worked HARD for 85 years to cultivate an image as a non-violent organization. As a policy they have left the violence to their offshoot groups like Hamas.
Now they are being violent, and evidence shows it is planned, it is not merely a spontaneous reaction by hotheads on the ground.
Yesterday (Thursday) the MB hotheads on the ground (either planned or unplanned) torched something like 70 churches and murdered countless Christians.
On Friday, the MB DECLARED A DAY OF RAGE.
THAT'S POLICY.
There was tremendous violence yesterday and then they amped it up by asking for more.
THAT IS POLICY.
It's not just hotheaded stuff.
You write: the leadership isn't planning every single move of the idiots on the streets. The idiots are lashing out on their own. All they needed was a nudge in the direction.
I say, I'm sorry. I don't think you are correct.
Okay.
First off, I'm only talking about the MB in Egypt. That is, I am not talking about CAIR.
Now MB's history in Egypt has been full of violent acts including an assassination attempt against Gemal Abdel Nasser, the Egyptian president in the early 50s.
MB has only been silent the passed some decades not because they were working hard to portray some peaceful agenda while hiding their true intentions but because they were hunted like dogs by the military leaders of Egypt all the way up until 2011.
As for declaring a day of rage. This is what I was referring to as a nudge. It's Friday today. Not that hard to get Muslims riled up on their "holiest day of the week". You've said this before and i have said it too, they're angry. Unlike your opinion though, my opinion is that this is out of anger and nothing more. There may be policy in them thinking they can win back the country if they murder enough people but if such they're thinking thusly then even that "policy" is borne out of anger as a result of what happened.
Again, the main branch of MB, the Egyptian branch, has not be conciously portraying themselves as peaceful. Sure CAIR and other related organizations try to paint such a picture but in the Middle East we never thought of MB as "the non violent political party" mainly due to their history.
I also disagree with you that this violence could be an existential threat to MB. Trying to assassinate a president didnt prove as an existential threat and neither would this. If the military doesn't cave in to pressure from Obama then they will deal with the MB as they've historically dealt with them and the MB will go hide under some other rock for some more years until they can inite people to overthrow another military baked president and this cycle will continue for as long as Islam and the concept of shariah and a worldwide caliphate exists.
Anyway, you and I seem to be on completely different pages on this one. I am failing to see why you insist they were trying to be non violent for 85 years. I actually don't understand to what you're referring to.
Nicoenarg
Sorry about the typos. I'm on the phone.
Nicoenarg
The reason I think they have been non-violent is because that is what the media has always told us; the Muslim Brotherhood is a non-violent organization.
Apparently, that is not true.
I was aware that a MB affiliated person had been involved in that assassination, but I didn't know the MB was directly involved as policy.
I never buy this "peaceful Muslims" bit anyway. It's always good cop/bad cop.
That's what Fatah and Hamas do in the Palestinian Territories. It's the game CAIR and Hamas play in the US. It's the same game Muslim extremists play all over the world.
Anyway, apparently you are right, because you are telling me something about the MB I did not know.
Here, check out this, and you will see why I have thought the MB had effectively pulled off a non-violent pose all these years
http://www.mrc.org/articles/how-non-violent-muslim-brotherhood
The Muslim Brothers began in the 1930s as a legalist, anti-colonialist and nonviolent movement that claimed legitimacy for armed resistance in Palestine against Zionist expansionism during the period before World War II. The writings from between 1930 and 1945 of Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Brotherhood, show that he opposed colonialism and strongly criticized the fascist governments in Germany and Italy. He rejected use of violence in Egypt, even though he considered it legitimate in Palestine, in resistance to the Zionist Stern and Irgun terror gangs. He believed that the British parliamentary model represented the kind closest to Islamic principles.
Al-Banna’s objective was to found an “Islamic state” based on gradual reform, beginning with popular education and broad-based social programs. He was assassinated in 1949 by the Egyptian government on the orders of the British occupiers. Following Gamal Abdel Nasser’s revolution in 1952, the movement was subjected to violent repression.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/opinion/09iht-edramadan09.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
There are hundreds of articles like that in the NYT and the Washington Post.
Let me be clear, I am not saying I believed the MB was a fundamentally anti-Jihad organization. I am only saying that according to the prevalent claims of the American media, the MB would seem to have pulled off being a "non-violent" organization all these years.
In other words, according to the media (and I don't hear this disputed) the MB, as an institution, has not been involved in directing violence, perpetrating violence, or calling for violence in Egypt for all these years.
If you say that is not true, then I believe you.
I see. I actually don't know if I'm right then. I was unaware of MB's coverage in the US media going back this many years.
My opinion about MB in Egypt was formed out of what I knew about them while in the Middle East.
I, I guess naively, also assumed that it was only recently (because of Barack Obama) that the US media was trying to paint the MB as peaceful.
Now that I see where you are coming from, I can see why it could be perplexing seeing the MB act the way they did.
And I guess it would make it weird seeing them all violent especially now that they want support from the West.
But maybe they are SURE that no matter what they do, Barack will always be their B*tch?
I'm not sure anymore.
NYT and WP seem like they were hell bent on telling the American people this lie about MB being peaceful.
F*** the media, their corruption started long before Barack Obama became president.
Nicoenarg
It's a funhouse mirror. Even those who know can't know anything.
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