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Wednesday, October 07, 2009

I am saying it, OK?


This shit is still true whether your perceived reptilian nemesis is an asshole or not.
His being a dick does not untrue it.

This has been a public service announcement of the Zionist Hobby Center.
Thank you. In case of emergency.... break glass.

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Blogger BabbaZee said...


Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:49:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I know you'll show up on this thread, so do me a favor, if you would, and dig up that thread from GoV where Fascism was being discussed as the logical answer to Islamofascism.

I want to include a link to that in this post.

Here's the thing, this issue being brought up again is, ONCE AGAIN, GOING TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF.

All the smart people of the blogosphere know who GoV is, and they know what they're about. And, they did not forget that comments thread, nor the fact that Baron and Dymphna not only did not shut those people down, but instead, encouraged the conversation.

Those people are, in my opinion, real "Fascists", as the Lizard himself would say.

Anyone who sides with them, anyone who is smart and can be expected to remember that thread, they are going to betray themselves as fascists too.

Wheat from chaff, here we go. On to the threshing floor, mates.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:55:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

IBA will not let up on this, no matter how many enemies we make.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:55:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

As per usual, I invite any of our commenters or contributors to disagree and provide counter-arguments.

We will not do what Charles has done.

Neither will we encourage fascism, as GoV has done, in my not very humble opinion.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:58:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Being Juden means never having a dearth of enemies


Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:59:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

It's EUROPE, baby.

Or as Luna Schlosser would say .."Oy vay iz...."

What distinguished this entire mess is the torturous logic and explanations to justify the entire path, and statements of this organization, it's antecedents, sister orgs and progeny.

But never mind, one listen to DeWinter in his interview with Shire Network News and the jig was up.

He is a more erudite Don Black amidst a continent where such sentiments are not as much an anathema as here, and have a long historical acceptance


OK PASTO let's see if I can find it.

God, I'd rather pull my own tooth out already .. I wish I could remember the approx dates for that thread

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:00:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

God, I'd rather pull my own tooth out already...

Me too. Times eleventy.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:03:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Not THE thread but here are two REVEALING threads as to the people who comment ...



In the end we still come down to 2 basic issues ..

Why no clear break with the past from VB? They might alienate too much of their base?

Is their support for Israel (I do NOT question it's reality) based in the premise that in fact the Arabs are RIGHT, that it is an apartheid state, and VB et al want to support and emulate THAT.

I will keep looking on that thread, but I have this work thing I do, as well

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:17:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:18:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...



Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:21:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

unrelated, yet strangely, related:

So Smart Scientists come to same scientific conclusion about the Crazy Ass Spleen as Stormfront did:



Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:03:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of us haven't changed our minds about European facism at all; it's the LGF hive-mind that changed on us!

Babba, you did wonderful work, researching the backgrounds of Vlaams Belang, and Flip de Winter. You gave LGF a ton of good information! And what was your reward? You got banned for your troubles.

And a lot of posters, like myself, spent a lot of time arguing with Vlaams Belang/BNP defenders, who told us, "Oh, we must make a deal with the devil! It's the only way to save Europe! You Americans were Stalin's allies in WWII! How can you be so un-nuanced? You just don't understand?"

And what was our reward? If we possessed any sort of religion at all, we were called "Nazis", and insulted on various anti-Christian threads, for being troglydite Neanderthals, and embarrassements to all decent conservatives everywhere! Zombie (more about he/she later) even wanted us drummed out of the conservative movement altogether, so we'd stop embarrassing everybody in front of the cool kids.

The fact that many of us "God botherers" had stood with Charles, and criticized the European facist movement, counted for nothing. We were "not of the body!"

Here's a prediction. Sooner or later, the European facist groups are going to form an alliance with Islam, and Charles is going to do a complete 180, and become their ardent supporter. And, when that happens, all the remaining lizards, who have no beliefs of their own, will say, "You the man, Charles! Vlaams Belang is okay, and those who do not support them are Nirthers, Flounders, Paulists and Islamophobes!"

Think I'm kidding? All some Facist group would have to do, would be to come out in support of, say, the Albanian Moslems (special pets of LGF)! Or to say that they utterly condemn creationism (these groups are strongly anti-religious, and big believers in "survival of the fittest.) Think lizards wouldn't go along with this? Remember Zombie? He/she has been banned, and, already, the obedient lizard chorus is bleating, "I have no more respect for Zombie. . . what's Zombie's game? I lost faith in Zombie, when. . . "

As I said; many of us haven't changed our minds about European Facism, but LGF changed on us. I hope it doesn't chang the way I've described here---but I'm not hopeful.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Babba, you schizoid Jewtian, you, when everyone gets mad at you, it means there's truth in what you're saying!

