Wednesday, January 09, 2008

Arun Gandhi: The Fruit Doesn't Fall Far From The Tree

Arun Gandhi, the son of Mahatma Gandhi, is an anti-Semite. This article from the Washington Post makes that abundantly clear:


Jewish identity in the past has been locked into the holocaust experience — a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends. The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. But, it seems to me the Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger.

The Jewish identity in the future appears bleak. Any nation that remains anchored to the past is unable to move ahead and, especially a nation that believes its survival can only be ensured by weapons and bombs.

(Pastorius comment: Excuse me, but every major nation in the world believes it needs to be able to protect itself, you fucking idiot.)

In Tel Aviv in 2004 I had the opportunity to speak to some Members of Parliament and Peace activists all of whom argued that the wall and the military build-up was necessary to protect the nation and the people. In other words, I asked, you believe that you can create a snake pit — with many deadly snakes in it — and expect to live in the pit secure and alive? What do you mean? they countered. Well, with your superior weapons and armaments and your attitude towards your neighbors would it not be right to say that you are creating a snake pit? How can anyone live peacefully in such an atmosphere? Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbors and build a relationship?

Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don’t befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence — Israel and the Jews are the biggest players — and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.

What a fucking idiot. Where does this idea come from the Jews are the biggest players in the "culture of violence." Truth is, Muslims are at war with Jews. Truth is, Muslims are at war all over the world.





Now, here's the truth about Arun Gandhi's father. Far from being a man of peace as everyone believes, he was a man who would see the world go up in flames:


Gandhi Is A Sacred Cow - We Must Butcher Him




If Europe would have taken Gandhi’s advice as below, we’d all be speaking German and be part of a perfect Aryan race. There would be no people living with disabilities or birth defects; the Roma (gypsies) would have disappeared into oblivion and there would be no homosexuality allowed. Communism and free speech would be considered crimes and there would have been no freedom of religion.

"I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions...

"If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman and child to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

"Hitler killed five million [sic] Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs."

Louis Fisher, Gandhi's biographer asked him: "You mean that the Jews should have committed collective suicide?"Gandhi responded, "Yes, that would have been heroism."

It’s very lucky that Gandhi himself used passive resistance against the civilised British, because if he’d have used the same technique with the Nazis, there would be no people of Indian descent left in this world.

It's time for the world to grow up and realize that Gandhi was not a man of great vision. He was not an incarnation of God.

I would not even call him a man of peace.The emotional devastation he was willing to lay on his wife gives the lie to his being a good man in private. For a person to deprive the one he supposedly loves of physical intimacy (and the emotional well-being that goes with it) because he believes he has some special relationship with the universe is an disgusting sin.

Gandhi was a snake oil salesman who won a P.R. battle against British imperialism. Thank God he did. He was the right schmuck at the right time. His people owe him thanks.However, his legacy is a burden on the whole human race. Unfortunately many naiive, but well-placed, people believe we can take Gandhian "principles" and apply them to all of reality.

Gandhi's notion of applying his asinine philosophy to the fight against Hitler is not only laughable, it's arrogant to the point of megalomania. It shows he was willing to let the whole human race go down with the ship, because of his own belief in his special relationship with his stupid pantheistic universe.

And to sum it up, let me pose this question:

Gahndi says,"the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife." So, how exactly does his philosophy differ, in practice, from that of Hitler?

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why the Jews?

An internet seminar discusses the origins of anti-semitism.

http://www.aish.com/seminars/whythejews/

Pastorius said...

That is excellent, HRW.

That presentation says that Hitler had a better understanding of who the Jewish people are than many Jews do themselves.

I have long thought the reason Hitler was so clear on who the Jews were, and why he hated them so much, can only be answered by a spiritual understanding of the world.

I don't think there is any other explanation for anti-Semitism other than a spiritual explanation.

Pastorius said...

I'm going to put that over at CUANAS.

Anonymous said...

Glad you liked it.

Another link worthy further exploration:


Blogburst blockbuster:

Professor who white-washed the Crescent of Embrace was Paul Murdoch's classmate at UCLA
http://errortheory.blogspot.com/
January 9th post.

Pastorius said...

Thank God that guy spends his life fighting against the Crescent of Embrace.

Jason Pappas said...

Really, Pastorius? That 1st links says:

“That is why the Christians’ hatred of the Jews was particularly intense. They, more than those of other religions, were threatened by the Jewish message. Jews said that Jesus was not God. This statement assumes a "wrongness" about Christianity. The Church Fathers understood that if the Jews are right, and they remain Jews, this implies that Christianity is bankrupt. Therein lies Judaism’s colossal threat to Christianity. Other groups’ denial of Jesus is a great disappointment to Christians, but the Jews’ denial is intolerable. Jesus came to the Jews! The very group that produced him, those people who had the most knowledge and authority on such matters, those who represented the last word on religion – were the first to reject Jesus.”

