Babba comments that Garlasco goes by the name of Flak88 in his Nazi Memorabilia discussion groups. 88 is White Power code for Heil Hitler. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet.
A leading human rights group has suspended its senior military analyst following revelations that he is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia.
Sebastian Scheiner/Associated PressThe group, Human Rights Watch, had initially thrown its full support behind the analyst, Marc Garlasco, when the news of his hobby came out last week. On Monday night, the group shifted course and suspended him with pay, “pending an investigation,” said Carroll Bogert, the group’s associate director.
“We have questions about whether we have learned everything we need to know,” she said.
The suspension comes at a time of heightened tension between, on one side, the new Israeli government and its allies on the right, and the other side, human rights organizations that have been critical of Israel. In recent months, the government has pledged an aggressive approach toward the groups to discredit what they argue is bias and error.
Injected suddenly into that heated conflict, word of Mr. Garlasco’s interest seemed startling to many. The disclosure ricocheted across the Internet: Mr. Garlasco, an American, was not only a collector, he has written a book, more than 400 pages long, about Nazi-era medals. His hobby, inspired he said by a German grandfather conscripted into Hitler’s army, was revealed on a pro-Israel blog, Mere Rhetoric Mere Rhetoric, which quoted his enthusiastic postings on collector sites under the pseudonym “Flak88” — including, “That is so cool! The leather SS jacket makes my blood go cold it is so COOL!”
It was a Rorschach moment in the conflict between Israel and its critics. The revelations were, depending on who is talking, either incontrovertible proof of bias or an irrelevant smear.
The Mere Rhetoric posting said Mr. Garlasco’s interests explained “anti-Israel biases.”
After the report about Mr. Garlasco came out, Mr. Dermer called it “perhaps a new low.”
At first, Human Rights Watch, a global organization with headquarters in New York, issued an unequivocal statement of support for Mr. Garlasco, saying he “has never held or expressed Nazi or anti-Semitic views.”
Ms. Bogert at the time said his work has been “extensively reviewed, lawyered, scrutinized, pulverized by our program and legal staff, and we have not in six years ever had cause to question his professional judgment.”
Mr. Garlasco, who worked at the Pentagon helping to target bombs in the second Persian Gulf war, has since traveled the world for Human Rights Watch, investigating and writing reports of the alleged use of white phosphorus munitions in Gaza, cluster munitions in Russia and Georgia, and other military practices in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon.
Ms. Bogert called the attacks on Mr. Garlasco and her group “a distraction from the real issue, which is the Israeli government’s behavior.”
But some who firmly support Human Rights Watch were left unsettled by the researcher’s extracurricular activities.
Helena Cobban, a blogger and activist who is on the group’s Middle East advisory committee, asked on her blog, Just World News, if Mr. Garlasco’s activities were “something an employer like Human Rights Watch ought to be worried about? After consideration, I say Yes.”
More from JPost (with thanks to Total):
"I thought that nothing could top a human rights organization trying to raise money in Saudi Arabia, but I was apparently wrong," said Ron Dermer, referring to HRW's fundraising efforts in the kingdom earlier this year, using its reports against Israel as a sales pitch. "A war crimes investigator who is an avid collector and trader in Nazi memorabilia is perhaps a new low."
Oh, really Ms. Bogert? It seems the real problem is the hypocritcal behaviour of your lousy excuse for a human rights watchdog. Raising money in Saudi Arabia with an anti-semetic marketing pitch? What a way to promote human rights! Forget about your Nazi-obsessed collector/documented civilian killer.
Before joining HRW, he worked as a senior intelligence analyst on Iraq at the Pentagon. It is obviously somewhat unclear how any of this qualifies Garlasco for his work at HRW, where he "specializes in battle damage assessment, military operations, and interrogations."
In this context it is also quite revealing to consider a letter written by HRW Associate Director Carroll Bogert to protest the publication of news about the controversy surrounding Garlasco in the British paperThe Guardian.
Bogert argues in this letter that "[the] fact that Marc Garlasco has been cited by your newspaper 19 times since he joined Human Rights Watch six years ago ... testifies to his authority as a military expert."
Really? It's that easy to become a military expert?