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:38:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patorious, I remember the big GoV blow up. I was, and still am, completely against their point of view. Charles, vis-a-vis them, and vis-a-vis facism, Vlaams Belang, Lionheart and all those other "delightful" totalitarians, was something I always agreed with him about, and never had a problem with. (I would like to see that old thread again, if anyone's got it.)

I'm beginning to wonder, though, just how long Charles, and LGF, are going to oppose them. When they talk about "Facists" these days, I get the feeling they mean Christians, religious Jews and anybody who suspects Islam of being up to no good.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:44:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

many thanks anon

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:27:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

There are two problems... Charles has very unfortunately cracked wide open in an orgasm of quite personal vitriol, and SOME PEOPLE he has attacked ARE in fact, fascists, or racists, or both.



But Pam, Bob Spencer, Andrew Bostom fascists and/or racists.. I mean rukiddingme? It's much more than lamentable.

Why not toss in Walid Phares, Steve Emerson, and the rest?

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:03:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Don't you know anything? Everyone is a racist and a fascist and a creationist and a loon but him, silly Epa.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:24:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Especially me!


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:26:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many thanks, Babba!

Again, to those who think I might be kidding---recently, one of the Lizards spammed Hot Air (I think it was) leaving horribly racist remarks. This was allegedly to prove that this site is racist. Charles, who is usually so quick with the ban stick, sloughed this off, and claimed the racism charge was still true, even though the Lizardoid was the only one making racist posts.

A lot of these people are just waiting for the chance to unleash their inner Nazi, and condemn Facism and racism, while indulging in it themselves.

And everybody's going to be a racist, creationist, Nirther, Birther, loon---except them.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:34:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's gone beyond Pam, Spencer and the others, Epa.

He's now going after Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin and any, and everybody else who could even remotely be described as conservative.

He's even banned Baldilocks---please, don't ask me why! Maybe he, or, more likely, Kilgore, decided she's racist, too. Baldilocks said we should all pray for him, that he's under attack from Stan. This explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've heard!

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:38:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, yes, one of the bad things about Charles lashing out at everyone from Baldilocks to Brawer, and accusing them of being racist/facist, is that some people have begun to think he must have been wrong about Vlaams Belang, as well, and that they're really okay. While supposedly hating these groups, Charles has been whomping up more support for them.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:41:00 am  
Anonymous revereridesagain said...

(Bawer would eat his lunch for him. That is not a man who suffers fools gladly.)

Babba pretty much covered the waterfront on this one. In the absence of the ability to defend themselves on anything more substantial than "tradition" and such, Europe will slide further towards fascism as it is swallowed up by Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if the two eventually merged, either.

Those who stay free of the Fascists and Nazis and Supremacists while continuing the fight against Islam must be defended against the thrashing broad-brushers like Charles. We get called Nazis by the liberals all the time, so we carefully point out who are the crazies with the swastikas and runes and copies of the Protocols and who are not, and we soldier on.

Back when I investigated cults and was a specialist in occultist groups, I did a lot of research on Neo-Nazi and other connections. It's not a pleasant task or one I'd care to repeat. Thanks to Babba for taking it on.

Meanwhile I've talked myself into hot water again but over on another blog so I'll probably hide out for a day or two...

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:59:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Thanks Revere.

You made balagan? No! Absurd! Unheard of!

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:22:00 am  
Blogger rumcrook™ said...

charles I think is banning people not becuase they hold differing views exactly,... that is part of the reason, but I think the broader reason he's doing it is like a political cleansing. all the reasons everyone is getting banned is just an excuse to pull the trigger.

the real reason is to make room for the new crowd of more left leaning sychaphants he would like to come and feel right at home at lgf.

its the only thing I can come up with that he has gotten to where he cannot stand debate.

since I dont go there anymore I was unaware he banned zombie.

that really is unbelievable.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:28:00 am  
Blogger rumcrook™ said...

another thing that makes me laugh is his constant attack of sarah palin

she doesnt even hold an office anymore, and yet he is "all over" the fact she had help writing her book and apparently he doesnt like the ghost writer oooooh.

going after sarah palin is like the canary in the coal mine for me on the direction of someones politics.

you dont have to love her or think shes smart, but come on if you spend all your time this long after the election still going after her its pretty obvious your heading far left.

and zero the hero is the president his ghost writer is a f***cking terrorist for crying out loud but I didnt here that he posted on that or see him post on that!

no hes definatly decided to head left and he has to clear the decks.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:36:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

This comments thread is awesome. I guess those who oppose us on this issue have either fled or have decided to keep quiet.

