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Sunday, October 11, 2009

Heil, Heil, Ziggity Heil !

This is a post by BabbaZee, originally posted on September 15, 2009. I am bumping it to the top for the moment.


A couple few days ago Andre asked me what I thought of the EDL. I told him I hadn't read enough about it yet to give him a cogent answer. Well, now I have.

Back in 2007 when I did the research on the VB I kept stressing to people that this sort of stealth entryism of racist nationalists and neo nazis into the legitimate anti-Islamist movement was turbo powered by the jihad itself, that it would rise on jihad's wings, that the jihad itself would conceal their real intent, blind you to them on that level. Which would then give them the opportunity to wear us like a beard.

It is doing just that. The fact that commies, assholes, shitheads and freaks of all description also decry these groups, and people we have known and in many cases respected now support them, is ancillary to the facts and is no reason to dismiss the reality of this situation. The fact that some people with good intentions are being used as dupes and useful idiots is no reason to ignore the truth. The fact that thousands of helpless regular Joes have no one else to turn to and so support and buy into their bullshit is also no reason to give it a pass.

Here is a small sampling of the reading I have been doing on the EDL:

SEKRIT HOOLIGAN SKWIRRELZ
Despite the failure of the first large event, the League insists it will continue to hold demonstrations. Comments on the group’s website, and the affiliated football hooliganism site Casuals United said that the next one would be bigger. One message on the Casuals United site read: “We will arrange it via the Inner Circles secret forums, so we will arrive unannounced and neither the police or the scum will know any details.”
The English Defence League (also known as the EDL)
is a British political group whose professed aim is to oppose the spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic terrorism in the United Kingdom.The group has organised various protests in the United Kingdom. The BBC states that the group leads "anti-Muslim extremism" demonstrations, grew out of the football casual movement, and is organised around figures in hooligan "firms". The League states that it opposes only "jihadists", rather than Muslims as people, although members were reported to have chanted "We hate Muslims" at pro-Palestinian demonstrators at counter-demonstrations in London on 13 September 2009.

Oh look...they are wearing hoods.... Charming. And Paul Ray is "Lionheart" - the drug dealing con man bullshit artist darling of the pro-VB crowd. His links to the BP are being severed cleanly as I write this post.
SNIP

The EDL has been at pains to stress that it is non-racist and opposed to Islamic extremism. However, its website states that "we are the infidels", suggesting animus against all Muslims, and far-right elements have shown up at protests held by the group in Luton and Birmingham.

The group's website was set up by a BNP activist, and Paul Ray - who was a leading figure in directing football supporters' "firms" into "anti-extremist" protests - maintains that the BNP's racism is residual and that God is in the process of guiding it into a non-racial nationalism. Ray's pro-BNP views meant that American conservatives such as Phyllis Chesler, who had initially championed him after his arrest last year, quickly dropped him (although Pamela Geller remains supportive).

A bitter feud with Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs followed, with Ray accusing Johnson of being "the equivalent of a Second World War Nazi collaborator who would have been shot because of his treason". Ray has also appeared on an American radio station claiming that the word "Paki" is just a neutral term like "Brit" or "Aussie", and that only Islamic extremists claim otherwise; however, everyone in the UK knows it to be a very offensive term of racial abuse. Ray has since fallen out with other EDL leaders, and he is now detached from the movement.
The English Defence League emerged from the angry scenes in Luton last March when a group of Muslims protested as the Royal Anglian Regiment paraded through the town on its return from Afghanistan.When a counter-demonstration under the name of United People of Luton led to arrests, local football supporters decided something should be done
They found common cause with other "soccer casuals" and "firms" associated with major clubs. The chatter concluded that this was a national problem and they had to put aside club rivalries. Things really took off after the same Islamist group "converted" an 11-year-old boy in Birmingham city centre in June. That incident caused a minor tabloid furore - but a greater reaction on the net, particularly on websites and forums associated with football violence and far-right activity. By the summer there were English Defence League "divisions" run by football supporters in Luton, north London, Bristol, Portsmouth and Southampton, Derby, Cardiff and the West Midlands.

snip

The British National Party has distanced itself from the EDL, but anti-racism campaigners have named party activists they have photographed at demonstrations. They add that some demos have included people with a record of football violence.
Well then.... if the BNP has disowned them.... they gotta be either
A) their muscle, and this is the agitprop CYA denial
or
B) their rival
or
C) their muscle, now perceived as a liability or a rival and must to be destroyed, there are more hooligans where these came from, it is a cycle with the BNP they wear out muscle like socks.
The British National Party has declared the “English Defence League” a proscribed organisation and it will be a disciplinary offence for any party member to be involved with that group.
Stormfront is with the EDL all the way - except for that Israeli flag shit
Although a few posters try to support it, but it is only because the Jews are not annoying them at this moment....


