The above headline is a quote from a commenter at Brussels Journal.
Now, certainly, a commenter at Brussels Journal does not necessarily reflect any opinion held by BJ or any or its editors, or contributors.
So why, then, do I use it as a title? Because, this comment, from a guy who calls himself Anti-Europeanism, is a prime example of what I am criticizing when I criticize European Ethnic Nationalism.
Not only does this guy believe that immigration is the real issue which is plaguing Europe, but he believes Islam is a mere "nuisance."
In fact, he is in complete denial. Look at what he writes in his next sentence:
... muslim immigrants are not out to destroy us, immigration enthusiasts are.
This is willful ignorance taken to the extreme of the complete denial of one's true enemy.
Now, certainly, a commenter at Brussels Journal does not necessarily reflect any opinion held by BJ or any or its editors, or contributors.
So why, then, do I use it as a title? Because, this comment, from a guy who calls himself Anti-Europeanism, is a prime example of what I am criticizing when I criticize European Ethnic Nationalism.
Not only does this guy believe that immigration is the real issue which is plaguing Europe, but he believes Islam is a mere "nuisance."
In fact, he is in complete denial. Look at what he writes in his next sentence:
... muslim immigrants are not out to destroy us, immigration enthusiasts are.
This is willful ignorance taken to the extreme of the complete denial of one's true enemy.
If European immigration enthusiasts are anything like those in America, then there are a combination of forces at work; big business, naiive altruistic tendencies, a desire on the part of politicians for more voters in their pockets, etc.
But, few immigration enthusiasts are actually "out to destroy us." Or, if they are, they are keeping it a secret.
Muslims, on the other hand, make no secret of the fact that they do, indeed, want to destroy us. They call for the institution of Sharia law in the West. They call for Jihad against the West. They support Osama Bin Laden, and other terrorists. Etc. Etc. Etc.
The problem with Europe Ethnic Nationalism is that it seems to pop up whenever Europeans are under pressure. I will give three examples:
1) The Crusades: The reason for the Crusades was that Muslims had conquered Jersusalem. Pope Innocent called for Christian warriors to drive into Jerusalem and take the city back. They did so, but once they were there, they went about killing the inhabitants of the Holy City, whether they be Muslim or Jew, if they did not convert.
2) The Expulsion of the Moors (which culminated in 1492) - Europe had been under pressure from Islam since the 700's. However, when they got fed up, they really got fed up. The culmination of the Expulsion of the Moors occurred concurrently with two other major events; the Expulsion of the Jews, and the Spanish Inquisition. All three events reached their peak in 1492, and the result was not only a lot of Muslims vanquished, but also a lot of dead Jews and "Christian heretics."
3) Germany 1920's-1945 - the German people were left in ruins after WWII. The runaway inflation of the 1920's made things even worse. The Germans felt demoralized and deflated, as if their own birthright had been stolen from them. Hitler restored the confidence of German citizens using hatred as one of the main mechanisms. Jews, Gypsies, retarded people, and others were made to pay for the Germans own sense of weakness.
Similarly, what we find today is a Europe once again under massive pressure from Islam. But, are Europeans reacting to this pressure by recognizing their enemy and going after him, and him only? No, we are seeing two things occurring;
1) The Left are blaming the Israel lobby
2) The Right are blaming immigration
I have family in Europe and, to tell the truth, they blame both.
But, few immigration enthusiasts are actually "out to destroy us." Or, if they are, they are keeping it a secret.
Muslims, on the other hand, make no secret of the fact that they do, indeed, want to destroy us. They call for the institution of Sharia law in the West. They call for Jihad against the West. They support Osama Bin Laden, and other terrorists. Etc. Etc. Etc.
The problem with Europe Ethnic Nationalism is that it seems to pop up whenever Europeans are under pressure. I will give three examples:
1) The Crusades: The reason for the Crusades was that Muslims had conquered Jersusalem. Pope Innocent called for Christian warriors to drive into Jerusalem and take the city back. They did so, but once they were there, they went about killing the inhabitants of the Holy City, whether they be Muslim or Jew, if they did not convert.
