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Saturday, February 11, 2006

A "Moderate" Muslim Speaks At Gates Of Vienna

Baron and Dymphna of Gates of Vienna have been visited by a "moderate Muslim recently named Eteraz. Dymphna seems to find the guy reasonable, but, of late, I have become suspicious of all the "moderate" Muslims who are all of the sudden popping up on our respective blogs.

Case in point, here's a statement from Eteraz which I think Dymphna's eyes may have slipped over:


I absolutely agree with you that there are destructive Muslims in Europe (and in other parts of the world including America). However, you seem to forget that at one point, there *were* Jews in Europe who were charging exorbitant interest and using their ability to extend interest in predatory activity.


This statement is part of a long ongoing dialogue with Eteraz. Dymphna concludes her post with this summation:


I reserve the right to pick and choose which Muslims make me paranoid. You’re not one of them.


I don't trust this guy at all. I think he has betrayed his true sensibilities with that statement. However, there may be more to this than I know. Hopefully, Dymphna will stop by and clarify for us.
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16 Comments:

Blogger eyesallaround said...

I agree. I see these sometimes, and can't really tell whether they're really moderate muslims or others pretending to be muslims. There was one over at viking-observer.blogspot named fedup who seemed really sincere, even volunteered to translate Arab websites (and did). I think it's possible that some are repulsed by the barbaric uncivilized behavior of their comrades. Maybe they even eventually decide to read the Koran and realize they've been "had". We can always hope.

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:24:00 pm  
Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

I find it easier in person. There's something you can sense in a person when looking them in the eye. In any case, one of the few people I trust in ferreting out the moderates is Daniel Pipes. He's on top of all the phony moderates from day one.

Did I tell you about the job applicant who tried to pass himself off as a Greek immigrant (but was dump enough not to notice my last name is Greek) and said he can't provide references because his firm was wiped out in the World Trade Center? He got people in my company to sympathize. But I found people in his previous company (they only lost one person) that said he ran off to Egypt after 9/11 and the FBI was on his tail. I had already figured out his name was Arabic. They also said he never finished a project.

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:39:00 pm  
Blogger John Sobieski said...

Here's the problem. We all know what the Quran and the Hadiths say. We know that over 50% of the verses in the Quran denigrate infidels or urge harm or murder by Muslims of them. Anyone who has read Andrew Bostom's book Legacy of Jihad (a must read and only about $20 bucks at Amazon, http://www.andrewbostom.org) knows NOTHING has changed. The same ranting against infidels has been documented by Mohammedan scholars themselves, culminating in Qutb, the modern day Islamic scholar. Thus a Muslim can never be your friend and be a real Muslim. Frankly, I don't care for in name only Muslims just like I don't care for RINOs. They can't say one thing, but worship malevolent words that are the exact opposite of what they present to me.

Jihad, both 'strong' and 'weak' have their characteristics. Strong jihad centers, like Hamas in the Pal Territories, can be bold, right in your face. A 'weak' jihadist must use taqiyya - he can take friends among the infidels, sin such as drinking or smoking to fit in, live a false life, if the end result is a strengthening of the ummah by his actions. It sounds so conspiratorial, but I understand there no boundaries, no limits.

Because the Quran is such a hate filled book, I view anyone who admires it or defends it with suspicion. Islam is a false religion and jihad and world domination are its foundation. Why should I trust anyone who believes in such crap?

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:48:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Jason,
Good story. Did you ever blog about that? Did you get the opportunity to see the look on the guys face when he found that he was found out?

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:48:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Eyes,
I'm sure there are many moderate Muslims out there. I just think that it is not a conincidence that all of the sudden there are a flood of them on our blogs, during the Cartoon Intifada.

I think they are appealing for a hudna.

We would be stupid to bite.

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:49:00 pm  
Blogger John Sobieski said...

Pastorius, would you email me, johnsobieski@Hotmail.com? Thanks John

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51:00 pm  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beware the pr (aka taqiyya) campaign!

Yes, I'm cynical. I thought my neighbor was a moderate--until he ranted about how much he hated Jews and how much he supported Saddam Hussein.

Can Muslims abandon psychotic hatred of the Jews? That hatred is so engrained in the Medinan verses and the ahadith.

A agree with John Sobieski: We know that over 50% of the verses in the Quran denigrate infidels or urge harm or murder by Muslims of them....Because the Quran is such a hate filled book, I view anyone who admires it or defends it with suspicion....Why should I trust anyone who believes in such crap?