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67 Comments:

Blogger BabbaZee said...

oy.

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:14:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

if you are following links reload I had to fix them

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:36:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Sure doesn't look good for the EDL.

What is your conclusion? A, B, or C?

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:44:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

A

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Just another group with domestic 'culture' defense on their mind who probably think Israel IS a successful apartheid state and want to emulate her.

I hope aliens don't land here anytime soon.

On the other hand, maybe we will be better beings, and I'm not sure if that's the good news or the bad news

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:02:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

1) Israel can be used to legitimatize their desires for their own "nationalist states"

2) It ostensibly separates them from the left on Jew Hate and they get to purport themselves as Friends of Israel and co opt all sorts of Jewish fools

3) They count on the Muslims to get rid of us, and if they do not, we are next

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:57:00 pm  
Blogger WC said...

Choose Europe.
Islamic fascism or neo-fascism.

Or get off your asses and put moderates in control

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:11:00 am  
Anonymous andre79 said...

BabbaZee, in one of the links you posted on the EDL forum someone said they used Israel's flag just to piss Muslims off.

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:40:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

yes Andre I saw that

I tend to agree with it

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:43:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you fools will keep fighting among yourselves and accusing each other of nazis until the muslim boot crushes your throat

Friday, September 18, 2009 1:00:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Yep,

and you're the one who is getting on the train this time.

Friday, September 18, 2009 1:24:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Mein Fuhrer! You can type!

Friday, September 18, 2009 1:33:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

". . .Israel a successful apartheid state" is bullshit moral equivalence. Rather, compare to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan or any of the umma's examples of civilizational balance instead.

****
The BBC states that the group leads "anti-Muslim extremism" demonstrations, grew out of the football casual movement, and is organised around figures in hooligan "firms".
As much as I admire BBZ's tenacity, using the BBC as an 'unbiased'source is as valid as ". . .give[ing] them the opportunity to wear us like a beard."
****
"The EDL has been at pains to stress that it is non-racist and opposed to Islamic extremism. However, its website states that "we are the infidels", suggesting animus against all Muslims. .."
Animus or caution BBZ? Without Islam, there is no infidel.
****
re: ". . .A bitter feud with. . ."
advancing chuckles any credence reduces credibility even further.
****

Considering the EDL includes Hindus and Jews . . .draw your own conclusions about 'racism'.
No Jew or Hindu or Bhuddist is threatening the UK. No one is complaining about these immigrants since they willingly assimilate, do not inflict their beliefs on society as a whole and contribute at every level to society.
****

Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:06:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
I think you are misunderstanding.

BABBA IS NOT SAYING ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE.

Rather she is saying that fascists view Israel as "a successful apartheid state," or as I would say, a successful Ethnic Nationalist state.

It is a completely wrong conception.

Israel, like America, is a state founded on ideology, not on Ethnicity.

Anyone can become a Jew, and anyone who becomes a Jew can become a citizen of Israel.

The only other nation on Earth where someone buys into an ideology to become a citizen is the USA.

(Of, at least, that's the way it used to be. My wife, who is an immigrant, had to take classes in American History and it's Constitution, and she had to swear an oath of allegiance to America, in order to become a citizen.)

Regarding the rest of your comment, yes, you are correct that the EDL is non-racist in appearence.

The question is, are the leaders non-racist, or are they racists adopting a pose of non-racism for PR purposes?

That is the question Babba is addressing here.

It is an important question to address, if you want to maintain a just society.

No media, that I know of, describes the EDL as racist. However, many media outlets do describe the EDL as being led by "football hooligans."