Anyway, comment of the thread so far:

"Baldilocks said we should all pray for him, that he's under attack from Stan. This explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've heard!"


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:39:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

And, I would also like to say that the following seems to me a particularly pathos-filled, truthful, and possibly prescient comment:

"A lot of us haven't changed our minds about European facism at all; it's the LGF hive-mind that changed on us!

Babba, you did wonderful work, researching the backgrounds of Vlaams Belang, and Flip de Winter. You gave LGF a ton of good information! And what was your reward? You got banned for your troubles.

And a lot of posters, like myself, spent a lot of time arguing with Vlaams Belang/BNP defenders, who told us, "Oh, we must make a deal with the devil! It's the only way to save Europe! You Americans were Stalin's allies in WWII! How can you be so un-nuanced? You just don't understand?"

And what was our reward? If we possessed any sort of religion at all, we were called "Nazis", and insulted on various anti-Christian threads, for being troglydite Neanderthals, and embarrassements to all decent conservatives everywhere! Zombie (more about he/she later) even wanted us drummed out of the conservative movement altogether, so we'd stop embarrassing everybody in front of the cool kids.

The fact that many of us "God botherers" had stood with Charles, and criticized the European facist movement, counted for nothing. We were "not of the body!"

Here's a prediction. Sooner or later, the European facist groups are going to form an alliance with Islam, and Charles is going to do a complete 180, and become their ardent supporter. And, when that happens, all the remaining lizards, who have no beliefs of their own, will say, "You the man, Charles! Vlaams Belang is okay, and those who do not support them are Nirthers, Flounders, Paulists and Islamophobes!""

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:42:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

lol @ Baldilocks assesment.

However.. a small quibble; he is not under "attack" from Stan

he is in covenant with him
Big freakin' difference

BTW Dick Dawkins is attacking Palin too....
All the cool kids are doing it!

Richard Dawkins: Palin's an "ignorant, know-nothing bigot"

And Dickie D is a Jew hating eugenicist loving pompass ass of an crazed agendiac Darwingelical zoologist who hates Judaism and Christianity and has gone on the Mad Sciencefada against us all. But who's counting?

in this post

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:52:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

"A lot of us haven't changed our minds about European facism at all; it's the LGF hive-mind that changed on us!"

BTW anon

You appear to have been there at the time ... do you remember the hellified amount of shit I was taking while I was doing that research for refusing to call anyone a NAZI based on his posts and challenging him on the evidence (if you could call it that) that he presented? And BTW the whole Swedish Democrats thing that he tried to float was nothing, all bullshit. He got LUCKY with the VB - that they actually WERE fascists.

It took me a few weeks to do the first part of the research which resulted in those posts which he quickly reposted once I had them up... which I never thought he would do, and he didn't ask if he could. He just did it. He also never said thank you. But that was typical of him.


Anyone who was there at that time should remember the LGF hive mind was already in full swing, for during those weeks when I was still working on it I was treated like a "troll" told that soon enough the blog would "fall into the right hands" etc, how DARE I challenge the great one... yaddayaddayaddaski

Then after he ran my shit they all had to STFU and STFD and some even tried to kiss my ass. And I presented it.


Yah how very fucking kooky of me to not want to indict anyone of anything till I had enough information to make a determination... at the site that supposedly fact checked asses. I was treated like a troll there for "fact checking" and that was then...

What a truly crazy radical bitch I am! they are so right about me!

And you see, the blog finally has fallen into the "right hands"... and they can shit in one hand and put their righteousness in the other and see which gets filled first far as I am concerned.

I did this work for myself, and because Pam was my friend and I was worried about her. I offered it to her before I ran it, told her to post it all as hers and extricate herself from them.

Her answer to me was "Where's the Beef" ....She never read any of it, and she hasn't spoken to me since.

Still love ya mama.