2) The Expulsion of the Moors (which culminated in 1492) - Europe had been under pressure from Islam since the 700's. However, when they got fed up, they really got fed up. The culmination of the Expulsion of the Moors occurred concurrently with two other major events; the Expulsion of the Jews, and the Spanish Inquisition. All three events reached their peak in 1492, and the result was not only a lot of Muslims vanquished, but also a lot of dead Jews and "Christian heretics."
3) Germany 1920's-1945 - the German people were left in ruins after WWII. The runaway inflation of the 1920's made things even worse. The Germans felt demoralized and deflated, as if their own birthright had been stolen from them. Hitler restored the confidence of German citizens using hatred as one of the main mechanisms. Jews, Gypsies, retarded people, and others were made to pay for the Germans own sense of weakness.
Similarly, what we find today is a Europe once again under massive pressure from Islam. But, are Europeans reacting to this pressure by recognizing their enemy and going after him, and him only? No, we are seeing two things occurring;
1) The Left are blaming the Israel lobby
2) The Right are blaming immigration
I have family in Europe and, to tell the truth, they blame both.
No one with a powerful voice is consistently putting the fault exactly where it lies: Islam.
So, given the history of Europe, and the way events are taking shape now, what do you think is going to happen?
Will Europe recognize that it's problems emanate from the radical Muslims in their midst? Will they, then, take the steps necessary to remove those Muslims from their population? Or, will Europe use the bizarre shotgun approach which they have consistently used throughout their history? Will, somehow, Jews and immigrants be caught up in the violence as well?
So, given the history of Europe, and the way events are taking shape now, what do you think is going to happen?
Will Europe recognize that it's problems emanate from the radical Muslims in their midst? Will they, then, take the steps necessary to remove those Muslims from their population? Or, will Europe use the bizarre shotgun approach which they have consistently used throughout their history? Will, somehow, Jews and immigrants be caught up in the violence as well?
4 comments:
Fine insights...folks is sure in denial darlin', they dern sure is....
Euro-crats is weak kneed no matter what the threat.
Jes' one wee thang, though....the Inquisition ain't what most knee jerk histories claim. Modern studies have shown that some of those histories claim more folks died that actually lived in the nation! So, keep in mind that there were PC folks even then. The Spanish inquisition (there were many others) was probably the least abusive of all, and beleive it or not, subjects requested the Church rather than the government try their cases--the state (spain) wanted to rid the country of all/ any traitors to the state. Hence, the state was far more sweeping that the Church, whose focus was heresy (From within the Church)
Great blog--much here. Thanks
Thanks, Aunty Belle.
I certainly don't claim to know history well enough to know which European Inquisition or pogrom left the most dead. I just don't know the answer to that question. And, I certainly don't want to make more of the Spanish Inquisition then it is.
However, the Spanish Inquistion does loom large on the historical stage for whatever reason, and it is interesting to note that it corresponded with two other major occurences which left many dead as well.
As I said, when Euros are under pressure, they respond by killing more than just their worst enemies.
This may help you understand more?
First... I had only read the very first part of the BJ comment when I wrote this comment, but now I see that the guy is a supremacist. He regard the problem with immigration as a race issue. Not as the imminent cultural disorder, or even destruction (see below). So I believe he’s far right (but maybe far left and far right easily switch, with the same sentiment on e.g. capitalism and Jews). Of course I don’t agree with the guys anti-Jewish an racist comments, but think I understand some things you mention, which I’ll try to describe below.
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Pastorious: "…when I criticize European Ethnic Nationalism"
Ethnic Nationalism? I've discussed this long ago with SD and one year ago about VB. Both parties do not define nationalism ethnically, but culturally. We must be honest, and this accusation are easily evolve to “racist” slander without any grounds. The thing that Europe prefer national states has nothing to do with ethnicity racism. I don’t want to be Danish, or Finish and these neighbor countries of mine mostly have a cultural difference.
Regarding immigration, there is an enormous immigration into Europe, compared to the size of immigration into US. With respect to this difference and the fact that American politicians are much more concerned with immigration than their European colleagues, don't you think it makes your statement a bit hypocritical?
