Saturday, April 12, 2008

Attention Christine Brim: Good News! The BNP Says They Like Jews

Quick, get the Center for Vigilant Freedom on the phone, I believe the BNP is ready to negotiate.

From the Guardian:


The far right British National party is trying to shed its antisemitic past as part of a drive to pick up votes among London's Jewish community. The party, which could get its first seat on the London assembly if voter turnout is low next month, is campaigning in Jewish areas across the capital and attempting to play on what it sees as historical enmity between the Jewish and Muslim communities.

In one leaflet, handed out in north London last weekend, the party's only Jewish councillor, Pat Richardson, is quoted along with a picture of young Muslims holding a placard reading: "Butcher those who mock Islam."

"I'm in the BNP because no one else speaks out against the Islamification of our country," said Richardson. "Being Jewish only adds to my concern about this aggressive creed that also threatens our secular values and Christian tradition."

The move has sparked a furious reaction among Jewish organisations who say the BNP is still antisemitic and racist.

The Board of Deputies, the London Jewish Forum and the Community Security Trust have launched a campaign with other ethnic minority and cultural groups and the Hope Not Hate campaign to combat the BNP threat.

Ruth Smeed, of the Board of Deputies, said: "The BNP website is now one of the most Zionist on the web - it goes further than any of the mainstream parties in its support of Israel and at the same time demonises Islam and the Muslim world. They are actively campaigning in Jewish communities, particularly in London, making a lot of their one Jewish councillor, their support of Israel and attacking Muslims. It is a poisonous campaign but it shows a growing electoral sophistication."

The editor of BNP newspaper Freedom, Martin Wingfield, wrote on his blog recently: "There has been a growing dialogue between senior members of the Jewish community and the BNP and today there are an increasing number of Jews campaigning for the BNP and feeling very comfortable with their political choice."

Henry Grunwald, president of the Board of Deputies, said the anti-BNP campaign which is being run in conjunction with Operation Black Vote and Sikh and Hindu organisations aimed to underline the antisemitic nature of the BNP and ensure that all voters turned out on May 1 to see off the threat posed by the far right.

"Whatever other sources of anti-semitism there are, we are still very concerned by the threat that comes from the far right," said Grunwald. "Despite all its attempts to portray itself differently we know it is still the same antisemitic, racist party it always was." He added: "We, in the Jewish community, will not tolerate any form of racism or prejudice ... I would be thoroughly ashamed if any member of the Jewish community voted for them."

The BNP's drive to abandon its anti-semitism and cash in on what it perceives to be the growth in Islamophobia was outlined in an essay by party leader Nick Griffin, who once said of the Holocaust: "I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria."

In his essay last year he wrote: "It stands to reason that adopting an 'Islamophobic' position that appeals to large numbers of ordinary people - including un-nudged journalists - is going to produce on average much better media coverage than siding with Iran and banging on about 'Jewish power', which is guaranteed to raise hackles of virtually every single journalist in the western world."

Nick Lowles, from the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight, which is mobilising voters across the country through its Hope Not Hate campaign, said the tactic of appealing to different ethnic and cultural groups ticked several boxes for the BNP. "It allows them to portray themselves as being non-racist at the same time as legitimising their vicious and sustained attacks on the UK's Muslim communities."


Sounds good to me, where do I sign? You say you want me to sign in blood? Ok, no problem. I'll get my friend Christine Brim to open my vein for me.

After all, Christine has just been waiting for this to happen.

But, as my peeps over at Eye On The World say:


The British National party (BNP) which bases its ideology on that of Hitler, Nazi Germany and its views of nationalism has apparently shed its anti-Semitic black shirt and offered a hand of friendship to the Jews.

Yes, in this latest make over, the Nazi party groupies have let bygones be bygones and offered the hand of friendship to the British Jew. I mean what’s 6 million dead between friends?

So if you’re Jewish, live around Golders Green of London and can’t make your mind up on who to vote for on the oncoming London elections, give your vote to the BNP.

All I have to say on the matter is, do you think the British public are that f-ing stupid.