Also remember that at LGF when she apologized to him they all immediately starting stirrung posts and talking shit and calling for Charles to refuse her and I got in trouble there too for calling them all poison tongue bunny boiling hagfucks or something along those lines. It was disgusting.

And no Pam I do not think you are a fascist. I never did. i stuck up for you everywhere and at all times. IMO your pride vanity and a sort of foolish elitist laziness is what ties you to them, not any fascism on your part.

It was too hard to vett them - too much fucking work to even read the job I did...and you were already so thrilled with being the big bombshell anti jihad cheese at the fancy Eurobash that there was no way you were going to back out of all that attention.

Stupid. But I still love ya. I am sure you do not love me but that's OK too, I'm used to it.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:13:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

BTW the whole Pam thing I just described is EXACTLY what they want/ wanted


and with a good looking Jewish broad to boot.
They couldn't be happier.

Political beards R us

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:33:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Blogger Pastorius said...
I guess those who oppose us on this issue have either fled or have decided to keep quiet.

Very weird. then again, not... BTW Lotsa of hits to that VB work though, LOTS.

If you remember at the time I posted these originally I did not get too much flak from the pro VB people either, they even stayed low on the threads as posted at LGF that were mine...

other than GOV calling me a know nothing disabled retard that time which they did sort of in a behind my back way it is not like they came and posted it on one of my threads or at LGF... and I never even saw it till like a year later...

Also I really do and did understand why so many people WANT to believe they are OK, they have no where else to turn, and so I was not fucked up to those pro VB people like the rest of those assholes were... Jeppo will remember it... also Bottehund
I tried to get them to read the work, I tried to get them to understand you dont make alliance with satan to get rid of satan....

There really is no arguing with that massive amount of information, the evidence I place there is OVERWHELMING - I made sure of it. and they know it. I never had one "argument" anywhere about it, ever.

people called me names and told lies and crap like that yeah. Talked about me like a dog, yeah.
But no one can challenge the information in those posts in any legitimate manner. No one has ever directly challenged me on any of it. They only tended to show up (then & now) on threads that did not belong to me on the topic.

be kind to me
or treat me mean
I'll make the most of it
I'm an extraordinary machine.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

And, here are the two funniest things about Babba's story:

1) Charles not only banned Babba, but he removed EVERY COMMENT SHE EVER POSTED AT LGF. LOL


2) That picture of Babba at the top of this thread is a REAL PHOTOGRAPH OF HER, GUARANTEED NOT PHOTOSHOPPED. LOL

Babba is one sizzlin' hot mama for a disabled retard.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:31:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Oh... far as I know he has not removed those VB posts though... even though he did scrub all my comments....

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:40:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BabbaZee for babe of the week.

But really, Babba, do you have any pics from back in the day when you really were sizzlin' hot, cuz it is true that even in your mid-forties and with half your spleen tied behind your back, you are still pretty hot.

You must have been sizzlin' when you were young, right?

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:46:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

yeah I was once - and I had no clue about it either ass that I was.. but I sho' aint no mo!
Now I am just a mildly attractive strange old slightly chubby lady with wild hair


I hardly have any pictures of me at all especially from those days.. it wasn;t like Ihad a camera. Or a roof. LOL

I think I sent you the one I found that time that I scanned...

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:52:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

I'll talk to you manyana, P.

I must now to sleep the sleep of the disabled retard.


thanks everyone


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:56:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Babba, yes, I remember the hell you went through,and the all the research you did. Remember all those posts trying to prove Flip Dewinter's Nordic cross was actually a harmless little ol' Celtic cross, hey, can't you see that? What's the matter with Celtic crosses? Celtic crosses are harmless, and that's obviously a Celtic cross, so that means Vlaams Belang must be okay, right? I mean, the Celtic cross proves that, and it really is a Celtic cross, not an occultic Nordic one, so it's perfectly okay, blah, blah, blah, yakkity, yakkity, and, anyway, what else are Europeans supposed to do? They have to do something about Islam, don't they, and only the Nazis want to do anything to save them, and Vlaams Belang likes Israel, we know, because they said so themselves, would they lie? Hey, people who have Celtic crosses wouldn't lie, would they?

And so on.

Yes, the Hive-mind was coming into being back then. It started making itself known with that oh-so-important posh European conference that had such disruptive effects. Entryism? They got their useful Jew (attractive, charismatic) to help them get their foot in the door? I think so. And help from GoV, which, sadly, dropped a lot of its reporting on Islam in America, and started carrying water for questionable European groups instead.