But it is definitely worthwhile to read the entire letter, because it provides an excellent illustration of the rigid ideological stance of HRW. Consider this line of "argument":
The fact that the Israeli foreign ministry is spreading such ad hominem attacks against him [i.e. Garlasco] should have been a warning sign, not a green light to publish. The allegations of pro-Nazi sympathies are part of a larger campaign to smear non-governmental organisations which criticise the Israel Defence Forces' conduct of the Gaza offensive."
Unmistakably, this echoes one of the favorite mantras of (semi-) professional Israel-bashers: Whatever comes from the Israeli government or any group or individual that can be labeled as "pro-Israel" should be dismissed out of hand as "propaganda."
Since Bogert brings up criticism of the IDF's conduct during the recent campaign in Gaza - which she of course describes as an "offensive" despite the fact that it came after some 3000 rocket and mortar attacks launched from Gaza in 2008 alone - it is most interesting to see how Garlasco once explained the high civilian casualties in Afghanistan.
Some of Garlasco's relevant statements have been posted on several blogs, highlighting his explanation in a CBS interview:
'I don't think people really appreciate the gymnastics that the U.S. military goes through in order to make sure that they're not killing civilians,' Garlasco points out. 'If so much care is being taken why are so many civilians getting killed?' Pelley asks. 'Because the Taliban are violating international law,' says Garlasco, 'and because the U.S. just doesn't have enough troops on the ground. You have the Taliban shielding in people's homes. And you have this small number of troops on the ground. And sometimes the only thing they can do is drop bombs.'"
Sounds like the dilemmas the IDF is facing in Gaza, doesn't it?
So how come Garlasco shows so much understanding for the predicament faced by US forces in Afghanistan, and so little for the challenges the IDF faces in trying to defend southern Israel against the rocket threat from Gaza?
This question becomes even harder to answer once you check out the entire CBS interview, which sheds some more light on what Garlasco was doing in the Pentagon:
At the Pentagon, Garlasco was chief of high value targeting at the start of the Iraq war. He told 60 Minutes how many civilians he was allowed to kill around each high-value target - targets like Saddam Hussein and his leadership. 'Our number was 30. So, for example, Saddam Hussein. If you're gonna kill up to 29 people in a strike against Saddam Hussein, that's not a problem,' Garlasco explains. 'But once you hit that number 30, we actually had to go to either President Bush or Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.' Garlasco says before the invasion of Iraq he recommended 50 air strikes aimed at high-value targets - Iraqi officials. But he says none of the targets on the list were actually killed. Instead, he says, 'a couple of hundred civilians at least' were killed."
In other words, in his previous job Garlasco contributed to the unnecessary deaths of "a couple of hundred civilians at least," and in his current job he goes after those faced with the same difficult task of fighting wars that inevitably cost the lives of innocent civilians.
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Ms. Bogert called the attacks on Mr. Garlasco and her group “a distraction from the real issue, which is the Israeli government’s behavior.”
From J-Post:
"I thought that nothing could top a human rights organization trying to raise money in Saudi Arabia, but I was apparently wrong," said Ron Dermer, referring to HRW's fundraising efforts in the kingdom earlier this year, using its reports against Israel as a sales pitch. "A war crimes investigator who is an avid collector and trader in Nazi memorabilia is perhaps a new low."
Oh, really Ms. Bogert? It seems the real problem is the hypocritcal behaviour of your lousy excuse for a human rights watchdog. Raising money in Saudi Arabia with an anti-semetic marketing pitch? What a way to promote human rights! Forget about your Nazi-obsessed collector/documented civilian killer.
More on that creep and the hypocrisy of HRW's work:
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/warpedmirror/entry/the_anti_israel_professionals_at
Andre did it. With the Zionist Hair Rays
And now the Garlasco controversy is on Wikipedia. Someone even posted that dandy photo of him drinking a beer while proudly sporting his Iron Cross sweater.
I apologize for the double-post. I forgot to link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Garlasco
BTW
FLAK88
88 is white power world code for Heil Hitler
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=88+Heil+Hitler&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Good observation, BabbaZee. Since H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, neo-Nazis use "88" or "HH" to infer "Heil Hitler". I don't believe that Garlasco is aware of the connection, but it certainly raises even more suspicions about him.