In Europe there’s also is a kind of hypocrisy among politicians, when they refuse to talk about problems caused by themselves (their non-actions)
You can’t criticize the “Anti-European” if you don’t understand he is afraid of more power to EU. Europe are very divided, both in culture and language, and the integration into a super state, which a “constitution” EU now shall decide on (without letting Europeans vote), is very much a topic among ordinary people. Some “non-nationalists” (most often liberals) are likely to promote Turkey EU membership as soon as possible. What do you think about that, if 1/3 of the EU population in the midst of this century are from a Muslim state? You have also to understand that the ethnical differences in Europe determine cultural and religious differences. (Note about the word ethnicity: This is a fact but I reject any ethnicity discrimination in law or any rules.) That an EU super power is seen as a threat is common sense. I’m too an “Anti-European” in that sense.
Of course he who commment on BJ seems influenced by the European left or fascists, when he claims there are too many Jews in the media. He then writes the sentence: "The real problem is that immigrants and their offspring are quickly replacing us."
I guess I understand what he mean. This guy *knows* the problems of immigration, but he will *not* know the problems with Islam until the Muslim population are closer to majority than today. For example the 5 percent Muslims in Sweden (1.5 percent in Australia and less in US?) hasn't changed the laws yet. They also often lives in 90-percent-immigrants-areas (see below), so they don't intrude the native population (this arguments is valid for the whole of Europe).
** I, myself, live close to an area with more than 90 percent immigrants and a high crime rate (theft, murder and rape). In my area there is about 35 percent immigrants; that's okay. There are several such 90 percent immigrants-areas in my city of almost half a million inhabitants.
** Malmoe, the Swedish third largest city has about 40-45 percent of the citizens have immigrant background. Within 5-10 years the city will pass 50 percent immigrants -- this in a whole municipal of almost 270000 citizens. Some areas in Malmoe has more about 95 percent immigrants. The city has an influx of 5000-6000 foreign immigrants a year and at least 10000 native Swedes leaving the city every year.
** Sweden will quite soon have 25 percent foreign born immigrants and 1 percent of Swedens population is every year added by immigration influx. Almost 0.5 percent leave Sweden every year, a lot of them and a rising numbers are native Swedes. Almost 5 percent (470000) are Muslims.
This is the worlds highest immigration, extreme but also typical for Europe.
A real problem this creates is that immigrants lives among other immigrants and never learn the Swedish or any other language well; never get a Swedish identity. There are huge problems in the schools and the crime rate is steadily increasing.
I recommends you to see this interview with the former French culture minister , Pierre Lellouche.
INSTRUCTION:
Here, on that page, click on link: "Global Axess - Den gröna fascismen" (and a new window is opened).
At 16:30 he say the problem is a “immense migration wave”. Between 17:00 and 18:00 they discuss that different religions and different Muslims have come to Europe before. Then this former minister answer on the question: "Why are you so pessimistic now?"
"I'm worried because we are dealing with numbers without any precedent, and one group only and that is essentially Muslim faith from North Africa and Black Africa".
Important fact here -- which is relevant in my comment because you believe immigrants works -- is that about 70-80 percent of Somali immigrants has not job in both Sweden and UK! Their crime rate among them is extremely high. This problem you see in all European countries. So you are basically wrong that all immigrants in Europe works and therefore are no problem for the society. (And if we, as US, chose well educated immigrants, does that makes us increasingly morally good -- less “nationalistic? ;-) )
The interview is quite interesting! (But I didn't agree on his notion that society shall assure mosques for Muslims; but I‘m sure that this is mainstream politics also in US today, just as in Canada, so how are America better?)
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More: When you write “Muslims, on the other hand, make no secret of the fact that they do, indeed, want to destroy us. They call for the institution of Sharia law in the West. They call for Jihad against the West. They support Osama Bin Laden, and other terrorists. Etc. Etc. Etc.”, I think you are extremely generalizing, and write something which in Europe would immediately be attacked and claimed as an extreme racist sentence!!!
I don’t think you are fair to criticize the Crusades as something not acceptable. That was also the anti-Jihad of those days (surely too anti-Semitic). Gates of Vienna was a part of the crusade stuff and your ancestors I guess was Europeans, so as an American you mustn’t backtalk Europeans too thoughtlessly. (We can with more moral legitimacy criticize that Indians was killed, don‘t you think?)