27 comments:

VinceP1974 said...

It's good to see a party like that recognize its past errors and move toward a morally correct orientation.

Thanks for the info.

Pastorius said...

Anytime a party with a history, and an infrastructure, built on racism decides to announce they like Jews after all, I'll be here for you, Vince P.

VinceP1974 said...

I'm having trouble dicerning the connotation of your statement.

Pastorius said...

Sorry about that.

If I am not mistaken, you and I don't agree on this subject.

We may agree on the problem of Islam, but, I believe you and I disagree on this issue.

I don't buy the idea that the BNP is actually reforming itself. I do believe that there are people within the BNP who would like it to reform, but I believe they would be better served to start a new party.

Anonymous said...

My, my. How quickly things change. So the CVF didn't turn out the way you wanted and you're now petulantly running it down, even to the extent of quoting propaganda from the Guardian, the UK's uber dhimmi apologist for the Cult of the Dead Pedophile. Whether you like it or not, race is inseparable from culture on the Continent and it will be mostly and effectively Whites defending Europe because only they have the collective political power to do so. It's all very well to wish for some sort of multi-racial rainbow coalition, but to be so ideologically rigid as to not adapt to reality on the ground is sheer naivete. If you were living in the Middle Ages, I bet you would have insisted on the Crusades and the Spanish Reconquista being absolutely spotless and unblemished affairs.

VinceP1974 said...

I would think you would welcome these changes. Unless you have some evidence that it's all a lie, I would think the moral stance would be to support the people who are struggling to change things.

What message does it send when folks like you throw them under the bus for doing the right thing?

At a time when the persons who are Anti-Jihadist need to join forces and get some economies of scale, you advocate fracture and division and marginalization.

It doesn't make any sense. I get the feeling you're more interested in the abstract fight as opposed to the real , concrete one.

Michael Travis said...

"I do believe that there are people within the BNP who would like it to reform, but I believe they would be better served to start a new party."

RIGHT.

I admit to paying much attention to the British Racialism problem....at least since the Clash and Steel Pulse did the massive anti-Nazi league gig in Victoria Park. (Fabulous!) I was more concerned with the girls on Tel Aviv's beaches than spotty yobbos in donkey-coats. For the next few decades the only people to disturb my peace were Moslems...and they come in all colours and speak a plethora of languages. [remember..."langue d'oïl" was the language of Britain after William's conquest in 1066]

The problem is ISLAM...not a "race" or "nationality".....it's the Muzzies who are out to kill us.

Michael Travis said...

SHIT! It should read;

"I admit to NOT paying much attention to the British Racialism problem."

Sorry

Always On Watch said...

One key phrase, as far as I'm concerned: part of a drive to pick up votes

I realize that the BNP is the only UK party which recognizes the threat of Islamic colonization there. But how can one trust this "reform" if it's motivated by garnering political power?

In general, I have little use for politicians, who are willing to say whatever it takes to gain power.

Ray Boyd said...

Whilst I am only observing the BNP not supporting them, we must remember that Tony Blair transformed Labour into New Labour in order to make it acceptable to the voters. Also Cameron is trying to transform the Tory party for the same reason. IF the BNP are trying to do the same can we blame them? All politicians will jump on bandwagons, if that's the correct way to describe it.

If some Jews are happy to support the BNP who are we to say they are wrong? They will no doubt have done sufficient research to convince them that the BNP is no longer an anti semetic party.

Pastorius says: "I believe they would be better served to start a new party."

I say the Union is finished, and there are English national parties but with virtually no support. It takes too long to make any headway and there isn't time. The BNP are THE only half credible party that is addressing the issue of Islamism. People who are living with the problems in the cities cannot be blamed if they believe that they are not being represented by the other politicians.

Epaminondas said...

I remain to be convinced of anything.

"I'm in the BNP because no one else speaks out against the Islamification of our country,"

That is a reason of utter desperation and not an endorsement of racial equality. Nor is campagining amongst jews to get votes a mark of anything more than Hilldog lying to get votes either

The BNP to be a party which is NOT racist will have to have a William Buckley moment to even reach the threshold of the hallway to being a 'real' party.