I think you are familiar enough with English society to know that that is a strange and suspect group of people.

We are not saying the EDL is a racist organization.

This is a word of caution.

We can not invest our moral authority absolutely in an organization led by "football hooligans".

Doesn't that seem reasonable to you?

Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:27:00 pm  
Blogger maccusgermanis said...

Caution is understandable, but perhaps you'd like to clarify that which I've read this blog long enough to assume. The jihad they denounce is real, and they should have the right to march unmolested. This critique, while important could be mistaken for giving suppport for the censorship of these groups.As it is important to lend no legitamacy to racists, it is perhaps even more important too give none to censors.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:54:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

I am trying to decide if I want to be allied with racist, hood wearing rightist freaks, or racist hood wearing left wing freaks.

This entire STOOOOOOOPID idea that if you are related by linking to someone who linked to someone who.... who once linked to a Pam article on a link to Fjordman on a matter of fact means you are a racist fascist, or if you link to someone and quoted someone who is a LIBERAL or god forbid actual progressive who has something to say means you are a crypto socialist..has now become completely BORING.

So is the idea that if you are out for what is correct and call out those who are on your side, and call to attention that they are supporting a group of racist, fascists or what not, and that AT THE LEAST attention should be paid and questions asked, and sober thought committed, that it means you are not fully committed or demand 'too much purity'

The EDL DEMANDS that questions should be asked of their true nature and the JURY while leaning strongly has not yet ruled in my mind. They set off alarm bells.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:56:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Epa,
You said: completely BORING.
So is the idea that if you are out for what is correct and call out those who are on your side, and call to attention that they are supporting a group of racist, fascists or what not, and that AT THE LEAST attention should be paid and questions asked, and sober thought committed, that it means you are not fully committed or demand 'too much purity'
The EDL DEMANDS that questions should be asked of their true nature and the JURY while leaning strongly has not yet ruled in my mind. They set off alarm bells.



I say: Very well said. Thank you.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:09:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

MacusGermanis,
You said: perhaps you'd like to clarify that which I've read this blog long enough to assume. The jihad they denounce is real, and they should have the right to march unmolested.


I say: Yes, the UAF have conducted themselves as fascists, beating members of the EDL in the streets while the police just looked on.

The EDL has done no such thing, as far as I know. In fact, they have responded non-violently even when violently attacked.

I support that. I am glad they are doing what they are doing ... so far.

I am just hoping they are really who they say they are, and I have personal reasons for doubting it.

Remember a couple of things about me:

1) I have family in the UK, so I know a little about what goes on on the ground there.

2) I have connections within the couner-Jihad movement, and I hear stories that other people don't hear. I can not write about all of them, because they are hearsay, and I have no way to back them up. However, I do take some of them into account, based upon my relative trust in the people I hear them from.

That being said, I am very happy with the EDL, as I said, so far.


You said: This critique, while important could be mistaken for giving suppport for the censorship of these groups.


I say: God forbid. That is not my purpose. I am sorry if it seems like that is what I am saying.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:15:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Censor? NEVER

All we ask is for these groups to reveal their true nature.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:21:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The question is, are the leaders non-racist, or are they racists adopting a pose of non-racism for PR purposes?

That is the question Babba is addressing here.

It is an important question to address, if you want to maintain a just society."



Questioning the entire movement serves defeat. Survival mandates becoming intensely focused and targetting highly refined concerns/individuals without undermining what pitiful resistance is mustered under the boot of PC legal shackles.

Beyond criticism, a bit of support for what is and has been done well will build on strengths and filter out weaknesses. This is the model which made America strong. Self examination which revealed flaws did not result in absolute defeat. American's addressed the wrongs and tried again.

Be specific. Offer suggestions for improvement. Debate is healthy but time is not on our side. Would you recognize the world today if you were like Rumplestilskin waking up for the first time since 9/12/2001?

Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:41:00 pm  
Anonymous andre79 said...

Yes Epa,

And that's the point of Babbazee's post. Both UAF (the org name is a total joke) and EDL despise Jews and BZ is writing from a Jewish perspective.

The whole thing is not in the asked questions but in the un-asked ones.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:55:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
You said: Questioning the entire movement serves defeat.