Something bad happened at that conference, and it's spread.

Charles can keep the VB posts, but you're the one who actually did the work, Babba!

(And Revere, sounds like you did good work on the Nazis/occult; there really is a connection, few people realize that. And, Pastorious, thanks for the kind words.)

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:02:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, again, Babba, I remember how you wanted to assemble the material first, and how it was, "Oh, no, no, no, we must all listen to the great one! How dare you question?"

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:21:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why Should Polygamy be a Crime?


Polygamy can end the hurt caused by husband’s cheating, says an Islamic scholar.

In June last year, Triple J’s current affairs program Hack ran an item on plural relationships. The ABC’s youth broadcaster interviewed me about polygyny, a form of polygamous marriage in which a man has more than one wife at the same time. A bisexual couple were also interviewed.

To my surprise, I was reported on the ABC’s respected current affairs program AM the next morning. Without speaking to me again and after seeking comments from the Attorney-General’s office, AM ran the line: “Undeterred Keysar Trad says he’s hoping to find another wife to join his family. To do so, he says, would be to honour his first wife.”

No such comment had aired on Hack. The media then spent more than a week mocking the practice of a husband having two or more wives simultaneously. No one took issue with the bisexual relationship, which involved one man and his female partner, who also had a relationship with another woman.

At the end of an interview on 2UE, Mike Carlton declared that, as a Judeo-Christian nation, we marry one person for life. After a pause, he added that we just have lots of affairs on the side.

In Western society, the “other woman” in an affair is stigmatised. She faces significant pressure to keep the relationship secret to protect her man because modern society frowns on plural heterosexual relations. If she fell pregnant, society — including her partner — could place great pressure on her to have an abortion.

The mistress in an affair should have rights. She needs to be protected if she decides to end the relationship because the man refuses to live up to her expectations and leave his wife.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:21:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Attorney-General, Robert McClelland, must have been paying attention. A few months later, he introduced legislation granting rights to the second woman so that she could also share the assets of her married lover.

The problem of deception, however, does not go away. Why in the liberal 21st century must we live a lie in relationships? And why do we continue to maintain a facade that monogamy is a perfect institution, when studies consistently reveal that most men admit to having affairs? Monogamy is great, but it is clearly not for everybody.

Islam openly acknowledges this fact of human nature and stipulates a regulatory framework for plural relations. But modern Western society, suspicious of all things Islamic, fails to recognise the qualities of Muslim marriage and family.

Legally enforceable monogamy was introduced by Emperor Justinian in the year 534. Justinian himself kept a courtesan as a mistress. He married her after the death of his wife, Euphemia, and only after he convinced Justin, his predecessor, to change the law so that senators could marry actresses and courtesans.

Justinian is said to have criminalised plural unions under the influence of St Augustine, though Augustine clearly stated in his treatise on marriage that having several wives is not “contrary to the nature of marriage”. Yet like other church fathers, Augustine preferred celibacy, or monogamous marriage if one could not be celibate.

Over the years, I have counselled adulterers from different faith backgrounds. I never tried to punish, hurt or expose them. I tried to guide them to mend their ways. I tried to help them understand that sex outside marriage was neither in their best interests nor in the best interests of society. If they were married, I did my best to ensure that their marriage remained safe and stable. Had they been in plural unions that conformed to the Islamic regulatory framework, such relationships would not have been adulterous, but divinely sanctioned unions.

Australian law has maintained the Justinian facade that a marriage is one man and one woman, and that every other relationship must be kept secret. Under Australian law, bigamy attracts penalties of up to seven years’ imprisonment. On the other hand, polygamous marriages conducted overseas are recognised under family law for the purpose of property settlements.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:22:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When a couple marry in a Christian church, it indicates they want their marriage to be governed by the rules of that church. The same applies for unions conducted under Muslim rules. For a marriage to be valid under Islam, it requires the consent of both parties, at least two witnesses and a dowry paid by the groom to the bride as a gift for her to use as she pleases.

There is no requirement for such a union to be “legally” registered with a secular body that does not recognise the clauses in a Muslim union. Plural relations of this nature that take place in Australia are treated like de facto relationships and are not registered. This keeps them outside the ambit of the nation’s criminal and marriage laws. Such unions are not considered adulterous because they follow the rules of an Islamic union. They are not secret and they carry no stigma under God.