Until then, this guy, PaT Richardson is Ernst Hanfstaengel

Nothing says jews can't be racists either, y'know?

Pastorius said...

Vince,
You go ahead and believe them. I don't.

It would be great if I were wrong.

Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
I understand that most Brits are white.

Thanks for reminding me.

Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
I forgot to address the other part of your comment. No, I wouldn't insist that an army in the Middle Ages be a rainbow coalition. Hundreds of years ago, the population of Britain was even more white than it is now.

As they say, you fight with the army you have.

However, I'm with Michael, the main problem you have is with Islam, not race. Immigration is a problem. However, you don't want to make war against the Poles, right?

We must be able to make distinctions. And, the disction here is between two problems;

1) Islam
2) massive immigration.

Massive Immigration feeds the Islam problem, but that doesn't mean the Islam problem is the same thing as the immigration problem.

Epaminondas said...

Death Knell for Europe expressed as attitude....
race is inseparable from culture on the Continent

EIN VOLK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Washington was right.
Man, does this piss me off.

The ultimate refuge of cultural defense...
RACE

VinceP1974 said...

Pastorius>
Vince,
You go ahead and believe them. I don't.


I just realized that my non-disparaging/defense of BNP is about as abstract as your view that BNP is as harmful to Britian as the Muslims.

When I considered what exactly it meant for me to believe them, I realized, they mean nothing to me, so no belief in them from my part is required.. it is rather abstract.

I dont believe them or not believe them.

What I did do though was consider the source... the Guardian. which leads me to..

Always On Watch>
One key phrase, as far as I'm concerned: part of a drive to pick up votes


You left out from your quote just who the voters are that the NBP is trying to woo... and that's Jewish voters in London.

I have no doubt that the Guardian probably views this prospect (that Jews would vote for BNP) with horror... just as the NYT would view with horror secualr Jews starting to migrate toward the GOP.


If London Jews become a critical vote for BNP candidates (or however the system works in UK), then that changes the BNP doesn't it? I mean they can't very well be this horrible Anti-Jewish force that they seem to have a reputation for being, can they?

What does that say about the Jewish voters.. that they're retarded?

I do note that Jews, gays and other traditionally non-right-voting groups in Belgium have been leaning toward VB there because of the Islam issue.. even some "secular Muslims" are voting VB becaue they fear Islamization.

And then there's drama queenosity like this

EIN VOLK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please,get a hold of yourself man! :)

Pastorius said...

Vince P.,
The thing is, as I said,

you believe them,

I don't.

It's a matter of belief.

Events will play themselves out and we shall see who is right.

The more important thing is that we defeat Islam.

When I hear BNP people make comments about culture being inseparable from race in Europe (as has happened numerous times here on IBA), then I know for a fact that many BNP members are still racists.

Now, if the leadership can actually effect change, then that is a good thing.

However, I seriously doubt Nick Griffin has migrated from his past views on the Holocaust to a place where he actually looks on Jews with favor.

Do you believe that?

VinceP1974 said...

you believe them

I wouldn't say that. that would mean I'm a fortune teller. I would say I'm not closed to the idea that people can improve the party.

Time will tell like you said.

When I hear BNP people make comments about culture being inseparable from race in Europe (as has happened numerous times here on IBA), then I know for a fact that many BNP members are still racists.

I'm not hung up by this langauge. After Keith Olberman called a Navy SEAL Vet a racist because the Vet said his kid's hero will be McCain and not a sports player like Tiger Woods, the word is official jump the shark'ed.

However, I seriously doubt Nick Griffin has migrated from his past views on the Holocaust to a place where he actually looks on Jews with favor.

Do you believe that?


I honestly dont care. On my list of "things to care about" it's probably at 424,297,193.

Pastorius said...

Vince,
Olberman is an idiot, isn't he?

And, he's probably a racist himself, and that's probably why he doth protest the way he does.

As to you not caring if Griffin means what he says, you might care if you were a patriotic Brit who happened to be black or of Indian descent.