I say: That is a slur against me. I do not question the entire movement. I spend hours every fucking day for the last five years, digging up information and presenting it for the purpose of helping to save Western Civilization.

I ask you to take that back. If not, then well, you have shown yourself to be a jerk.


You said: Beyond criticism, a bit of support for what is and has been done well will build on strengths and filter out weaknesses.


I say: That is not true. Critical analysis is always a good thing. It is the foundation of Western Civilization and it is what makes us different from our fascist adversaries.

Pick up a god damned history book and comprehend it for once.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:08:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This time you missed the point Pas . . ."Critical analysis is always a good thing. It is the foundation of Western Civilization and it is what makes us different from our fascist adversaries." . . .is exactly what I was saying . . .but I added the caution to be extraordinarily careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I am not the only one viewing these criticisms as against the entire movement instead of being aimed at intensely specific concerns.

We tend to agree far more than disagree and think we are on the same page overall - which brings me back here over and over again.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:14:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Unfortunately I am too sick today to hang around


Epa & Pastorious said what I would say anyway


BBL

Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:23:00 pm  
Blogger shiva said...

I am personally getting tired of the anti-jihad movement, I find this debate to be a load of bollox.

What we have is a group of nasties (EDL) for once doing the right thing, and risk getting their skulls smashed.

I think it is disgusting of the anti-jihad movement not showing more respect to the likes of this people, who are taking the fight to the jihadis and the socialist fascists.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:56:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
Ok, sorry if I missed your point.

I still don't understand though.

How is it that I criticize the entire movement?

Am I responsible for other people's misperceptions?

I swear that I am attempting to be as precise as I possibly can. Perhaps I am not articulate enough.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:12:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Shiva,
You said: What we have is a group of nasties (EDL) for once doing the right thing, and risk getting their skulls smashed.
I think it is disgusting of the anti-jihad movement not showing more respect to the likes of this people, who are taking the fight to the jihadis and the socialist fascists.


I say: I agree that at this point they are doing the right thing. I am not saying they are not doing the right thing.

And, I have complimented them on their bravery. I have acknowledged that the UAF beats members of the EDL in the streets, and the cops just sit there and watch.

Guys in the EDL HAVE ALREADY HAD THEIR SKULLS SMASHED.

And, the EDL have thus far been as peaceful as MLK.

I admire that. It's the right tactic at this point.

At some point, the Jihadists will push it too far, and then it will be time for real war.

In my opinion, the people of Paris should have gone to war against the Jihadists in the banlieus several years back. That 45 day long riot, where the police had no control was FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

No citizen should have to put up with that kind of chaos.

Problem is, in France, ONLY CRIMINALS HAVE GUNS. Good people do not.

Same thing in England, as far as I know.

That's makes it tough for you guys.

Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:16:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous, I just noticed something in your first comment. You said: Be specific. Offer suggestions for improvement.


You know what? You're absolutely right about that. I violated one of my own rules on commenting.

So, here's my suggestion: Those in the EDL who have been associated with the BNP should come out and publicly admit it, and explain what changed their minds.

I suspect that many people who join the BNP do so out of frustration with the Labor and Tory parties. I suspect that a good deal of these people are not racist.

But, some are probably former racists, and some probably may be still racists who have decided to change their strategy.

Is that wrong of me to say?

Thing is, you're never going to eliminate racism completely. There are racists everywhere. But, the point we're trying to make is that a responsible party ought to monitor itself and chastise or purge bad people.

For instance, when that idiot Trent Lott made his stupid comments several years back, he was asked to step down.

The people in the EDL know if there are bad people among them. They ought to own up to it, and get those people out, before they cause trouble.

Have I been specific enough in my suggestions?

Are they reasonable to you>?

Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:33:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The people in the EDL know if there are bad people among them.
They ought to own up to it, and get those people out, before they cause trouble."


You state that the EDL has performed as honorably as MLK - yet make the assumption that bad people are among them. Ok. Name them. Be specific as who is involved. Who is aware this/these person(s) exists? Address the specific individuals and suggest how to alleviate your specific concerns.
We do not denegrate muslims uniformly for similar reasons. Reasonable?