Oh I am sure he is aware of it, the people he had to buy that crap he was collecting from sure are
Oh, he *IS* very well aware of the meaning:
"MANY 88 pics in action. Just a great grouping!"
http://www.israellycool.com/2009/09/14/garlasco-gate-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/
andre your name is now on the front page lol
here and my place
"MANY 88 pics in action. Just a great grouping!"
The Flak 88 was a legendary German anti-air and anti-tank artillery piece in WWII. I would like to believe that he's just talking about the artillery pieces, but since there is undoubtedly a double meaning, I'm not sure what he is implying exactly. It could be coincidental or it could be intentional. The one thing for sure is that the negatives seem to keep piling up against Garlasco and there is nothing that he or HRW can do to salvage his shattered reputation.
Thanks BabbaZee. :)
Thanks, Andre; I didn't see that image. It has become painfully obvious that Garlasco undoubtedly knows about the alternate meaning of '88' and the evidence is mounting that he is indeed a Nazi sympathizer. Marc Garlasco's defenses are falling apart at a absurdly rapid pace and HRW is now guilty by association. HRW can no longer legitmately defend their hiring of this joker and thanks to him, their true colors are apparent for all rational people to see. This is a clear example of how bloggers can make a difference in world affairs.
Todah Andre
Just to clarify for everyone, these are the images that andre is referring to:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115265
There is not one picture of a Flak 88 artillery piece.
Mere Rhetoric did monumentally great work here.
No kidding, Pasto. A blogger residing here in Southern California just flipped the entire NGO world upside down with some sound investigative research. The only claim he failed to substantiate is the allegation that Garlasco has "Hamas death porn" posted on his photography page. Mere did awesome work as did BabbaZee and Andre with their additional input.
I really did not do anything
The others you mention did all the work and took this asshole down.
For now anyway.
(Actually, Andre did it with his hair rays I tell ya! But SHHH that's top sekrit)
It was EoZ who broke the story by finding Garlasco's profile on Amazon but eventually I think it was MG own doing. The tepid reaction from HRW, their previous involvement with the House of Saud were another factors.
Now with the Goldstone report days before Rosh Hashana...
andre
tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1939!
BabbaZee,
You pointed out the significance of '88', which Garlasco has in almost all of his online pseudonyms and is a number which he quotes often. There is always the connection with the FlaK 88 AA/AT gun, but its clear from the one quote that Andre posted that he used '88' to refer to 'Heil Hitler'. To me, that was damning evidence agaist him and his supporters. So, yes, you should undoubtedly be noted for your great observation.
Flak88 is also the personalized license plate on his car.
Dude's doing everything but saying, "Hey guys, I'm a Nazi."
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cT0taY0SvRs/SqZYeR_INFI/AAAAAAAAAK8/fS3x_NU_kK4/s1600-h/miniflak88.jpg
uccchhh
what an asshole Andre.
Well everyone knows now!
Hey soncethe BNP denouced the EDL maybe he can moe to the UK and start a new muscle org
lol
Then he could wear all his cool Nazi shit to the protests.
Total said...
Just to clarify for everyone, these are the images that andre is referring to:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115265
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you mean apart from the 3 photos on the top right of the Flak 88's firing ? ie in action ?
It seems blatantly obvious that he is talking about the grouping of the collection - ie the photos in the album tell a story.
I have trouble wrapping my mind around how twisted and bizarre the news has been lately.
1) the media reports "tens of thousands" marched at the 912 Rally in Washington
2) HRW's Garlasco is, apparently, a Nazi-sympathizer even though he is appointed to criticize Israel in it's ongoing conflict with the Palestinians
3) Acorn employees, across the nation, are shown to be corrupt to the point of giving pointers on tax evasion, child prostitution, and loan fraud
4) Barack Obama may indeed be the son of a man other than his father, because the various stories about his history are clearly obfuscation and even, maybe, outright lies.
And, of course, the relative truth of all of these stories has not made a splash in the MSM.
That's the real killer. That's the thing that makes it all really surreal.
What kind of world are we living in when the truth does not come out, even as it is effecting events and policies behind the scenes and before our very eyes?