Epaminondas said...

Vince, anonymous' defense of race/culture somewhere above is LITERALLY Ein Volk..so sorry, that is not yet clear to all. That you regard the absolute reality as drama queenosity is frankly a factual error.

Jews voting for the BNP does NOT change the BNP, btw.

Jews IN the BNP, and creating BNP policy changes the BNP. I think this will be a very exceptional thing. Don't hold your breath except for exceptions.

A Brit William Buckley as noted, executing precisely what HE did among conservatives in the USA, in the BNP changes the BNP.

The only difference I see in the BNP of 10 years ago and the BNP of today is more infighting there and more muslims in Britain.

VinceP1974 said...

As to you not caring if Griffin means what he says, you might care if you were a patriotic Brit who happened to be black or of Indian descent

And I would respect that. But I dont understand what that has to do with the holocaust thing you mentioned. you must be talking about some other vile thing the man said.

Anyway, I'm not defending him. I was responding to the article you posted.

Pastorius said...

Vince,
We keep talking past each other.

Sorry about that.

Here's where I'm coming from. Nick Griffin is a Holocaust-denier. All Holocaust-deniers I have ever encountered are racists. Therefore, I assume Nick Griffin is a racist as well as an anti-Semite.

Therefore, I would assume that patriotic Brits who happen to be of Indian or African descent would not take to kindly to Nick Griffin.

Ray Boyd said...

As I said, British is out English is in. As for pastorius, the English National Party should fit the bill. I would certainly support this one but there is also the English Democratic Party and I am observing both of these as well as the BNP

"The ENP is not a racist party and does not view Englishness as being a matter of race or skin colour but rather as a matter of culture, loyalty and community."

English National Party

Epaminondas said...

'Liberal western values' is an IDEA which has no race, but remains ALL culture, and reading the ENP, it looks pretty good.

Now all that needs doing is to crush the Tories and Labor.

Ray Boyd said...

The English Democrats seem to be in a better position. They have more members and have won local elections. They also have a successful activist member who was excellent at obtaining MSM attention in another campaign. See my blog today for all about the English Democrats.

CommonSense

Anonymous said...

From WWW.BNP.ORG.UK

"The Board of Deputies of British Jews - working with the London Jewish Forum and Community Security Trust - has launched a misguided campaign, with the slogan, “Your Voice or Theirs”. Board of Deputies president Henry Grunwald told the Jerusalem Post: “The higher the turnout across the country, the harder it [will be] for the BNP to succeed.” Every vote for a mainstream political party is… a vote against extremism,” Grunwald added.

Is Grunwald right? Should the Jewish community vote as a bloc to deny the BNP representation? Are they a monolithic community or one which contains different opinions within it? Pat Richardson is a councillor and a member of the British National Party (BNP). She told the Guardian recently: “I’m in the BNP because no one else speaks out against the Islamification of our country,” Support for Israel

We support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself against the relentless terrorist attacks of Islamic fanatics. This seems to be what led Ruth Smeed, of the Board of Deputies, to tell the press that: “The BNP website is now one of the most Zionist on the web - it goes further than any of the mainstream parties in its support of Israel.”

Natural allies

The BNP has made its position clear many times. We are not ‘Zionists’, our overall concern is to look after the interests of our own country, and not to bother ourselves with or interfere in the affairs of other nations. But we have repeatedly denounced the neo-Nazi cranks who infest the fringes of British politics, and we reject anti-Semitism as part of a dangerous and outdated cycle of last-century hostility between Jews and Gentiles - a hostility that can only benefit our mutual enemy, Islamic imperialism.

Loyal British Jews are our natural allies in the fight against the Islamic fundamentalists who want to destroy the Western civilisation so many of whose core values we hold in common. That is just one reason why many Jews will be voting for the BNP. Let’s remember also, however, that this is only one reason. Jews will be voting British National Party for other reasons too: because they are concerned about crime, because they are worried about the economic decline of our country, because they are concerned about the disintegration of community spirit and decent values. In other words for the same reasons as so many other British voters, including many Sikhs and Christian West Indians. As Martin Wingfield commented in our paper Freedom recently:- “today there are an increasing number of Jews campaigning for the BNP and feeling very comfortable with their political choice.”