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:05:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
You must not have been able to read the whole thread, so I will copy and paste what I said above:

I am just hoping they are really who they say they are, and I have personal reasons for doubting it.

Remember a couple of things about me:

1) I have family in the UK, so I know a little about what goes on on the ground there.

2) I have connections within the couner-Jihad movement, and I hear stories that other people don't hear. I can not write about all of them, because they are hearsay, and I have no way to back them up. However, I do take some of them into account, based upon my relative trust in the people I hear them from.

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:12:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

And, besides, look at the evidence presented in this post.

Do you really want to tell me this is an organization which does not have its share of racists?

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:14:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I prefer to work with concrete facts .
So far, I have assumptions derived from hearsay to consider. So no, without better information and specifics, I will not state that this org has it's share of "racists" .

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:54:00 am  
Blogger jeppo said...

I'm just glad that *somebody* is finally protesting the Islamization of Britain. Even if the EDL contains its share of racists and football hooligans and other unsavoury types, so what? They haven't initiated any violence, only had it rained down on them. And if not them, who? If not now, when?

These are practically the only people left in al-England who don't live in physical fear of these violent "anti-fascists" and their Islamist allies. They're willing to actually get out on the streets and make their displeasure with radical Islam known to all. They've got guts, and sometimes guts is enough.

Monday, October 12, 2009 1:53:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
That's your right. You have your perspective, I have mine.

I'm not saying the EDL is necessarily riddled with racists. On the contrary I have said that thus far their behavior has been exemplary.

But, based upon their background, and based upon things I have heard, I will urge caution about them.

That's all I'm saying. That's my part in this. I promise myself tht I will be true to what I know, and to what I believe. I have to write the things I write, if I want to be true to what I believe.

Your part is you seem to know nothing that is wrong with them. Good. I hope you are right, and I hope that my caution is proven warrantless.

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:50:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Jeppo,
You said: if not them, who? If not now, when?
These are practically the only people left in al-England who don't live in physical fear of these violent "anti-fascists" and their Islamist allies. They're willing to actually get out on the streets and make their displeasure with radical Islam known to all. They've got guts, and sometimes guts is enough.


I say: Yep.

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:51:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

The ENTIRE idea of western liberal government in which critical analysis and change is possible is underpinned by the idea of CIVIL ORDER.

If Britain is unable to order itself FOR WHATEVER REASON, then this idea has already failed there.

If the result of that failure is the BNP, EDL, JDL, Templars and who knows what else, versus those who insist society change to encompass them as a special and pre-dominant case, then the anarchy which ALWAYS must result from government failure to enforce freedom of religion and speech must ensue.

Now, that said Finsbury Park is not an icon for religious freedom, nor is the BNP an icon for freedom of speech.

If they want to kill each other, then my feeling is not dissimilar to stories about Iran war plans to kill all the wahabbis, and their sure retaliation.

I have no dog in such a fight, and would root for attrition. So should all, IMHO, who wish individual freedoms to win out.

I only care when people invent the idea that the BNP can 'help' such a cause. They might help you remain alive, in a fashion, with you wondering a few years after such a 'victory' if the result was much different from the other guys if you in any way represent 'other'.

Other speech
Other thought
Other religion
Other culture
Other looks

What the BNP and such groups really want is not much different from the other guys, except who wields the ultimate threat of violence via govt. Protestations, and actual BELIEF by some of them that their beliefs can lead ultimately anywhere else are laughably absurd.

BTDT, for MILLENIA

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:03:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

yah. What Epa said.

And for the mazillionth time:

Very simple.

You do not make alliance with Satan to battle Satan...the only one assuredly eliminated at the end of that bullshit will be YOU

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:12:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

nice fucking hoods they got too

Monday, October 12, 2009 12:20:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Turning_Circles/5363241

Monday, October 12, 2009 1:43:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Babba,
I think what our Anonymous friend is saying is we do not have the absolute lock-down goods on the EDL.

He is right about that.

In fact, that is the spirit in which you originally posted this.

That's why (if you look towards the top of the comments) I asked you, what is your opinion, "A, B, or C?"

And, you responded "A", and I said, "It does not look good for the EDL."

The point was, WE'RE NOT SURE.

Anonymous' point is, he needs absolute proof.