Also, I agree with Pastorius that the timing of the appearance of these moderates make me uneasy. Where were those moderates before the cartoons?

In sum, I hope as Eyes does, but I'm very skeptical.

Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:07:00 pm  
Blogger eyesallaround said...

Ya, I think that says it best "hope".

Sometimes the radicals troll around our blogs and leave little turds of BS, but the best thing to do is just ignore them. Like spoiled children, they're looking for attention (unless of course you feel like venting on that particular day:>, sometimes it's fun).

Moderates can be called on where they've gone too far, you know, debate. Then the ones who've turned should be encouraged.

Each situation, unique response.

IMHO

Personally, I'm not into deleting comments. One friend played a joke on me once and kind of scared me, so I deleted that one, but that's the only time. I figure we're all grown ups.

Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:59:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I deleted a bunch of comments recently, because they were Muslim prostelizing, and they were way too freaking long.

Long comments discourage people from reading the rest of the comments.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:21:00 am  
Blogger eyesallaround said...

Ya? Not me. If it looks like BS, I skip to the next. You never know when one of us regulars might get converted! HA, HA, HA! lmao:>)

Whatever you're comfortable with:>)

Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:11:00 am  
Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

One other great thing about Daniel Pipes is that he responds to emails. I'm not kidding. Ask him for his take on this, I'm sure he'd weigh in or at least advise. He can be reached at Meqmef@aol.com (it's on his site, I'm not giving out anything confidential.....hahaha).

Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:35:00 am  
Blogger A. Eteraz said...

i'm really shocked to be reading your comments pastorius. i hope this isn't some strange attempt to 'bait' me. i wrote the below at dymphna's website. also, all of you are encouraged to see my website, eteraz.wordpress.com. one reason you may be finding more muslims on your site is b/c you actually have links to the cartoons, unlike most muslim websites which dont really promote them. im one of the muslim writers to have had links to the pictures. anyhow, i think you've been watching a little too much sleeper cell. you want to do something good? make your main blog page easier to load so i can actually see the infidel babe of the week without having to wait three hours for all the other pictures to load.

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wow, pastorius, are you serious?

my statement you quote could have been better written. or should have been backed up by reference. it may not be true at all, or it may be partially true. i didn't look up a reference. frankly i was thinking of the merchant of venice when i wrote that comment. also, if you go further down in my comments, you'll see that i wrote: "Not being an anti-semite, I obviously don’t believe that the European reprisal to such allegations was justified. No, it was inhuman."

i'm afraid that you are becoming threatened by the wrong person.

feel free to read the latest post on my blog for my views.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:43:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Eteraz,
I don't know who you are, so for me, your reputation does not precede you. However, Baron and Dymphna trust you, so perhaps I ought to know better and trust you too.

As you have responded to me, I will tell you what I find wrong with what you said there.

The way you constructed your argument was,

1)yeah, there are dangerous Muslims, but

2) there were Jews who charged too much interest,

think about that.

You are making it sound as if charging to much on a product is the equivalent of 4200 acts of deadly terror within the last four and a half years.

9/11, Beslan, 7/11, 3/11, the Malaysian girls who were beheaded, etc, etc. etc.

Those are so much worse than charging high interest rates that they should NEVER be mentioned in the same context.

You, I'm sure understand what I mean.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:48:00 am  
Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Pastorius, I never let him know he was found out but I think he realizes it.

AOW has an interesting tale which I’ve seen many times. Some so-called moderates have learned how to play the game but at some point the mask drops. I often define a moderate as “one who sees Israel, not as an enemy, but as an inspiration.” It’s my litmus test. It usually cuts through tons of verbiage and gets to the bottom line.

Thanks, Pim, that’s good to know. I have a great deal of respect for Pipes even though I disagree with him at times (and that’s on my blog.) But he’s been exposing the problem long before anyone else and he’s kept at it.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:02:00 am  
Blogger English kaffir. said...

i have one too, mine a woman.

http://bohemianara.blogspot.com/

been at it now for about two weeks,

Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:35:00 am  
Blogger A. Eteraz said...

hey pappas fritas,

you should look into south-asian history a little bit. apparently the idea of pakistan was conceived in the model of the jewish state of israel. pakistan founded in 1947; israel in 1948. of course, pakistan failed thanks to a few ignoramus mullahs in the early 50's.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:34:00 pm  

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