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Monday, November 10, 2008

What Part Does Racism Play In The Counterjihad Movement?

In a very long article, Courage and the Long War Against Islamic Supremacism and Jihad, Part One, (and Part Two), Jeffrey Imm makes a lot of solid points. Including this one:
Groups with racist histories that otherwise claim to oppose "Islamization" are not allies. Those who truly reject Islamic supremacism also reject other groups with a history of supporting other identity-based supremacism, because supremacism is inimical to all human rights. As human rights activists for equality and liberty, those against Islamic supremacism should carefully watch for those groups infiltrating our cause who would espouse supremacism of their own. Those who support white supremacism or other identity-based supremacism are no allies of human rights groups fighting for equality and liberty.

As fighters for human rights, we categorically and completely denounce those fringe white supremacists who will surely attempt to try to infiltrate and possibly even hijack our message in some areas. The fringe white supremacists stand on the same side of inequality and anti-liberty values as the Islamic supremacists. That is why we have also seen white and Aryan supremacists in the past actually support Islamic supremacists groups and terrorists. Do not be fooled. They share the objectives of hatred, violence, and inequality with the Islamic supremacists.

The message of those who support the inalienable human rights of equality and liberty is a message of love, equality, and respect for humanity. We fight not out of enmity or for the purpose to repress and control others, but we fight due to our undying devotion to the principle that "all men are created equal," and for the dignity of humankind.

There is no "grey" area here. It is an uncompromising position. The fact remains that our uncompromising position must compare Islamic supremacists to other supremacists as part of our campaign to undermine that ideology. We implore any who seek to fight Islamic supremacism to first and foremost look into their own hearts and minds first, and renounce any supremacist beliefs that they may have once held. There is no room in an anti-supremacist movement for those who embrace supremacist ideologies.
Supremacism of any kind is wrong. That's one of the biggest counts against the Islamic doctrine — it directly opposes freedom and equality.

We need to remember that and respect it so we don't make the mistake of allying with racist supremacists in our cause. We're not just fighting AGAINST Islamic supremacism. We're also fighting FOR liberty and equality. Racism has no place in our fight.

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Blogger Pastorius said...

Great post from Jeffrey Imm.

I will put that in our sidebar. You know that email thread you and I exchanged earlier today. This post goes to the heart of it. You don't know the half of it, my man.

Monday, November 10, 2008 5:11:00 am  
Blogger Reliapundit said...

the usa and democray is superior to russia and tyranny.

medicine is superior to phrenology.

liberty is superior to servitude.

and so on.

iow: don't fall under the sway of multiculti / cultural relativism crap.

potential allies against islamiciation shouod not be purged.

*******they should be educated - and they will be if we don't purge them.

VB members who are anti-Semitic can have their eyes opened by fighting islamicization alongside Jews and Zionists.

remember: fdr allied himself woth stalin to defeat hitler.

kasparov marched with commies against putin.

lieberman - who favors abortion and high taxes/redistribution and carbon taxes - got a standing ovation at the RNC.



Monday, November 10, 2008 5:31:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...


Of course, the USA and democracy are superior to Russia and tyranny, medicine is superior to phrenology.
and liberty is superior to servitude.
But no one race is superior to another race of people, and there is no need to for us ally ourselves with racists like Nazis. Allying ourselves with racists will only help Islam's politically correct apologists demonize the anti Jihad movement. The already accuse people critical of Islam of racism, why help them demonize us? Yes perhaps we had to ally ourselves with Stalin during World War2. It was certianly better to have the soviets as our allies during World War 2, than have them ally with the Nazis and Imperial Japan, but were they our friends? The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friends. Beyond that, we have more reason now to think that allying ourselves with racists would simply do far more harm than good. We don't want any racist party gaining power anywhere in the world.

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:15:00 am  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

I agree with Damien: Allying with racists will only hurt our cause.

Yes, there may be racists who also want to defeat the third jihad, but there are far MORE non-racists who have not entered this fight yet and would NEVER enter this fight if it has anything to do with racism.

At least half of the free world seems to be multiculturalist and liberal. They will never join the fight against Islamic supremacism if they smell even a hint of racism.