I've tried to tell him that we have something very close to absolute proof, but we can not at this point, provide absolute proof.

It's kind of like our word against his word. The chips are stacked on our side, which would advise caution at the very least, but our friend doesn't know all the shit we know because

1) he doesn't study this stuff the way we do

2) I don't think he's on the ground in the UK

3) he doesn't hear the inside scoops that we hear which we can not publish because they are just gossip

What can you say at that point? The dude has the right to choose according to his perspective and reason.

You and I think he's choosing the wrong side ...

time will come when either he or we will be proven right.

I hope you and I are on the wrong side of this.

But, I doubt we are.

Monday, October 12, 2009 1:44:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Pastorius you think with a far more secular mind than I do
lol
And

There is no such thing as absolute proof ever BTW

And

it is always my word against the world

But it aint my word
it is GODS
I just repeat it over and over and over again in dada babbisms

turning circles

Are these guys bad?

Oh fuck yeah.

The hoods should tell you that by themselves.


But people love bad so long as it is THEIR bad

Absolute Proof? doesnt even help if you DO have it.

They will believe WTF they want to believe anyway

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:06:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

bottom line for me is I do not give a rats ass who believes me or not

I do not care who despises me and calls me names

I do not do this shit to please people matter of fact I know it will do the opposite

I do it to please GOD

I also have no desire to convert anyone, to anything, politically religious or otherwise...it's not in my contract.

All that is in my contract is I should say the truth when I see it no matter how crazy it sounds.


That's it and that's all

I leave the "arguments" to so smarts, fakers, and the writers of books

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:14:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

...And the emotionally incontinent

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:16:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

our sooper sekrit righteous bloodthirsty black face mask hoodie boyz are hallal and yours are harrrrram!!

so get on the fucking train...

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Heil_Myself/9823335

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:30:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

the narrow gate is way narrow

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:41:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Babba,
It is not that I think with a more secular mind than you. It is that I realize that my readers think with that mindset, and I try to communicate with them in a language they can understand.

You gotta give me credit for telling the truth for God's sake.

I just told the guy it is his right to take the other way, and it is. God gave him that right.

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:51:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

pastorious that was not meant as an indictment or a disparagement sorry if it read to you that way

just no mah yob mon

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:57:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Babba,
You said: the narrow gate is way narrow


I say: His yoke is way easy to carry ...

Pharisees are the ones who make it heavy:

43"Woe to you Pharisees! For you (AJ)love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places.

44"(AK)Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it."

45One of the [b](AL)lawyers said to Him in reply, "Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too."

46But He said, "Woe to you (AM)lawyers as well! For (AN)you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers.

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:00:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Truth is, I am more secular than you. However, it is by choice, not by stupidity.

I choose to work in the secular world. It is my choice. If God damns me for it, then I say, "Please forgive me, Lord. I believe, help me in my unbelief."

But, the thing is, if someone is out in front of people like you, herding the sheep on the frontlines, they ain't gonna get to that narrow gate.

I understand what you are saying. I'm just trying to help the best way I know how.

If I didn't believe in what you do, I wouldn't ask you to contribute here.

:)

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:02:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

And, for anyone who read the comment above, and thought to themselves, "Pastorius thinks of us as sheep?"

Well, sadly, we are all sheep.

The only way to not be a lamb is to be covered in the Blood of the Lamb, so that your eyes can be opened and you can see, so you can come to make real choices, and have real Free Will.

But, while the gate is narrow, as Babba says, it is not nearly impossible, because god can put a camel through the eye of a needle.

You don't need to agree with Babba and I to know God. You only need to be righteous. And, that is between you and the Law written on your hearts.

Everyone knows what is right and wrong. Question is, do you choose to follow it?

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:08:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

everybody gotta specialize in something

;)

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:10:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Are you calling me "Special"?

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:22:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

ROTF

yer so fuckin special!
I wish I wuz speshal

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Creep/1555663

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:27:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

But, I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here ...

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:29:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Shoegazing at it's best.

Monday, October 12, 2009 3:29:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

And, in conclusion, our Jihoodys are better than yours will be the consensus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js2DWq72K2M

Mazel Tov!
And may GOD bless and keep your Jihoodys...
far
away
from
me!