This is not to say that people are actively encouraged to enter such unions. Islam stipulates very strict equality in the treatment of wives. If a man cannot treat his wives equally, the Koran says he should have only one. Monogamy is the norm in Muslim communities. However, men who are capable of supporting more than one partner equally are advised to be open, honest and accountable in their relationships and to treat their wives fairly.

Yes, polygyny may lead to jealousy. We are all human. But in a caring and sharing world where we become euphoric when we give to those in need, sponsor orphans and provide foster care, the ultimate in giving is for a woman to give a fraction of her husband’s time and affection to another woman who is willing to share with her. It is a spiritually rewarding experience that allows women to grow while the husband toils to provide for more than one partner.

In most cases, the husband ends up providing separate accommodation. The women can agree to share dwellings — it’s entirely up to them. Many men in Western society complain about their mother-in-law or a “nagging” wife. If his wife and in-laws were difficult, would he seek more of the same? The willingness of a man to take on another wife is in fact a form of praise to his first wife.

While Islam sanctions polygyny, it does not condone threesomes. Islam also does not permit polyandry, a form of relationship in which a wife takes more than one husband. There are many reasons for this. Some are medical, some relate to paternity. Others pertain to the sexual proclivities of the different genders. The sex therapist Bettina Arndt, promoting her book Sex Diaries, outlined the merits of women saying “yes” more often to sex with their husbands. If Arndt’s research is reflective of a greater portion of the population, a monogamous relationship leads to reduced interest in sex among women and a perpetual state of conjugal frustration among men.

If men in monogamous relations are not satiated, by its very nature polyandry creates an overwhelming burden for a woman in long-term relationships.

Who someone marries first is an accident of history. If a man who has an affair had met his mistress before his wife, he may have married her. Why maintain the facade that is the Justinian doctrine of monogamy knowing it has failed as a social experiment?

A man can have multiple girlfriends. Why not formalise that into a commitment for life? Why should “bigamy” be a crime?

Keysar Trad is president of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia. He was a guest speaker on why polygamy and other Islamic values are good for Australia at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas in Sydney.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:23:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:24:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I can't tell you all what a pleasure it is to meet like-minded people.

I don't mind the arguments, in fact, I relish them.

But, in the past, I have felt as if I was surrounded by nutballs. Apparently, the people who believe something like the way BabbaZee, Epa, myself, AOW, MR, RRA, and WC believe, have found their way to our site.

And thank God (or no God, if you are an atheist, cuz I don't care) for that.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:25:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

High school teacher keeps job after handing out pornographic ‘banned book’

A father of a high-school student is infuriated after he said a teacher provided “banned books” to her 11th-grade students, including at least one with explicit descriptions of homosexual sex acts, rape, masturbation, profane language and even bestiality.

John Davis, father of an 11th-grade student at William Byrd High School in Vinton, Va., told WND that English teacher Kathleen Renard provided her personal copy of a book called “Perks of Being a Wallflower” by Stephen Chbosky to one of her English students, and it was passed to his son. The book is published by MTV Books.

Davis found the book in his son’s possession, along with a bookmark that said, “Read banned books. They’re your ticket to freedom.”

“My son was reading the book and stated it was a school assignment,” Davis told WND. “He was embarrassed that I began to peruse through the book and discovered its contents. He advised that the book belongs to his English teacher, Mrs. Kathleen Renard.”

Upon reading the book, Davis discovered the following:

sex acts between teenagers

male and female masturbation


oral sex

extensive use of profanity, especially the “F”-word

multiple cases of homosexual acts between teenage boys, including kissing, seduction and anal sex

illegal drug and alcohol use, including smoking marijuana, dropping acid and LSD usage

anonymous homosexual acts between men and boys

rape of a teenage girl while she cried

molestation of a young boy by a woman

molestation of a young girl by an older man

how hitting a girl can turn her on and make her love a boy

attempted sex between a boy and a dog

Davis confiscated the book and arranged to meet with Renard and William Byrd High School Principal Richard Turner.


Davis is still in possession of the book and has chosen not to give it back to the instructor because he said he doesn’t want it back in the hands of students.

“This is one of the better schools around,” he told WND. “People need to wake up and start questioning some of the things that are going on in the schools. They wonder why we’re having so many problems with teens. A lot of it has to do with what goes on in the schools.”