So just from a practical standpoint, it would be stupid to welcome racists into our midst.

Oh yeah, besides that, racism is unfair.

Liberty and equality are the principles we are fighting for.

What's wrong with Shari'a? It takes away human rights (liberty), it is a form of institutionalized slavery of women (equality), it has one standard for Muslims and another standard for non-Muslims (equality), it prevents a freedom of religion (liberty) and freedom of the press (liberty), and so on.

What's wrong with racism? It has one standard for one kind of people and another standard for another kind of people (equality). If you're fighting for liberty and equality, racism doesn't fit.

Besides, even for a racist, it doesn't make any sense for racism to play a part in the counterjihad. There are people of every race who are Muslim. Race isn't relevant in this fight.

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:43:00 am  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

ReliePundit, I would submit to you that if we had a choice in WWII of either allying ourselves with the Soviet Union or allying ourselves with Lesuthu (a tiny country in South Africa), we would be better off going with the Soviet Union.

I would also propose that there are far more people who are against racism than are for racism. Just from a practical standpoint, it would be better to ally with the far larger group.

Plenty of people on the left (for lack of a better identifier) are against racism, and inequality, and they are adamantly pro-women's rights, pro-freedom of speech, and pro-freedom of religion. With a little education, they could see that Islamic teachings are the enemy of all they hold dear. When that light goes on, we have just gained an ally. And there are a huge number of these potential allies.

Allying with racists will lose them. Worse, it will make those potential allies into enemies of this movement. It has already in many parts of Europe.

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:52:00 am  
Blogger Mother Effingby said...

Try to remember, though, that some cultures are superior to other cultures. What gets confusing is when you have superior judeo/christian cultures, vs supremecist cultures, the judeo christian wins, hands down. The problem in Europe, is that their former christian cultures, which tended to instill a morality in the public that was passed from generation to generation, has been tossed for nihilistic culture. Its almost like self-loathing nihilism vs. supremecist deterministic fatalism. Both are death to any culture.

Monday, November 10, 2008 11:35:00 am  
Blogger die Realität said...

True. But why do those "Expersts" allways exclude the ideologies of the extreme left? Socialism and Communism are and where allways "left" (excl. the national socialists = nazis - why they are labeled extreme "right"? only because they faught commis?) and sympathise too (sometimes) whit us and the (often whit) islamofascists.

Monday, November 10, 2008 1:58:00 pm  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

The other day, a non-blogging friend of mine sent me an interesting video about the North American Union and the Amero. The video featured one Hal Turner. Then I checked him out, via Wiki and a few other sources. No way will I make this fellow an ally, even if some of what he said made sense to me.

Buddying up with white supremacists will sink the counter jihad as a credible movement. In fact, conservatism of a few decades back had that happen. We cannot afford a repeat of same!

Monday, November 10, 2008 2:02:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Under the influence of Evola (*)- there is within the political right a wing that endorses and sympathizes with the Isam and consequently not only has declared war against the West but actually contributes to the Islamization of Europe and America! In this context I can recommend the article "L'Islam vu par Julius Evola" by Claudio Mutti. - http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evolaislamfr.html

(*) "The Idea, only the Idea must be our true homeland. It is not being born in the same country, speaking the same language or belonging to the same racial stock that matters; rather, sharing the same Idea must be the factor that unites us and differentiates us from everybody else." (Julius Evola, "Gli uomini e le rovine", Rome: Edizioni Settimo Sigillo, 1990, p. 41)

"The Islamic law (shariah) is a divine law; its foundation, the Koran, is thought of as God's very own word (kalam Allah) as well as a nonhuman work and an "uncreated book" that exists in heaven ab eterno." [Julius Evola, "Revolt Agains The Modern World", pages 243 - 244]

These apologists for Islam carry in their demonstrations the flags of Iraq, Palestine, Algeria, and Morocco, shout Allah Akbar, and affirm their solidarity with Islam — all without the slightest affirmation of their own people and culture. See for example http://www.aryan-nations.org/ : LONG LIVE JIHAD! ALLAHU AKBAR! --August B. Kreis III]

This simple-minded Manichaeanism influences also left-wing immigrationists bent on subverting Europe’s bioculture and display the greatest indifference to the fact that they are rapidly becoming an Islamic-Arabic colony: Eurabia! Marxists, willingly collaborating with Muslims, cry "Islamophobia!" whenever somebody points out the violence inherent in Islamic doctrines.