It's like there are two realities going on. The real world vs. the Postmodernist MSM make it up as you go reality.
It's like the USSR or 1984. Black is white. War is Peace.
Ok, just pass me some Victory Gin and all will be well.
Schizoid,
Sorry, the photo was so big I missed the other page of it. There are three pics of FlaK 88s firing. This does not, however, discredit the mounting evidence that he is a Nazi-sympathizer. He states on the same photo album, "One album has a visit from Hitler!" To me, he sounds pretty damn enthusiastic about it.
To be honest I'm a little confused by the whole saga; and before I come across as an apologist - My sympathy lies with Israel in its current situation.
As it happens, I am also a keen military historian - but with my interest being centred on the Napoleonic wars. Strangely as an Englishman, the majority of my research is on the French side. I'm fascinated by Napoleon and his empire.
From what I can see of the blogs I've read, they all seem to use each others interpretation as evidence to back up their assertions. No doubt your comments on the absence of Flak guns and your reading of "grouping" will now be in half a dozen other blogs.
The reason I mention Napoleon is that I have a expansive library of books on him, some rather nice historical items - and I get excited by new finds. If you start labelling anyone who has an academic interest - which believe me can turn the historian into a child on his birthday - in a subject you dislike, then you run a real risk of tarnishing all of the other good work you do.
Oh and the Iron Cross was founded in 1813.
Schizoid,
You said: From what I can see of the blogs I've read, they all seem to use each others interpretation as evidence to back up their assertions.
I say: That is an astute observation. I think you are correct about that. And, though I am cognizant of this problem, I could not possibly be immune from it. It is the reality of the world we live in.
We are all echo chambers living within echo chambers.
Solpsists living amongst solipsists.
(Our only way out is God, but I digress.)
The larger point of this post is not that there is anything inherently wrong with collecting Nazi War Memorabilia. The point is that there is something very strange going on when a Human Rights organization employs someone with a specific interest in the war memorabilia of the enemy of the people the HR person is hired to critique/protect.
See what I mean?
Total is being very unbiased here in my opinion. He is presenting evidence, and questioning whether the evidence proves the case.
The 88 thing is rather damning, do you agree?
I'd say its a circular argument - I would argue that the comment on the "nice grouping" of 88's is taken totally out of context - and reiterated above ad nauseum.
Reading the Garlasco Gate blog, I would say the majority of the quotations are just silly - I mean, he complimented someone on a collection of signatures that show how they change over time ? Hang him!)
Lots of the comments I've read are very, very flimsy - the suggestion being anyone discussing Irvings work is a Nazi sympathiser. With history, ANY source is used - that is what it is all about - reading, comparing, critiquing and putting relevant weight on it. For instance I read Irvings Path to War (with the knowledge that he was a biased historian) and found some of the prime material he had used new to me. Chunks of it were complete garbage though. But just because I read the book, and can talk in the pubs to my mate about it leaves me open to the same charge as is being levelled at this guy.
It reminds me of a taoist proverb of a man who thinks his neighbour stole something. Long story short, followed him and he was very furtive, met shady people. Next day found said rake, noticed neighbour had stopped looking devious.
If you have to be constantly on vigil for something, I think you are beholden to ensure that you don't tilt at windmills.
(Now I've said that watch the next bit of evidence be him talking at a Combat 18 meeting :S)
Schizoid, I understand exactly what you're saying and don't worry, you do not come off as an apologist by any means. I'm well aware about the historical importance of the Iron Cross; it is even still used by the Bundeswehr and Luftwaffen. In regard to Napoleon, we can all agree that he is not associated with the stigma that Hitler is.
My issue from day one is the fact that Marc Garlasco is employed with HRW as one of the leading investigators on Israel when he has very suspect hobbies as well as questions of bias in his reportings. I think Helena Cobban, who has ties with HRW, says it the best:
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There is a huge commotion in the blogosphere about the fact that Marc Garlasco, the senior military affairs specialist at Human Rights Watch, has long sustained a hobby of collecting and writing about Nazi memorabilia.
I've thought this over lot since I first learned about it yesterday. Is collecting and writing a long book about Nazi memorabilia in his spare time something an employer like Human Rights Watch ought to be concerned about?