This says that the Jews message of truth –- that Jesus isn’t the Messiah –- is the source of anti-Semitism. Do you think this is so? If so, is this still true today?

Pastorius said...

I didn't read that. Did I skip it? Or are you inferring it?

The overriding point of that presentation, as I read it, was that there is no reason that the Jews are hated, other than there Jewishness, which is to say, the fact that they, as a people, worship God.

I think of it more as they are the people charged with carrying the Torah through history. I think that, specifically, is why the Jews are targeted. I don't think the people who target them are even able to articulate why they hate Jews.

Jason Pappas said...

It was the last or nearly the last slide. That's a quote from it.

I’m not sure I buy the explanation of the hatred of truth-bearers. Most religions and philosophies preach that they have the truth but that doesn’t bring them then enmity that the Jews have faced. Of course, the Jews have had to face the other cultures without a homeland of their own and as a minority within other absolutist cultures.

The link still has many valid points about superficial reasons: economic, etc.

Pastorius said...

Well, like I said, I don't think it's about truth. I think it's about something spiritual. If Jews, or Christians, or whoever, want to believe they are truth bearers, that's fine. Their history bears out that they are not. All groups of people are flawed. Some individuals do bear more truth than others.

Pastorius said...

And, of course, the fact that I say that means I think I can judge who bears truth, which means I think I know the truth, which is probably not that true.

:)

Always On Watch said...

(Pastorius comment: Excuse me, but every major nation in the world believes it needs to be able to protect itself, you fucking idiot.)

Well said. Eloquent, in fact.

I'm not being facetious.

Pastorius said...

Thanks, AOW. I think I would have to say I like Gandhi's son almost as little as I like Gandhi.

Anonymous said...

Jason_Pappas - When I first viewed the "Why the Jews" seminar, I thought it was going to be an attempt to put the Matthias Kuntzel thesis (modern anti-semitism was reborn of Nazism)forward.

Fortunately, that is not the direction it took. Rather, it clearly stated that antisemitism did not exist until sometime around the first crusade.


The crusade was a direct response to hundreds of years of jihad persecution of the (Judeo) Christian middle east.


Years ago, I also read that the delay in effectively fighting the jihad was due partially to the divide/conquer efforts of jihad triangulation (via faith freedom ??).

It seems to make sense that the muhammedan view of the Jewish people had something to do with the fact that Christian anti-semitism became apparent around the same time as the first crusade.

No?

Jason Pappas said...

The crusade was a direct response to hundreds of years of jihad persecution of the (Judeo) Christian middle east. -a

Yes, that's true. Of course the Orthodox Christians were fighting the Jihadists since Islam's creation when they asked the Latin Christians for help. People forget about that.

By the way, Pastorius, I forgot to praise you comments on Ghandi. Excellent points!

Pastorius said...

Thank you, Jason. That means a lot to me coming from you.

Anonymous said...

Look ppl first of all. Take this in perspective.

1) for all the people who call him an anti-semite.. think what ur saying.

India is the biggest ally Israel has outside of the United States in the Eastern World.

Israel's biggest arms market is India.

the only thing standing between turkey and pakistan is one billion indians.

the highest and most visited tourist destination of young Israeli nationals today is not Europe or the states, it is INDIA.

ISRAEL-INDIA are natural allies due to the nature of judaism and hinduism.

the israeli govt is taking its citizens for a ride.

its ridiculous that the young israleis who serve their mandatory army term, have to go all the way to northern indian to cool of and enjoy.

they cant do it in their own country and are not rich enough to go to the west.,

INDIA has always loved judaism and jewish people.

IT is the only place in the world for the last 2500 years continously been a place of refuge of JEWS. AND NEVER HAVE THEY BEEN DISCRIMINATED

even today.. the desecendants of the lost tribe of israel..

LIVES IN INDIA as indians.

indians love jews.

to criticize a man.. like arun gandhi.. for being anti-semtic is outrageous.

every indian growing up..loves israel then some israelis themselves.

REMEMMBER THAT MY JEWISH FRIENDS

SHALOM

Pastorius said...

Indians seem like good people to me, but that doesn't mean I have to like Gandhi. You go ahead and like him if you want to.

And, by the way, I'm not Jewish.

Anonymous said...

well.. regardless of what you are.

indians love jews and israel.

this is an undeniable fact.. any village any city across the one billion ppl of india.. u ask any one.. say israel, moses, jewish..

they smile.. they are happy.


THE MOST PRO ISRAEL youth in the world today are in india.

this is a fact.

I AM one of them.

i love israel.

JAI HIND

Pastorius said...

I'm glad to hear it.

Anonymous said...

Hey you anonymous dog ! What makes you think that Gandhi is Indian and criticism of Gandhi is criticsim of Indians ? Typical attitude of Gandhians. India=Gandhi & Gandhi=Indian.