Hitlers success was quite much also a result of an economical crises, combined with the humiliation caused by the Versailles treaty, an unfair agreement, and also later a dysfunctional League of Nations. This is a lesson to learn from, also in countries as Iraq ( a war I support). You can’t just blame the European ethnical nationalism. The peace after war has been founded on both recognition and respect of the differences. Not an elimination of them! The goal of National Socialism was to unite Europe -- and ultimately a the world -- and there is other ideologies than European conservative nationalism that has similarities with National Socialism. Nazism was also an ideology of modernity, quite opposite of the ideology of (still quite small) conservative parties in Europe (here I don’t refer to neo-fascists or neo-Nazis).
I agree that Islam must be blamed, but politicians here are silent and I guess that the political project Eurabia stop them from action. Or at least somethig seems to make them afraid. The (leftist) media tends to blame any action targeting Muslims (radical or not) as Islamophobia and/or racism.
You say the only problem is Islam. I have described the cultural problems of mass immigration above, and think you‘re wrong. Someone believes (but I yet don’t) that we have to expel all Muslims. Isn’t that the right solution if Muslims are the only problem? I -- probably Fjordman too -- think it would be good to expel those who rejects our law in order to promote sharia (change our law). At the same time I think most Muslim immigration shall be stopped. Always except very obvious political refugees. (There is also other way to reduce immigration, e.g. other rules for immigration of relatives.) But also I think one must promote a secularized Islam, e.g. by control sharia- and hate literature, ban polygamy, ban women circumcision, and plenty of other things.
Thus: To “stop” Muslim influx a “stop” of immigration is also needed! There is no other way (I guess you can’t discriminate on religion due to international conventions). So there you have the connection reduced immigration and the fast increasing Muslim population.
And, again, don’t forget that US has less immigrants than Europe! You American natonalists! ;-)
Hi Magnus,
You and I are pretty much in agreement. I think you misunderstand many of the points I was making. However, I must say, you did so not out of a shallow understanding of the subject, but because you were thinking way past me.
First off, I do not think the Crusades were a bad thing. From what I understand of this history, I think it was good that the Pope launched the Crusades. However, it seems to me the Mission got distorted as the Crusaders went forward. The result was the murder of many people (Jews and other inhabitants of Israel) who had nothing to do with the original problem which the Crusades were launched to fix.
You are wrong to say that America does not have an immigration problem. We have a terrible immigration problem. There are areas near where I live (in Southern California) which are 90% ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
The difference is our immigrants are not Muslim. They are Mexicans and El Salvadorans. They are decent people, they are hardworking, and they assimilate over time. Still, there are simply too many of them, and that causes problems. Our politicians do not give a crap, and we the people are left with the ruins of failed policy and failed law.
So, I understand a bit about mass immigration.
However, as you note, our Muslim population is considerably less than that of the average country in Europe.
Islam is the biggest problem in Europe, in my opinion. The second biggest problem is the EU (and the immigration from the Eastern bloc which results from EU law). I'm sure many people would say the EU is the bigger problem, and they may be right in saying that.
Let me be clear. I have no problem with European cultural nationalism. Cultural nationalism is a good thing because it provides for a unifying set of ideas around which a people can rally and become compatriots. That strengthens the nation and provides for a happier more enthusiastic population.
That's a good thing.
Ethnic Nationalism is a problem, in my opinion, because it will inevitably lead to fascism in a population (like Europe's population) where the indigenous people do not breed at replacement rate while the immigrant population outstrips the population rate. When such conditions exist, it is an inevitability that the indigenous population will eventually become the minority. At that point, the only choice an Ethnic Nationalist would have would be to round up the immigrants and throw them out of the country.
Now, if you are talking about Muslim immigrants who are trying, seditiously, to make Sharia the law of the land, then I have no objections to rounding them up and sending them to Saudi Arabia where, presumably, they would be happy.
However, the idea of rounding up Poles or Indians or Chinese people does not make sense. My experience with Indians, Chinese and Poles is that, while they may all have different cultures, they are all basically good people and they do assimilate over time.
Is your experience different?
I will return to my original point: Muslim immigration is the biggest problem, because Muslims come with an ideology which is counter to the Western tradition and law code. Muslims do not want to live according to our laws. They want to live according to Sharia. They do not respect the traditions which have made the Western world as innovative as it is. Instead they want us to live by their traditions.
They want to move here because they can make more money, however, if they were given their way they would kill the goose that layed the golden egg.
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