When the Chief Rabbi a few years ago wrote a book entitled “Will Our Grandchildren Be Jewish?” he articulated precisely the same concern that we have for the future of our people in the same overcrowded multi-cult nightmare that threatens traditional Jewish and British identities alike. Just because a Jew wants to preserve and celebrate his ancestral culture and identity doesn’t make him a ‘hater’ of Gentiles, and nor does our wanting to preserve and celebrate our ancestral culture and identity make us ‘haters’ of Jews, or any other ethnic group for that matter.

Anyone but the BNP?


Jews are also rejecting the call to vote against the BNP for other reasons. They are being asked to vote for Establishment parties. Few believe they have any solutions. Many know that the tide is slowly turning against them. ”It is important that olim [immigrants to Israel] vote, because any vote is one to keep the BNP out. It doesn’t matter who you vote for, so long as it isn’t for the BNP, and that will help keep the BNP out of the London assembly,” said Jenni Woolf, National campaigns fieldworker for the Union of Jewish Students (UJS).

It doesn’t matter who you vote for? Really? Jews are asked by some of their self-appointed ‘leaders’ to identify themselves with a political class that is increasingly despised and distrusted purely to deny the British National Party - and our growing number of voters - representation. This seems cynical, immoral and unwise to many.

A Jewish Green or Socialist? Bad Luck!

In addition to advocating a pro-Establishment vote the Board of Deputies campaign is bad news for Jewish Greens, Jewish Socialists and Jewish Independents. The campaign is based on boosting voter turnout to lower the percentage the BNP is likely to achieve. Presuming this worked (and we don’t think it will) it would also have the effect of denying Greens, Socialists and Independents representation. Does anyone really want a London where political diversity is shut out? Would the election of two or three BNP members to the GLA, a Green and a Socialist be such a bad thing? Wouldn’t a BNP voice act as a check or balance on some of the crazier ideas?

The ‘Red Ken’ problem

In London there is a particular problem - ‘Red Ken’. One Jewish BNP supporter puts it like this:-

Q. Who Compared a Jewish journalist to a Nazi guard?

* Portrayed young British Jews as potential soldiers in the Israeli army, thus raising the accusation of “dual loyalty” (it is well-known that only Israeli citizens can serve in their country’s army)?

* Edited a newspaper which ran a cartoon showing then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin dressed in an SS Uniform and captioned with the words “The Final Solution” in Nazi-style Gothic script?

* Embraced Sheikh Yusuf al Qaradawi, a leading ideologue of Islamist terror and an avowed anti-Semite?

A. Not the BNP but Ken Livingstone.

Many in the Jewish community are aware that anti-Semitism is widespread on the Labour ‘left’. Often it is cloaked by a terminology which is anti-American or anti-Zionist but the motive is clear. Why then do the Board of Deputies and CST single out the British National Party for attack on the basis of arguments and positions we left behind in the last century, while saying nothing about the current radical Islamist agenda of ‘Red’ Ken’s core Muslim constituency? Are they as out-of-touch with their community and its interests as our own political ‘leadership’?

We wouldn’t be surprised, which is why we urge all concerned to ignore the self-serving and backward-looking bias of those (neo-Nazi cranks and professional Zionists alike) who would foster suspicions between the British National Party and the grass-roots Jewish community in order to maintain their own power-bases, rather than facing up to the realities of the Era of Global Jihad: We hang together, or we hang separately."

Anonymous said...

this country as the moment as always has been is fundamentally anti semetic anyway, so any party is there fore anti. its just the bnp voices it out loud. what infurites me is what have the jewish race ever done to deserve this. we do not have views that anyone who does not share our belief should be murdered, and contribute greatly to the country. where as some 'other' faiths will gladly rejoice at news of british troops dying in iraq or iran, while these same people will gladly live in this country, and reap all the benefits.