Monday, October 12, 2009 7:02:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

http://www.youtube.com/v/UIoX0wpt7dU&hl=en&fs=1

Monday, October 12, 2009 7:11:00 pm  
Blogger shiva said...

Babbazee

The guys who gave the nazi salutes where hunted down by the EDL supporters and told to fuck off.

I will not mince words, there are too many anti jihad wankers who can sit on the fence, while hiding behind a nick name criticizing people who have the balls to face the moslems and red fascist

Up until now you have only shown
UAF propaganda to support your claims.

Hasn't it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the jerk giving the nazi salutes are not EDL or Casuals

There is one guy wearing skinhead clothes, this for your imformatiom is not the type of clothing that a Casual would wear.

It would not surprise me if there where AUF/Searchlight infiltrators
Mixing in with the EDL,

Were all people with the EDL, EDL members, or were some just trouble makers along for the ride?

Babbazee

If you dont like what EDL VB or BNP are doing then I suggest STFU and start organizing demos and go out and risk getting your head cracked, instead of raking up shit about folks who are prepared to do more that just sit behind a keyboard.

Also The BNP where protesting against islam long before 95% of the anti-jihad blogs and forums ever existed, even before the wake up call of 9/11

One more thing, there could be a very good explanation as to why the Israeli flag appeared at both the BRM and Manchester demos.

Monday, October 12, 2009 10:33:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Babba,
You been called out. Wutcha gonna do bout it?

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:12:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Shiva,
I have a personal question for you. Say you were actually living in the UK right now and the BNP gained power.

Where does that leave your wife and, if you had any, your kids?

The BNP would not allow your wife to be part of society? Does that not bother you?

Or, is your wife just a whore to you like wives are to Muslims?

I love what you bring to this blog, but it seems to me you gotta be consistent with your own life, my man.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:14:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

lurvely.
Shalom to you too
Does anyone ever actually read what I write?

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:57:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Blogger Pastorius said...
Babba,
You been called out. Wutcha gonna do bout it?
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:12:00 AM

Well
since this is not the 9th grade, and I am entirely used to people being pissed at me,
absolutely nothing.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:12:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Babba,
You're just a pussy, after all, you are a chick.

Shiva can kick your ass and you know it.

LOL

Truth is, Shiva, when you insult Babba, you have no idea who you are messing with.

It's hilarious to me, cuz by insulting her the way you have done, you're doing exactly what you accuse her of doing.

This is a chick who could snap your neck quicker than you could say, "My name is Shiva."

I know you're a tough guy, and have lived a tough life, and that's one of the things I like about what you bring to this blog, but ... well, tough guy meet tough chick.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:40:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Can't wait to hear your answer to my question about your wife.

And, by the way, here's my invitation to you:

Write a post on how the EDL is more important than Western values. Tell it to us from your perspective. And, if you would do me the favor, explain in that post what you think about the conundrum of your wife (who is supposed to be your flesh - "the two shall become one flesh") and any children you might have with her, or might have had with her (if you can project).

Tell us about it.

Hey, what do we know, maybe we're wrong and you're right.

That's the point of this blog. We don't know what the fuck we're doing. That's why we want debate.

In fact, while I'm at it, why don't you put up a pro-BNP piece too.

Go all out.

And, whatever you do, please do not just shuffle off and quit posting at IBA. I want you here. You know this world from a point-of-view that few have experienced, and your contributions are very welcomed and cherished, as far as I'm concerned.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:45:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Pastorious... I think maybe you would have made a great schoolteacher, lol!

BTW for me? It is never about being "right" - it is about what IS right. Which has zero to do with MEEEEE .....but being "right" seems to be high priority among most people.

I AM RIGHT!
I WIN!
NYAH freakin NYAH!

Tell her what she's won, Don Pardo!

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Im_The_Slime/1924945

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:58:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEE'S WON AN ALL-EXPENSES PAID TRAIN VACATION STRAIGHT TO THE HOLOCAUST, BOB ... WHERE SHE'LL GET AN UP CLOSE VIEW OF THE LOVELY TOWN OF AUSCHWITZ THROUGH BARBED-WIRE ...

etc.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:09:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

oy not THAT again

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:14:00 pm  

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