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:28:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MI6 Confirms Ahmadinejad’s Jewish Roots

Iranian Embassy: ‘It’s not something we would ever talk about’

LONDON — MI6, Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, has established that the greatest living Holocaust denier, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, comes from a Jewish family whose genetic line stretches back hundreds of years and whose members came to Iran when Cyrus the Great liberated them from slavery in Babylon in 593 BC, according to a report from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:31:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


“The Virgins in Paradise Are White”

A Saudi cleric named Sheikh Muhammad al-Munajid has promised on Saudi TV that the virgins we Muslims will get in paradise will be white. If you blow yourself up in a martyrdom operation, you’ll be rewarded with 72 pure women, and not one of them will be black or Indian, or even Arab or Iranian.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:34:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, Wow! I still don't know the whole history behind most of these comments but one comment caught my attention:

"I wouldn't be surprised if the two eventually merged, either."

They did merge together before. Naziism and Islam. Remember Haji Amin's meeting with Hitler where they discussed the "Jewish problem"? That same Haji Amin recruited Muslims for Hitler's Army later. And no, Haji Amin wasn't condemned in the Islamic world for doing so. So I don't doubt at all that fascism and Islam will merge again, given enough time and SUPPORT!


THere is no argument here, I think, because we are all just "narrow-minded, un-cool, conservative bigots!"

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:54:00 am  
Blogger midnight rider said...

Avenging Apostate -- who you callin' un-cool. . .

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:58:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:00:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh by the way, how about actually changing the infidel babe? I think its about time and I seem to be the only one who notices that :-s...

I better shut up now.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:13:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

yeah, anon

the HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THING is what was troubling... The people making inane arguments about Celtic crosses I pretty much just ignored.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:20:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

BTW I just checked, he did not delink these posts


and he says all sorts of complimentary things about me in the blurbs



so when he sat there calling me insane on thread after thread last year and more recently after the Dawkins post last week, how does he explain that?

How can I be insane and my research be so good it is too good to delink, all at the same time?


I find that very amusing

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:47:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

The answer to that is simple. You have schizophrenia brought on by a belief in G-d.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:38:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The answer to that is simple. You have schizophrenia brought on by a belief in G-d.

**slaps forhead**

Of Course!!

Wonderful comments, oh I remember it well...

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:18:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

"hat picture of Babba at the top of this thread is a REAL PHOTOGRAPH OF HER, GUARANTEED NOT PHOTOSHOPPED. LOL"

I knew there was a reason I 'lurved' u

BTW, I know this Stan who is after CJ. He tried to extort lunch money from me in third grade in the south bronx.

I banned him.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:04:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...


Are you really from the Bronx?

Me too.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:05:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Right where Bryant Avenue intersects the Cross Bronx Expressway, almost precisely at Boston Rd, where the El is.

Any doubt why I live on lake in rural Maine? Last time I saw the block in the 70's it looked like Berlin in 1945

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:13:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Holy shit ...LURVELY! well that explains everything lol

I lived @ Bainbridge & 197th

my father was a cop in the 40th pct 149th & Brook that area

Remember the drive in by the Cross Bronx at Zerega? WTF was the name of it...

and...also the reason I live on the second highest point in the state of CT LOL

Last time I saw the neighborhood was almost 20 years ago and I would not walk it unarmed then

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:23:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Here's to da Olden Bronx!


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's like this, Babba.

When Charles finds your research useful (and because he's too lazy to do it on his own), it's good stuff, and he provides links for it, hoping everybody will credit him for it, and not you.

When you defame Dickie Dawkins, however, or Darwin almighty or any other sacred lizard cow, your are schizophrenic, and a menace to all right thinking folk. Remember, if Big Brother---ooops, I mean Charles---says two plus two equals five, then you must agree. Otherwise, you're crazy.

Somebody certainly seems to schizophrenic, or at least very confused, here---and it's not you.

I could write volumes about how creepy the atmosphere at LGF has become. The monitors, like Kilgore, Irish Rose, all seem to be in some strange competition as to who is Charles' favorite. All I'll say is, look at the current treatment of Zombie. He/she was once considered golden boy/girl, and now has moved to Glen Beck status, in the lizards' collective opinion. Really, it's 1984 stuff.