After consideration, I say Yes.
Now, it's true that here in the US we have very strict protections for free speech. Thus, collecting Nazi uniforms and insignia and even wearing them in public-- as Garlasco apparently was in this photo-- is not illegal here. (Wearing them in public would be illegal in Germany and several other places.)
But to have him doing work on human rights in the daytime, while carrying on with this intensively pursued hobby in the evening? That is bizarre, and disturbing.
Even more so when you realize that a lot of the work he has done has involved dealing with Israeli officials and citizens, and analyzing the IDF's operations.
It would be like employing someone to do child-protection work by day who goes home and collects pictures of naked or suggestively-clad children by night. For allegedly "artistic purposes".
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At this point, whatever I say about Garlasco is the least of his worries. The man has already dug his own grave by having his personal interests accessible to all over the web. There is no doubt his personal interests raise questions about his impartiality considering his job description. Mr. Garlasco and HRW have positioned themselves to be in this situation.
"Oh and the Iron Cross was founded in 1813."
Oh and the Swastika is an ancient Tibetan symbol. You left that part out.
"Oh and the Iron Cross was founded in 1813."
Oh and the Swastika is an ancient Tibetan symbol. You left that part out.
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No other comment on an impartial post that highlights a fundamental flaw in your argument? Yes, the Swastika was also used in a religious context, but you aren't comparing that usage - i.e. by a new age guru on an alternative medicine website/gathering. In the circle to which he is posting/socialising this would not be seen as political imagery.
If the worst that can be said of his online presence is
a) He compliments someone on a clear collection of autographs that clearly illustrate an unproven theory of Hitler's physical decline
b) He wishes his fellow collectors a Merry Christmas ("odd" according to the blog)
c) Complains that his nephew is getting married when a show about his hobby is on.
d) A website to which he posts about his specialist subject has a members whom uses an (indisputably true) quote from Hitler - however detestable the man, you can't deny "that a man wont die for something he doesn't believe in"..... surely that reinforces the "there were no innocents in the Wermacht" argument.)
Then I think the evidence is scanty, at best.
You levelled an accusation at 9:14am, which by looking at the context of what was being discussed is manifestly disingenuous (namely that a comment about 88 pics was a reference to a heil hitler). Infact you assert "Oh, he *IS* very well aware of the meaning" - with a link that fails to show that at all, and seems to be in response to the photographs) Then Total reinforces this assertion, ("here is always the connection with the FlaK 88 AA/AT gun, but its clear from the one quote that Andre posted that he used '88' to refer to 'Heil Hitler') twice.
I fully support any action in highlighting Nazi sympathisers, but to me, this just smacks of an injustice based on falsehoods.
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"But to have him doing work on human rights in the daytime, while carrying on with this intensively pursued hobby in the evening? That is bizarre, and disturbing."
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I can see the sense in your argument, however I would suggest only with the caveat that your information filtering needs to be superb; and coupled with a demonstratable failure in his duty within the role.
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I didn't post here to be a troll; as I mentioned earlier, my sympathies lie with Israel in her current predicament. I saw the story on the web, read the facts, articles and proof - and felt so uncomfortable with the circular, self fulfilling arguments that I made a post.
All I can say is that from this one example is that this has made me slightly more sceptical of these sorts of stories; surely not not the intention of the authors.
Shalom
e) The leather SS jacket makes my blood go cold it is so COOL!
"Yes, the Swastika was also used in a religious context, but you aren't comparing that usage - i.e. by a new age guru on an alternative medicine website/gathering. In the circle to which he is posting/socialising this would not be seen as political imagery."
Garlasco is not a homeopathic pot-smoking guru and the Iron Cross is not associated with Napoleonic wars.
"I can see the sense in your argument, however I would suggest only with the caveat that your information filtering needs to be superb; and coupled with a demonstratable failure in his duty within the role."
That is hilarious. He wasn't dismissed just because he collected old military trinkets.
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/gaza_beach_incident_timeline_of_hrw_involvement_and_activities_june_
And take a look at his work buddy:
http://ngo-monitor.org/article.php?viewall=yes&id=2598
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