These islamophiles refuse to see what’s happening in Europe, whose soft, dispirited white population is increasingly cowed by Islam’s conquering life-force.

Monday, November 10, 2008 3:17:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Racism is the lowest form of stupidity! Islamophobia is the height of common sense!

Some of the most outspoken against Islam are ex-Muslims. Naturally these persons are of different races.

Anti-Islamists are as diverse as Muslims and we have to recognise the wide ranges of opinion on non-Islamic matters.

It doesn't help to focus on our differences. Nor does it help to hijack or undermine a group's efforts.

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:07:00 pm  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

Jewel, just like in Islam, we have full believers in our culture from every race.

I agree with you that a culture that reveres liberty and equality is superior to a culture that does not. And that issue has nothing to do with race.

Monday, November 10, 2008 8:35:00 pm  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

Anonymous, what is your point? What are you saying exactly (and succinctly)?

Monday, November 10, 2008 9:12:00 pm  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

I just wrote an article for people who are out there talking to their fellow non-Muslims about Islamic teachings. Most of us who have done this have run into a resistance to the information because it smacks of racism to some people.

The point I made in the article (see article here) is that this is a point of agreement, and we should make it very clear that not only are we not racist but that thinking we are racist by talking about Islam is actually racist.

And not only that, being clear that Islam is a doctrine and not a race, and pointing out that race has nothing to do with Islam since there are Muslims of every race, and making this information known now will help PREVENT racism. So if the person you're talking to really is against racism, they can join the cause to help prevent it.

Monday, November 10, 2008 9:48:00 pm  
Blogger maccusgermanis said...

"Racist histories," understandably rise caution, but they do not prove current ill-will. This is the same canard used to suggest that the US Const. should not be honored. At what point do we recognise fundamental change within an organization, or a people's culture? Must France be renamed the United States of Rand McNally? Otherwise ethnically French people might think themselves somehow connected with the long history of liberal reform that has occured there.

"As fighters for human rights," we should give some consideration to those existing instituions that have already proved either instrumental to, or deeply effected by, human rights struggles. In Europe, many of these instituions have an ethnic character. So long as ethnic nationalist, such as the Flemish, are content to limit their claims to the borders of Flanders and admit equal protection of law to minorities, then I don't see the problem in recognizing such a cultural hegemony.

Monday, November 10, 2008 10:34:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Citizen Warrior,

You said,
Plenty of people on the left (for lack of a better identifier) are against racism, and inequality, and they are adamantly pro-women's rights, pro-freedom of speech, and pro-freedom of religion. With a little education, they could see that Islamic teachings are the enemy of all they hold dear. When that light goes on, we have just gained an ally. And there are a huge number of these potential allies.

Allying with racists will lose them. Worse, it will make those potential allies into enemies of this movement. It has already in many parts of Europe.

I couldn't agree more, if the left was really being logically consistent, they would be among the greatest opponents of political Islam on the planet. Think about it, Islam is anti women's rights, anti guy rights, and anti freedom of religion. For example, Conservatives who oppose gay marriage, but openly oppose Muslims putting homosexuals to death for being homosexual, do more for gay rights than most liberals.

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:50:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Citizen Warrior, you said:

"Anonymous, what is your point? What are you saying exactly (and succinctly)?"

Damien gave the correct answer:

"if the left was really being logically consistent, they would be among the greatest opponents of political Islam on the planet."

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:25:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aryan Nations embracing Islam seems also to be a paradox.

The 'Blood and Soil' concept - the logic that for a people to survive (as a distinct racial and cultural group) they must have their own land is in contradiction with Islam: "Islam (...)has transcended racial and ethnic divisions."(Imam al-Dubya)

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:08:00 am  

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