Yes, the "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION?" was awful, though the Celtic cross thing did get worked to death. Seems it got trotted out, nearly every thread, and so many tied themselves in knots, trying to prove it really, really, wasn't a white power cross! I mean look at it! Just look at it!

I'm not the "anonymous" posting the polygamy stuff; blogger doesn't like me, and won't let me sign in properly, but I'll give myself a name!


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:02:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Avenging Apostate,

Islam and Nazism never really merged. The Jihadists of the time and the Nazis just joined forces. Its possible that both the Jihadists and the Nazi would have gone to war with each other afterward if the axis had won the war. The Nazis might well have go to war with their other allies as well, if the Axis had won the war.

True that both Muslim fundamentalists and Nazis hate and want to Jews, but for different reasons.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:00:00 pm  
Blogger commoncents said...

Great post! I really like your blog!!

ps. Link Exchange?

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:16:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

All evil meets 3x daily at Jew Hate Junction!


alllllll aboooooaaaaaaaaard!

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:18:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

thanks common cents

this is my post
but Pastorious' blog

I will put the link to your blog in the Zionist Hobby Center Reading Room at my gypsy flophouse though

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:22:00 pm  
Anonymous revereridesagain said...

The lack of recognition of the danger of Islamism and the widespread public ignorance of the role of occultism in German Nazism both have traction because most people don't think anyone really takes "weird" or "extreme" belief systems seriously. If people think that "devout" Muslims could not take jihad seriously enough to strap bombs to themselves and blow up people in the name of Allah or believe that Nazism was relly just all about "economics" are they refreshingly naive or intellectually lazy? It doesn't mean having to think every single Muslim or occultist is a walking time bomb, just being aware that there are some people who will take the freakiest train of thought right through to the last stop.

Epa and Babba

Ever try driving the Cross Bronx Expressway or the BQE back in the 80s-90s with an out-of-towner in the car? One guy actually asked why I didn't have a gun with me.

Anon and everyone --

One reason (besides not being able to keep my mouth shut) I defend my "unpopular" convictions here (and elsewhere) is because I figure what am I if I stand up only for the ones we all agree on? And how do I defend unpopular stands (badly, as a rule) with people about Islam, Obama, socialism and whatever if I'm afraid to take them about other issues?

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:10:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reveridesagain, good points.

It is very, very, helpful to be aware of this stuff--and, no, it doesn't mean you must think all Moslems are jihadis, or you nutty Wiccan neighbor is a Nazi (that's always been a straw man kind've argument, anyway), but it helps to know that there is much strangeness amongst us, and it does motivate some people to do what they do.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:22:00 pm  
Blogger Damien said...

Revere Rides Again,

I agree, staying silent just because some of your beliefs are unpopular is never a good idea. Unpopular does not equal false. A majority can be wrong.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:24:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Ever try driving the Cross Bronx Expressway or the BQE back in the 80s-90s with an out-of-towner in the car? One guy actually asked why I didn't have a gun with me.


Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:06:00 pm  
Anonymous revereridesagain said...

I rang up that damn "Perks of a Wallflower" book dozens of times when I was working at Borders, and nobody ever said a word. I figure the parents never read it and the kids weren't letting on.

Borders has recently been flogging a sales gimmick called Make-Books in which salespeople have to carry around a couple of books picked out by the home office every month and try to sell them to every customer. I don't think PofBaW ever made the list but there were complaints by employees who found themselves selling novels about cancer to cancer patients and novels featuring rapes to rape survivors.

Sometimes I wonder if being in top management automatically causes selective insanity.

Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:54:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

@rra - That explains why I was assaulted by a headphone wearing Mitch Albom freak when I was looking for DOre Gold's new book

Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:40:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

I have a crush on Dore Gold


seriously though
I think he is adorable.

Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:46:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

You said: Sometimes I wonder if being in top management automatically causes selective insanity.

I say: Yes, I wonder that too.

I also wonder how it is that top Execs of major corporations have allowed themselves to be cowed into subservient positions by the very lawyers they've hired to help protect their companies.

Many Corporate Attorneys seem to become the de facto Executives as they tell horror stories to the Execs of what will happen if the Execs execute their own plans.

If I were in the Exec position with a major corporation, I'd tell the fucking attorney, "Don't tell me why it can't be done, tell me how it CAN be done."

Uh yes, this is a problem I've been dealing with lately, and yes, it is costing me money.

Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:52:00 pm  

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